How many of you fell for the STEM meme ? Be honest..

>>37352413
I didnt. I went to college under the assumption my dad was paying for it. I deliberately avoided any classes that souned remotely math-based. I majored in polisci, showed up to class, and that was about it.

Is STEM really oversaturated or something? I find that hard to believe

>>37352499
>Is STEM really oversaturated or something? I find that hard to believe
The STEM meme comes from the fact that complete losers take STEM in college thinking it's an automatic 100k/yr job (not everybody in STEM is a antisocial loser), but find out that being a lazy fuck who did the minimum and shitpost on /r9k/ and watched anime doesn't distinguish them against their peers who take all the jobs.

Then they get bitter saying "hurr I STEM where's my 6 figure job" despite being marginal at their field.

>>37352413
>STEM meme

only if you're a brainlet, its the point where pseudo intellectuals begin to get filtered out

t. successful person by their own work

>>37352413
Majored in math. Now working remotely as a programmer. Pretty comfy

>>37352549
Are you autistic? Do you think OP implied something else?

>>37352550
More or less. Honestly, I think STEM contains the only decent entry-level majors.

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>>37352413

>He doesn't know social skills+ connections are more important than you're shitty STEM degree

>>37352622
>not having all 3

Good luck getting a STEM job with a libarts degree no matter how many connections you have btw

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>>37352413
I did, went for engineering. But never finished cause the college i went to raise the tuition 2000+ dollars the next year
So now i'm just in debt working as a welder/production worker at a warehouse.
but getting 17/hour so i'm pretty happy gonna buy a house in a couple of months and i'm only 23
most of the people my age are barely paying for a apt and food.
Goes to show ya hard work can still help people with less fortunate beginnings.

KEEP FIGHTING
NEVER STOP

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>>37352688
>STEM job with a libarts degree
What are you even saying, that makes no sense.

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>>37352413

Anyone who assumes that just because they got a bachelor's in physics, chemistry, or even math means that they get an automatic 100k and a blowjob is in for a rude awakening.

That being said, STEM nowadays offers much better opportunities than the humanities.

t. Bachelor's degree, with a job in software making a high five-figure salary. Though granted this is with 4 years experience.

Went into CS but couldn't keep up with the work. Felt like I didn't belong there as I couldn't remember even the most basic stuff and had to keep reteaching myself things that were taught semesters ago. I was ashamed of being this way and so never connected with any of my classmates/lecturers in fear that they'd find out how dumb I really was. Don't know what I've wanted to do with my life since.

>>37352549
That's what normies do though. I literally did STEM because Math is my favorite subject and I want to learn more and understand more about it. I didn't do it for the job prospects. I literally have no idea what kind of jobs I can get with a math degree nor am I expecting to earn 6 figures. Honestly I have no idea what's in store for my future but I know that I will enjoy what I learn at college.

>>37352413
I did. Even though I graduated and got a job, my career if it can be called that didn't last even two years. I've been NEETing since 2014.

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>>37352549
>t. a bitter unemployed liberal arts major

>>37352732
>Anyone who assumes that just because they got a bachelor's in physics, chemistry, or even math means that they get an automatic 100k and a blowjob is in for a rude awakening

anyone who majors in math or physics isn't dumb enough to think what you said. the only people who talk about 100k starting are people on /sci/, and they only say it as a joke.

>>37352413
How's it a meme? You make more than other undergrad majors out of college on average. Obviously other majors can do just as well, like accounting if you become a CPA, or people that go on to work in certain areas of finance or become lawyers. STEM is just on average higher paying.

>>37353522
>t. STEM poorfag

>>37353522
>finance
also, some of the highest paid people working in finance are STEM grads working as quants for hedge funds.

definitely not a meme.

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retards only

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A question for the STEM failures did you do anything beyond going to classes?

Did you join any clubs, take any internships, creates any projects, go to any seminars related to your field? Have you done anything to show you are giving more effort than the masses?

>>37353101
You should go for a PhD.

>>37354031
Hi, physics graduate working as a quant here. I get paid about 150k base, plus another 50k as bonus.

Is medicine even STEM? Idk but I fell for that meme. I feel dumber each year.

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>>37352549
>but find out that being a lazy fuck who did the minimum and shitpost on /r9k/ and watched anime doesn't distinguish them against their peers who take all the jobs.

The thing you need to consider is that the sort of people who are able to distinguish themselves in a STEM subject, would have been successful in non-STEM subjects.

STEM in and of itself is pretty overrated. It's just that it tends to attract a lot of intelligent and driven people. These people tend to be successful in their careers. The apparent success of previous STEM graduates attracted a lot of people who frankly don't belong in STEM. As a result over 30% of engineering graduates are working jobs that don't require a college degree.

If you're near the top of your class, have a high IQ, have good social skills, have good connections, and managed to land an internship at a big four -- then you would have been successful even if you had chosen a different career path (law, business, trades, medicine).

>>37355264
>Is medicine even STEM?

If you're working with patients, no. If you're working in a lab developing treatment, tech, and procedures, then yes.

>>37355072
i mean its too late now isnt it
if you happen to spend all of your free time studying and the rest of it going to school or working minimum wage to pay it, that's it isn't it
then you get out and it's unsalvageable

>>37352413
>How many of you fell for the STEM meme ? Be honest..

My advice is to avoid college altogether unless you have almost a full ride scholarship or if you're attending an Ivy league tier school

College is a racket. It's basically a meat grinder designed to turn young naive chumps into debt slaves. The cost of a college education has gone up whereas the job prospects and the value of these degrees have gone down.

Who benefits from college?

-Corporations. Corporations used to train employees and not expect them to hit the ground running.
-College admins are making out like bandits. The average adjunct professor is making peanuts in salary. You could make more money flipping burgers than
-Politicians get to make their unemployment statistics look better. Imagine if everyone aged 17-22 was looking for a full time job.
-Banks are one of the biggest beneficiaries of this racket. These student loans are not dischargeable in bankruptcy and these financial institutions know they have a sucker for life.

Who doesn't benefit from college?
-Adjunct professors, or even full time professors don't make all that much money.
-The average kid with an average IQ attending a state school without a full scholarship
-Parents feel proud that their kids are attending college but often they end up being on the hook for these college loans when (surprise, surprise) their kids can't find a job after they graduate.

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>tfw buisness school

lol STEMlords, I spend all day with Tinder sluts while you are at home doing maths

>>37356470
Oh, you poor Burger, you don't have access to affordable education like the rest of the world. Your country is dying.

make 80 a year starting after this week
sign on bonus and eligible for 8-16% bonuses immediately, based on years working
I'll make just under 100k starting in a poverty state
made it

>>37352549
That's literally what I did and I'm doing pretty good now.

>>37352801
You would be surprise how dumb other people are but they aren't as self aware as you, so they end up being just fine.

>>37356601
?? what does that mean
iin my high school economics class tehy taught me that America is the lifeblood of the world economy and jesus loves us. thats why we won the war

>>37356689
Right now the EU/Eurozone has passed America as the world's largest economy. It's estimated that in about 50 years China will be the world's largest economy.

>>37356754
eurozone is really big though, you cant tell me france has the same values as germany just because they're close to each other

>>37355720
This is bullshit, you're probably an undergrad yet, everyone who is capable of finishing college has the required skills and can land pretty decent jobs that are impossible to do without a degree. Believe it or not grades aren't everything (even in a country like the USA with inflated as fuck GPAs) and is up to you what you do with your degree.

>>37356770
It's a loose union of countries, but it's an economic union too. In the end it's all academic, whether or not you want to consider Europe as a single zone and economy or not (it's both).

>>37356828
i believe the world economy is one zone

which is why im proud to be an american

>>37356854
where at least I know I'm free

>>37356854
Your country is fucking itself up though. There's no end in sight to your economic downward spiral.

>>37352702
>17/hr
wtf i hope you do alright, i worked my way through engineering with weekend shifts at a restaurant and averaged 30 an hour
i honestly couldn't even see myself working for less than 20 anymore

>>37356919
yea but are you free

>>37357087
Free to do what?

>free to be shot by police
>free to have browsing history sold
>free to be arrested for going to a prostitute

>>37356470
>join the Air Force

> they pay you to go to school

Woah problem solved!

>>37357399
Yeah taking advantage of the GI bill is a pretty good idea.

In that case you basically have a full scholarship.

>>37352549
not 100k, but I had a B+ average in school and managed to get a 60k salaried job in banking

>>37356812
>inflated GPAs
are there colleges that dont use a standard scale. I know some high schools have weighted as a way to incentivise harder classes, but i didnt think colleges do that bullshit.

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I make 60k streaming online but it's shared with my gf

We have a speedrunning channel

My other job is selling hunting equipment to rich people which rounds out to 50k a year, not bad for the small amount of time i put in

No college by the way

I fell for it thinking I would be making $100k per years. It wasn't after I got into my dream program did I realize how over saturated the job market is

>>37352615
Unless you're going to college to get the degree itself for a job that requires 'bachelors,' to educate yourself broadly, to have the college experience...
Not my cup of tea but I don't hate as long as he don't act like Einstein for going to college, even if it's Harvard I am just not impressed

>>37352732
Business (shady stuff included) offers the most opportunity since it is, by definition, the most economically efficient way to earn a living

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>>37352413
I almost did, since I want to work with technology, but I'm too retarded in the math department to make a living out of it. Now I'm just working on a different meme degree, but it still involves technology.

>go to college to get a job afterwards
I'm not interested in any of those jobs and all the ways to really get rich quick don't require any credentials, unless brass balls count
>but what about the college experience?!
It's beneath me (these are how my conversations go with college elitists)

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>mfw STEMtards will literally lose their jobs to pajeets halfway around the world

I fell for it thinking I'd be making 100k per year...and now I am :^)

>>37357606
Sounds like a dream come true.
I honestly would be happy with anything that would give me 1k a month that runs on minimum effort. I could live off that no problem.
How did you get started? Where should an Anon start if they want to start their own business?

>>37356519
>buisness school lol you learning how to be a boi? haha you misspelled business
have fun being a stay at home suburban mom shilling pyramid schemes to her neighbors only you will be wearing a suit and caring a briefcase.

I don't understand the "Stem meme" meme at all. There's literally nothing better than a STEM degree. There is no good alternative. The "wake up call" for STEM majors is just that the job market in general is garbage right now, but STEM is still the best degree for most good jobs. Notice how nobody making fun of STEM majors ever says that a liberal arts degree is much better, they're just neets that are mad people are trying this hard.

>be me
>18
>about to go for a 5 year masters in CompSci

I know it's a meme but I'm going for it anyway

i want to go for STEM but i have math anxiety !


does anyone have tips for a brainlet ?

>>37358229
study hard and go to office hours
do study groups if you can stomach it

>>37358308
i don't know what to major in, i thought software eng because i like programming but /g/ said that people become code monkey's when they major in it

>>37357399
But physical training is hard and its too hot in America.

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>>37352688

Well I'm a woman give me STEM job

>>37358701
is this b8 m8


originalio

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>>37352588

Do you like math though? Doesn't it kill your social life? Or is that why you're a robot in the first place?

>>37358409
If you like programming and are good at it, just do CS...code "monkeys" are well paid, respected, and have no dress code at work. I tried CS and found it really difficult.

>>37358701
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>>37357606
>My other job is selling hunting equipment to rich people which rounds out to 50k a year, not bad for the small amount of time i put in

Do you have a physical store? Doesn't it cost a lot to secure the place to prevent theft/robbery?

>>37355167
Sup quant bro

WTF are you doing on /r9k/?

>>37353101
Math is comfy but I fucking hate it. It doesn't make sense since I'm so good at it but have little to now interest in it. The only times I was interested was probability/statistics and differential eqs. Stats and probability is fun because humans are innately bad at it (see coin flip threads) and differential eqs is fun because everything in the real world deals with change.
I'm neet though, how about you?

>>37358998
The same as everyone else: shitposting and frog memes. Not everyone here is a basement-dwelling NEET virgin. You a quant too?

>>37359096
its cool to bully people. youre cool

>>37358036

>The "wake up call" for STEM majors is just that the job market in general is garbage right now
>they're just neets that are mad people are trying this hard.

No, I want people to try. I also want people to realize that college is a rent-seeking scam. People need to understand the full gravity of what they're getting into when they decide to go to college. I have a STEM degree btw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OReAF9qwMkY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuQrKfJj3hw

>>37357920
Sales is where the money is. My cousin is a sales rep for a software company and he makes $200k just because he's a Chad.
As an Engineer, I am only making $60k plus bonuses... that's with 5 years experience plus a M.S. degree. ;_;

>>37359311
I don't bully people. Unless you consider posting facts as bullying. Some people here get so easily triggered.

>>37360176
hey guys i'm not a bad person i just say things that are true, sucks that they can't handle it
> Not everyone here is a basement-dwelling NEET virgin
seriously i'm not bullying anyone! they should fix themselves or grow thicker skin. throw me the ball, richard

>>37357796
lol @ this

I'm in a STEM masters program that's 80% pajeets, 10% chinks, 10% whites

Half the Indians don't speak english and don't understand the lectures and the other half are just plain retarded (many of them get caught cheating too because they're so desperate)

I get pushed to the top of the curve in all of my classes and stand out because of this. I'm not worried about any of them stealing my jobs. The chinks, however, are actually pretty smart and can get passed the language barrier. Those are the ones I'm worried about.

>>37360095

Pharmaceutical sales reps often make as much if not more than most pharmacies, same for technical sales reps

>>37360546
>get passed
you can't even get past the language barrier idiot

>>37360546
cs grad detected. what shit uni you go to m8

>>37360884
>one minor typo
>can't speak English
You got me there buddy

>>37360895
Not CS. Not gonna say what school but it's a slightly above average state school in the Northeast

>>37360936
only other major with that type of demographic is computer engineering. this is based on my experience of course.

>>37361097
I'm doing industrial engineering

Is 80% scholarship @ UC Lots of Azns worth? Majoring in chem. e.

I didn't "fall" for the STEM meme. I chose the (STEM) major I did because I genuinely like it. I know that academia is a pipe dream, but I'm hedging my bets by career networking, etc. I don't think that having a STEM degree = 100k starting, but yes, graduates from my programs do make good money in a couple different areas.

I would feel sorry for the pre-med losers at my school if I didn't hold them in contempt. Studying anything purely for the money is repugnant, and usually very stupid.

I respect humanities and social science students. tfw no humanities boys want to date me

>>37352732
The engineering part is very interesting. My brother is a banker and many of his co-workers are engineers. There's lots of unique places for engineers outside of STEM that can be lucrative. I would never want to work in finance, though.

I did PolSci at Yale. Now I work as a corporate lobbyist on $137,000 p/a. I don't know anything about any aspect of STEM and I'll never need to. Fair enough to the people who do STEM though.

>>37362104
>lobbyist

So basically a paid shill?

>>37362005
Kind makes sense though, engineering degree are normally ranked as some of the toughest to get through. So you get the better students in those programs. Employers probably expect engineers to be more talented and skilled mentally than most other possible hires and could pick up new skills better. Sort of like athletes, the professionals are often athletically gifted enough to be able to try a different sport and still be really good at it.

>>37362173
Exactly that. The work is interesting and I get to meet Congressmen and Sachs directors every week. Plus the traveling is the icing on the cake.

Salary is really dependent upon where you live, 100k in Manhattan != 100k in Tulsa. There's a lot of recent grads making over 100k in SF, but they also are poor because living in SF is so absurdly expensive.

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>>37352413
I did STEM because it's the only thing that interested me. Besides math is the only thing I'm remotely good at it, though I do not really have the drive or talent for PhD work. I literally have no idea what I'll do once I finish this fall.

>>37352413
I didnt fall for it, I was just a depressed ugly sperg with no idea about what to do in life.

Sure I barely studied and did the bare minimum but it'd be the same no matter what I picked.

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>>37352413
>tfw being dumb saved me

>>37352549
The bullshit thing here is that is exactly what your teachers and parents will tell you: get a STEM degree and you will get a high paying job and everything will be fine.

Then when you tell them they've completely mislead you, they back out of any responsibility for your current shitty situation by saying "w-well you were the one who enrolled in the end! It's n-not my fault you believed the trusted authority figures we socialized and conditioned you into trusting for nearly two decades, and took the advice we would have punished you for not taking" instead of admitting they were just speaking out of their ass.

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>All these privileged normies having their parents pay out the ass for advanced babysitting

You can't be a robot if you went to post secondary education. There is just no way

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>>37352413
>signed up for exploratory stem type classes
>am retard
f-fuck. I only picked it because the listed major paths for the other options looked dumb.

>>37362220
You know what I actually envy you. I always wanted to work with really powerful people but am stuck pursuing a degree in lab tech.

>>37361915
Most gay dudes are in the nursing program.

>>37362374
I remember back when I used to think teachers knew what was going on in life, then I graduated high school and realized most were idiots who couldn't imagine a world outside of academia but they love to lecture anybody who will listen so they're more than happy to blow smoke up your ass

>>37362433
College is free in a lot of countries, probably the easiest path for a proto-robot.

>>37352549
So many people in STEM are not smart enough, lazy, or have no interest in the field other than money. Most usually drop it by junior year but they're aggravating as fuck to deal with in the mean time

>>37352413

naw information technology

no math
no stem meme
most people in it are bad at it

its great

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>hope to go to uni next year
>still no idea what I want to do

>consider IT
>"HAHAHA FULL OF PAJEETS!"
>consider politics or similar
>"HAHAHA UNEMPLOYED LIBERAL ARTS MAJOR!"
>don't even have an interest in STEM and hate math, but even if I did
>"HAHAHA STEM MEME!"

Granted I live in the UK where going to uni isn't as bad as people make it out to be in the US...

But for fuck's sake faggots, give me a straight fucking answer: which is guaranteed to earn me at least a living and not put me on a timer?

>>37364349
>still no idea what I want to do

Then don't go to college. Do something else. Unless you're 95% sure you know what you want to do, don't go to college. College is not a time for you to find yourself - maybe that was true in the 1980s or something.

Also, not everyone has to go to college. If you're still in high school check if there's an apprenticeship program available. Get some work experience under your belt and build up some cash.

>>37352688
You don't know how good connections can be

>>37352413

>Majored in mechanical engineering because I thought it was cool, not because it's a meme
>Did cool as shit projects in college that I genuinely enjoyed and I am proud of
>Graduated
>First job out of college: Bureaucrat for the power company. 60K starting. The job was not much more than answering phone calls and clicking the right boxes in the computer program.
>Quit that job to be a field engineer for a fracking company in North Dakota
>120K/year but working 80 hours per week. My job was to keep track of how much sand and chemicals we used and write reports. Got laid off when the long dick of Saudi Arabia reached me.
>Hired by an HVAC company before I could even get on unemployment. Now I draw ducts and pipes on the computer for 8 hours a day.

So I guess it's easy to get a job and live comfortably but they all kind of suck. I want to quit and do something else but I don't know what I want to do instead.

>>37352413
I'm currently in Information Systems and I fucking hate it, my GPA is barely above a 3.0, and my internship makes me want to fucking hang myself every day I go to work. Despite how my job pays ok and is retardedly easy, if I get a full time offer there is no way I would consider taking it.

Stem is a complete fucking joke. And by that, I'm not saying all stem majors. If you call yourself a STEM major but are afraid to reveal your actual major within STEM then ride the coattails of STEM then you're majoring in bullshit that won't get you anywhere. That one cocky retard in every thread trying hard to convince everyone he has a good life is like hurr durr I'm majoring in STEM. No, STEM isn't a major you fucking retard, it's a branch of disciplines. Just say your major. tldr; not all stem majors are marketable in the real world

Now, Engineering and CS is not a joke. Almost all the rest are with exceptions. I've kept up with people that graduated from high school and went to good colleges. One year later, they're all fucked except top tier engineers and CS majors, nursing majors, accounting majors or "ambitious" business majors. It seems like a lot of people are still interning one year later for whatever reason. I know that the salutatorian from my class when to UCSD for software engineering or something like that and he's still interning. Maybe the job market just sucks.

Isn't the best thing you can do a combination stem/social science degree? Sure seems like it.

>>37357667
What did you go for

>>37365595
the social science degree would be useless and make you graduate later, so no.

>>37362444
Usually colleges have help programs. Don't be a pussy, leave your room and go to the help centers.

>>37365621
>the social science degree would be useless

The only reason it's useless to some people is they're normies who only picked it because they didn't know what to do with their life.

You can't get a degree in poli sci and then immediately think you're going to be a legislator. You gotta start at the bottom

>>37365657
A degree in poli sci is useless as fuck because it's not marketable. No one wants to hire retard neets that major in poli sci. Unless you become a lawyer, in which case it was still useless because the law degree landed you jobs.
>because they didn't know what to do with their life.

people who know what to do with their life and study the humanities are still going to go unemployed unless they go to grad school. In which case, even with a PHD some social sciences are still useless and won't get you a job outside of academia.

>>37365829
>its not marketable

That only applies if you work for a corporation, dumbass.

>>37365846
Look up their unemployment rates you dumb fuck. Marketable means /in demand/ you absolute imbecile. They're not in demand because they're useless.

>>37366142
You speak very dogmatically.

Also, I'm not going to get a degree in something that bores the hell out of me and makes me unhappy because it's "marketable". I aint no slave.

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>>37352588
I'm also majoring in math but don't know what my focus should be (Applied,Stats,Actuary,Computational)
Please help me fellow robot. What was your focus?

Almost fell for the STEM meme. It really got me down at the time. I was gonna restart my A-levels and do STEM because of it. So fucking glad I didn't. Now I'm studying law at Cambridge.

If law isn't an undergrad degree in your country, the STEM meme has some legitimacy. Law is pretty much the only valuable non-STEM degree for getting a job.

>>37366189
Then don't get a degree at all, retard. That is if you have anything inside that empty skull of yours. I never asked you to get any degree kek.
>I aint no slave.
you will be a slave to debt soon since I know you're a retard. even if you have a full ride, you'll probably be unable to make car payments and rent when you're a real adult. or you'll be a worthless neet living with mom.

From countless observations anyone with experience will tell you that people who major in basket weaving garbage is fucked. However, I sincerely hope you ignore everyone's advice then cry about it in 4 years. No person below 20 that never had a taste of the real world should trust that they know best on everything. I don't care about your future though, I'm sure so many adults will warn you how stupid you are.

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>stem major
>family members in any field I want to go into locally
>all respected
>mfw dont have to grind for muh networking

>>37365481
>not all stem majors are marketable in the real world
This is absolutely true. Pure math is about as good for getting you a job as English. Biology too. They just don't have actual specific applications in jobs.

>>37366293
Only an absolute retard believes this. It's audacious for an undergrad student who never had a real job to think he has any opinion on the world. You've never practiced law.

accounting, nursing, finance (at a high ranked school with a good GPA and internships) are all good. Do you think guys working at Goldman Sachs have shit jobs?

>>37354060
colour photography was a mistake

>>37366243
Go actuary.

>>37365475
Information Systems is not STEM

>>37366412
Agreed. Biology can get you shit tier jobs in a lab. Math is just absolutely useless unless you double major in something like finance or CS and maybe you'd get an analyst job or whatnot. I've read countless stories on r9k about regretful math majors.

>>37366482
>accounting
That's STEM and borderline vocational
>nursing
That's vocational
>finance
That's STEM

>Do you think guys working at Goldman Sachs have shit jobs?
You do realise you can get into investment banking with literally any degree right? You just need *a degree* from a good university

And yes I do think they have shit jobs. 100 hour weeks are not uncommon. I would rather shoot myself.

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Gonna go back to college to study in a STEM field, need to know which one to do. Which BS is most valuable?

>>37366571
They are not stem at all. They are under business schools usually or a minor/concentration under economics. It's good that you met me in time before you blurted out that accounting is a STEM major in public, anyone would think you're mentally impaired.

>>37366516
Is this what you did?

>>37366630
>economics isn't science because Bill Nye doesn't have a show about it :^)

Please help me make the single most important decision of my life brobots:

Do I go for a BA in Applied Computing or BS in Computer Science?

I'm inclined to pursue the Applied Computing program since it's pretty much guaranteed admission and doesn't have the pre-req of Calc II or Calc III. Course-wise, it's identical to the Comp Sci degree except it's touted as being more practical, has less core classes, and more flexibility in electives. I should theoretically get the same learning out of it as someone going through the Comp Sci and Software Engineering program but I'm worried about employment prospects if I don't have a standard Comp Sci degree.

>>37366630
I suppose so. There's no doubt they're in a separate category than humanities though because they incorporate numbers.

>completely ignoring the rest of my post
Any humanities/social sciences kiddie who went to a good uni can get a job in IB

>>37352731
>good luck getting an X job with a Y qualification

Nigger clearly he is mocking them/you. Use more reading comprehension and less autism.

>>37366684
it's a social science. and like I said, mostly under business schools from what I've seen. which is definitely not a science, you buffoon.

now, no matter what you say, economics isn't STEM. but let's humor your stupidity and say it is. the concentrations of accounting or finance are still not STEM majors so your point is worthless.

>>37366699
Calc 2 and 3 is so fucking easy. They probably curve it for brainlets like you anyway.

I'm pretty sure a BA in Applied Computing isn't a real degree. Most BAs are not real degrees.

>employment prospects
this is the only thing that matters. when you send out applications, you're advertising yourself. you better be fucking sure all employers know what your degree means.

>>37366758
>it's a social science
>it's not a science

if you just tell me you're autistic now we'll save some time here

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>>37366809
YAMEROOOOO

THAT WASN'T THE ANSWER I WANTED TO HEAR

>>37366868
history isn't a science you retard fuck. Just because you're unemployed and fat doesn't make your degree useful.

>>37366243
Sorry, just got back to the thread.

Best bet right now is data scientist (Stats and Linear Algebra), Math major + coding skills will open plenty of doors. You don't have to math focused.

Learn how to program asap. Take several entry level classes or even minor in CS. I don't really use math anymore, but employers respect the degree.

>>37366883
just study computer science you retard. Or better yet ruin your life and post about it.

>>37366964
so that's a yes on the autism thing?
calm down, just because you're wrong doesn't mean that your scientist degree isn't any less special

>>37366533
>Biology can get you shit tier jobs in a lab. Math is just absolutely useless unless you double major in something like finance or CS

Add statistics and physics to this list too. You typically need a master's degree to get any value out of a statistics degree. I double majored in physics and statistics and I ended up working in a call center after graduating because the startup I interned had it's VC money pulled.

Luckily I scored in the 98th percentile on my GRE and I have a rock solid gpa so I should get into a competitive graduate program. I probably won't get into Stanford but I'll get in somewhere.

>>37367000
Let met tell a joke. A retard named (you) walks into a party and says "History is science." Every single person laughs at the ugly, fat neckbeard retard hysterically and then he goes home and faps to hentai in his mom's basement.

In his room, there is a framed toilet paper that says Bachelors of ARTS- History." He cries himself to sleep after putting out his 50th job application of the day. He mumbles "social sciences are sciences..." in his sleep.

>>37367116
kek my cousin did statistics at UC Irvine and could only get a teaching assistant job.

I realized physics wasn't marketable either. I wonder why physics majors don't just study engineering. Some cuckold physics professor probably misled them and ruined their life.

>>37367116
and I know a chick who studied physics at UC Berkeley. no job after 1 year. It's pretty fucking ridiculous that someone goes unemployed studying a STEM subjects at one of the best schools in the country.

>>37367181
> I wonder why physics majors don't just study engineering.

I think a big reason for this is that physics classes are offered in high school whereas engineering type classes are not. People tend to major in subjects that they have some familiarity with.

>>37367352
I'm sure that it's also partly due to adults lying to them and telling them that they're super flexible and can do anything they want with their degree.

The best advice anyone could ever give you is that your degree is worthless. It gives you an opportunity to reflect on your direction in life.

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>>37365249
that's what i'm afraid of. working my ass off for 5 years just so i can get a job staring at computer screens, picking up calls, etc. what the hell it the point? Being an engineer doesn't seem fun or fulfilling for most. 99% of jobs suck really, which is why i can't even make it through college without dropping out

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>>37366868
>social science
>a science

>>37367656
Yeah but even engineering isn't a sure bet.

For example, the guy in the beginning of this video has a mechanical engineering degree and he's trying to get a job at a retail outlet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uugCRJXQXW0

>>37368377
Yes, definitely not a sure bet. Guys who are legit smart and have great GPAs and interned will do well. Guys who are average are probably fucked.

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dropped out of Engineering
Wasted alot of my parents money and years
Going to become a mechanic now

>>37354060
I love this image. Redditors btfo

I read 315 pages of Asimov's chronology of science & discovery today
did I do good?

I did. Couldn't hack it and switched to business. I hate studying business. I feel like my calling is in the humanities, but I've now locked myself out of ever being able to study them.

>>37370059
when i'm done, what should I read?

i attribute the hubris that physics is better than chemistry, or that u can do one without the other, or that u can be productive without geology & astronomy to Atlas Shrugged

Someone help. My major is compsci and I hate it. I'm considering switching but I don't know what to switch it to. Is chemistry any good? My backup is to dropout and just go to a trade school.

>>37370145
I mean, I talked to this dumbass the other day about materials that when put under current release flames, and he was like "that's chemistry, i'm a physicist" & I think I talked to a chemist about some "physics" and he's like, b-but muh chemistry

>>37370172
u can go five ways in ste: architect, engineer, physical scientist, doctor, or vet
each is productive
u gotta do the trades too if u wanna become an architect

>>37370172
>Is chemistry any good?

If you would love working in a lab making $12/hr, then sure

>>37370192
o ya, botany too

>>37370218
i'm no scientist, and I won't b, but i'mma change shit so scientists make the biggest bux, they b the prime movers along wit engineers, in our time, they're the same

>>37370192
Elaborate? Too shit at math for architect and engineer, too lazy for vet and doctor.
With a chemistry degree could I get a decent job making chemicals in a lab or something?

It boggles my mind how so many people fail to see that their failure to network and have or make connections is the problem.

>>37370242
but chemistry isn't an integrated idea, if you run into something that's physics from your work, what are you going to do--trust someone else? you gotta do chemistry, geology, physics, and astronomy to be productive; to know what can be done, and how economically;with one eye to the future

I fell for the STEM meme hard
Can't even get a reply for a summer internship in my third year, I can only imagine how getting a job will go.

>>37370280
what did u study?

>>37370297
Mechanical Engineering
originalalndnd

>>37370242
all u gotta do is learn how to do integration and derivation and how to combine them; you need this for everything, chem included, you need to make models as a chemist, not just mix and burn shit
>>37370308
rent a truck and bus drive this summer, if it breaks down use a tool set u buy

>>37370275
Anyone else want to take a Crack at deciphering this guy's point

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>>37367127
>A retard walks into a party and says "History is science." Every single person laughs at the ugly, fat neckbeard retard hysterically
Fucking bourgeois scum

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>>37370342
>be well-rounded intellectually so you can do things and be more productive

I tried

>>37370410
that was my point, have some confidence man, u comprehended

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>don't fall for STEM meme
>comfy humanities major
>super easy coursework
>graduate with honors
>be a NEET for a couple years
>blame economy + shit degree, family don't rush me to find work
>end up getting a STEM job due to high school connection despite no applicable education or experience
I love nepotism

the reason science should be learned in school is it's potentially dangerous
if someone's done it before, they can watch out for the pitfalls of nature
obviously scientists take the biggest risk, they NEED TO BE REWARDED THE LARGEST

>>37370478
so the payscale should be pure science do-ers make more $ than engineers, who should test their products themselves (where applicable)

>>37370555
also, prescribers of psychological medicines should be, in their training, required to take all the medicines they plan to prescribe, but this shouldn't be required of non-psychiatric medical students

>>37370600
>also, prescribers of psychological medicines should be, in their training, required to take all the medicines they plan to prescribe
This is the most retarded thing I've read all day

>>37370478
Um, no you moron. Engineers make more because they are in demand. People need them. The economy values engineers.

>>37370635
why? some have unbearable side effects, it would destroy the (fake) mental health industry

>>37370652
what are u gonna engineer with no science? did u even read what I said?

STEM and some business courses are the only degrees worth getting in uni. Not all of them pan out, but they're still universally better than whatever Arts can offer.

>>37370694
not all stem degrees are in demand. Some won't get you far in life.

>>37370715
No shit, I mentioned that in my post. But even the shit low demand degrees still offer more practical information (and a greater chance of getting a job) compared to arts.

the name industrial engineering is a refrence to a bullshit engineering degree, "industrial engineering" should be engineering physics+applied chemistry

Is it possible for an accountant to ever make the big buck? Would it do any good to minor in Computer Science or is it just irrelevant in an employer's eyes in the real world?

whats the difference between applied and engineering

>>37370779
Only if you start your own extremely innovative accountancy business. What that would be exactly I don't know, but you'd need mass marketing and something to make all middle class family types want to hire you or your business

>>37352688
My lacrosse coach majored in english and is now an investment banker for Vanguard. Anything can happen if you know who to talk to.

>>37370779
do a lot of science reading and work for a startup

>>37370786
It depends on what you mean by applied. Sometimes applied means it's less rigorous than pure, but more theoretical than engineering. Other times it means it's dumbed down and unmarketable, for people who were too shit to get into a "real" science program.

>>37370779
accountants make good money imo

>>37370885
"good money" isn't "the big buck"

for some of us i feel like trying for a STEM degree is not worth the time since its to difficult so better to just aim low for a liberal art degree at a university that has open admission just to get a 4 year and get it over with

>>37370961
But you're literally just wasting 4 years of your life and $20000. Learn a trade, or just start working your way up the ranks for some company

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>Going to college and slaving at a job for Mr.Shekelstein
>Not making six figures off of Twitch

You all fell for the meme

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>>37371032
>not making five figures every week from btc

You all fell for the nocoiner meme

>>37371050
>make five figures one week
>lose five figures the next week
How does it feel to be a degenerate gambler?

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>going for an absolutely useless degree
>not smart enough to do anything else
Might just end it eventually

>>37371110
>being born retarded

Someone doesn't know how to ride the waves

>>37352413

Yep.
>BSc in Chemistry
>Masters in Chem. Eng.
>33k in debt that is indexed to inflation (probably around 37k now)
>Got masters in 2013
>Been unemployed since
>Will probably kill myself at the end of the year

>>37371050
>tfw lost a drive in 2010 with 20 dollars worth of bitcoin in it
j u s t

>>37371159
how is your life so fucked up? you have a master's in engineering so how did things go wrong?

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>>37371113

tfw Humanities because I can't do math or science, and all I can do is write well

>tfw will have to intern here and everywhere and slave for connections for a job with zero security

>>37371169

When I graduated, the job market for engineers went completely to shit. People were being laid off in huge numbers, and the market was already over-saturated with new graduates. It also doesn't help that I'm a white male and all the major firms here have embraced the diversity meme. A former boss of my dad straight up told me that if I wanted a guaranteed job, I should get a sex change

I wish I knew about the Stem meme five years ago.
Everybody was saying that physics is an automatic job straight out of school and now that I am almost done with my masters I see how unrealistic it is.
I don't even qualify for an internship because every course I had outside of physics like electronics, programming or machine learning was very introductory and not in depth enough to be marketable.
Should have kms probably.

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>>37371213
Music here. We're all gonna make it. Without art life wouldn't be worth living.

>>37371428

But I just want a job that's more than 30k in a city music anon

>>37371451
It comes with the territory. Unless you still hold on to dreams of making it big, we must be prepared to be a 'starving artist'

>>37371428
You don't have to major in music to make it as a musician though. How much music theory do you really need to make a catchy indi rock or electronic song?
You should get some job and do music in your spare time.

>>37371605
>catchy indi roxk or electronic song
That's not what I write

>>37371784
There is no modern music that's hard to write. And if you're writing classical pieces, you'll never be commercially successful

Is computer science considererd STEM?
Then why would that be a meme? Second semester and already got two job offers around 50k.

>>37352413
I did, and I'm very happy about it. I really love programming now, and wouldn't have started without the shilling on 4chan.
Also I get to feel like a 9/10 all the time because there are literally no other girls.

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>>37371945
>Is computer science considered STEM?
Yes

>Then why would that be a meme?
because lots of people are doing it, some do it for "muh videogames" and it's easier than engineering/ the hard sciences. There is also a good chance you will train a pajeet right before he takes your job

you can also teach yourself how to program anyways by reading a few books + practice. why major in it?

>>37352413

Wouldn't say I fell for the meme. I would say that I am a part of it though.

Went for CS almost at random as my choice for a degree after giving up on previous interests, and haven't liked it since. Which has led me to not giving a shit. But not knowing what to do instead has I guess.. scared me into sticking with it, so now I am about 6 classes away from graduating with a shit gpa and no related work experience.

So now I battle the stress and fear of graduating with a pointless degree that won't help me get a job.

If I could go back I'd of probably joined the military. Uncle is about to retire comfy in his late 30s.