>there are amerifats this classcucked

>>37298880
>says all that
>most likely lives off welfare

>>37298918
Most definitely lives off welfare

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>>37298970
>>37298918
Have another classcuck, theres plenty

>>37298880
>family
>free daycare
>ex-husband
>alimony
>child support
>definitely has food stamps and WIC

>>37298880
>26
>3 children
>ex-husband
I've never wanted to unironically REEEE so much in my life

>>37299530
maybe if you had a strong community you could rely on for assistance you wouldn't be so dependent on the government's social welfare programs

think on that for a while, then for the love of god clean your room up

>>37298880
hope she makes her children work hard for every scrap of food she feeds them

>single mother
I stopped reading there. I don't give a shit about this bait thread

>be poor
>have multiple children
>wahhh, why am I so poor
Wew.

>>37298880
>I work hard so all the support I get from the government doesn't count
Classic conservitard logic.

>>37298880
>26
>needing to study 40 hours a week

She was almost certainly slacking in her earlier years then.

>>37298880
>making excuses for not leaving your children anything
>children will therefore face even more difficult financial burden and class struggle
>children will most likely eat her credit card debt after she dies anyways

boomers 2.0
how much do you think it's this home wrecker that cause the divorce?

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>>37298880
>I couldn't dream of blaming anyone for the decisions that I.....
>.....and my ex husband made.
What the fuck, she's literally putting the blame on another person when she's talking about taking responsibility rrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>37298880
>>37299033
/leftypol/ your shitty classcuck meme doesn't work

>>37299728
>did you even read my post? i'm REEEing at the fact this roastie has been married and had a family while being younger than some robots

>>37299033

how'd they pay for school?

how much less did they pay in 96 than someone would have to in 2017 (or even 2008 for the sake of argument) for a similar level of education?

how much easier was it to grab that job in 2000 than it was in 2008 during a huge fucking recession?

>>37300290
Unless she got raped, the two of them had sex with the understanding that they may end up with a kid, three different times

How is she "classcucked"?

>She has a job which apparently allows her to afford to provide for her family, and can get government assistance to help with the rest.
>She is able to study.
>If she had made a better choice of partner they'd be living quite comfortably.

Fuck off commie.
All your "classcuck" meme did was remind me about how you are trying to destroy the family unit.

What is a "classcuck" and why does OP hate them?

>>37301547
>All your "classcuck" meme did was remind me about how you are trying to destroy the family unit.
classcuckery drives apart the family unit by putting families in impossible situations involving decisions over education, healthcare and employment

>>37299962
I think when she means "studied" she means going to her classes. Maybe you were slacking in your younger years too :^)

>>37298880
>I am a 26 year old single mother of 3
Didn't even bother reading past that

>>37298880
Wonder what she studied...

>>37299033
But he's completely right.

>>37299033
Whiny entitled millennials BTFO

it's funny how everyone, no matter who, thinks they worked so hard for everything they have, that their decisions were unique and meaningful, and that anything bad that happens to them was an unavoidable coincidence and anything bad that happened to anyone else was their own fault

and by funny I mean tragic

I feel like vomiting now.

>>37298880

Weirdly self-aware for a single mom. Usually they act like martyrs and try to make you feel sorry for them.

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I got a lucrative media job with a fucking Communication degree.

College is a huge waste of time for you, though. If you're not a chicken-sexer or underwater welder you deserve to live in poverty.

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>>37298880
It's even better when they allow themselves to be talked through the motions by a communications major who earned most of his money in theatre.

>>37303157
>>37303158
mikemind

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>>37303168
Hot damn, I just can't stand Mike Rowe.

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>>37300538
Doesn't it?
This guy is clearly angry that people are living at least semi-comfortably without having to work,so he posts that message.
But in the end people are just going to do whatever is best/easiest for themselves,no matter how parasitic.
It's the futility of the message that brands him a cuck I think.
also I definitely think he's lying

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Working 70 hours a week with no vacation or health insurance is the American dream, lol!

>>37301415
>how much easier was it to grab that job in 2000 than it was in 2008 during a huge fucking recession?

Along lines, DAE just hate Boomers complaining about age discrimination, being laid off, etc? Srsly just fuck off and die. I don't feel sorry for you if you didn't amass a war chest and make tons of connections in the 80's and 90's.

Those pics are funny because the only thing American Job Companies see them as now is just another disposable worker who they can exploit and push to the edge to see how much money they can make from their "hard work".
Bet those would be the same people setting up a gofund me campaign if they or a loved one gets sick with a story about how they work 60 hours a week.

>>37303226
Jesus, Americans are truly cucked

>>37303157
>>37303158
>the classcucked pledge

never fails to make me REEEEEEEE

>>37303226
>60-70 hours a week for 8 years to get through college
What the fuck? You could pay for several PhD's with that kind of money.

>>37303226
How does that even work? I work in a bakery in America and even that has employee health care . I drink lattes and eat cake almost the whole shift for 15 an hour . Which would have been plenty for a modest existence if I wasn't born to money

>>37303351
Factor in costs of living, healthcare costs and inflated insurance cost for everything.

>>37299728
isnt welfare just the community thing extended to a nation helping out, instead of a village or whatever helping out its own

>>37303226
Wow I don't know if I should laugh or be sad. Either way fuck this country has some serious problems

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This is essentially nietzschean slave morality at full display.
"we better then dem rich folk cuz we work hard"

>>37303420
Community assistance is voluntary while welfare is not. It's little more than a mugging with the government as the weapon .

You're right OP we need socialism, national socialism

>>37303420

I'm not that anon, but when you have a community helping one of their own, there's actually choice and accountability involved. There's some basic morality and expectation of improvement. IE, a small community wouldn't band together to help a rapist or NEET who spends money on stripper and video games.

European welfare is so bad they have suburbs full of people who hate the natives pretending they're still in their old countries.

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>>37298880
26 and already 3 kids uoouu

>>37303489
the funny thing is everyone who follows these beliefs also secretly believes they will one day be rich, which is why they defend the rich at every opportunity

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>>37303532
Blood and soil

>>37303583

This is how society should be structured. It's not natural to have kids at 38.

>>37303489
Actually the people in those pictures are saying that the Occupy Wallstreet protestors are a bunch of whining lazy-ass NEETs who need to get jobs

>>37303642

Which is entirely true of course. Some dude with a family trying to support their family doesn't want to get caught up in protests/arrested and can't just pitch a tent and live in a park for 3 weeks.

>>37302987
Point is she's 26 and still studying full time.

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>>37303642
slave on slave violence

The rich don't value hard work and struggling - they know it's a meme. It is a slave mindset. And no slave dare to want to be a master - the other slaves will prevent him.
"What, you want to live like a king, too, to enjoy life without having to work, like the rich? Stop being so entitled, nothing in life is free!"

Ive met Mike Rowe when I was on his show, hes a nice dude. Reminded me if my dad.

>>37303903
What dirty job did you have?

>>37303908
Worked at a cricket farm. Still have the shirt from it somewhere.
My mom got mike to sign a shirt

>>37303592
Nope, they seem to actually like their slavery - the middle class - else they would try to escape it, not glorify it.

When will poor people that break the cycle learn that they are the exception, not the norm???

>>37303420
>isnt welfare just the community thing extended to a nation helping out, instead of a village or whatever helping out its own
you have grasped the concept of civilazation. Very good!

>>37303991
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3aQRj_-HYM
Which one is you?

>>37303253
Luckily the boomers just voted to kill themselves with this healthcare reform so we won't have to deal with them for long

>>37298918
Are you saying that's unjustified? Her husband left her for whatever reason and she went to school and is improving herself while working. If she doesn't deserve welfare to support her 2 kids then who does?

>>37304407
He's saying that the message is flawed because she did not have to work hard to get welfare or financial aid for college. Her family is not the only support she has, she has the government. The whole 99% movement that she is trying to mock wants to remove tax breaks for the rich so that the programs that she used can remain there for others.

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>>37300290
??? You think THE MOM AND ONLY THE MOM SHOULD TAKE 100% RESPONSIBILITY FOR EVERYTHIGN THAT HAPPENED IN A DUAL RELATIONSHIP?

Christ man people split up, it's not entirely one person's fault.

>>37299911
The entire stated purpose of welfare is to help people through hard times while they improve themselves, so they don't need to rely on it in the future. She is going through a particularly rough spot in her life by going to school while working and supporting kids, so she needs welfare. But after she gets an education she presumably won't need welfare anymore. That's entirely justified. She is using welfare for its intended purpose. By the way, both Democraps and Repooplicans would tell you that the purpose of welfare is to help you temporarily while you get job skills or training that makes you self-reliant. It's not a "conservitard" issue.

>>37299530
When did you want her to have kids? When she is 35? 26 is a normal time to be having kids.

Jesus christ /r9k/ you fucking hate women so much. You're putting hatred where it's not justified. Why don't you save your hate for pic related

>>37302969
And what is your solution to this problem?

>>37303158
>>37298880
>>37299033
Explain your gay buzzwords or go away. You have no logic as usual, commie.

>>37304257
I might have been in the background, but they had us part timers sit in the back while they filmed. Worked with all the old fellas tho.
I mostly cleaned cricket shit off their water bowls and moved crates of them between warehouses and the main buildings. Plus sweeping dead crickets and killing spiders by hand with a rag.
I only got the job because Clay Ghann was my dads best friend.

>>37301415
>how much less did they pay in 96 than someone would have to in 2017
Somewhat valid point, which is why working hard and being successful in today's world does not always involve college education. You can get job training for other jobs and climb the ladder in that way. More people need to be taught that it's a valid career path to put in good hours at some kind of low level job in a field that has room for growth (such as healthcare), and after 2 years of good work you can argue effectively that your employer putting you through school has many benefits for him. This can get you through school debt free. For just one example, you can work as an UAP for a hospital floor for 2 years and then tell your employer about your intent to go further with your education. He will probably respond well, if you have been a good employee.

>how much easier was it to grab that job in 2000 than it was in 2008 during a huge fucking recession?
Cherry picking is not a valid argument. Picking one time in recent history that was bad for everyone does not strengthen your argument. Everyone was having a hard time getting jobs, even educated people. This is a poor argument.

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>Born into bottom 5 percent of wealth
>At least top 1 percent of wealth for age at 19

Poor people deserve it

>>37304666
>Poor people deserve it
yeah that's what satan says
now fuck off

>>37304491
But the current level of welfare was sufficient for her to get through college and become self sufficient, and she had 3 kids. The top 1% already pays the vast majority of all taxes in the country so I see no point in punishing them even more. That just gives them more incentive to move their money off shore, or leave entirely so that we never see that money. Then we're left with nothing.

Once again, the Left has a problem with practical implementation of ideas. You are all obsessed with idealism and don't care or think about the implementation or the realism of your goals. Everything you say sounds nice in theory but when you start implementing it, it falls apart completely.

>>37304697
They literally do though

Most of them will say they're struggling for cash while owning the latest gorillion dollar phone or going to starbucks everyday. You can't complain about being poor if you waste money on dumb shit

>>37303592
>>37304008
What the fuck is your worldview? That every single person on the earth should be a mega millionaire? That isn't even fucking possible.

Leftist commie fucks like you always fucking WHINE and then fail to talk about REAL WORLD SOLUTIONS.

WHAT IS YOUR REAL WORLD SOLUTION YOU STUPID FUCK?

>>37304407
>If she doesn't deserve welfare to support her 2 kids then who does?
No one.
Just dpn't have kids you can't support.
If you do, bear the burden yourself.

>>37304734
>They literally do though
nope

>Most of them will say they're struggling for cash while owning the latest gorillion dollar phone or going to starbucks everyday. You can't complain about being poor if you waste money on dumb shit
stop it with the excuses you piece of shit

>>37304008
>Middle class
>slavery

Please fuck off.

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>>37298880
>entire thread is liberals using buzzwords, generalizations, and character attacks while using no logic
>some conservatives in the thread pointing out logic and realism, go unanswered

Wow Jordan Peterson was right. Commies hate direct speech. All they've got are "LOL YOU ARE WEALTHIER THAN 80% OF AMERICANS AND HAVE 3 BEAUTIFUL KIDS AND AN EDUCATION THAT YOU EARNED?? HAHAHAHA 'CLASSKEKED' LOL!!!!!!!" without even explaining what they mean, why that's bad, or how to improve that as a society. It's all just "ME GOOD, CONSERVAKEK BAD"

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>>37304770
Spend money on stupid shit and you deserve to be poor.

If you defend going to starbucks everyday and wondering why you're broke your a retarded normie.

>stop it with the excuses you piece of shit

Lol I was born poor and now I could (only just) buy a porsche brand new if I wanted to (it would be a really stupid thing to do though).

My brother who had the exact same chances has about $100 to his name.

No excuses

>>37304008
Yeah middle class is such slavery what with its mandatory overtime pay, accumulating paid vacations, affordable health insurance that ignores pre-existing conditions, dental care, and multitude of workers' rights.

What an "enslaved class," bunch of sheep.

>>37303226
>Former marine
>Had to pay for college instead of using the GI bill
Something is bullshitty about this guy

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>>37304747
Not a commie. Just analyzing these peoples delusion. Hard work and struggle are objectively undesirable, only slaves consider them virtuous.

>>37304808
>Spend money on stupid shit and you deserve to be poor.
strawman
>If you defend going to starbucks everyday and wondering why you're broke your a retarded normie.
strawman
>Lol I was born poor and now I could (only just) buy a porsche brand new if I wanted to (it would be a really stupid thing to do though).
>My brother who had the exact same chances has about $100 to his name.
>No excuses

>I am the exception, why doesn't everyone else have my luck?
or: good for you now fuck off you piece of shit for not giving money to your family
How difficult was it to win the lottery?

>>37304759
>Just dpn't have kids you can't support.
Ok well we live in world where unforseen consequences happen. It's possible that you yourself will settle down with a woman one day and find it's time to have children. Something unforeseen may happen, such as a car accident that kills your partner, a horrible medical condition that costs thousands of dollars and leaves one of you disabled, or simply the relationship doesn't work out the way you want it to (she cheats on you or gains 300 lbs). Then where would you be? At the time you had kids, you were being totally responsible, but something came up that you couldn't predict. Your opinion is "oh well, I should just fucking suffer and live in poverty and have unfed, unclothed kids for the rest of my life because I chose this burden so it's fine." Really? Is that what you believe? You're bitter as fuck.

Even conservatives are fine with welfare as long as it's short-term and the person going through rough times is doing something to become independent.

>>37304785
>>37304813
People that will have to work all their lives, paying for useless shit in order to make it in the rat race and so on.
The slavery is self imposed, it is a mindset. But, yes - they are the slave class, even NEETs have more freedom than them.

>>37304790
This is obvious, you don't need a youtube nuphilosopher to tell you.

>>37304850
>Hard work and struggle are objectively undesirable
Actually modern psychology proves you 100% scientifically wrong. Watch Jonathon Haidt's lectures on anti-fragility. People not only enjoy some level of hardship in their life, they absolutely need it on a fundamental level.

[Side comment: Everything you're saying is a rationalization for being a loser NEET. You don't have a job, you don't have any successes or responsibilities in life. You're just a loser, and this is how you justify it: "oh well everyone who works more than me and has actual purpose in their life is just delusional"]

>>37303226
>millions of people live below the poverty line
>meanwhile in wall street some jew banker is raking in millions of dollars without lifting his feel off the table
>people spend their whole lives paying of dept for college, house, health care bills etc etc
>work hard lol
These people are getting fucked in the ass and they're asking how much should bend over. Feels good not to be an amerifat and share a country with these retards

>>37304790
>>37304894
Postmodernist philosophy, which is a core of Marxist thinking, explicitly rejects reality, facts, and logic. That is the core of their belief. Postmodernists believe that Reality is flawed and their own Inner "Reality" is a superior substitution for it. They will never tell you that outright because it shows how weak their ideology is, but that is what they truly believe.

>>37304959
>but that is what they truly believe.
you fail the ideological turing test, now go do your homework

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>>37304865
>If you defend going to starbucks everyday and wondering why you're broke your a retarded normie.
>Spend money on stupid shit and you deserve to be poor.
>strawman

If they don't do that they're innocent, but most do.

Any of the following immediately take away any excuses.

smoking (acceptable if you're trying to quit I guess), iphones, macs instead of something cheaper, starbucks, overpriced food from a convenience store, lottery tickets, scratchcards, gambling

>luck
I did not do anything that the average person couldn't do

>fuck off you piece of shit for not giving money to your family

This happened a few days ago.
>brothers phone really on the edge of breaking and he needs a new one
>ask him what he's thinking of getting
>samsung s8 ($800)
>call him retarded since he can't afford it and recommend him a $100 chinkphone (which I use myself)
>hurrrr durrrr muh brands
>literally went and got a loan for a phone because he wanted to keep up with normietrends

If you're telling me he doesn't deserve to be poor you're delusional. I'm not giving money to someone who will piss it away.

>>37304922
I am not a commie, you fuck. I am working towards a good career. Not because I want to be in the middle class but because I wan't to escape it. But I'd rather be a neet than a overworked 50 year old with a middle income.
What you're talking about isn't what I mean. Sure, we need at least some kind of struggle to function but that has nothing to do with "le hard work" as these slaves percieve it. Being a multi millionaire is objectively more desirable than being a poorfag.
You're rationalizing how your middle class aspirations of being a meaningless worker bee for the rich aren't a fucking joke.

>>37304880
>Something unforeseen may happen, such as a car accident that kills your partner, a horrible medical condition that costs thousands of dollars and leaves one of you disabled

I have no problem helping people suffering from those circunstances.
Thats why we go out of hour way to make disabled people included and to allow them to be functional into society.

>>37304880
>or simply the relationship doesn't work out the way you want it to (she cheats on you or gains 300 lbs). Then where would you be?
She made a concientious choice, if she chose poorly thats on her.
She is not entitled to my solidarity nor my money for not thinking objectivelly a about her decisions.

>." Really? Is that what you believe? You're bitter as fuck.
Yes. The key point here is that she made a conscientios choice. If people wanna give her money as an act of charity thats one thing. But stealing from people to give to her is wrong.You are enabling a parasite.

>>37304882
>People that will have to work all their lives
What kind of world do you want to live in? A world where nobody produces anything and we all just sit around doing nothing all day? This is not a real-world solution or opinion. It's just fantasy. We live in a world where we need to produce things to live, that's just a fact.

>paying for useless shit in order to make it in the rat race and so on.
That's just consumerist mentality and it is a personal choice. I make $80,000/year and I don't buy excessive "useless shit." I'm happy and can do whatever I want in life.

>they are the slave class, even NEETs have more freedom than them.
Ok dude, I just flew to Italy for 2 weeks with comfortable funds, have a cat that loves me, a girlfriend who supports me, and I can go out any night of the week to talk to people and have fun. Keep telling yourself that a person who earns an income of $0.00 has more options and freedoms in life than me just because he has an extra 36 hours in his week to jack off.

>>37299530
Before getting with my mom, my dad left his ex girlfriend with 2 children because she allegedly drank during the first pregnancy and wouldn't listen to his advice, I have no idea how or why he got her pregnant again because when he told this story he was sobbing and I didn't want to upset him further.

Always stuck by me, my brother and his actual wife(my mom) but point is that sometimes the guy just leaves. I don't think my dad is justified at all, he knocked up a woman and shirked responsibility, it's his fault he did it to a dumb one.

I don't have anything meaningful to say, so I thought that if I wrote something on a piece of paper and took a picture of myself holding it up to a camera people would pay attention to me.

>>37305015
>She made a concientious choice, if she chose poorly thats on her.
>She is not entitled to my solidarity nor my money for not thinking objectivelly a about her decisions.
...What? The point is you're stuck with the kids and no partner to support them, and how you would deal with that. That's why I said welfare would be good for you because you got blind-sided by misfortune that you couldn't control. You somehow took that in the opposite direction and autistically ranted about women cheating and poor decisions. That's not even relevant to my point.

>stealing from people to give to her is wrong.You are enabling a parasite.
It's not stealing when the entire point of the money you're giving her is so that she can go to school and stop leeching the system, and one day make a shit load of money that she pays into the system, and create 3 kids who do the same, who are all contributing more to the system than they are taking out. It's a net benefit for you, not her.

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>>37304882
>NEETs have more freedom

"hey dude want to go get a burger?"
"sorry I can't because my mom only gave me $50 this month and I have to save it"

So NEET. So Free. So Beautiful.

>>37305016
Dude, you aren't the kind of person I was attacking.
Obviously shit has to be produced, but from an individualist perspective this isn't meaningful - it will be produced regardless of the individuals decision.
I am attacking the slave mindset of those people - not only are they unfree, they're celebrating it.
This obviously isn't you, but the average overworked employee that prides himself on his hard work - and that person is more unfree than a NEET.
The middle class is more than an income bracket.

>>37304987
>If they don't do that they're innocent, but most do.
>Any of the following immediately take away any excuses.
you want me to debate these things, but you fail, because that's not how it works.
You got lucky and now go around judging people less lucky than you. Fuck you.
>I did not do anything that the average person couldn't do
The average person? Is the average person poor? You did whatever you did and got lucky.

>If you're telling me he doesn't deserve to be poor you're delusional.
I am telling you exactly that while not being delusional.

>>37304973
How did >>37304959 fail the ideological turing test? He is pointing out errors in their thinking not their self-avowed beliefs.

>>37305093
You have a wrong definition of NEET.

>>37305005
>we need at least some kind of struggle to function but that has nothing to do with "le hard work" as these slaves percieve it.
Uh yeah we do. That is entirely the point. Human psychology realizes that we as individuals are weak, lowly, and prone to death. Hard work, which you call a "meme," is the person's way of exerting mastery over the world and measuring personal growth. It's an esteem building ritual.

>Being a multi millionaire is objectively more desirable than being a poorfag.
You're rationalizing how your middle class aspirations of being a meaningless worker bee for the rich aren't a fucking joke.
What? You're now talking about a completely different thing.
Nobody here is saying they'd prefer to be in the middle class over the upper class, idiot. It's impossible for most people to ever get there, though. What's your point??? That being not-the-best is lamer than being the best? Well great job lad I'm gonna give you a fucking cookie for how smart you are.

>>37305060
>That's why I said welfare would be good for you because you got blind-sided by misfortune that you couldn't control. You somehow took that in the opposite direction and autistically ranted about women cheating and poor decisions.
No i specifically said that i'm fine with people who had an accident or are disabled bering in welfare.

i never mentioned cheating by the way

But if she chose a guy who would later leave, thats on her. Thats like me saying i should be on welfare because i decided to take improv classes instead of getting an actual degree.

>It's not stealing when the entire point of the money you're giving her is so that she can go to school and stop leeching the system, and one day make a shit load of money that she pays into the system, and create 3 kids who do the same, who are all contributing more to the system than they are taking out. It's a net benefit for you, not her.

How is that anyone's fault other than hers??
Was she raped and forced to keep and raise the kids?? Was she forced to marry this guy??
No.

>It's not stealing when the entire point of the money you're giving her is so that she can go to school and stop leeching the system, and one day make a shit load of money that she pays into the system, and create 3 kids who do the same, who are all contributing more to the system than they are taking out. It's a net benefit for you, not her.

So you are ok with me grabbing money from you as long as i use it for school. Why don't you try that and see what happens.

>>37305133
Oh yeah sorry, a true NEET doesn't have a mom to give him money so I should change it to "Sorry dude I have $0.00 and am homeless so I can't"

>mfw all normie wage slaves try to 1 up each other
>"yeah well I work 70 hours a week!"
>"I work 60 hours a week for no pay and I haven't had a vacation in 3 years!"
>they take pride in wasting their lives at garbage menial labor jobs

>>37305105
>You got lucky and now go around judging people less lucky than you. Fuck you.
Let me explain it honey. I did not get lucky. It's a mix of wagecucking, being exceptionally careful not to waste money and maximising any possible chances you get to earn money. ANYONE can do this.

>The average person? Is the average person poor? You did whatever you did and got lucky.
The average person started richer than me, they're now much poorer.

>I am telling you exactly that while not being delusional.
Ok, this is what I'm really interested in.

Should I have gave him money if he was going to straight away go and blow it on a unnecessary $800 phone?

>>37305146
The point is to not pride yourself on these slave values but try to overcome them. The average american has a shit life - there is no glory in that.

>>37305115
He's pointing out the cuteness of using "truly" when I was talking about how postmodernists don't believe in the notion of Truth

>>37305093
>>37305168
if I were not Alexander the Great, I would like to be Diogenes ...

>>37305158

You want welfare removed completely?

>>37305175
I've never seen that in my life

>>37298880
She's doing the right thing, instead of begging for gibs like you you entitled fuck

>>37305213
Except for people who suffers from a medical condition, or had an accident or some kind of disability that was due to something out of their control.

>>37305234
It's a thing where I live. Normies always try to brag about how much harder they work than their peers, and take pride in never taking sick days or vacations.

>>37305181
Pride and esteem are natural ways of thinking in human nature. No matter where you are in life you will be proud of what you have. That's just human nature. You can talk to homeless people and they will be proud of their grocery cart.

>>37305168
Fucking normie scum. NEETs don't go for burgers with their friends.They don't have any.

>>37305266
You clearly don't get what I'm getting at. You should read into master and slave morality.

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Never fails to amaze me how servile and pathetic most americucks truly are. You even have losers ITT licking boots like it's going out of fashion.

You people deserve EVERY economic downturn and eventual decline into third world status because of your inability to see.

>>37305262
That sounds like an aspect of Appalachian hillbilly/southern culture. From my understanding of reading non-fiction in those areas, especially Hillbilly Elegy, what they're saying actually isn't true. They brag about working 70 hours a week because they actually only work 12 and they're insecure about it.

It's the same way as how all Southerners/Appalachians brag about how religious they are, about how they go to church all the time, but their church attendance rates are in reality very low, and Northerners have much higher church attendance rates.

I would chalk it up more to lying/compensation for insecurities rather than an actual slave mentality.

>>37305272
So you just helped my argument then? You're saying NEETs are even less free than I said?

>>37305266
>Human nature meme

You have no fucking idea what you're talking about, "Human nature" is mutable to the material conditions and culture you have.

>>37299033
>degrees
>jobs

what shit are they smoking that's not how it works anymore haha

>>37305299
Which superior country do you live in, sir?

Let's be honest; the whole human race is a crock of short-sighted, self-serving shit and we all deserve the giant meteor that will eventually kill us all. Just because your country may or may not be marginally better than another in 2 or 3 areas of life doesn't mean you are vastly superior. Your country, no matter which, is still filled with humans.

>>37305310
Having no bonds to others is the ultimate freedom.

>>37305329
"Humans" are exaggerated caricatures of every bad trait due to capitalism and its exacerbating effects - hierarchy and abstract value (property, wealth, money) have indoctrinated people into a mode of living that's unnecessarily competitive and brutal. It's a systemic problem going back centuries. HOWEVER, that is not "humanity" - you limit yourself every time you bring up barbarity as being human nature because you will never dare to do better.

>>37305406
>random whining about capitalism
I'm out. Have fun with your marxism that turned out so well for venezuela. I hear if you're an early riser you have a better chance of shooting stray dogs on the street to feed your family there.

>>37305515
>implying it's a fault of ideology not the fault of wrong choice of people

>>37305179
>Let me explain it honey
then please go ahead and explain. Be as detailed as possible. MORE DETAILS!
you're still lucky though
>The average person started richer than me, they're now much poorer.
You are not the average person, you are the exception. Don't expect others to be able to do the same as you did.
>Should I have gave him money if he was going to straight away go and blow it on a unnecessary $800 phone?
idk lol, but he doesn't deserve to be poor.

>>37305182
no, but that is a funny observation
>>37305115
the entire post>>37304959
is just false.

You could cut off all welfare and the government would still demand tax from you, the same amount, and they'd find somewhere else to spend it

Why do good goys think otherwise?

If you earn more the government takes more: why does the government need to spend more? Isn't there an amount that's ENOUGH? Or is it never enough?

It is never enough. The government will keep taking your money no matter how little you get back or how much you earn.

>>37305388
... and you will be totally miserable

>>37305532
Yeah well I live in the real world fuck-o, not a university thought experiment, so your reply of "WULL IT WERKS IN THEORY" carries no weight.

Any time you give the government supreme power over all matters, they will abuse it. End of story. That's real life.

>>37305610

Taxation is theft. The government is unjust. The democratic republic model is nothing more than oligarchy in practice. Freedom now!

>>37305515
Venezuela failed because of its dependence on oil, not socialism.

>>37305653
No but I want to hear a justification of why if everyone in the country earns X and then the next year earns X + Y, why does the government deserve a part of Y?

Is there never enough money for the government? Like they absolutely need more to spend? What for?

>>37305656
Sure thing dude. How many failed Marxist States does there need to be, how many millions of deaths does there need to be, before you'll finally stop making excuses

>>37305707
Blame FDR and his faggy New Deal for ushering in this era of Corporatism and high regulation/high taxation. We haven't lived in a capitalistic society for almost 100 years.

>>37305656

Every single even quasi-Marxist system which has ever been tried in the history of the planet ends up with at least two of these:
>Economic collapse
>Mass starvation
>Genocide
>The unjust redistribution of property
>Totalitarian state control over everything
How anyone could think that is a good system is beyond me. Moreover, how anyone could think a system which minimizes personal freedom and maximizes collectivist control is just baffles me. And every time one of these countries fail, the socialists say "That wasn't real socialism! That wasn't real communism! That wasn't real Marxism!" as if it were even possible to implement any of those systems in their entirety without massive backlash from the people.

Look at immigration trends. People LEAVE socialist countries and COME to capitalist countries in massive numbers. Because it's a better life.

Could you give some kind of defense?

>>37305245
she could be sent to jail for child neglect, what then? Should it be manditory to sent child to fosters care since the parent cant feed them?

>>37305719
>Stating facts = excuses

I know you have a very myopic view of the world, mr amerifat. But there's a thing called complexity and nuance that ACTUALLY exists in real life! Crazy right?

Sorry that life isn't a video game where it's humans vs orcs.

>>37305611
>that normie fear of being lonely

>>37299033
>I lived below the poverty line
>tired of lazy poor people and handouts

Hahaha

>>37305707

The government doesn't deserve any money. It is literally theft. Think of it this way: if you refuse to pay, men with guns will come to your house. You'll either be threatened and forced to pay, or you'll be locked in a cage like a fucking animal.
The government WANTS your money. YOU don't matter to the government, you're just a tax resource. Essentially, the government is FARMING you for everything you're worth. The government creates artificial needs (which ultimately perform better when privatized anyway) and then claims it needs to be around in order for those needs to be met. They use the legal system and the educational system to instill those needs inside of you. Human beings existed for thousands of years before organized government operating through taxation. Government is NOT necessary. It is only a tool which can be used to enforce the opinions of the most powerful -- the legal system itself being nothing more than a "might makes right" position.

It deserves no respect. It should not exist. Anyone with even a modicum of self-respect would refuse to pay in if it weren't for the literal Mafia model that the government uses to enforce taxation.

Freedom now.

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>>37304747
The real world goal that we strive for is to have economic production for use, not for exchange.

When the 99% get an idea of what to do instead of working 40-hour work weeks, when they could work less and live a comfortable life.

Keynes was right in his observation that people do too much work, when less work hours could achieve the same.

Many of jobs are completely unnecessary, if not outright bullshit. Given the increasing automation in production, and then even other areas of economic production, the contradiction grows.

Do you think all factory workers will become robot maintenance technicians? What to do with the rest of them? What will they do?

The point is, the society is progressing in time, so is the economy, the capital accumulates and grows.

If you know something about the concept of information, you would know that money is just numbers printed on paper or stored in computers. Have enough of these numbers and you are a millionaire. Because the relationship between money(price) and value is not direct in many cases and is skewed and manipulated many times, as world shows many examples, and because the money can be easily transported, unlike natural resources or physical goods, or even labour force itself, then money based system turn into a casino where people gamble, because they know that with money, he who does not work can eat.

That shit won't fly in communism or socialism or primitive societies. There the labour is the only source of livelihood.

Current real world solution is to lessen the existential threat of working class, which is the uncertainty of competitive job market and give them a guaranteed livelihood. Look at what british labour party proposes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI073wq2zKY

>>37305800
Are you one of those ancap retards?

>>37303413
Heh gotta pay $300/mo for health insurance, get a 3 bedroom 2 bathroom house mortgage, support a kid and wife, spend money going out once a week, and finance a new truck too.

Let's blame the system for my financial problems. 70 hours a week and I have no money!

I got my first job at 24 and only left University with 5K in student debt, and 13K in stocks & savings account and I was a poorfag, the 13K came from gifts, fixing peoples cars & motorcyles, and investments. It's called don't spend money like a stupid nigger and youll be fine.

>>37305812

I support anarcho primitivism. Human beings, according to all of the greatest philosophers, were free and happy in the state of nature. In accordance with what we know from modern social and psychological sciences, human beings are happiest and perform best while in a society of under 2000 people. Capitalism is necessary, as it is part of our nature; if I am in the state of nature and I have an apple but want a pear, I should be free to trade one of my apples for one of your pears. That is capitalism (as opposed to corporatism).

Anarchy is also necessary. It is the only possible just state. If you have an argument in favor of authoritarian control, rather than personal freedom, I'm open to hear it. But I sincerely doubt it's something that I haven't already considered.

It was once said that it was a terrible thing for the white man to see how the native Americans lived. Not because it was a bad way of life, but because that way of living was so attractive that anyone who would witness it working in practice would recognize it as the superior system and would no longer respect their own government.

>>37305902
>Capitalism is necessary, as it is part of our nature;
>A system that had its inception 300 years ago is part of our nature

Disregarded that post - and NO, commodity exchange is NOT capitalism, don't conflate the two.

>>37305902
You with your stupid anarchy ideas are gonna be rekt and raped by some isis fascists or whoever has strong ideology and firm unity.

>>37305926

Capitalism at its core is nothing more than the exchange of property. In the current capitalist system, there is a "middle man" of cash, representing the value of traded goods. However the dollar is not much more than an IOU which gets passed around from person to person.
Free trade in an open market. That is capitalism. Whether I'm trading goods, services, or pieces of paper representative of possible goods and services, I'm engaging in the market and thereby engaging in capitalism.

Just because you dislike corporatism doesn't mean corporatism = capitalism. I would suggest reading Nozick's "Anarchy, the State, and Utopia".

>>37305964

That doesn't make my philosophy incorrect. It doesn't make their ideology just, and it doesn't make their actions morally acceptable.
There is a difference between "is" and "ought". Take care to remember that.

>>37305985
Your philosophy is just unviable.

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>>37305329
Is it not that exactly because of your fitting description of humanity, we should at least try to not step one on another like some misguided fools and strive for at least making living easy for all of us at least not being hungry or homeless or uneducated? Anything that goes beyond the absolute necessities can be a free game, you can be as much of a shithead, but as long as anyone being a shithead does not cause anyone to go hungry, homeless or dead, then it is fine.

>>37305902
Read Kropotkin, Mutual aid, a factor in evolution.

At least both competition and cooperation have their role in the progression of society and populations.

With capitalism being natural, that only applies to a meaning where it naturally appeared after the aristocrats of late feudalism and the primitive bourgeoisie amassed enough wealth to start making people work for a wage to make more money off of them. They saw no other alternative to gaining more power, getting more wealth, and as such they also started the bourgeois revolution that tore down the old feudalism.

But if you mean natural as in nature like animals and plants, then the natural state of humans is hunter gatherers. Agriculture is the first venture beyond nature.

What is more fitting example of natural is that we both eat half of an apple and later both eat a half of a pear because if food is scarce it is better to cooperate and save it for later. Those analogies serve no purpose other than a mental masturbation in trying to make the other person look dumb.
The king of those are car analogies.

Funny how word natural has too slightly different meanings. If you are a native speaker, it might not be apparent to you.

>>37306022

It really isn't. Human beings existed the way I said for literally tens of thousands of years. Only within the past few thousand years have the things which you think are impossible to live without popped up. But human beings don't need it. My system is not only viable, it is a call to return to doing what human beings have done for the VAST majority of their existence as a species.

>>37306046
>things which you think are impossible to live without popped up
Like cooking meat before eat and washing hands?

>>37305734
>she could be sent to jail for child neglect
Now we are calling it what it is.
She could get a job within her qualifications in order to support the children. If she couldn't meet her obligation then yeh, jail would be the best thing.
The are already laws that ensure that, the problem is that only men are subjected to them.
Instead of foster care the kids could go to a relative, if no relative then yes, fostercare.
what can't be allowed is for people to leech the system like that, otherwise there will be no insentive for things to change.
You seem to be forgetting the key point here. She didn't need to have children in the first place.
By you logic then a criminal with a family to support should be able to remain free. And nobody wants that right??
So allowing her to cost on the fact that she has children is wrong, it only makes sure these kinds of things keep happening.

>>37306107

Cooked meat is also part of human nature. In fact, eating cooked food (due to how it affects caloric intake) is one of the major factors that led to the evolution of homo sapiens as a species. Meat with every meal is relatively modern; it used to take a lot longer to find and hunt animals, and the human diet (up until, essentially, industrialization in the 19th century) was not primarily composed of meat consumption.

Modern medicine is not a good thing. It has artificially lengthened the lifespan of humans to a ridiculous degree and has prevented the deaths of many people who would not have survived in the state of nature. As families for thousands and thousands of years required many children in order to ensure that at least some survived and could work, it is ingrained in the psyche of humans to reproduce in large numbers. Lately this trend has been changing, but it's too little too late. The modern medicine of the past couple of centuries has done nothing but force us into an inevitable population crisis, leading some countries to create laws limiting reproduction. Without modern medicine, the species would have a shorter lifespan and would not massively overpopulate the planet, meaning that resources would be more plentiful (supply remains the same or increases, as demand decreases) and prices would necessarily drop. The entire system of free trade would be much more fair and just in such a situation.

>>37306258
>Without modern medicine, the species would have a shorter lifespan and would not massively overpopulate the planet, meaning that resources would be more plentiful (supply remains the same or increases, as demand decreases) and prices would necessarily drop.
Wouldn't the effect of decreased demand on prices be offset by the labor pool to extract these resources also being smaller?

>>37303226
All people have left is pride in how hard they work. It gives some kind of sense of control. It doesn't matter how exploitative or deplorable the conditions of that work are, so long as they're sweating and can craft a feelgood "muh bootstraps" fable out of it.

>>37305550
>he doesn't deserve to be poor
Not that guy but what is your criteria for deserving to be poor? If being poor is the state where you do not have much money, what does someone do in your eyes to be deserving of that state, if that anon's brother was not?

I think it's reasonable to say that his brother deserves to be poor if he is going to keep buying things he cannot afford every chance he gets, in the same way that someone who eats blatantly unhealthy foods and never exercises deserves to be fat.

Being poor is the logical conclusion of spending all of your money(or in his brother's case, spending all of your money and then borrowing more). If someone actively makes that decision for the purposes of vanity, as his brother does for the 800 dollar phone, I would say that he deserves to be there. He did not have his money stolen from him in the middle of the night, and he wasn't forced to spend that money on something that is an actual physical need, such as a medical emergency.

>>37306620

Not if the resources are taken out of the hands of human beings. If we returned to a hunter-gatherer society model and dedicated an amount of time preceding the return to filling our lands with fruit-bearing trees, wild fields of vegetables, and wildlife, this situation would work itself out.