Who else here fell for the trump meme?

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>>37258879
Me.
I regret voting for him every single day.
His impeachment is imminent.
He will be remembered as the worst president in US history.
I wish I could turn back time and vote for Madam President.

>>37258879
He isn't going to get impeached, they have absolutely 0 evidence against him. Even if they had a shred, people vastly underestimate how hard it is to impeach a president.

>>37258879
Trump can't do what he promised because Congress (where the Democrats and RINOs form the ruling majority) doesn't support his agenda you idiots.

You also have judges legislating from the bench.

Me to a certain degree. I expected him to go 180 on China and the trade stuff, but I believed he would actually try to not interfere in the middle east and start buulding the wall as soon as possible.
Turns out it literally doesn't matter at all who you vote for and it's just cheap entertainment for the plebs.

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You forgot him shitting on Saudi's then licking their feet when informed how Murrica need them deals.

>>37258879
I would 10x rather him be elected and impeached than have shillary running things.

>>37258954
>dems are rulling majority

HOW ARE YOU THIS RETARDED? IS THIS HOW AMERICA ENDED UP WITH A LITERAL RETARD AS PRESIDENT? BECAUSE WE'RE ALL FUCKING INBRED HICKS WITH IQS UNDER 90?

>dems don't want him because he's basically a proto-fascist on the surface
>reds don't want him because he can't do anything right
>The nazis don't want him because he was just joking about the wall guise lol

This is a trash fire. I can't wait to be bought out by China at this point.

>>37258926
haha stupid pawn

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>>37259003
I bet you enjoyed that, didn't you paco? You seem to be a real expert on american needs

>>37259187
I'm whiter than you senpai. Do not get upset at me you have to support 'based Saudi's' like a good little cuck now.

>>37259049

well he's discounting certain republicans as "in name only." i think because there are some that have enough moral fiber to not want to follow the paul ryan/mitch mcconnell vision of america. or at least are worried enough about getting reelected if they actually sign off on any of this shit that they won't just follow like sheep.

is hilarious to read him complaining about bench legislation when the republicans literally refused to do their duty in considering obama's supreme court nomination because they want to legislate from the bench there. gorsuch slid into that position like a snail, greased by mcconnell's slime trail.

>>37259280
There are enough republicans who know if they go ahead with obamacare repeal they will get voted out in the next elections as a lot of their constituents will lose access to healthcare.

I voted for Hillary and I've been having fun.

Sharia blue hard this early eh

>>37259374

>r9k poster voted Hillary

You have to be a roastie, right? Can you explain your position? What did you prefer about her?

>>37259430
>You have to be a roastie, right?
Nope, obese NEET guy.
>Can you explain your position?
islamig gommunism :DDDD
>What did you prefer about her?
Net neutrality and pretty much only that.

>>37258987
>>37259003
Delete these. It's not his fault.

>>37258879
I would have voted for him if only for the liberal tears. I never imagined that he would be a good guy, i mean, two kennedys, how can you be stupid enough to believe?

>>37259449

Ok, so basically you're a crank.

>>37259374
>I voted for Hillary and I've been having fun.
same
can't really say watching trump fuck shit up is fun though

>>37259495
The internet is the most important thing in my life. I don't want corporations to have free reign to fuck it in the ass. Yell about "muh free market" all you want but a market where two monopolies can do whatever they want and not even a company as big as Google can break into it isn't free at all. Maybe if Trump was going to break up the ISP monopolies I could get behind him but so far he appointed a fucking smug poo-in-loo as head of the FCC and he plans to use any form of regulation as his designated shitting street.

>>37259510
>can't really say watching trump fuck shit up is fun though
Every day there's some new headline about some funny shit Trump did and I love it. I'll be kind of sad when it's over.

>>37258879
You did. You dummy. I predicted this would happen back when /pol/ was shilling trump everywhere and everybody was saying what a great guy he was

>>37259531

I was really referring to the islamic communism thing...

But Net Neutrality to me seems to be a 'progressivist' social issue, it's basically meddling types who want the internet to be controlled, but who frame their terms of control as 'fighting monopolies', you're basically claiming that in order to make the internet free, it needs to have the government regulating it... and this by definition is the bigger threat to the internet and free speech, etc.

It's always exclusively government which has ruined the internet's freedom, and the internet itself as a place of freedom is mostly a result of market forces, not government legislation.

>>37259531
Somebody actually speaking some sense on this board for once

>>37258954
Did it take you until after his presidency began for you to realize the US is a democracy, not a dictatorship?

I realize trumpfags are retarded but not THIS retarded.

I don't know why people are backing away from Trump now. He made it clear who he was during his campaign.

Trump is doing pretty okay all things considered. Remember he shot down the TPP first chance he got.

>>37259576
>But Net Neutrality to me seems to be a 'progressivist' social issue, it's basically meddling types who want the internet to be controlled, but who frame their terms of control as 'fighting monopolies', you're basically claiming that in order to make the internet free, it needs to have the government regulating it... and this by definition is the bigger threat to the internet and free speech, etc.
Alright, have fun paying 200 dollars extra to access 4chan assuming it's not blocked for illegal activity by the two ISPs available in America

>>37259548
>fun
People say this like they expect things to go back to normal after he leaves. It won't. Things will be changed drasticaly just like they where in 2008 with the recession

>>37259611

>Alright, have fun paying 200 dollars extra to access 4chan assuming it's not blocked for illegal activity by the two ISPs available in America

But where does anything like this policy exist??? Isn't this all scare tactics? Has there ever been a situation even close to one where you have so little choice that you have to pay massive amounts of money just to be able to access a very basic text and image site like 4chan??

>>37259576
do you know what net neutrality is? explain it

>>37259576
Found the libertarian. Enjoy looking like an idiot constantly. Or are you just pretending to be retarded?

>>37259576
>>37259632
I just want to remind you anon that ISPs have attempted to block 4chan before.

This is not a "what if" scenario - ATT has literally tried to block 4chan on their network before

It's stupid to pretend like companies simply wouldn't exercise their power to do this

>>37259653

'Net Neutrality' is a concept that was promoted by various very powerful groups and corporations. It certainly was not a 'grass roots movement', it was promoted by various companies, organisations, etc that are associated with 'progressivism'. The IDEA they promote is that ISP's are going to somehow limit access to certain content for political reasons or more likely for financial reasons. But there's very little evidence of this. Most pressure for censorship online comes from various groups lobbying government and threatening the companies directly.

>>37259684

I wouldn't consider myself one, but you haven't addressed any specific issue. You're reactive.

>>37259689

But what is the evidence that there's ever been a situation where multiple ISP's have worked together intentionally or unintentionally to totally exclude certain content that people should reasonably be able to access. These scenarios are just myths. The real threat to the internet comes from government control and legislation. 'Net Neutrality' is moralfaggotry, the very moralfaggotry which causes things like censorship in the first place.

Having government involved to any degree in the internet is a bad idea. People should be pushing constantly to exclude it more and more.

>>37259740
>'Net Neutrality' is a concept that was promoted by various very powerful groups and corporations. It certainly was not a 'grass roots movement', it was promoted by various companies, organisations, etc that are associated with 'progressivism'. The IDEA they promote is that ISP's are going to somehow limit access to certain content for political reasons or more likely for financial reasons.
Net neutrality means that it's illegal for ISPs to give special privileges to websites that pay them more. That's it. For example, AT&T couldn't give Domino's Pizza full speed on their network but give the local pizza place dial-up tier speeds.

>>37259775

Why is that a bad thing, though? What's the evidence that it would lead to the silencing of other websites entirely? Those other websites would surely still be able to have their sites hosted, the issue would be people on certain ISP's being able to access it, but in general isn't there enough demand and competition that people who do want the content will generally have it... and in general most providers will ensure general access to everything by everyone?

>>37259601
youre the retard here
you could say thst about hillary if she had won and couldnt get anything done because of congress. How is that Trumps fault

>>37259885
>but in general isn't there enough demand and competition
Between ISPs? No.

>>37259885
>Why is that a bad thing, though?
>Oy vey goyim, why is it bad for Normiebook and JewTube to be given 100 Gb/s but for smaller websites to have to crawl along at 1 b/s. It's the free market you filthy goy.

And people say shills don't post on 4chan.

>>37259740
>>37259885
What is your opinion on the censorship of child porn anon?

>>37259689
In Trump's America, this is the future of Internet.

>Access to the popular 4chan site, only an additional $9.99 per month!
>Sign up for our adult entertainment plan! Unlock thousands of adult sites right at your fingertips, for only $29.99 a month!

This is literally what net neutrality tried to prevent.

>>37259914

Well why is that? Isn't it possible that there's simply little to base competition on? There's too little diversity of variation in product for anyone to bother with doing anything but going with the largest ISP? What's causing there to be little competition?

>>37259936

I find it very hard to believe that there would ever be a situation where most ISP's or even more than a minority would ever want to significantly limit access to any sites, just because they're less used. What you're talking about are instances where say - companies want to provide mobile users with faster access to sites they're more likely to use, 'limited' access for normies... but there's no reason to believe this would somehow enroach against general access. The vast majority of people want to be able to access any site they find on google at a reasonable speed. That's the very demand that created and fuelled the internet to begin with. It won't evaporate.

>>37259951

I'm against censorship of child porn. CP availability is almost the litmus test for internet freedom. It may not be healthy or good, but if you're on a site where CP could be freely posted without consequence... you're on a site where most likely you can post any opinion freely, and this is probably the best force in the world.

>>37259740
Hardly a surprise that someone who writes out against net neutrality is posting 100% lies. How much did at&t pay you for that copypasta?

>>37260008
>I'm against censorship of child porn. CP availability is almost the litmus test for internet freedom.
Weeeeeeew laddy

>>37259280
The "paul ryan/mitch mcconnell vision of america" is what we have now bub. How's it working?

PR/MM want

>bad trade deals
>insane levels of immigration
>no wall on the border
>Offer no real solutions to ACA debacle.

which are all things Trump opposes.

>>37259601
Most expect the President's party to defer to his agenda because he freaking won the election based on his agenda. Our current president can't pass his agenda because of infighting in his own party.

>>37260008
>I find it very hard to believe that there would be a situation where companies would try and leverage more money out of it's customers.

>>37260008
Oh yes, good goy, trust the ISPs. They only have your best interest in mind. The evil government wants to make ISPs deliver on what they promise!

>>37259740
>various very powerful groups

That is the most blatant idiotic falsehood I have read today.

>people unironically believe democrats wont touch their internets

As soon as Drumpf is gone say goodbuy to your 4chinz

>>37260065
>As soon as Drumpf is gone

You're an idiot if you believe it takes this long. Uncontrolled ISPs will start blocking everything far sooner.

>>37260017

I can go online at any point and watch HD videos of men being burnt alive, crushed by tanks, drowned, their heads being blown off, their heads being chainsawed off, etc... this is all brutal and disgusting, and I imagine humiliating for the victims. But who is really harmed by this being legal? Nobody. Anti-CP sentiment is just misandry\gynocentrism\statist 'morality'.

>>37260029

I fully believe companies would do that, but that's the point - competition working with demand always counter those forces. A company that tries to limit access to certain sites might thrive in a niche of retarded normies on limited mobile plans... but COMPETITION and the HUGE DEMAND will ensure that most plans and ISP's will offer free access to all sites, because MOST PEOPLE want to be able to access most sites that are available. That's how the internet was created - not through government fiat - but through demand and competition.

>>37260042

You're literally saying that companies of financially-motivated individuals are a bigger threat to freedom and more evil than... GOVERNMENT? The organisation that imprisons people, conscripts people, murders people, etc?

>>37260052

Then you don't know the history. Where is the organic movement online for defence of internet freedoms? It barely exists, because most people are fucking lazy and set Google as their homepage. It wasn't an organic movement at all, it was a way for certain lobbyists to gain status and power and promote their vision of the internet, which is a vision which is TOXIC to freedom.

>>37260084
>muh ebil ISPs

They only cave in to political and economic pressure.
I dont care about torrent sites bekng blocked because some music merchant doesnt make enough money.
I care about a site getting blocked because it criticises muslims and guess under whom its going to happen.

>>37260099
>Yes goyim, competition. The free market always produces the best results. What are you an antisemite communist?

>>37260116
>I dont care about torrent sites bekng blocked because some music merchant doesnt make enough money.
I fucking do you faggot cuck. Dumb faggot. Fuck you.

>>37260146
You are a retard if this is where your priorities lie rather than hate speech legislation.
>but where would i get my iron mans and animes

>>37260135

I'm not claiming that competition is the solution to all problems, but it's pretty efficient. The history of the expansion of the Internet shows that - people wanted access to this thing that they didn't have, so young boys begged their mummies to sign up, even though speeds back then were ridiculously slow... and this spread throughout the entire world.

At this moment, ALL the major threats to internet freedom in the world come from governments, not from the ISP's themselves - it's government co-ercing these ISPs. Go read a newspaper.

>>37260084
You mean like how they've been doing that for the last 30 years?
oh...wait...

They have ALWAYS had these powers, the FCC has under no circumstances ever been able to actually enforce net neutrality rules, proposed or passed. All the bullshit you keep hearing about is redditors screeching at the top of their lungs without reading anything.
Literally nothing has changed.

>>37260188
>Just accept my kosher kock goy, it's best this way.

>>37258879
Not me, because I'm educated. Not a fucking idiot like all the racists on this board who thought he'd actually do something.

>>37260202

Meanwhile I'm a white Australian... in a country where the government recently compelled all the ISP's to ban many major torrenting sites, and where the government offers no opportunity to circumvent this...where the only way to circumvent this ban is to use various services like seedboxes or VPN's...again...competition and the private sector allow freedom.... while "progressivist" "liberals" like yourself do everything you can to allow government more control over my life.

>>37260239
>Take it deep goyim, large corporations are the only way to ensure Jewish domin- errr I mean personal freedom.

>>37260116
ISPs are going to block anti-muslim sites and anti-jew sites because of economic pressure. You killed internet freedom, moron. Net neutrality would have saved it.

But it's futile to try to reason with you since you obviously do not understand what net neutrality is. Shlomo Shekelstein told you it's bad so you believe it.

>>37260188
There are two ISPs in Burgerland. They have every incentive to block sites if left unregulated. But you are not even human, you are a subhuman sheep, so you don't understand how the world works.

>>37260191
Why do you lie so much? Net neutrality was exactly about keeping status quo. Now without it you invite censorship and blocking at will.

Explain in your own words how net neutrality would have been bad. You can't. You just copypasta what Shlomo Shekelstein tells you to.

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>>37258879
who /democrat who likes trump/ now

y'all niggers got trolled.

>>37260274

That's utter bullshit, there are thousands of ISP's in the US. Name one locality in the US where there are only two.

>>37260302
>Explain in your own words how net neutrality would have been bad
Giving governmental bodies the ability to regulate private companies that had done no wrong in the first place.
Or at least ATTEMPTING to do that.

Net Neutrality was a huge puff of hot air, it literally didn't do a fucking thing. The FCC never gained any actual regulatory power from it and ISPs were never directly affected by it. It's been business as usual for them the entire time.

>>37260329
He's referring to Comcast and Time Warner, who comprise over 50% of all internet services.
We're rapidly approaching another mama bell situation, and we'll probably just break the shit up like we did last time.

Comcast and NBC merger should never have happened though, thats a massive conflict of interest. Then again, what do you expect to happen in an oligarchy

>>37260260
No it's because of political pressure and possible hate speech legislation in the near future.
Your idea of internet freedom if that of a bratty child and you are very naive to think that Democrats wont introducee legislation to crack down on hate speech.

>>37260260
>ISPs are going to block anti-muslim sites and anti-jew sites because of economic pressure
lmao what
The only places that have done that are countries like the UK and SK who passed legislation FORCING them to do that
ISPs have no "economic incentive" to block anything based on the content it provides, unless its particularly high bandwidth like netflix, and even then they just throttle it.

The only people who are uncomfortable with hate-speech sites are politicians and the domain providers who host them.
You're retarded.

>>37258879
>believing some business man who has the moral fiber of a pimp

>>37260375
>believing a politician who has been loathed her entire career and has been proven to have effectively rigged her own nominations
At least one of them was straightforward about being an ass.

>>37260384
>Good goy, vote for the pro-Israel shill.

>>37260333
Giving the government power to set standards and holding companies accountable is a bad thing? You missed the part where ISPs were always held to net neutrality.

You must also be against FDA and food safety testing. The government should not be allowed to regulate private companies, right? Companies should be able to sell poultry and eggs and meat and vegetables without any government oversight.

So either admit you are wrong, or go get e.coli from your free market food.

>>37258879
Considering this board is full of autists, you would at least expect them to be smart and conservative. You're just angry you can't collect your NEET bux and have to get a real job

>>37260402
Both of them are Israel puppets. I'd rather have the one who isn't trying to ban assault weapons again because MUH SPOOKY DEATH MACHINES, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CONSTEETOOSHUN

>>37260402
Ironically the only presidential candidate who was not a shameless pro-Israel shill is a jew.

>>37260413
>You missed the part where ISPs were always held to net neutrality.
They weren't

>You must also be against FDA and food safety testing
The FDA has actual regulatory authority

>So either admit you are wrong, or go get e.coli from your free market food.
I will do neither because I am both correct and able to purchase food safely.

Get this through your dense fucking skull: The FCC has never, NEVER HAD EVER ONCE full regulatory powers over ISPs. Crying that the mean old republicans are undoing all the good Tom Wheeler did is pretty blatant proof you never actually read any of the proceedings those proposals set out to do.
And they don't need that power. Give the FCC that power and they'll ban swear words and porn from the internet just like they did from cable access and radio. It's a horrible idea and anybody who supports it has no understanding of past FCC practices and forced decency laws.

>>37259552
>who else
>You did.
At least he's not illiterate.

>>37260455
No.

Just no. You're so fucking wrong it hurts.

You want me to just read into the thing I'm arguing about? Yeah, that's a good one.

The more power taken away from people and put into the hands of government, the better. There is not one single example of the government having ultimate authority in a matter and abusing that power. Go ahead, cry
>muh market
But you're wrong.
What about the refugees? You think private citizens would bring over these people? Fucking delusional

>>37260426
>Good goy, THE Donald will drain the swamp, make America white again lmao. You goyim are always too easy to trick.

>>37259049
>what is the freedom caucus
You're retarded. Majority means nothing. It's just like the blue dog democrats with Obama.

>83 replies
>30 posters
hmmmmmmmmm

>>37260532
I wonder who could be behind these odd events

>>37260553
Are you implying you're a fucking antisemite? How could you? What have w-I-I mean Jews ever done to you? Nothing!?!??! So don't mention us here

>>37260553
I've never even said anything about them. P-please. T-This is clearly work of those nazis that plague amerikkka.

Impeach drumpf right now!!!!!!!!!

>>37260600
I am literally shaking as you can see Instead of responding to >>37260580
I've quoted myself.

>>37260455
Get this through your thick skull, subhuman: net neutrality always existed before. This changed with common carrier status. Look it up. ISPs saw a chance for a money and power grab with the change.

Not having neutrality is now a NEW thing.

like most people i realized that all the self-righteous chest thumping was more a function of his egomaniacal personality rather than having any real convictions, let alone educated opinions and informed policy positions, so i didn't fall for the trump meme and am not remotely shocked that he's backtracked on so many of his promises.

fuck off /pol/.

>>37260455
But FDA having authority over private companies is a bad thing. You said so. Now go die of e.coli.

>>37258879
I don't even like Trump but a lot of stuff on this list is completely taken out of context. But, I'm still butthurt about the election. When your only options are Hillary and Trump it really says a lot about the state of our country.

>>37260719
Considering that voters actually wanted Bernie, and the system refused that...

>>37260844
I liked Bernie, and would have voted for him if he won the nomination, but let's be honest- None of Bernie's ideas would see the light of day if he actually won.

>>37260873
No, but it definitely would have started something. In the long run I think he might have been able to change system more than Trump. Who was all talk and now can't get a single thing done.

>>37261051
Ah, yes. I too think socialism work.

>>37258954
Dems are not the ruling majority

>>37261116
Yeah because Bernie's ideas were soooooo radical, they'd never work. There's no country, let alone a wealthy, western country that was able to implement socialist systems and benefit from it. That's just too crazy.

>>37260099
How do you think CP is produced you utter piece of shit?

>Voting orange tv-reality show millionaire weirdo as head of one of the most powerful nations
You deserved it, rest of the world is laughing and cringing at you.

Shareblue get out reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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>>37258879
>tfw
>you only had to listen

>>37261177
You can't possibly compare Scandinavian countries to the US. That's like comparing apples to fucking bowling balls

>>37258879
so the establishment NWO tamed him and put him on a leash, if not they would've just assassinated him

democracy is dead, the masses don't have a say in anything

>>37258879
>voting for a literal billionaire
how retarded can you be?

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>>37261949
Being rich doesn't automatically mean you're evil, you AnCom faggot.

You guys are retarded.
How could you shill for Ron Paul in 2008 and not Bernie in 2016?
Utter retards.

>>37261978
>how could you support a rothbardian libertarian and not support a communist

>>37261901
The "it will never work here" excuse. Why couldn't US heavily invest in education and fund it by increasing taxes for the rich?

Funny how it's poor Americans who are the most likely to vote against their own interests. Fuck infrastructure, lower taxes for the rich!

>>37261994
>communist

That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

>>37261974
no, it means your usually selfish and greedy
thats the only way people could get rich through business

>>37262002
meh, not going to play word games with a commie

>>37258954
>where the Democrats and RINOs form the ruling majority

Good lord I'm definitely voting in the midterms because I cant can't believe Republicans are this fucking stupid and running this country.

>>37261994
Socialist, you absolute retard.

>>37262060
>he is a socialist not a communist you retard
haha, imagine actually saying this unironically.

>>37262104
I'm Anonymous. Why would I need to use irony?
You need more fish in your diet.

>>37258879
I'm pretty anti-Trump but I've never disliked him (his supporters can be literal retards though) and when he got elected I thought "maybe this isn't a bad thing, he's kind of a thinks-outside-the-box maverick" but, man, he looked kind of freaked out the next day sitting next to Obama, was all *hugs* with HRC, and is just bumbling from one crisis to another, now I actually feel kinda sorry for him, I think he's a decent man but I've heard being a mayor to a small city can be frustrating, I can't imagine what being president with NO POLITICAL EXPERIENCE must be like, 70 years old, fast food and steaks, gets only about 4 hours sleep a night, plus all his horrible choices, e.g. Sean Spicer??! What was he thinking? Inarticulate, squeaky voiced, belligerent, that was STUPID, and that's just one of MANY fucked up decisions, I'm American before anything so I want things to go well for this country, hopefully he'll get his act together

>>37261901
I didn't realize Scandinavian countries were the only ones to successfully implement socialist programs. And yes, it can definitely work in the US. We have all the wealth needed to make it work, the only reason the general population is against it is because of ego, or "crabs in a bucket" mentality. It speaks volumes on how much Americans hate each other.

>>37261997
because then you'd have even more companies and investors move out of the US or take their business elsewhere

>muh gibbs, its so simple why stoopid americans dont do that

I'm not even American, I live in the most heavily taxed area in North America and education is utter shit

>>37262122
I eat exclusively fish and soy.

>>37261901
This. European countries dont even have enough sandnigger rapefugees to be compared to the US yet, which is maybe 60% white. Their social welfare programs WILL fail, but not until their white population goes down more.

>>37262147
>I didn't realize Scandinavian countries were the only ones to successfully implement socialist programs

Well now you know. And for the record, it's because they're crazy wealthy (or were)

>It speaks volumes on how much Americans hate each other.

Maybe if it wasn't a """""melting pot"""""

but no, socialism has other problems besides muh freedom. It breeds weakness and kills ambition

>>37262186
Prove this.

>>37262173
The "rich will move away unless we give them tax cuts" argument. We're not even talking about business taxes, you drooling retard. The richest Americans are taxed the least. The last thing they need is even more tax cuts paid for by gutting the US treasury.

How about this: return tax levels to the Reagan era. You have no objections, right? St. Reagan.

>>37262188
I get all my expertise from /pol/ memes: the post.

>>37262239
>implying the rich don't already move their funds offshore
revolution when

>>37262210
He meant that you were wrong. You are not smart enough to understand that every developed nation minus America has what you would call "socialist healthcare".

>>37262210
>but no, socialism has other problems besides muh freedom. It breeds weakness and kills ambition
Such a hollow statement. What does "It breeds weakness" even mean? You realize humanity isn't living in caves anymore, right? There's something called "Civilization"? You afraid that because some people now have healthcare and can go to a doctor that society is going to collapse because of laziness? This is either bait (and if it is, good job because it's subtle) or it's just one of the many dumb things I've heard spouted from an ignorant American.

>>37262259
You already tried with Bernie. It was squashed by the ruling powers.

>>37262252
Someone posted something vaguely right wing that I disagree with so I'm going to call it /pol/ because it's the easiest thing to do: the post

>>37262272
it's time to get evil

>>37262274
Do you have any facts to back up your statement? Didn't think so. But go ahead, post an Alex Jones link, that's fact enough for you.

>>37262239
I know you were talking about income tax, that changes nothing.

fuck Reagan

>still assuming I'm an American

>>37262286
you retards want gun bans.

your jewish masters would disarm you before you even tried to arm yourself.

>>37262147
>get wonderful socialist college degree
>jobs don't start growing on trees, unemployment stays the same

>get wonderful socialist healthcare
>die in waiting room

>>37262173
thank u. Is that LeafLand ur talking about?

>>37262264
>>37262270
Go away child, adults are talking. Socialism is not synonymous with free healthcare

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>>37262309
THE POWER OF DARKNESS
REVEALS TO ME YOUR SIN
IT ROTS IN YOUR CARCASS
IT CRUSHES THE LIGHT WITHIN

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>>37262210
Not true btw. Pretty much all of western Europe has socialist systems that have greatly improved the quality of life. It's not exclusive to Scandinavia by any means. It's weird though that Americans hate themselves so much they actually fight against their own interests. I hope you're on your parent's plan or you have a decent job, otherwise if you break your leg you'll have no way to pay for that $2000 emergency room visit.

>>37262326
Good post, good argument. Glad to see your engaging in the conversation and adding something of substance. This is the kind of high quality posting that keeps the site alive.

>>37262360
It's true. Can you believe that socialism entails more than muh free doctor

But if you insist, I could tell you about the number of people who suffer or die from waiting periods in my country which has socialized healthcare

not everyone is entitled to this shit. I'll take a driven, growing society over an equal one, because contrary to popular belief, equality is not just a pipe dream, it's a nightmare in practice

>>37258945
I honestly don't care if he has ties to Russia. What I care about is him using his authority as President to meddle with the investigation. It doesn't matter if the investigation was completely bogus and he was above the board, he doesn't get to make that call. And there's pretty solid evidence for obstruction right now.

>>37262403
>Can you believe that socialism entails more than muh free doctor
Yes. There's more to socialism than universal healthcare. There's already socialist systems implemented in the US that have nothing to do with healthcare (But don't tell Americans that, otherwise the bad word will trigger them). Do you think that roads, public libraries, police and sewage systems all just sprang up one day out of nowhere?

>But if you insist, I could tell you about the number of people who suffer or die from waiting periods in my country which has socialized healthcare
Why do you assume that it's because of free health care that people die waiting? Because more people are going to the doctor? What's your alternative, them just dying out of sight with no healthcare at all? Sounds like a problem with the way your system has been setup and manged by the government, not with the idea of universal healthcare.

>>37259999
I'm a hardcore trump supporter and I'm still happy with my vote and how things have been going. I'm mainly happy with how assmad he's making Dems, and I know it's gonna take time for him to follow up on his promises.

But, if this is something that Trump comes out and openly promotes or allows to pass through, and he doesn't oppose it, I'll fucking march with the SJW normies screaming at me for being a white male to stop this.

>>37262485
>any amount of tax-funded government spending is socialism!
>accuses me of making hollow, meaningless statements

>What's your alternative, them just dying out of sight with no healthcare at all?

Yes. Weed out the weak and make way for those with the means to get healthcare, which is the vast majority of the population.

>Sounds like a problem with the way your system has been setup and manged by the government

Unless you live in the aforementioned Scandinavian countries, which have an insane amount of resources relative to their population, socialized healthcare is always lower quality than the alternative. There's no way around it. If you feel the upper middle to upper class has to make sacrifices for those less fortunate, your priorities simply don't match that of imperialist America

>>37262550
>I'm mainly happy with how assmad he's making Dems

This is the only unifying sentiment among trumpfags. They are actually proud to have shitposted irl with their voting rights. Shitvoting. They are pleased as punch and think that they are making America 'great' like it needed their help. West coast secession soon I hope

>>37262630
>West coast secession soon I hope

So do I. Regardless of my not liking Trump, I wish Californians would fuck off

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>>37262604
>The term socialism refers to any system in which the production and distribution of goods and services is a shared responsibility of a group of people
So yes, my examples are indeed socialist in nature. I don't know if you're just ill informed or baiting but whatever.
>Yes. Weed out the weak and make way for those with the means to get healthcare, which is the vast majority of the population.
Oh wow you were just baiting, or you're 15, or you're retarded (Or maybe all of the above). Like I said above, Americans hate both themselves, and other Americans. Lovely country you have there. I hope you realize that even if you're serious, that determining who is 'weak' and who isn't by if they have healthcare or not is just extremely stupid. Let's say I'm some middle class American 20 year old. I did absolutely nothing worthwhile in my entire life except go to school and jack off to hentai. Apparently now I'm considered 'strong' simply because I was lucky and I'm on mommy's and daddy's plan. Huh, really makes u think...

>>37262806
>MUH BLACK AND WHITE

Your examples are socialistic, buddy. Your advocating of socialistic reform doesn't make you a communist any more than my being against it makes me in favor of aristocracy. Get your head out of your ass and stop arguing about asinine shit

>Still thinks I'm American

>Let's say I'm some middle class American 20 year old etc.

It doesn't make you strong, it means you have value to some extent. Either your parents value your well-being or society values the contributions you make. If not, you'll just end up homeless.

>Americans hate both themselves, and other Americans

No, but you certainly hate Americans, because they as a country have had far more success than your own. Deep down you know that left-wing politics are not the end-all solution to everything and that scares you

>>37262959
>No, but you certainly hate Americans, because they as a country have had far more success than your own
The rich sure, they've greatly profited off of abusing Americans and their ignorance of the world. And what do you mean successful? Sure, it's a wealthy country with an unmatched influence and it has definitely contributed to to science, art and technology, but it's a shit place to live in for the average person compared to other western countries. Sorry you live in some South American shithole, but not every country is as fucked as yours

>voted for Trump for his foreign policy
>he flipped that shit on it's head
Bastard.
At least the election was fun as fuck, and the liberal tears the months afterwards.

>>37263089
I live in the most "progressive" province in Canada with socialized healthcare and inexpensive education. I'm also lower class (I was raised in a household with an annual income of 20k CAD) and going to college despite having never worked in my life. Right now I'm paying it off the money I "saved" from birthdays and Christmas for the past 10 years (am 20). I'll be good for at least another year before I run out, but I won't, because it's inexpensive as shit and my parents will have no problem supporting me. Do you think I'm happy with all this? Do you not think I would have had more incentive to work had I been an American, and I would have done so as soon as I was old enough?

>it's a shit place to live in for the average
>you mean if you want a decent education and a decent living you have to earn it? What is this fucking fascism??!!

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Here's a view on this from an foreigner who paid attention for some time. How accurate is this looking?
1/2
>Before going on the Campaign trail, Hillary Clinton said that if she were president, she would wage open war on Russia
>Hillary goes on the trail after nearly 40 years of developing connections who bury Clinton's open disdain for Russia as best they can
>Uses those connections to oust Bernie Sanders as the Democrat candidate

>Trump comes up out of nowhere possibly off the back of a "celebrities read mean tweets" video featuring Obama
>Suddenly wants to mend bridges with Russia
>4-word slogans his way into becoming the Republican candidate

>Trump is a problem for Clinton's campaign, and for her connections
>Suddenly every newspaper is running a Trump smear campaign
>Trump's rhetoric and 4-word slogan appeals to mid-west states where every town is an undeveloped shit-hole that could cease to exist if the local mine shuts down
>Clinton attempts to win votes by demeaning Trump supporters as racists, sexists, and bigots
>Now anyone who openly supports Trump is a monster in the media

>Trump wins, thanks to those shit-hole states, Bernie bros who despised Clinton and the "silent majority"
>Media outlets are shitting themselves
>Even Trump seemed shocked this may have been a publicity campaign to build his brand over all
>Clinton's connections panic and blame the results on "Russian hackers" but withhold all their "evidence" because it's "classified information"
>Scraping the bottom of the barrel, they are convinced by a /pol/tard that they can fabricate a story about Trump hiring prostitutes to piss on a bed in a hotel room in Russia
>After some blundering media appearances, Trump suddenly, mysteriously, decides to flip his policies like in OP's pic
>Stories provided by Clinton's connections become less frequent
cont.

>>37263299
>Before going on the Campaign trail, Hillary Clinton said that if she were president, she would wage open war on Russia
I think that's a meme. Killary the warhawk and all that shit. Don't get me wrong, there's legitimate reasons to dislike her, but that's not one of them.

>Uses those connections to oust Bernie Sanders as the Democrat candidate
Butthurt Bernie bros upset their candidate lost the nomination. Nothing changes the fact that he just didn't get close to a majority of the popular primary vote.

Other than that looking good so far, although you're skipping the fucking FBI stepping in and dropping an October Surprise.

>>37263299
>>4-word slogans his way into becoming the Republican candidate

He made promises to the working class, and the working class believed him because the Democrats have been worthless for several decades

>>37263410
Honestly, it started to look like a fucking circus at that point, so I'll keep the second bit brief.

>>37263299
2/2
We now get to more recent Trump presidency nonsense.
>Suddenly, Trump blurts out sensitive information to visiting Russian officials
>This is again "classified" and not available to the public
>Trump now a suspected Russian agent or something if there's a narrative being run here, no one seems to be able to keep it consistent
>Trump fires the head of the FBI out of nowhere
>Trump gave him one chance to keep his job by swearing loyalty to Trump DIRECTLY

From these last few points alone, it seems that Clinton's connections are doing their hardest to get Trump out of office. He wanted the ex-head of the FBI on his side and failed to obligate him with threats.
He won't be impeached. He'll suddenly have a reason to resign as president, then you idiots will be stuck with President Pence, who will seem like a good little dindu muffin compared to Trump, no matter what he does. You'll have swapped out a narcissistic retard for a dark lord of the Sith.

>>37263453
Looks about right, although I wouldn't say the blurting is sudden. You've checked his twitter, right? He has no impulse control at all.

>>37263505
There was a twitter fad back when he started changing his policies to retweet shit he said that was the opposite from 4 or more years ago.

Maximum keks were had as these old tweets often predicted the outcome of Obama's policies being world war 3 or massive economic downturn.

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It was kinda fun to see roasties crying at his inauguration and imagine we might see a more isolationist foreign policy. I think deep down I knew the Jews owned his ass, though. They bet on all the horses.

I supported him at first, but I kind of came out of my /pol/ phase before election day, I just didn't want to admit my mistake. I became a bit of a leftist afterwards and now I've just withdrawn from politics completely. It is a waste of time and no change comes from anything except from social uprisings. I just want to stay comfy and watch anime in my room.

>>37263668
Even if you had voted for Clinton, you would have regretted it. Even normies could see that Clinton represented corruption in the political system while Trump represented corruption in society.

>>37263668
>supported Trump then became leftist

sounds like you didn't understand what you were supporting and you were only looking for the feeling of belonging

>>37258879
He went more kike than i wanted. But still he probably wont be as overt as hillary.

Wondering if hillary winning would have been better to bring on the much needed civil war

>>37263715
This. I went from Bush supporter to leftist, but it took me close to a decade and requires me to go through some shitty life-changing experiences.

>>37262049
Okay look, fucking retards who don't vote in midterms is what caused this mess. They're the type of people who bitch for 4 years, but can't be bothered to come out of the woodwork for a fucking midterm election.
>omg republican majority they're gonna kill us gays and nigs and nothing we can do (pls like and reblog)
It's like these people haven't done anything politcal their whole lives, which is sad because a ton of them are well over 20.

>>37264033

Kinda funny. I used to be a Leftist. Then I started to get disgusted by what I saw. The girl who filmed her own abortion, the college students protesting speeches by Middle Eastern human rights activists for being "Islamophobic", the people encouraging children to become transsexuals, etc.

>>37264259
this

That's how I started reading up on actual critics of left-wing politics. You know, published authors

I knew he is a blithering idiot but hoped he could do one or two things nobody else had the balls to. Unfortunately he failed, like at pretty much everything else. More than anything I wanted to see him stand up to China and recognize Taiwan to piss them off.

>>37264673

>More than anything I wanted to see him stand up to China and recognize Taiwan to piss them off.

It's just baffling to me that we're supposed to not only put up with a 300 billion dollar trade deficit but we have to kowtow for the privilege of having our markets flooded with their cheap(often toxic) goods by pretending Taiwan isn't a thing.

>>37258879

It is so, so sweet to see so many people here and on /pol/ getting buyer's remorse over electing this bumbling fucking retard. It's like, we all knew you were dumbasses but now you finally get to realize it for yourselves.

How do Trump voters who still support him even rationalize it to themselves anymore? I seriously think most of the people who still express support for him only do it because they don't want to deal with the shame of admitting they were idiots for voting for this dumb fuck.

>>37264814

A lot of people aren't really voting based on ideology/issues. It has more to do with how well they like the candidate. Or whether they're a status quo candidate or a change candidate. Hillary, with her aloof attitude and decades of baggage was definitely the wrong person to send up against a fiery political outsider promising to turn the system on its head.

Also, the whole alt-right/alt-lite phenomenon is basically identity politics for white people. The media has been openly hostile to whites over the past few years. It shouldn't be a surprise they closed ranks and voted together like a minority group would.

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>>37258879
>He actually believed it

172th for Trump is an Israelite goypawn

>>37258879
Nothing has really happened, the former steak salesman is gonna flop around like this for the rest of the four years and lose in 2020 provided the DNC doesn't pick another clintonite. They probably will though.

>>37265020
That was fucking obvious from the start. The president in recent history who stood up the most against Israel's bullshit was Obama.

>>37265052

He worshipped the Tribe in other ways. Gaddafi had a national bank with a gold standard and was going to expand it throughout Africa. The Jews didn't like that one bit and we helped depose him.

I hated HUD engaging in weird social engineering. They built a bunch of Section 8 duplexes in my sleepy hometown and a bunch of ghetto apes from Chicago were placed there. We had gas station robberies for the first time since the 80's.

>>37259430
Non roastie here. Are you retarded? Why would I have thought it a good idea to take Trump/Pence over her? Look at where we are.

>>37259430

We are literally on the verge of WWIII, with political violence rapidly becoming the norm in our society, and you have the nerve to ask why someone would have voted for someone who would have prevented this.

L

O

L

>>37265573

>Hillary would have prevented this

Yeah, using Russia as a boogeyman and invading Syria wouldn't have had unforeseen consequences...

>>37258879
>Surely the billionaire Republican candidate really cares about us poor unemployed people, amirite pol? XD

>>37258879
2345678987656789D chess, you fucking casual

>>37264936
>The media has been openly hostile to whites over the past few years
no they haven't it's just a weird internet myth among unhappy white boys who want to join the race of vying for victimhood

>>37265573
We're not on the verge of WWIII, there will be no WWIII. It's just an apocalyptic fantasy, there's no actual incentive for anyone to engage in such a thing. It's unrealistic and outdated. The conditions that lead to that level of conflict are not present. US and Russian troops can literally be shooting at each other in the middle east and it won't make WWIII

>>37264814
They only consume media sources which paint him in the best possible light and ignore all his gaffes. Which is getting to be hard now that Fox is starting to realize they fucked up.

>>37258926
No, fuck hillary she was worse in every single way