>Hear about how pre-historic man only worked 15 hours a week

>>37291067

Because gigantic population and modern day society with economic system. What do you drive? Much rust on the brakes?

>>37291140
Uber Driver

I never thought working would be nice

I imagine they got longer hours around the time of the industrial revolution. Before then there just wasn't much to do. Now our economy is based on constant growth.

>>37291067
>>Hear about how pre-historic man only worked 15 hours a week
how could anyone really know this

>>37291185
>I imagine they got longer hours around the time of the industrial revolution. Before then there just wasn't much to do. Now our economy is based on constant growth.

that's pure crap

farmer's worked dawn to dusk since before recorded history, all they had for most of that time was human labor to produce all the food for society without pesticides or modern engineered seeds or tractors

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>>37291067
I work 8 hours a day now and then have roughly 2-3 hours of sitting in trains and busses on top of that, I like the work but the hours are really killing me.

I hate how this is happening in this supposedly 'developed society', many people are economic slaves without much opportunity to change it.

>>37291231
based on diet, tools, etc; more importantly comparing them to modern primitive nomadic people.

pre-historic man was a nomad. nomads mostly just find food, the only time they actually work is to relieve boredom.

>>37291231
You just have to calculate the activities a group of hunter-gatherers would be doing, and then you observe how much time is needed for them to survive and thrive.

>>37291262
>Farmers

Farmers were the first people to fuck everything up.

>>37291284
You should buy a PSVita and play video games on the go.

>>37291067
For the sake of (((capitalism)))

>>37291067
>>37291289
>>37291291

This sounds like Zerzan-tier propaganda

What is defined as work, and where did you read this?

>>37291330
Nah I don't want that.
I hope to be able to socialise a bit if an opportunity arises.
I also bring a sketchbook to doodle a bit but often I'm just too tired to do anything but stare out the windows.
In the morning too tired because I had litte sleep and in the evening too tired because of work.

>>37291262
>farmer's worked dawn to dusk since before recorded history,
But that's not true. They had some months of OHFUCKSHITSTRESS and then some great deal of comfy months where they would make parties and festivals and shit. This changed around 12th century because tech allowed for more extensive farming.

To be honest, I'd rather spend 12 hours a day doing /out/doors stuff like hunting and gathering mushrooms and shit than having to sit 8 hours a day behind a desk, then having to hurry to the mall afterwards and buy shitty food at a shady supermarket.

>>37291067
prehistoric man also didn't live in a house or have running water.

we live in the best time to be alive. we're quickly approaching pre-french-revolution level of living standards for the middle class.

i work 60 hours per week but how else would i occupy my time? i take enough vacations every year to be relaxed. almost every weekend i'm doing something (weekend before last: trip to cornwall, last week: music festival in brighton, this weekend: 5 star hotel in mayfair)

i don't like stewing in misery for long, so sue me

>>37291373
>no goy, men worked so much harder back then
>working 12 hours a day to make me billions is way better than spending most of your time on leisurely pursuits that you enjoy
>also you need to come on Saturday for some unpaid overtime. Say yes or you're fired!

>>37291473
nice shitposting diversion but my point still stands.

>>37291380
Any time they were not farming they were making clothing or tending to the kids or working on their homes or gathering firewood or whatever, there were no stores, shit sucked

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>only worked 15 hours a week
You mean 15 hours a day with 60+ holidays and being a NEET during the winter. Also you were practically starving unless you were wealthy.

>>37291453
>Didn't live in a house
>Didn't have running water
>I'm sure happy to be blowing a hole in my existence at 60 hours a week

kek
Have fun my dude. I know I wouldn't be.

>>37291641
>Prehistoric man
>Being wealthy

There was no such thing as currency aside from power and strength.

>>37291677
Civilization predates history, nigger.

>>37291373
Work is defined as labor needed to continue living.
Labor is something that is a complete waste of time and happiness.

2-4 hours of labor to find enough food to eat for the day. Once you're done for the day, 2-4 hours the next day. Increments like that.

>>37291656
>I'm sure happy to be blowing a hole in my existence at 60 hours a week
if all goes to plan i won't be grey when i retire, and i'm travelling the world anyway. in the last year i've been to toronto, barcelona, paris, chicago, krakow, split/hvar, amsterdam and i'm going to porto in a week.

you might consider it "blowing a hole in my existence" but i don't think i'd consider any aspect of your life an "existence" at all

>>37291262
This isn't true, though.
http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html

>>37291774
>1500s
>Prehistoric

>>37291726
>2-4 hours of labor to find enough food to eat for the day

That is not enough time to find food for the day.

>>37291983
>Well experienced due to foraging for food since 4 years old
>Know what's poison
>Know where to look
>Have other people just as seasoned helping you out

I'd say it is.

>>37291983
You're right, but it's two hours beyond 4, and it's actually not every day.

"In all, the adults of the Dobe camp worked about two and a half days a week. Since the average working day was about six hours long, the fact emerges that !Kung Bushmen of Dobe, despite their harsh environment, devote from twelve to nineteen hours a week to getting food."

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The industrial revolution WAS A MISTAKE.
Tribal farmers (not farmers in nations, but small tribal groups) AND hunter gatherers worked less hours, lived happier lives and almost everyone was guarenteed to get a GF. whores were thrown out of the tribe.


People worked a few hours and then relaxed. keep in mind, most of the "work" wasn't even work. Manual labour is comfy as fuck. Tilling fields with your mates talking about shit going on in nature is comfy as fuck. hunting deer and gathering berries is an enjoyable activity.


we should have stayed in tribes.

>>37292482
>and almost everyone was guarenteed to get a GF
haha, what

>whores were thrown out of the tribe.
HAAAA that's why our penises are shaped in a way that scrapes rivals' cum out of women's vaginal canals.

>we should have stayed in tribes.
i think you would have been bludgeoned to death on day 1 desu

>>37292482
I agree with you.
People hate this idea because to accept it is to accept that their lives are shit.

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>>37292543
>haha, what

people grew up with strong bonds. "arranged" marriage was common. unless you were 1/10, if you proved yourself in some way, you were strong or killed a bear, then you would get a gf.

I'll also add that living in nature and having a natural diet makes you more beautiful and better looking, so everyone would have been above 4/10.

>HAAAA that's why our penises are shaped in a way that scrapes rivals' cum out of women's vaginal canals.

sure, (((scientists))) made that up. maybe penises are made like that because it's for pleasuring the woman better?


>i think you would have been bludgeoned to death on day 1 desu

except i lived off the land with a bow and arrow innawoods for a few weeks, kys.


>>37292566
yup. they cant realise that modern society makes them weak degenerates.

>>37292482
>Tribal farmers (not farmers in nations, but small tribal groups) AND hunter gatherers worked less hours, lived happier lives and almost everyone was guarenteed to get a GF.

What are you basing this on besides your fantasies?

>>37292711
read tacitus germania, and some actual history you dimwit.

>>37292482
Go home, ted, everyone knows you're the bomber

>>37292677
>except i lived off the land with a bow and arrow innawoods for a few weeks
yet you're incapable of using an app like tinder that lets you literally order girls like chinese food

>>37292677
>sure, (((scientists))) made that up
it's easy to believe whatever you want when you only trust evidence from scientists and historians that you already agree with

Prehistoric man had much lower wages. Wagies are pathetic but there are still jobs with good hours, like anything medical except physician and some administrative positions. I have a friend who works 3 days a week and makes over 70k as a nurse. That's the way to cuck if you have too. I'll never understand the 8 hour work day. If I'm going to work I want the longest shift possible because even 1 hour working ruins the entire day. Might as well make it worth it and pull $500. I kind of think nurses are overpaid though. $70k just to push pills and play on facebook all day? What the hell?

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>>37292766
Ted Kaczynski was right.
>>37292844
It's more natural and it's in my blood to hunt deer and to live a natural lifestyle.


Using an app like tinder isn't what humans are adapated for.
>>37292873
>>37292873
nice job ignoring the point i made in my comment

>>37292482
Wives weren't a thing in that time

Everyone fucked everyone but Chad got the most sex ;)

>>37292924
my mum's a nurse, maybe it's like that in america but in england it's a gruelling, thankless job.

she has to deal with people shitting themselves on purpose, ripping catheters out, getting violent on meds, getting violent off meds, screaming for attention, dying, trying to scam drugs. she has to deal with apprentice doctors who don't know their arse from their elbow and might just kill someone by accident at any moment, and all for about 15 quid an hour.

fuck thaaaat

>t. hardworking private sector wagie

>>37292955
>nice job ignoring the point i made in my comment
why would i even need to respond to this point? from peep show:

>it's only through the miracle of consumer capitalism that you're not dying with rotten teeth in a pool of your own faeces at 35

>>37292414
>>37292149

So about 6 hours a day to getting food.

What about making & repairing tools, clothes, shelter, preparing the food, keeping poisonous snakes and ants away from from their village, etc?

All that, and you still shit in a hole in the ground and wipe your ass with a twig.

I don't mind working at a supermarket if it means I get to live in a futuristic house made out of brick and steel and wood that has crazy things like running water and I get to control the temperature and I don't have to worry about dying from an animal or insect biting me in my sleep.

>>37292482
People also drank diarrhea & were killed by bears or died from tooth decay.

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>>37293043
>rotten teeth

Not a problem in tribal societies, because people don't eat a shitload of unhealthy sugary food..


>pool of your own faeces

even the most primitive tribes know how to wash themselves and drink clean water, retard.


and for the point of age, most tribal peoples lived to their mid 60's before dying, which is better than living to 80 with dementia and withering away.

>>37293056
The primary difference between industrial society and nomadic man is that they had no clue as to what the word "toil" truly meant.

>>37293056
>People also drank diarrhea & were killed by bears or died from tooth decay

Drank diarreha? I assume you mean drink dirty water, and no, they had many means of boiling and filtering water and were immune to most diseases.


>MUH DYING FROM TOOTH DECAY

Tribal people don't eat processed sugary food like we do, there is little tooth decay for them. learn some anthropology, autist

>killed by bears

bears rarely kill unless their habitat is threatened or encroached by humans.

>>37292924
No matter how much money you make, your boss is literally making more from your work than you are. That's wagecucking. You are selling your labor to your employer, at a loss, for the opportunity to work for them.
Wage isn't just labor. It's labor + time + opportunity cost. All for next to nothing, because to your employer literally every second you work incurs no net cost to them.

>>37293019
It's like that in most cultures really. Nurses are regarded as ranking somewhere between a flight attendant and a maid.

A low-tier nurse in America will earn a bit more, but will have to worry about getting shot.

>>37291067
It's a holdover from the industrial revolution. Expect for hours in the work week to gradually decline in the future, as it already has from the days of working from sunrise to sunset. Many coal miners were underground so much that they never saw the sun on workdays, and that wasn't too long ago.

>>37293115
>and were immune to most diseases

yeah no diseases ever ravaged early civilizations. Just rainbows and puppies for everyone.

>>37293112
Also indoor plumbing & anime.

>>37293115
>calls someone an autist while dissecting examples that were clearly meant to be humorous
Not that poster but jeez

>>37293115
>bears rarely kill unless their habitat is threatened or encroached by humans.

There are no bears when I go to the supermarket and buy some fish or whatever.

When you go out into the forest hunting deer with pointy sticks, you are walking into the bear's hood.

>>37293185
>People play video games where they hunt in the woods

Why is that?

>>37293019
That sounds kind of low, only $19/hr real money. My friend is registered nurse and got the associates degree. In america they make the patient assistants clean up shit and do catheters stuff except for insertion. She should move to america.

>>37293120
Preaching to the choir there, brother. If you had to cuck wouldn't you rather do it as few days as is reasonably possible though? That's why I don't get all these 5 days a week kids. 3 days already sounds like a lot to give up. 5 days is over 70% of the week ruined and for no real reason. I don't really care about the money thing, once you have enough any more is just pretty numbers. All I care about is my precious time.

>>37292482
>Tilling fields with your mates talking about shit going on in nature

>Did you see that new rock by the creek?
>Nah man it's just another one of those ironic cash-ins to bank on your childhood nostalgia. As far as I'm concerned the creek peaked at rotting log
>What's a bank?

Our ancestors had everything figured out why did we ever fuck with it

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>>37293185
>civilisation

I'm not talking about cities and civilisation. I'm talking about small, tribal societies.
>>37293190
"i was just making a joke gg-guys, it was humorous"

kek
>>37293208
bears aren't that difficult to kill. bears are usually solitary, so if tribal hunters knew they were going into bear territory they would take other people witth them and a few weapons.

>>37293208

I think that depends on the flavor of bear. I've only ever seen a bear twice in all my time innawoods', but it's the pussy ass black bear. If I lived in grizzly land then I'd be scared shitless at the thought of bears. Those are the assholes who kill for no reason. A black bear you practically have to be assfucking one of their cubs inside their den to piss it off.

>>37293241
Unfortunately, it's about competitive advantage. You're going to be sell less product if you work fewer days. Employers would want to be operational every day if federal law didn't effectively institute a 40-hr work week.

>>37293085
so you're telling me

i don't get to live in a house
i don't get to have healthcare
i don't get to fly to other countries
i don't get to watch tv or play videes
i don't get to go to bars, gigs, theatres, clubs, restaurants, the cinema, art shows, galleries, parties or music festivals
i don't get to have electricity, gas, running water or indoor plumbing of any kind

and the only upside that it's "easy to get gf"?
yeah you can keep your tribes mate lol

>>37293328
These are like lyrics to a Bodycount w. Ice-T song

>>37293391
All these things you value are detrimental to the earth, to nature, etc.
To experience real joy in life, come back to nature. stay innawoods for a few weeks and your mind will become clear.

>>37293226
Because it's a fun little leisure and not a necessity, the same reason they also hunt in real life and not just in video games. People hunt wild pigs with machine guns from helicopters, some do hunt with bows & arrows but it's still modern-day bows & arrows.

It's something that we did for millenia, it's a part of us, we know that we have to do it and our brain rewards us with pleasure when we do.

But we don't -have- to do it anymore. We can just get a burger at a drive-through.

>>37293284
>>37293328

It's not just bears, or even bears, depending on where you live.

Hell it doesn't even have to be a massive predator, it can just be something small and poisonous like an ant or a snake or a fish.

>>37293328
Black bears are more cowardly but they are also more predatory.
I'm not sure if the statistic is up to date but black bears are more likely to attack you with the intent of eating you. Grizzly attacks are usually defensive in nature.

>>37293419
>stay innawoods for a few weeks

So "go on a vacation" in other words.


This thread is full of people who advocate going back to hunting deer with stone spears, while they post from their computers while sitting in a comfy computer chair and eat microwave-heated pizza pockets and drink soda that was manufactured and bottled in another part of the country or even the world.

>>37293359
I don't think that's it. I mean I get they want to operate at the busiest hours to decrease costs and be closed for the hours where operation costs more than revenue is generated, but it still seems shitty having 8 hours shifts when there are no laws against having better shifts like the medical guys get. Knowing this, why do people still go for the shitty 8 hour gigs? Noseberg isn't going to boohoo and stick to his shit hours only policy if everyone is flocking to the 12 hours ones. People seem content with the 8 hours though.

It must be due to conditioning. I never went to school so wasting 8 hours a day seems bizarre to me. Kind of like a learned helplessness maybe?

>>37291553
In the middle ages people had fixed professions.

>>37291922
We were talking about the time before the industrial revolution, retard.

Also, in prehistoric (i.e preneolithic) times agriculture wasn't even a thing. You're talking out of your ass.

>>37293517
Why the hell would we advocate using stone spears when we have technology? The bow and arrow or atlatl and dart with steel heads is far superior to stone. Get the fuck out of here with your clueless retard ass.

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>>37293517
Except i've actually lived innawoods for a few weeks, and I plan to buy some land and build a cabin and live a self sufficient life when I have the money.

>>37293531
>prehistoric times
>agriculture wasn't even a thing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_on_the_prehistoric_Great_Plains

>>37293668
Crazy that this most basic of lifestyles, that many of our ancestors lived by default, has now become a luxury.

>>37291067
>>37293646
>we have technology

technology is a product of labor

how are you going to produce steel heads in your magical pre-industrial or even pre-historic society? You're advocating no labor whatsoever for anything at all.

There's no need to get upset, even if you're totally wrong.

>>37293720
It's hardly a luxury. There are big online communities devoted to homesteading. What the guy talks of is just the intersection of early retirement guys and homesteaders. It's a 'dream' easily achievable in 10 years assuming he makes more than minimum wage. Less if he has any kind of family or inheritance to look forward to.

>>37293646
>Why the hell would we advocate using stone spears when we have technology?
dunno, same reason you're advocating shitting in the woods for a few weeks inexplicably killing deer

>>37293419
>All these things you value are detrimental to the earth, to nature
>oh boo hoo oh no the earth suffers because you went to see a movie and got some popcorn ohhh poor mother earth someone's gone to a music festival mother earth i weep for thee
lmao

>To experience real joy in life, come back to nature. stay innawoods for a few weeks and your mind will become clear.
yeah i've been camping before, pretty serene. any other advice or have you somehow made "go camping" the crux of your worldview

>>37293732
>You're totally wrong
>While he cherry picks from various posts ITT

Admit it, you're just posting here to stir things up

>>37293668
>build a cabin

kek

modern-day weakling is too soft to live in a hut, he has to (have contractors) build a cabin with wi-fi and jacuzzi

You can just leave, right now. All you need is a knife and even that is a convenience of ((labor)) and ((technology))

>>37293794
haha what how am I cherry-picking anything I directly replied to you post about having steel technology in a pre-historic lifestyle hahaha dude

>>37293817
It's not even my post.

>>37293715
Firstly this refers to native americans. Pre history in the sense of pre european settlement. This occured afther the neolithic and is not what is meant by the prehistoric man.

>>37293732
I'm not advocating any of the shit you talked about. Steel working isn't that much more involved than stone knapping. If you want to be a nitpicky little bitch about it then how about iron or bronze? Obviously it takes work to heat up a piece metal, just like it takes work, a lot more compared to metal, to shape stone. Especially considering the abundance of scrap iron available. A single visit to the junkyard could have a shitty forge and foundry up and running by the days end.

>>37291416
Then do it

org4no

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>>37293720
>>37293767
>>37293795
when will these (((Industrialist))) materialists who've never lived off the land make an argument for once?


i am the only valid one here since i actually bowhunted and lived innawoods in a shelter

>>37291553
If you're going to include that then you have to include all the other non-job shit modern people do in our daily lives -- cooking, bathing, going to the store, maintaining our homes/appliances, etc.. Pre-industrial people were not obsessed with utilizing every second of free time to do some "productive" non-farming activity like you think. They were mostly content to hover around subsistence, and that didn't require working dawn to dustk throughout the year. Sometimes there was just fuck-all to do, like in winter. They also did a lot of stuff communally or at least within the family unit, which cut down time spent on various activities we'd do individually today.

>>37293521
The answer originally probably has something to do with financial market operating hours.
And if you have your employees on 12hr shifts, they can't work all five days your business is open, so you have to have more employees, which is more overhead.

>>37293990
I doubt the average wagecuck is smart enough to realize this, so I still wonder why they are perfectly content working five days a week instead of just two or three.

>>37291067
Agriculture was an original mistake

>>37291185
So why not employ more people for shorter shifts?

>>37293936
> make an argument for once?
our "argument" is: "tribal" life sounds fucking awful to us. good for you if you want to live like that, but one man's meat is another man's poison

>>37294215
and i've proved why you're wrong.

>>37294069
I don't think people are content with it. I bet a poll that asked "Would you prefer to work fewer days per week while still being paid the same?" would get 98% affirmative. The problem is we don't have a choice. It's why radical labor laws were passed in 1938, and it's why we need them now.

>>37294069
More work = More money = More power = More social status

>>37291067
by choosing to save babies who would have died in the wild, with things like medicine, etc, you flood the market with poor competition using metrics that are more or less arbitrary. when a literal regard can get paid a living wage to wave a sign for 40 hrs then you have to work that much harder for a living

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gggQtG8hgKY

>>37294194
Any business tells you hiring is a nightmare and a resource sink. The cost to the business isn't in wages, so it's often preferable to pay higher wages to fewer employees than to hire additional workers.

>>37294241
i don't want to live like that. it sounds terrible. this isn't an argument, it's an opinion. you can't prove me wrong because we enjoy different things. wiping your arse with leaves and drinking out of a stream like a dog might float your boat, but it's not for me.

>>37294342
you're not fit for life on earth then.

>>37294295
Why do you think every death is deserved and a result of evolutionary inferiority? Why do you think human evolutionary pressures move towards being more intelligent or somehow useful?

>>37294359
unfortunately for you, the amount that i get paid means that society has concluded i am very much fit for life on earth.

>>37294342
>>37294359
He's right. We're built to drink from streams and enjoy the natural world.

You must have a true mental problem.

>>37293838
It doesn't matter what examples you use. Every history from every region has begin after Civilization, and to have civilization you need to have agriculture. Even China had agriculture back as far as 6500BC. Chinese history is some of the oldest, and it only goes back to the 1500BCs

>>37294416
I do enjoy the natural world.
I just do that on my own time.
I'm going to a flower show tomorrow. It's going to be beautiful, full of the glory of the natural world

and then i'm going to have lunch in a restaurant and shit in a toilet that flushes

>>37293175
>Expect for hours in the work week to gradually decline in the future
that's what they said in the 50s about the 40 hour work week. The jews are laughing their ass off that they have you believing this

>>37293936
and yet here you are again, back home where you belong

>>37294416
>We're built to drink from streams

Go drink from a stream and tell me when your diarrhea stops.

>>37295379
Streams aren't toxic to drink from unless there's a dead corpse/shit in the water ahead.

If you account for where it's flowing, it's pretty safe to drink from a stream. People don't always do this though.

>>37295364
>Implying this is a valid point

A lone man in woods is an evolutionary novelty.
That's the dude that dies pretty fast in nomadic societies.

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>>37292482
Honestly, there were some good intentions from those who brought the industrial revolution forward. We've come far enough to be in this point in time closer than we have ever been to making robots do our work for us and things like universal income. It's inevitable considering our modern day circumstances and how much more efficient and painless it is to make robots do stuff.

It was a mistake, but it wasn't all bad. Soon enough mankind will know some form of peace and harmony like it has never known before. And if it weren't for things like the prospect of universal income etc. I would be downright hating the industrial revolution. The worst outcome from it has to be the huge population growth. The world went from a comfy liveable place that wasn't too crowded to a literal mess.

>>37291067
>Hear about how pre-historic man only worked 15 hours a week

yeah, they probably ran full speed chasing their food. If yo compressed how much productivity people actually do in those 40 hrs, i doubt its over 20 hrs. Most of it is downtime and socializing

>>37292482
>almost everyone was guaranteed a gf
LOL, you have it backwards you mong. Back in those days only around 50% of men reproduced. 2:1 ratio

>>37297088
Why can't we leave after 20 hours then?

>>37298156

Like I said, socializing and being a team player

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>>37293419
>detrimental to the earth, to nature, etc.

Resources exist to be consumed. And consumed they will be, if not by this generation then by some future. By what right does this forgotten future seek to deny us our birthright? None I say! Let us take what is ours, chew and eat our fill.

>>37292482
>Manual labour is comfy as fuck
go fuck yourself. manual labor is the opposite of comfy

>>37298156
"muh work ethic" cucks.
Have you ever finished your job for the time and because you're a robot you just stand and do nothing instead of just talking about bullshit that all the normalfags normally do?
It literally triggers bosses more than doing nothing but socializing and stretching out the work over the whole shift.
Normalfags are awful. They would literally rather see you doing useless things wasting time than to see you stand by and be ready for actual work.