Whats the big secret we are missing? >junkies have gfs >gaymers

failure to accept oneself

easy as that

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There's no way all of us on here are the same type of person

But there must be some underlying reason all of us are where we are

What the fuck is it?

>>37257606
You like to wallow in your failures and refuse to change. You want the world to adapt to your needs, but it will not.

>>37257571
>gaymers
>gfs
heh

lack of self esteem

thread over

>>37257606
right above you, superjackass

>>37257606
We don't try. That's it. Take /fit/ for example. They check enough boxes, most are at least somewhat competent, but tfw no gf is rampant. Why? It is because they do not try or talk to girls. You could be the best pilot in the world but what does that matter if you have no plane to fly in? There is no way to form a connection with someone other than talking with then

>>37257606

This is the point.

We are all a bit different. Look at the daily routine thread.

What unites us as pathetic human?

>>37257571
You have no fucking idea how to behave around girls and how to talk to them. You dont have enough friends and dont have a circle of close friends that can help you with this shit. You also lack confidence or cant fake it well enough.

>>37257658
This. Thread over.

Also the fact that you hate, fear and despise women doesn't help. But there are plenty of stupid women out there who don't know what's good for them, and you could still date them.

>>37257647
>>37257625
>>37257589
Valiant efforts, but wrong answer.

>>37257571
Holy shit, this isn't even a love you lose thread.

>>37257678
>You also lack confidence

That's because I have nothing to be confident about. Any positive attribute about me, someone else will have in greater amounts. Why should that girl date me when she can do much better?

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>>37257658
yep I actually often avoid women who approach me in a friendly way. I don't know whether that makes me more or less of a robot than the ugly manlet who actually tries

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>Take looks out of the equation

Dumbfuck! Attraction is based off of three things

>Looks
>Money
>Status

pic related

> gaymers have gfs
Uhh I'm 21 NEET play video games 24 7 and never had a gf.

Am I doing something wrong ?

>>37257571
its genetic
we are failures
thats thwe way mother natue ensure to cull thars like us from the genetic pool
me 24KV, steady job, no gf, lack of social skills

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>>37257571

Don't forget that MtF trannies have gfs aswell

Robots are in their heads too much = long silences --> bad body language --> makes you look and act unfriendly

Solution: robots must get out of their heads and express what is on their minds directly

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>>37257571
>>37257606

It's just a gathering place for people that feel like garbage, a lot of whom feel like garbage due to poor success with women. It's a fallacy to think there's one underlying reason for us all; that'd be like wondering what the underlying reason is that everyone is at a park on a sunny day. You can say "the sun" like how you'd say "women," but it's myriad: playing frisbee, walking the dogs, picnic, hanging with friends, etc etc.

Some are here because they fucking suck at talking, some hate women, some have low self-esteem, some are just weird, whatever.

You know I'm bummed that r9k is so hateful toward itself, and honestly I see this in real life. I'd go to self help groups and there's no desire from anyone to connect and uplift; it becomes a stage for people to grandstand about how bad their problems are and to hate on others in an attempt to make themselves feel better.

I love talking shit, but man it's so stupid that we could help each other but instead we bring each other down all, the, fucking, time.

Only other option is the wimpy-ass comments you get on reddit that mean jack shit

>>37257571
Stop asking what you're missing and go talk to girls.
That is the secret Anon.

>>37257755
That mentality is slowing you down, leave it. Try lifting too.

It's because that's all you're looking at. Don't focus on that. Such things happen from chance. Find something you're passionate about. Clean yourself up. You'll be surprised what happens when you don't expect it.

1. We have to acknowledge the importance of physical traits, money, and status, 3 things most robots lack. Yeah these aren't everything, yeah you can compensate, and yeah CONFIDENCE! But this idea that girls are entirely passive and guys have to do ALL the work is just wrong. If you are attractive enough girls WILL come you. It even happened to me and I'm a 24 yo KV neet, I just happen to be cute on a good day.

2. Our attitudes aren't conducive for being attractive to woman, we are just too negative. Insecurity, low self esteem, doubt, all these we take with us whether we realize it or not, and it effects our actions and the way we deal with people. People say girls love confidence like its good news, but we are truly some of the most broken self hating pussies on the net, we are years from being anything close to confident.

3. Probably the biggest one, not trying, but why would a ugly loser with no confidence try to hit on girls? And even if we did, it wouldn't matter much because of 1 and 2.

>>37257950
Literally this

End of thread

>>37257658

>want to talk to girl
>if not chad have to put in 110% of the effort
>have to initiate conversations
>generally get one word answers
>she'll never talk to you unless you talk to her first

most likely the problem is you simple aren't out there trying
junkies hang out with other people all the time, bound to find a girl eventually
same for gamers who go to cons and lan parties and shit
same for autistic fuckwits who just talk to any girl they see about anything

they all go out and do things where there are women talk to them. eventually they find a gf

if you did the same, played the number game that is mating, you'd find a gf too. no fucking way all 3.7 billion women on the planet will refuse you.

>>37257976
Probably the most 'real' post ive seen on this board in quite some time.

>>37257976
Good post breh

Orgee

1. Be attractive
2. Don't be unattractive

If you don't have a gf, you are either an autist or you aren't hot

>>37257571
Women are individuals, there is no pick up line, certain bread and butter approach to get women
Even if they think a bit different on their core they are as simple as we are, they want happiness, fulfillment and companionship
They have their behavioral flaws just like we do, they can be assholes just as much as we can, they can be cruel, they can be loving, they live just like we do
Once you stop treating them as "women" and just treat them as another self sentient entity you will start to see improvement in your interactions with them, Chad gets away with treating them as piece of meat because they are willing to trade dignity for a piece of Chad's sweet ass

>Why can't we?
Because we treat women as enigma while in reality they are bipedal ape 2.0's with some differences in physical and mental settings

Try to treat them like a friend you would like to copulate with, let her subtly know your intentions and see if you get any back echo, women like to be subtle so try to see the hints, this can create misunderstandings but it's just how things are

Personally i haven't find any women worth the effort it would take to court them, i know im no catch myself but ill rather be alone than settle for juvenile mind in adult body

>>37258686
Woman are children, they aren't for serious conversations or deep thoughts. Just put children in them and tell them you love them and make them feel safe.

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>>37258104
How do I get into this game though? I can't do activities with more than 3 persons or I get overwhelmed because autism and I am far too ugly for online dating.

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>>37257571
>he doesn't know about the secret hookup site for autists

>>37258686
>ersonally i haven't find any women worth the effort it would take to court them, i know im no catch myself but ill rather be alone than settle for juvenile mind in adult body

Same. Its one thing to get laid, but to find a quality gf is an entirely different story, and the amount of effort it takes for guys like us to even get a trashy girl makes it not even worth it.

>>37257589
Probably this coupled with the ability to pursue a woman

>>37258732
Lol that idea could actually sell, im stealing that idea and making a buck out of lonely aspies cheers Anon

>>37258739
Ill probably end up dating some no nonsense highly successful woman because i ain't afraid of no spooks and i am actually quite likeable, also my mom said im handsome once before she a terrible coughing fit

>>37257997
I do lift, but all it's gotten me is out of being a DYEL and into someone more normal. Still nothing compared to the most fit and aesthetic people out there. Don't get me wrong, its done wonders for my mental health, but I'm still very far away from being a person worthy of love.

>>37257571
The question is what we are not missing
The answer is autism

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>>37257998
>jus b urself man XDDDDDDD
This is a lie, it is true if you can already get girls then doing this will raise your value, but you have to have access to begin with.

Honestly this.Life completely turned around once I got over this.

>>37257571

I'm literally dead inside and am also very boring. I feel like a eskeleton wearing human skin. I guess women don't like eskeletons it seems.

>>37258883

You might be unto something. Maybe autism removed all the natural social instinct "software" that works normally with other people. Maybe it's not autism, just run of the mill shit genes and we're all beta~omega males or whatever.

>>37257998
No. This shit doesn't happen out of nowhere. You have to vehemently look. This isn't Welcome to the NHK, Misaki isn't going to show up at your door one day.

>>37257571
because you arent out going or and friendly. There are people in every sub group who are extroverted and good at talking to people and you're not one of those people you fucking idiot no one loves you because youre a fucking pussy society has no value for pussys you dont help anyone else move forward much less yourself if we where a tribe of hunter gatherers you would be the weakling and women wouldnt sleep with you because you would be afraid to kill the animals and you wouldnt bring much meat home and yea you can go lift weights and shit but really that doesnt matter anybody can lift weights up and put them down its so simple and uncomplicated it doesnt make you a man also you are probably short and no one loves a short man and plus you have a tiny dick which probably bleeds into your daily life just the thought in the background of your mind that your dick and you yourself are inferior to every man really brings you down and effects your social interactions on a basic level

>>37259179
>You have to vehemently look. This isn't Welcome to the NHK, Misaki isn't going to show up at your door one day.

Not at your door, but just while you're living life. I've had cashiers come onto me several times just because I had to leave the house to gather neet snacks.

>>37259378
What gas station are you going to where there are qt girls and not pajits?

>>37259392

Oh they weren't qt, if they were I would have fucked them.

>>37257571
I've come to accept that even though I'm alright looking and fairly good in social situations, the reason I don't have a gf is because I'm a shutin who would rather stay home than do much of anything else. Even when I had a job I would still just go straight home and stay home whenever I had spare time. Hell finding a gf would probably just be another chore instead of anything helpful anyway.

I don't regret this life style.

>>37258046
3 sums up my life
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>>37258104
>no fucking way all 3.7 billion women on the planet will refuse you.
You'd think that

>>37257571
>autists at uni have gfs

Ummm no sweetie, I'm pretty sure there was a study saying that the more likely someone will attend an Ivy League university, the more likely they've had no sexual experiences whatsoever.

The 80/20 rule exists at the tertiary education level more than any other place in life.

>>37258046
All of this.
>People say girls love confidence like its good news, but we are truly some of the most broken self hating pussies on the net, we are years from being anything close to confident.
Especially this. I so wish girls would be looking for looks as much as men, it would be so easy to find a gf then, just work out and eat well.
Instead, looks are just a little aspect of the equation, unlike for women who can just look pretty and get chad.

>>37257625
You don't understand what it means to be a robot and you don't care to. Just fuck off.

The delimiter to people being lost in life and beaten down by other people is not "Them just not picking their socks up enough"

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>>37259758
Well I know some turboautists at my university that got girlfriends. I still have no idea how these people do it as their social skills are probably far worse than the average KV robot. I think being an extroverted autist is better than being an introverted cyborg or even robot.

>>37259729

Hes right, but there have been cases of guys putting in massive effort and still failing. Some guys are just at a big disadvantage when it comes to getting laid.

>>37259815
Oh yeah, definitely. Being an extrovert makes it much easier, even if you're a massive autist. No one ever cares about the ugly dude that never talks.

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You guys are all so fucking right.

In this 5 minutes I've read this thread, I've learned a lot about myself.

Anon was right. I just think all day - I'm stuck in my own head. Could it be due to being on the spectrum? Who knows, but I don't express myself at all. I only realize this when I'm drunk. If you are an outgoing drunk, get drunk with whatever friends you have and see how much you change.

>>37257658
This anon is right, too. I don't try. How the fuck am I going to expect to get a girlfriend if I don't fucking talk to women? I just sit here and complain about not having one, but if I really, really wanted one I''d suck it up and go and talk to girls.
>>37258046
Is right too. I'm so fucking negative. All I do when I talk with friends is talk about the shitty things in life, I get jealous over friends getting sex/gfs and spite them in my head for it. Why can't I just be positive about things?

>>37259777

Yes, any decent looking guy is ruined if he has beta traits. You can get a makeover in one day, but destroying your inner beta takes a mountain of work.

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You think about it too hard. If you make it your sole purpose to live, you become desperate and desperation is not attractive.
You are also unable to love yourself. When you cannot love yourself, you sure as fuck cannot truly love anyone else and they will notice that. Keep telling yourself otherwise, repeat the same mistakes over and over again until you die or just accept the fact that you need to get your shit together before you even think of slamming your shit against someone else's shit.

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>>37257571
Nofap.

I'm serious.

Human beings are the product of billions of years of evolution all refined for the purposes of passing on their genes. Literally every being in your lineage going back to microbes have found a way to reproduce.

This has been circumvented given the information age where an endless sea of hi-def depictions of human copulation is available seconds away. People masturbate whenever they feel a lack of human connection (which can be multiple times a day) and as a result their body figures they're Genghis Khan and has no reason to ever transform them into an outgoing individual.

Masturbation is the key to all of this.

>>37259835
I'm not even ugly, nor do I never talk. Fuck this.

>thinking there's a "secret"
If there was a secret it's that you're just deluded into thinking there's a secret.

>>37259926
Posts like this are why you will die alone.

>>37259926
bullshit, I did nofap noporn for 5 months and it did absolutely nothing.

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>>37259926

I NEED TO STOP FAPPING BUT I FUCKING LOVE IT SO MUCH

You know you're a beta when you're @ work or a social setting and all you want to do is go home and load up porn, spread your legs and jerk off. I fucking love it. I live for it, almost. Just like when I smoked weed I ancitipated that late night bowl every fucking day.

>>37259961
It's mostly luck. Just cross your fingers.

>>37259926

I always tell this story but when I was locked away in the loony without porn or vidya hitting on girls was the only outlet for me and it was surprisingly easy. Once I got out I fapped to some girl I met in there who did a bangbros scene, haven't hit on a girl since.

>>37259979

What about fapping while high? Almost as good as sober sex

>>37259974
That's because it's just the latest incarnation of bogus self help garbage. It's no different than meditation or chanting mantras or whatever. The scientific basis for nofap is this: if you don't masturbate your T levels steadily increase and then spike after 7 days, then fall off to normal after that. That's it. But you see these guys who insist it basically gives them superhuman willpower or whatever. It's just placebo effect. They are convinced it changes them, so they act as if they are changed. That simple. They just needed a crutch to stop being a piece of shit.

>>37260011
Don't remind me. It's probably the greatest feeling I've ever felt. I can't wait for the day where I finally get a gf and have sex with her when we're both high.

Coming right out of a steaming shower, smoking a bowl and sticking it in a warm pussy would make me cum instantly.

>>37259979
The pathetic thing is you just revealed you have a weak, addict mindset and yet you keep externalizing the problem onto your habits. People can smoke weed or masturbate without it being a problem, it's only a problem for you because you have no self control.

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>>37257976
I love you man. Please be my Discord friend (or real friend, given the logistics allow this), so we can enjoy ourselves.

I'm not shitting, we should have a coffee or something.

>>37260012

>needlessly spilling my life creating liquid won't have an effect on me

I'm just saying man, everything has a price, and I doubt nonstop awesome orgasms are totally free.

>>37257976
I wish l was your friend

In my experiences my friends that are more robot than me and physically lower tier get gfs because they allow theirself get cucked, their gfs use their money and cars and they wont say a word in fear of losing them. When i try to ask my friends in a sneaky way why their gfs use their money and cars and houses they pretend that they dont know what im talking. So the reason for not getting gf is being redpilled (aka not getting cucked) and no contact in women

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>>37260012
>your T levels steadily increase and then spike after 7 days, then fall off to normal after that. That's it.
Yes, that's it. And testosterone is basically the coefficient with how much you're able to do and how well you're able to do it.

It's not bogus. I forgive you for believing that. It's miraculously effective.

>>37260051
Whatever makes you feel like you have control of your life, my dude. You'd get the same effect by just deciding on your own to stop being a lazy piece of shit, but if you need some hokey mysticism to believe in then go nuts. It's worked for hundreds of years on losers exactly like you. People who can't accept their own failures and need something to lift them out of it. I understand people with your mindset very well, but I don't think I can ever empathize with you.

I rarely leave my bedroom and im neet.

>>37260075

Yeah this another thing to consider. Just because you got sex or a gf doesn't mean you got a good deal.

There are the guys like us who don't get any, but right above us are the cucks and guys fucking disgusting drug addict nigger fucking bitches.

>>37260082
Testosterone isn't magic. It doesn't magically give you the willpower to do anything. You don't turn into an ascendant ubermensch just because you don't touch your willy for 7 days. You have control of your life at all times, you are always responsible for your actions. If you were a lazy piece of shit last week but aren't one today, it's not because you focused your chi by not jacking off it's because you decided to stop being a fucking slob finally and needed an excuse to do it.

>>37260083

Look I'm not saying nofap is 100% legit, but I know in my personal experience I was always happier and more productive when I refrained from jacking off to porn, and most of the people who talk against nofap can't even do it for a week.

And its just common sense. Life is a bitch, when has anything nice not have a terrible downside? Is fapping the end of the world? No, but it can be abused like anything else.

>>37260083
Fuck off.

I am not incapable because I'm "just too lazy". I'm hardworking, intelligent, resourceful, versatile and selfless. Significantly more than other people. I'm incapable of functioning like a normal human being because I'm impaired by chemical imbalances.

A veteran with PTSD doesn't just need to "stop being a pussy" and act like he's completely normal during a fireworks show.

You may mean well but alluding that people that have struggled with being divorced from other human beings for their entire just need to "pull up their socks and stop being so lazy" is offensively stupid and disparaging.

>>37260142
Literally everything you just said has been used to justify astrology and other charlatanism.

>>37260043
I self loathe all the time, but I don't really have a problem. I can stop myself from smoking weed for years at a time, and I don't get truly addicted to anything.

>>37260152
Stopping masturbating won't fix any of those problems. In fact, blaming masturbation for those problems is exactly the kind of delusion I was talking about. You're externalizing your issues onto something else, something easy and manageable that you can effortlessly conquer and then feel like you've made a big change. Just like meditating, just like doing mantras. It doesn't take a lot of effort yet it lets you feel positive about yourself. Like I said, it's fine to give yourself confidence but you people are going full snake oil salesmen with this shit when it's nothing more than you changing a habit so you feel like you have control of your life.

>>37260105
I'm not wasting any more mental real estate on you. Just fuck off and go be an insufferable pseud on reddit where you can validate your own narcissism by knocking down imaginary strawmen.

Otherwise the people that want to use a conversation to produce something productive will keep talking about how to improve their lives.

>>37260100
Id honestly be without gf than have gf and be cucked, looking at my friend i dont ever want to be in his position and i wont

>>37257755
I have shit tons of confidence.

I'm confident as hell that I'm an unlovable loser. I'm confident that there is nothing within my power that can change that.

I'm confident that those two statements are only true for as long as I believe they are, but I'm too lazy to stop making those excuses.

I'm plenty confident.

>>37260205
You call me a pseud yet you post garbage like that image in your post, which is the height of pseudoscience. Not only is there absolutely no difference from day 8 and day 20 in testosterone levels, but the initial change in testosterone itself isn't even a big deal unless you believe it it be one. You are caught in a classic placebo effect and are too fucking deluded to realize it.

>>37257589
what the fuck does this normy meme even mean

>>37260192
No, really. I don't just need to "pull up my socks". I'm more resourceful and hardworking than the vast majority of people. Thanks for the advice though.

My issue really is that lack of testosterone makes me depressed and every conversation is like threading a needle.

>>37260192

Humans are creatures of habit, the outcome and quality of our lives are determined by our habits. Yeah one day spent not fapping doesn't mean much, but a month of nofap means hours of precious time not wasted tugging your dick in to pixels on a screen. In the long run its a big deal, and no matter how you look at it, fapping to porn isn't doing anyone any good.

>>37260233
It's cute how you don't even respond to what I write and just use your own straw-men arguments. I never once used an insipid phrase like "pull up your socks" or whatever the fuck that means. I told you straight up you're just deluding yourself into thinking you're not in control. You assign blame to things outside yourself but that you can manage so you can feel in control when you master them. It's classic external loci rationality.

>>37260229
Testerone is not a pseudo-science, sir.

I can't and won't force you to stop knocking people down with some vague platitude that entered your mind that makes you feel profound. Please though, just fuck off.

All of those 'types' that the OP has listed are basically "willing cucks", in other words - they're more outgoing and more willing to take the risk of being cheated on or eventually dumped, they're more willing to pander to women. They're less introspective and less avoidant.

Most of us are the types of people who think "too much" about things and avoid acting as a result... many of the consequences of this behaviour are negative, but frankly look at the relationships OBJECTIVELY that these guys get into... having to expend massive amounts of energy to keep some roastie loyal to them for as long as possible before inevitably failing and getting cucked\dumped.

Many of those guys are insensitive, stupid, or oblivious.

This place isn't only about not trying (to get girls). I am a girl. I don't want a relationship/sex. I want friends and a life, but I feel dead, I'm fat, my mind is fucked up becaue of abuse and I'm socially retarded.

>>37260221
Forgot to mention my friends gf asks my friend all the time "when will we get married" and my cuckold of a friend thinking its a good idea, in my eyes that whole bullshit is a fucking joke their "love" is love for his money and i bet if she cheats he will forgive her and the dumbass still wouldnt understand hes being cucked

>>37260261
Your "day 20" image is the definition of pseudoscience. I told you at the start: T levels hit max at day 7, then fall off hard. There is zero scientific benefit to no fap past day 7, if there can even be said to be a real benefit to it at all. For part of day 7 you'll enjoy a really nice T high. That's it. Oh, and unless you jack off after that, you won't hit that level of T again. Periodic masturbation is actually healthier than sustained no fap.

But by all means, continue believing not touching your penis gives you magic powers and infinitely scaling testosterone.

>>37257589
That and really the problem is the obsession with getting a gf in the first place...

I don't think the problem is the misogyny even because 1. It is normal to dislike things that cause suffering 2. Women actually like hate fucking...

>>37257625
That's not the real reason just a symptom but ok armchair psychologist...

>>37260291
>I am a girl.

I claim this fat bitch for myself!

>>37260304

Whoever said this you nigger, shill the fuck down. Every 7 days or so sounds like a good middle term anyway, yeah.

>>37260254
>I never once used an insipid phrase like "pull up your socks"
That would be called paraphrasing.

>I told you straight up you're just deluding yourself into thinking you're not in control.
Well you said it so that makes it true. No kind of substantial argument required.

>You assign blame to things outside yourself but that you can manage so you can feel in control when you master them.
That is a thing I'm doing, yes. I'm not doing it because it's more convenient for me.

The term "delusion" is strange because I only begrudgingly began to admit that nofap made any sense after straight months of anecdote. I'm also not sure why I would want to believe it.

You aren't not a pseud because you don't use big words. You're just jerking yourself off (NPI) because of some logical following that's barely applicable and I need to anchor to some kind of concrete statement before I can even begin arguing with it.

>>37260243
And who controls your habits? You do. If you want to cut out a habit then good for you. Cutting out a bad or wasteful habit is a sign of strong willpower. Jacking off isn't that bad of a habit all things considered, it won't drain your wallet like weed, cigs, or drinking at least. But if you're hurting that bad for free time and self confidence then by all means, cut it out if that's what it takes.

I'm just saying it doesn't give you magic powers.

>>37260012
This. Whatever works I guess. I just hate it when people start talking like its some fact. They don't realize that they are exactly like those people that go all "DUDE! YOU GOTTA START BELIEVIN' IN JESUS! IT'LL SOLVE ALL YOUR PROBLEEEEMS!"

It all starts in your head, sorting your shit out by whatever means necessary. If nofap reddit meme works for you and its what you believe works for you (key point, you believe it works when it doesn't actually do a damn thing), then just go for it.

>>37260351
>I'm just saying it doesn't give you magic powers.

You can't say that, I mean yeah you won't turn into a fucking super human, but some people get more benefits from staying away from certain vices than others. Some people just CANNOT drink or they will go off the deep end, some people can't smoke weed, and some people are just better off not jacking off regularly.

That's why you shouldn't go around telling people nofap is bullshit, and if it is let them find out for themselves, and when they realize they can't go a day they'll know they have a issue.

>>37260382
>You can't say that, I mean yeah you won't turn into a fucking super human, but some people get more benefits from staying away from certain vices than others. Some people just CANNOT drink or they will go off the deep end, some people can't smoke weed, and some people are just better off not jacking off regularly.
This is putting the cart before the horse again. The abstinence isn't doing anything special for them, it's just letting them live their life normally. The problem is they over-indulge and so are affected far worse by bad habits than most people. In their case abstinence is more important and essential for their lives, but is not "more effective". It's exactly as effective as it is for everybody else. It's just that their rock bottom is lower than yours.

>>37260012

You're badly misinformed, but this is typical of "anti nofap" people - firstly, you promote the idea that "nofappers" are cultish or mindless, which is a misrepresentation. Most nofappers simply say - to paraphrase "Hey, in my experience fapping is bad for me, at least according to my subjective experience of my own mental and physical states it harms me. Give it a try, because lots of other people have and they're found it improves their energy and makes them feel better". The position of "anti nofap" people is very much like that of people who're confronted with veganism - immediate accusations of "vegans are trying to FORCE their views on me! They're a cult!!! Help!"

Secondly, the "scientific basis" (now even most nofappers will say - there hasn't really been that much science done on this, much of the evidence is anecdotal or subjective, some studies support the notion, but only to a limited degree) is NOT simply based on T levels. It's based primarily on the issue of dopamine and dopamine depletion, and other hormones like Prolactin surging - also general arguments over wasted time, energy, and "physiological waste", like the fact that sexual pleasure and ejaculate 'cost' the body in terms of minerals, nutrients, hormones, etc.

Also, the '7 days' thing is based on one study from China. Not authoritative... but "anti nofap" people keep misrepresenting it too. It showed that T levels increased every single day after masturbation for 7 days and then suddenly peaked and returned to a base level, but the base level was above the original level and every day of increased T is an extra day of increased T! If you're masturbating once a day - that means your T levels are constantly low. We KNOW that T drops significantly after ejaculation and takes time to recover. So according to this study, masturbating daily IS going to mean lower levels of T to someone who masturbates weekly.

>>37260435
>The abstinence isn't doing anything special for them,
>it's just letting them live their life normally.

well I call that a fucking victory and a good enough reason to do nofap.

>>37260436
I'm not misinformed at all, you should probably read the entire conversation since you just retread a lot of it in your post. Also you seem to have not even read my post very carefully. You just confirmed what I said basically: nofap is just the latest self help craze, like meditation and mantras. These things aren't negative, they do have positive benefits, but people put way, way more emphasis on them than is really warranted and treat them like a magical solution to their problems. If you bothered reading the rest of the conversation you'd see that I'm highly skeptical of the T levels thing and any benefits it might have, because I see the entire thing as basically just the latest incarnation of "mind over matter" guruship. Everything you said just agrees with that assessment too. It's a big old placebo.

I don't think it's a bad thing people are bettering themselves, I just wish we could move past this embarrassing new age mysticism.

>>37260473
You need to understand the difference between something giving you positive effects and avoiding negative effects on your life. When you catch a cold you have a crummy few days of sneezing and coughing, but that's not your baseline. That's you+cold. Normal you is you-cold. It's not you+theraflu (or whatever medicine you take). If masturbation is some kind of serious problem for you then it's a negative thing impacting your life, that makes your life you+masturbation. Abstinence is you-masturbation. i.e. normal you. It's not you+nofap. You see?

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>>37257571
>being able to hold down a job
>not doing drugs
>not being part of a violent group

Lol r9k are full of bitter femen.

>>37260490

>nofap is just the latest self help craze, like meditation and mantras.

Meditation and mantras are things that people only attempt once they're instructed on them. In other words, the vast majority of people never sat down and meditated, let alone recited mantras - without first being introduced to these ideas externally. Most nofappers will tell you that in their experience, before they even heard the term - they felt a subjective connection between masturbation and feelings of low energy, depression, social anxiety, etc. Meditation is also a 1000+ year old practise, it's not really the "latest self help craze".

>If you bothered reading the rest of the conversation you'd see that I'm highly skeptical of the T levels thing and any benefits it might have...

I am responding to your emphasis on T levels. You're representing nofappers are overly focused on T. Some do focus on T levels, as as simplification, however most nofap content you'll find out there today focuses on the issue of dopamine and prolactin as well as Testosterone.

>I see the entire thing as basically just the latest incarnation of "mind over matter" guruship

But, is masturbation, especially masturbation utilising HD porn, really just a mental thing? No, it's primarily a physiological thing, a physical thing. You're almost reversing reality here. You're like those people who claim that eating isn't necessary because we only eat because of the mental perception that we need to. Masturbation has major physiological effects! Edging for hours on end, day after day to 4K pornography, has consequences!

You're 'skepticism' seems like chauvinism. Maybe it has no or little effect FOR YOU, but there are tens of millions of men who INDIVIDUALLY report from around the world similar subject experiences. To deny this or claim that they're being cultish is retarded. Most of them are pretty humble and willing to admit being unclear about exactly what they can and cannot attribute to it.

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>>37257571
>rapists have gfs and wives
>serial killers have gfs and wives
>child molesters have gfs and wives
Ree.

>>37257678
I have friends and female friends. I'm just ugly and short.

>>37260646

>let's call him `Henry` for reasons that are to become clear...

Where does it become clear? Why did the author settle on 'Henry'? Please explain.

>>37257658
but how the fuck am I supposed to do that fucking brainlet?

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>>37260646

Missing something there, son???

Hmmm, really makes me think...

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>>37257571
>What are we missing?
GFs

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>>37260100
>right above us are cucks
Do you seriously think a cuck is worth more than a robot? Jesus Christ.

>>37260230
This is all very correct and Im not sure Im willing to change, I probably dont care enough. Only thing I have is money and its the only thing I want more of. Money for the sake of money, will bring me happiness no doubts

>>37257571
lack of personality

>>37257571


Womens are basically mens and what really gets em going is confidence. As tubby 20 something virgin with gyno you can trust that I have terrible self esteem issues and also no friends and would rather be left alone.

Also junkies have drugs which women enjoy, wtf is a gaymer and I was definitely that uni autist, could count all my "friends" on one hand. Even still I was able to attract a female and if I was confident enough to remove my shirt around other people maybe something could've happened

We're ugly and angry

>>37257589
>>37257625

Typical vague normie bullshit "just bee yourself". Meaningless garbage and you know it. You're smirking away knowing that the real reason we don't get women is because we are not sexually attractive to women, which is why they reject us.

Go fuck yourself you lying normie filth.

>>37261283

And angry. Look at yourself

>>37257571
They all have shit-tier gfs that share the same problems (fellow junkies, etc.) as them.

if you're making a fucking thread asking why, well there's your answer you faggot.

Have some fucking confidence in yourself, and women will naturally be attracted to that.

Love yourself, my nigga.

>>37258807
Did it help you with the ladies?

>>37260707
Henry the fifth

>>37257571
>>37257606

It is a bit more convoluted of an issue that most people give it credit. To put it bluntly when everything you say and do are immediate redflags, forget getting a laid, you do NOT have a penis. You don't even exist.
Go ahead and try it if you are one of these incel types, cut out in the middle of a conversation and see how they react.

It is also way worse when you have all the fixings of a basement dweller, because women are fickle - not even intentionally either. They are selectors, and without a moment's contemplation they have already decided whether or not they are interested in you and they mentally blot out anyone who doesn't make the cut.
It's this fact that makes it so easy for them to forego common decency and dehumanize the kind of person they label "weird". You don't exist. You don't matter.

My advice, leave this place and build some goddamned self-respect and maybe you'll break through.

>>37257571
I have a gf and I'm on /r9k/ ;)

It's because you either approach women with romance in mind instead of friendship, or you don't approach them at all.
Try thinking of them as human, they seriously aren't that different from you.

>>37261600
they are much different

>>37261614
It's a facade. They feel like they have to act feminine, the same way men feel like they have to man up. Living with a woman opened my eyes to this, as the lines were blurred and I felt we were just two humans, not man and woman.

I'm starting to think I don't have a soul

>never had deeper friendships with people
>always just in passing/acquaintance
>have never had any passion for anything, don't enjoy anything
>every day is just killing time until I die

>>37257571
jest beeeeeee urself

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so the people who have solutions, do you all currently have GFs right now or are you single and just blowing smoke?

>>37257571
real autists don't go to uni
we're low-functioning autists here

>>37261752
>>have never had any passion for anything, don't enjoy anything
>>every day is just killing time until I die

Maybe that is why you never had a good friend, you are just a boring person. Your world is as rich and inviting as an empty cardboard box.

>>37261942
i've seen boring people with friends, this meme needs to be buried.

>>37257658
I used to try but after many a rejection I stopped giving a shit mostly, I still get tfw no gf sometimes

>>37261948
It ain't a meme if you have a robot that sees the world as one big time killing exercise, who complains of not having friends.

>>37257571
Fear and vulnerable narcissism.
That's all

>>37257818
False.
Hypergamy means women value looks as rather *low*.
Money, status, intelligence, humor, and ambition are much higher.

>>37257571
because we rarely leave our houses

>>37261908
I've had a girl any time I want one
girls are a massive waste of time and money tho

>>37261600
I'm confused, are we supposed to approach them as friends or are we supposed to make our intentions known after meeting them?

I always hear these two statements yet they appear to completely contradict each other. Either you end up as an orbiter or rejected.

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I'm a short ugly 5'3" manlet.

>>37257571
thats a hot girl(male)

holy fug how long into hrt is she(he)

>>37257571
You can either tolerate women or understand them. Personally I do the latter. I have no desire to be with women despite being sexually attracted to them, since they're the worst kind of people in general.

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>>37257658
Someone tell me HOW am I supposed to do this? Let's not even think about girls for now, just focus on making male friends for the moment. How the fuck are you just supposed to go up to random dudes and talk to them? They'll just look at you like you're a mental person. Not only that, but how are you supposed to judge just from looking at someone whether they're emotional investment? And this is just talking about making friends with dudes, when it comes to potential relationships with girls this whole thing becomes a hundred times worse. There's no way to train these social skills in isolation and then use them practically, you simply HAVE to do it first-hand so there's no possible way to avoid the humiliation.

>>37257571
>junkies have gfs
Yeah, and they're junkies
>gaymers have gfs
Yeah, and they're gamers
>autists at uni have gfs
Yeah, and they're students

See where I'm going with this? If you don't have a fucking social circle, how the hell do you expect to get to know someone?

>>37262727
Start with dudes. Hm, not a bad way to start. You don't just go up to random dudes. That'd be fucking weird. Friends arise naturally from being in common situations. You could try meetup.com and find a group with a shared interest. Chess clubs are still a thing and exist in almost every major city. You can volunteer your time to some charity. If a bunch of other socially awkward males bonding together is more your speed, find a comic book shop or other venue that hosts games of Magic the Gathering or WH40K.

>>37260105

>Testosterone isn't magic

Try blasting a gram of it per week and see if your opinion changes.
Greatest drug known to man and this generation is lacking it more than any generation before. We have half the levels men had 100 years ago.

Its like benzos with no negatives

>>37262761
This is so true. If you have at least three or four friends when you leave forced socialization (school and college) then you can easily meet more people just by knowing those people. Then the new people you've met can introduce you to others and so on. You might lose touch with some people but you have a steady stream of new meetings to make up for it. If you come out of school with no friends or with one friend who doesn't know anybody else, there's no way to expand your social circle any further. You're completely stuck with all paths to new friendships blocked off.
Pretty much all advice online about meeting new friends says stuff like "when you're at a party, try finding someone you have a mutual friend with". The people writing this stuff think they're writing step one, when they're really writing step thirty five or whatever. The reason there's no advice about making a social circle "from scratch" is because it's literally not possible.

>>37262727
this. How do i make friends /r9k/?

tfw i'm probably asking the wrong board.

>>37257606
>But there must be some underlying reason all of us are where we are
>What the fuck is it?
Little to no self worth, autism/aspergers, any other mental issue. Deep seated self hatred.

The list can go on, but those are probably the biggest ones.

Some people here are probably really attractive and don't even know it. I get told I'm "good looking" and get approached by girls, but something in the back of my mind will never let me think "people like me"

It's hard to accept that others might like you/have feelings for you if you can't even like yourself.

>>37257976
This too. Some people with low self esteem will just isolate themselves and develop a "me versus the world" mentality. Once it gets ingrained into your core, it's very difficult to unlearn it.

Advice sucks, I don't know anyone's life story and nobody knows mine so there's a lot of miscommunication. All I can say is find small things that make you somewhat happy and are at least a little productive (ie - not playing videogames or browsing 4chan) to give yourself some sense of value.

It's tough, and you might constantly think "what's the point?" - truth is, there is no point. But that's reason in and of itself. If there's no point, then why not at least try something different to make your situation a little different? We all end up the same anyway, it's what happens in between birth and death where you can actually have some control in your existence.

I met a guy at anime club in highschool and we became friends. Seems like we just naturally got along. I'm in some city with only 200k people and I have no car to leave. If I had a car, or there were events that interested me, maybe I could make friends.

>>37257571
we have little balls and lack aggression.

>>37257571
>What are we missing?
Action.

>>37258732
>he doesn't know that he can put his energy in to better things.

>>37260075
interesting theory you might be on to something because I am not willing to spend money on women because they are a really bad investment. women are a depreciating asset and their looks fade. if you understand economics 101 you would not be investing on women.

The big thing I was missing? Women don't like sad sacks. Nobody wants to be around someone who's always moping about how miserable he is or how awful the world is.

I'm lucky that I had one outright tell me I'm insufferable and she couldn't stand to be around me anymore rather than just slowly losing interest. It gave me the impetus I needed to actually change my ways.

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>>37257571
>Whats the big secret we are missing?
A total lack of drive and ambition

Where the fuck are the women who have also given up on living a fulfilling life? I need someone to wallow in mediocrity with desu

>>37261600
I am not interested in friendship and I am just going to cut them off if she rejects my romantic interests. I rather be straight forward so I don't waste my time and move on to the next girl.

>>37257571
I haven't interacted with another human being outside of work/purchasing food for at least 2 years.

I literally haven't said a word to anyone.

>>37257571
i only like skinny fit people and im in a country of fat fucks. ive had a 6pack for 10+ years, keeping myself in shape because i respect myself and want to be objectified by someone worth it.

im pretty smart and most people completely bore me or their personality annoys me. everyone i know contributes nothing to my understanding, its just me lecturing information that i look up. completely 1 sided conversations. so i get nothing out of 99% of people.

also doesnt help that i dont trust people and it takes a very long time before i become comfortable. by then they are gone. So in the rare situation i find a smart fit person that isnt already taken and stays around long enough for me to determine they are a quality person, they either never existed or disappeared.

humans are very disappointing. the few that arent are rare, to rare.
while my friends have girl friends, they are all ugly and fat and with personalities that would likely have me kick them out of a helicopter if left alone to long. in 10-20 years, they will be Obese disgusting shits that look twice their age.

... i guess i will still be healthy, still in shape, still smarter than them but without a wife and kids.
maybe i need to induce brain damage.

>>37263880
You already have brain damage friend, it's called autism.

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>>37257571
Why would you want a gf?


Someone constantly checking on you, never getting to be alone. Sounds like a nightmare tbf.

>>37263880
what country has that many fat fucks?

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>>37261600
>they seriously aren't that different from you.
they seriously are very much different from me

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>>37264429
america

>>37263919
unfortunately i dont have autism, im very good at reading other peoples emotions/expression. a result of a lying mother destroying my family, becoming to aware, to observant, very critical of people's intentions to the point where its hard to hide anything. a short time around peoples families and i can tell why they behave as they do. strips people of their novelty. im a terrible person to bring to a movie cause ill guess the ending 5 minutes in. ....public events feels like watching reruns of nature documentaries, as everyone behaves predictably. cant help but imagine them as mice in a skinner box.

im batman

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>>37257571
When was the last time you asked a girl out? Yeah that's what I thought fucking loser.

>>37263880
What part of the OP asked you to write a blog?

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>>37257606
How well do you identify with this?

You people are all clones of me.

>>37257571
>>37257606
Step 1: Go outside
Step 2: Talk to girls like a non-autist
Step 3: Ask one out in a non-austistic way
Step 4: Get rejected most likely
Step 5: Don't kill self
Step 6: Rinse and repeat until you meet one that likes you

Thin skin anon, that's what your problem is

>>37265405
yesterday. she completely ignored me

>>37257571
SUPPLY AND DEMAND, SEXUAL MARKETS, LOGISTICS, REALITY

>>37261364
Did you even read the post you quoted?

>>37257950
Yes, just blurt out all the spergetti without thinking, that'll get 'em wet.

> 4/10 shut in Asian friend has managed to get date 3 good looking engineers in the last year
>now another one is going to fly her out to go to new york with him
>she met this guy by staying at home and playing videogames
Meanwhile I can't get a girl to show even a half assed attempt at interest in me or even text me on her own initiative. This shit isn't fair

>>37258576
/thread
everyone else is a faggot

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maybe we can't get gfs because we're retarded enough to want the ones we can't ever possibly have

>>37257571
the big secret is that

they actually leave their fucking houses and make an effort, you dumb lowtest neet

>go to some anime con
>full of fat neckbeards with above average gfs

Fuck me

G O O U T S I D E
O

O
U
T
S
I
D
E

Where do I talk to girls when
>tinder is out because jewbook
>bars are about because I don't drink
>solitary job
>no friends
>solitary hobbies
>poorfag, no car

And don't say dating sites, already on two, they are dead because of tinder.

>>37259893
Ask me how I knew you were autistic before I even got to that part of your post, you fucks are as easy to pick out by your writing as Redditors are

>>37267452
/r9k/

Okay, I wish

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>>37267220
>have car
>have motorcycle
>have full time jub
>not poorfag
>not fat
>tall
still khhv

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>>37257571
Because none of you actually approach them.

>>37257755
One in the hand is better than two in the bush.

>>37268219
That's because no girl wants me to approach/talk to them and act annoyed when I do.
It's okay tho because I don't actually want a gf.

>>37268156
That waifu is so kawai.

>>37263928
>gf's are more trouble than they're worth
>casual sex is impossible to get because girls won't settle for less than chad

I do not like this sam I am.

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>>37257627
>gaymers
>hot asians

>>37261600
>Dude just step on a landmine, lmao, just pretend it's a dud

>>37262058

beta bucks, alpha fucks

my boy.

you have a lot to learn

>>37262316
OP asked about big secrets.

>>37257625
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know that you are a pro at this subject.

Please, tell us more about how we just need to change and try harder. If only you had gotten here sooner to explain this shit to us! You could have saved us all from heartache.

FYI, you and people like you are one of the reasons why so many mentaly damaged people never seek any help. After a while, people just stop asking for advice because all they get are shallow answers that can be boiled down to: ''Just get better!''

>>37263111
>The reason there's no advice about making a social circle "from scratch" is because it's literally not possible.

I've done it twice, first at 21 then again at 27. It's like you think people never travel across the country/world and have to start all over again.

>>37268375
How do you know that they're annoyed? What if they're annoyed by what you say/how you act?

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>>37257571
>Be me
>Have autism
>Average size cock
>Poor
>Extremely cheap
>Hardcore gamer
>Done many different kinds of drugs
>Smoke weed or drink every day
>Shit car
>Average face
>Not very good job prospects
>Had numerous girlfriends and fucked many girls by being confident and charming

Stay mad.

>>37257571
To get a GF you have to:

>be apart of something
>be busy
>be around people

That's about it. You might have a job and meet a girl at work. Maybe you go to church and meet someone there.

You know what I love more than women? Not being involved in the constant bickering of he said she said exclusionary actions lying through your teeth bullshit. This is why I dont get on with the majority of people and why I dont want to. The problem people have here is they dont embrace that, they just desperately hope to be part of the in crowd, and desperation reeks. If you can't join them, beat them. Be your own person, and if people exclude you for being who you are, you dont need them anyway. You will find yourself surrounded by people who admire and appreciate you.

>>37269178

Only works for normal looking guys.

i have male and female friends that want to hang out with me for some reason, kept these friendships up for years now somehow

social life sucks guys, its not worth it and i'd rather be alone

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I just enjoy being by myself. A hermit at heart, in summation. Talking to others or being involved in social situations doesn't interest me.

I can fake being a normalfag too. It's not difficult. But on the inside, I dislike the group dynamics of socializing.

>>37269224
How ugly are people on here, really?

I have a friend who looks like a bridge troll. Seriously 5'6, big beard, fat as fuck, and a big forehead. He has fucked multiple 9/10 blondes and recently married one.

But he has unbelievable social skills. He truly does not acknowledge the fact that he is ugly, it does not even cross his mind. He has people laughing at all times, because he focuses on how to entertain other people. It's interesting, he is not focused on himself during the social interaction, he's only interested in getting inside other people's heads and finding what makes them laugh/entertains them.

Now, I do not have social skills like that. I don't think most do. But I really have a hard time believing that most people on this board are like 2/10 ugly.

>>37269355
>Seriously 5'6, big beard, fat as fuck, and a big forehead
Sounds pretty decent. Fat + beard could be a solid dadbod type body.

No love for skinny lanklets with glasses and shitty hair I'm afraid

>>37257571
>Take looks out of the equation
Such posts make me sick. There are 2 ways to get gf, either be good looking, or have a high social status, we lack both, but retards made more than 200 replies.

>>37265690
This will work only for at least 5/10s.

>>37263111
>If you have at least three or four friends when you leave forced socialization (school and college) then you can easily meet more people just by knowing those people.
Well great, I'm fucked.

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pic and acne.

>>37269861
This is not true. Just the other day I saw a literal autist (he had something wrong with him) romantically hugging this girl who I would describe as a qt. I realised at that point that social skills is everything. They were conversing really well. My stats are better on paper (I'm over 6 foot, white, slim, intelligent, not ugly) but I cannot hold a conversation to save my life. Social skills is literally everything.

I don't have a gf (or friends) because I'm too negative. 99% of the time I'm bitching about stuff that annoys me.

>>37259815
it's true
there is one pizzaface manlet who play minecraft between lectures
he has 7/10 qt gf
he's rich tho

>>37257606
lack of experience.
almost everyone has had at least a single "do you want to hold hands or something"
by the time they had finished middle school.
if you had the courage to try then, you might have been able to.
but you didn't, and a grown man excited to hold hands with a girl for the first time is just as repulsive to women as a woman excited to hold hands for the first time with a man is attractive to men.

>>37265524
>You people are all clones of me.
The way you phrased that is incredibly narcissistic. I would never want to be your friend.

>>37265524
>sorry im so unemotional
I don't think you understand what that means. 90% of that text is emotional garbage. God you make me cringe

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>>37257571
>true robots can't stand being around normies
>females live on easy mode and are normies by default

hmmmmm I wonder why we don't have gfs

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>>37265524
>How well do you identify with this
too well

because were autistic as fuck

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>>37268156
Maybe you're just a faggot. Ever thought of that?

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>>37269912
Did he get punched in the chest really really hard?

>>37270494
You sound like an incredibly judgemental person. I would never want to be your friend.

I've realized that women and children are a meme.
They are physical manifestations of the sunk cost fallacy in action.
Men put resources into women and children because they put resources into women and children and they are afraid the effort won't yield the results they want so they keep doing it. Instead of acting rational and simply cutting their losses they continue sinking resources in a desperate attempt to make it so the previous expenditures of resources weren't a total waste.
It's why when women cheat the common response isn't "okay, bye bitch" cutting all ties it's "how could you do this to me?" Which is just a rephrase of "How could I have made the mistake of investing in a failing stock?"

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>>37270989
too precise for my taste

Not pursuing them/being too afraid to. If you actually tried you'd get shot down a few times but ultimately find someone.

>>37257976
>I love talking shit, but man it's so stupid that we could help each other but instead we bring each other down all, the, fucking, time.
i see the exact opposite in here, you dumb normie in disguise. robots are not hostile towards other robots.

I used to be a junkie. I had a junkie boyfriend who would pimp me out for drugs.

>>37257571
I want a girlfriend that looks like this. Are they hard to get? I'm a decent looking guy.

>>37257571
I for one am missing the effort.

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>ugly tard in my class who stutters when he speaks and is as unfunny as humanly possible manages to find a 6/10 hippie gf

>>37270989
Idk, that's if you look at relationships with other people as an investment. I think you're assuming that other men are looking at it in the same way as you. Now, in many cases, the best option for the man is to cut all ties but

>"how could you do this to me?" Which is just a rephrase of "How could I have made the mistake of investing in a failing stock?"

That's not how the guy who got cheated on is probably looking at the situation. He placed trust in this woman, and now that that trust has been broken in such a fundamental way, he's confused, and he has to adjust his framework for looking at her. It's not the statement of somebody who's coldly calculating the advantageousness of his relationship.

>>37257571
I'm not a complete social retard, but I have some odd quirks and mannerisms which may set people off to the idea of being in a relationship with me. That and acne scars.

>>37269117
>smokes weed or drinks every day

this can actually help you meet girls. I don't smoke at all and rarely drink

>owns a car
>has a job
you're way better than you think

>>37271676
>It's not the statement of somebody who's coldly calculating the advantageousness of his relationship.
But it is emotional in the same way when you made a mistake on your financial investment you feel regret and sadness.
It's not to the same degree because finance is behind several layers of abstraction and humans directly evolved the desire for relationships but they are extremely similar on a base level when you consider evolutionary pressures.

>>37257606
we are needed for the uprising
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tjlprn7v_ZQ

>>37257571
It's really not that hard if you actually apply yourself. I used to be a kissless virgin shithead, until I put in a modicum of effort to try to talk to girls, now I have a gf and I get laid all the time. I'm currently in a foreign country fucking a cute French girl four times a day, and I'm not even that attractive or anything.

>>37271865
so you're cheating on your girlfriend now?

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>>37257571
Literally all women laugh at me or call me a creep in front of my face. They'll only talk shit about me behind my back if one of my male friends actually mention me.

It's pointless.

>>37271934
She told me I should bang qts while I am away, she thinks it's hot.

>>37259264
b-but I'm good at philosophy.

>>37272026
>good at philosophy.

That's not something you can be "good at" you fucking sperg. For all your knowledge of philosophy, there's a guy who knows way more, AND has the looks and social skills to steal your waifu.

>>37271572
Yes. Think about it. She is not decent looking. She is good or very good looking. You are decent. She is out of your league.

>>37272144
Women don't give a shit about philosophy anyway. It's a moot point

>>37257606
Inadequate nutrition, exercise, testosterone levels during crucial growth stages of adolescence.

>>37272270
My point wasn't that this guy wins the girl with philosophy. He has the social skills and doesn't identify himself as being "good at" philosophy, like anon does. He's better at it though because he's actually passionate about it, not because he uses it to signal to others how deep he is, like anon does.

>>37257606
you're not self aware enough to realize you're a coward

>>37257658
You can't talk to women if you don't know any, and that's why we're in this situation. We're shutins with no social lives.

There's no complex answer to this question. It's just that we're antisocial.

>>37273981
You could talk to them like you talk to everyone else. That helps.

>>37274202
What?
No, you seem to have missed my point.

It isn't that I *choose* not to speak to any women by being antisocial. It's that there are no women in my life, as a consequence of being antisocial.
I haven't spoken to a girl my age that wasn't a cashier or checker in years.

>>37263103
Except that your body stops producing it sufficiently and you'll be dependent on supplementing for life.

Yup, no downsides at all.

>>37257658
>You could be the best pilot in the world but what does that matter if you have no plane to fly in?

are you not emberassed you actually just said this? holy shit

>So why don't we?

Because a lot of you are just average or below average , yet you want a girl that is solidly a 7/10.
And then of course you bring almost nothing to the relationship, can't take any kind of criticism or even acknowledge your faults.

It's not some big fucking mystery, but to have people admit their faults and change is very difficulty, it is much easier to do nothing and blame others.