MGTOW

They have integrity, just like me.

Please just "go" already

Started out as a good idea, but faggot incels had to ruin it. Might as well change their name to MSTOW - Men sent their own way. If your absence in the dating pool isn't missed, you shouldn't be calling yourself MGTOW

Why make a big deal out of it in the first place? If they are actually happy why don't they just live their lives? Equally as pointless as people that identify as childfree

>>37221504
>What does /r9k/ think of MGTOW? This should be interesting.
I think it's a good movement that should be supported

>>37221504
more like men sent their own way

>>37221504
Mostly they're neckbeards who deluded themsleves into thinking they're voluntarily checking out of an unfair system, instead of being excluded from it.

At least robots are self-aware enough to know they're being forced out, not staying out by their own free will.

Most MGTOWers are pretty much saying "You can't fire me! I quit!"

Life doesn't work that way.

>>37221542
Yeah this. Most of its practitioners want to be part of a political response to feminism

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>>37221580
Go back to redd.it
You people aren't robots

Weird thing is that feminists hate MGTOWs.

If they hate men so much why are they angry at the few men that go "fine I'll leave you alone!"?

Used to be cool but it was hijacked by faggots and autists.

Women don't care that you're 'withholding sex' as a protest because they don't want to have sex with you.

All those manosphere things are uniformly retarded.

>>37221542
If you make a point to loudly and persistently advertise how much you supposedly don't care about something, chances are you secretly do care. It's not like they're monks or ascetics or whatever.

>>37221700
>It's not like they're monks or ascetics or whatever.

no but trannies love this shit

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they don't really seem to go their way

>>37221622
I like that there's such aggressive loserdom gatekeeping here. Can't have anyone well adjusted in this community.

>>37221629
Because they're not saying "I choose to not pursue relationships because there are other things in my life that are more important to me". It's people who say "fuck you bitch you're ugly anyway" when they're rejected. It's embittered sour grapes misogyny.

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Alright, but what separates you robots from MGTOW? You are both so very similar in your discourse and the way you talk about women and sex and relationships.

>>37221622
Stop deluding yourself, MSTOW. You couldn't do the dating game even if you wanted to

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>>37221784
Originally kys fagget

>>37221504
The only rational thing for a man to do in today's feminist society. Everyone that disagrees is either a woman, a feminist, or a stupid traditional conservative /pol/cuck.

>>37221784
MGTOWs lack the self-awareness to realize they aren't willfully leaving an unjust system, they're being excluded from it. Robots are at least smart enough to realize the game was rigged against them from the start

>>37221784
>Alright, but what separates you robots from MGTOW?
I'm actually asexual due to an exclusive paraphilia. I'm not attracted to anyone.

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>>37221841
You dipshits do realize that MGTOW goes beyond not catering to women, right? It's also about minimizing your contributions to society in the forms of social niceties and taxes to punish the government. The government WANTS ugly beta bux like us to marry used up post wall women because thag means a lot more taxes and spending (women are responsible for 80% of all consumer spending). If men don't marry, work as little as possible to pay as little taxes as possible, and save most their money, that actively punishes the government for being anti male fucks.

You stupid normalfag here don't even understand the thing you hate so much.

>>37221835
you're not even making an argument

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>>37221926
I know. The OP asked what I thought of MGTOW, and I said what I thought. The OP didn't ask for an argument for or against it.

>>37221784
I mean I'm kinda MGTOW by default. I haven't bothered trying to date in years. But I wouldn't outright call myself one or "get involved" or whatever the hell they do. I'm also more failed normie than robot, I don't really hate women, I'm just an awkward and not-particularly-attractive retard with too high of standards so I stopped wanting to bother

it doesn't matter because males are disposable and the female will reproduce if she pleases no matter what

>>37221919
how can a person be so delusional

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>>37221967
Feel free to make an actual argument you dumbfuck.

MGTOW? More like MGTOW (With Their Support Groups).

>>37221919
That's just misogyny + libertarianism

>>37221684
It's not about withholding sex, it's about withholding resources. If a generation of men can be convinced to live simply by themselves and avoid excess (that gets redirected back to women as taxation) then the rug gets pulled out from under women and they'll be forced to get their act together.

>>37221990
That's not an argument. Oregano

>>37221990
Actually it has a decidedly anti capitalist slant the more you look into it.

>>37221784
Did you just mass reply to everyone in the thread? Why?

R9k is a diverse community with a variety of posters. Sure there is some overlap with mgtow. You will hear 2D>3D shouted as an ocasional battle cry. But not all of us feel that way. Despite our pessimism, some of us still yearn for a relationship.

The biggest difference is self awareness. As this (>>37221599) anon said, we know that we are rejected, not leaving voluntarily.

Mgtow is even more pathetic than we are.

>>37221919
The stupid thing is that it's not anything like principled, sincere simple living or "dropping out" or whatever.

You're angrily shouting at no one in particular "fuck you all, you're going to miss out on my greatness" when no one wanted anything to do with you to begin with. You're only telling yourself that you're depriving the world of your contributions so that you can feel better. As though they actually miss you, or even notice.

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>>37222011
It's not anti capitalist either you stupid faggots. It's men denying their resources from women and the government in order to penalize them for making society and law so anti male. It's essentially voting with your labor and dollar. Most MGTOW hate socialism because cultural Marxism is half the reason society has become so hostile to men.

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>>37221504
Men going their own way? More like men being FORCED to go their own way.

>>37222034
If it really didn't threaten you then you wouldn't be screaming about it so frantically.

>>37221835
>The only rational thing for a man to do in today's feminist society
I guess you never considered to look for a traditional gf, huh?

>>37222047
>It's men denying their resources from women and the government in order to penalize them for making society and law so anti male.

But that is the fault of cucked whiteknights.

>>37221504
I agree with some points of theirs but generally speaking they're just a bunch of neckbeardy manchildren who just autistically screech about women all day. They are also completely detrimental to their own organization, like leftists and neocon republicans, but let's try not to turn this into a pointless political debate.

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>>37221919
Because fighting the status quo by doing nothing about it has worked out so well in the past.

>>37221504
I'd think that when you really love a woman you'd want to marry her, I know I certainly do. Isn't saying "fuck marrying women" basically a big fuck you to love as well?

>>37222047
>cultural marxism
You're raging against the market more than the government with your actions. You're about as clueless as those free marketers who whine about globalism.

>>37221504
Pretty much what >>37221536 said. MGTOW only applies to chads. Nobody wants robots anyways so a robot has no choice, if they "go their own way" they're just alone. Chads who choose not to marry just fuck girl after girl.

>>37222082
he knows deep down he is too low quality to ever attain such a gf so instead he pretends they don't exist.

>>37222034
I have yet to see any MGTOW doing anything you described until the topic is brought up. More than that, you can pretend our contributions don't matter, but the average ugly beta male is literally the tax base holding up the west. Our contributions DO matter, and your mentality is exactly why so many of us are saying "fuck it" and not trying to hard.

I quit my 105k a year wastewater engineering job to make 22k a year and live frugally. Not only do I have a fuck ton more time, but I pay almost no taxes now and my spending has shrunk. From a government perspective, I'm a fifth as productive. The more men decide to do that, the more the tax base will dwindle.

Hey, if it gets far enough maybe men will be a tax drain like women.

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So if the major difference is self awareness, then why do robots say things like "get out slut women are not welcome here" when MGTOW say the exact same thing? If self awareness is the factor here, then you all seem to be self aware that you do the exact same thing MGTOW does. Not very self aware to me it seems. If /r9k/ is a misogynist board that hates women then why does MGTOW get so much hate here?

>>37222141
robots are aware they are shitstains and don't try to pretend otherwise

>>37222141
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>>37222141
Because most of us would marry a qt virgin who would love us forever if we could.

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>>37221504
I think they're partially right, but they're also very, very, very, very wrong.

>>37222082
>traditional gf

Not only a meme, but doesn't address the bulk of the issues in society. This is just /pol/ lies.

>>37222085

It's the fault of women and roastie apologists. Mostly women.

>>37222094

Passive resistance led to Indias independence and the Civil Rights movement, so yeah.

>>37222104

>what are taxes

Take an economics class, then realize how stupid you are. Also read my comment about quitting my high paying, time consuming, stressful job to barely work for peanuts in comparison

>>37222163
Uh, a lot of robots try to pretend otherwise. That it's society's fault that they are shitstains and they have done all they can so it's not their fault.

I can see how the movement would appeal to the current generation. I have seen some really awful women. Then again I have also seen awful men. I made the choice to marry at a young age myself and I know firsthand it isn't for everyone, having watched so many others fail.

I have seen the long reaching consequences with my best friend's failed marriage and the long lasting damage left in its wake. I guess it's like skiing. The ones fortunate enough to find an auspicious path will find it exhilarating. Others will stumble but still see the value of it, and some will be forever damaged or even destroyed by it. Many just won't take the risk. It is difficult to blame them.

>>37222207

Are you the only married man here? Any other men in this thread in a long term relationship? It would be strange if single people were opposing MGTOW and promoting all the benefits of marriage if they themselves were not married.

>>37222186
>Take an economics class
Oh the irony. You're seeing you quitting your job and spending less as hurting just the government when it shrinks the market, decreases spending "power" and stops the flow of goods because you don't like the current system. Pal you literally cribbed your plans from a 1920's syndicalist pamphlet.

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ITT: roasties and tradcons trying to force men to fuck up their lives through shaming and insults

Every fucking time. /pol/ conservatives might as well be roastie shills desu.

>>37222207

The difference is that terrible men don't receive government and societal support to ruin your life. Most the options open to a horrible man fucking you over are illegal, while the ones for women will have them rewarded.

>>37222222
gregrege

>>37222245
It's like people don't know late capitalism when they see it.

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>>37221504
I love the movement. The fact it riles up everybody no matter what their political leaning. I personally am one but I wouldn't say it out loud to people like a sperg. I'll just take a page out of feminists book and apply it here.

>>37221504
I tried being one steely, stylish motherfucker. I failed. Every time I fall deeply in love and project myself with this girl up to months & proposing & stuff & get involved 200% and I the get dumped and it cycles all over again.

>>37222082
All women are the same, even (often especially) "traditional" ones

>>37221784
MGTOW say no more women by choice (or so they say kek). The average robot craves for love, intimacy, and a warm heart. It just cannot obtain that for a variety of reasons ranging from shyness to crippling anxiety disorders.

>>37222252
All memery aside, there are good women in the world. It is difficult to find them but not impossible.

>>37222260
>it was a vapid roastie post

Fucking figures.

>>37222369

I don't know why people like you don't realize that the vast majority of MGTOW only became as such as the result of a long term gf, marriage, or being chad (and seeing how horrid women were through availability). Trying to paint us all as incels is just incorrect.

>>37222131
If you are happier on 22k and plenty of free time then good for you.

But what do you think happened when you quit? Somebody else got your engineering gig. Quitting your job didn't change anything from societies perspective. Unless you really think you can convince a big chunk of societies top performing men to all quit at the same time, this sounds futile.

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>>37222385
>think I found that one special good woman in the world every time
>end up getting my heart broken again and again
>fall in the same trap months later
I wish women would just completely ignore me at this point. This is actual torture.

sour grapes: the "movement"

>i hate it because i cant obtain it

i know women are shit but damn

>>37222405
>MGTOW only became as such as the result of a long term gf, marriage, or being chad

Don't tell me you're any of the above and you find yourself scrolling R9K, please, I wouldn't believe you.

*Most* of the Internet MGTOWs are, in fact, incels. Not speaking on the wider community, when I checked their putrid reddit pit there were actual men who paid for hookers.

It's mostly sour grapes on a massive scale, "I never wanted to get laid anyway", but there's also a large part of the movement that's divorced men and I can understand the bitterness there. If a woman you thought loved you cheated on you, then took half your money and your kids, I think you'd be justified in giving up on women entirely.

I like the pua type mgtow. The celibate ones just come off as self-righteous assholes. I get it, women are shit. Shouldn't you be fucking them instead of ignoring them?

I have a practice gf that I've kept way too long. I am too pussy to dump her so I just keep saying one day when she asks how much longer until I propose. It's never happening of course, why buy the cow when the milk is free. When she finally moves on I'll string another girl along with the same routine. Dishonest fwb relationships are more my speed than strings of onss.

>>37222481
Taking "practice gfs" makes you no better than the "roasties" you so despise.

>>37221504
I think it's the logical answer to the question of why men in the west are being fucked in the ass by women and the courts

>>37222385
Kek. I already had a 4 year relationship with a unicorn "good" girl. She was a khhv, christian, good values, the whole nine yards. We start dating, I'm her first everything, and we start making family plans for marriage, trips, where we want to move, etc. I already decided that I'm proposing once I've graduated and started working. I'm also a damn good catch myself: over 6', muscular with abs, six pack, and have a 6 figure job lined up through internship contacts.

This whole time she gives every indication that she's all in, and she's the one pushing for long term planning 6o keep me. A little over a year ago, she just graduated and I have one more semester of school left. A few weeks after, we're both back in CA and I drove a few miles to go see her. We have a great time, I put a lot of effort into getting to know her family better, and when I say I love her, she said it back. In my mind, there's no reason to think anything in perfect. So I go back home, and in a week we have her trip to visit me planned. In the interrim, we're talking daily and are closer than ever.

Then, out of the blue, one day before she's supposed to take the train down (that I paid for), she calls and says she wants to break up. It's so unexpected and out of left field that I laugh, but when she doesn't say "jk, that was a bad joke!" I realize she's serious. After lots of crying and blubbering on both our parts, it turns out that she was jealous of her roastie friends' "freedom" and wants to be "free" to date other people and "experience" the world. Now, I never forbade her from doing shit and we had already had several international trips planned, so I could read between the lines. She wanted to be a club slut like her friends instead of being a monogamous and loving wife.

THAT is your special unicorn. They done exist, they're just better than most at hiding their inate need to whore.

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>>37222481
Why would you play with her feelings like that anon. You are hurting me. Why does any semblance of faith in humans be instantly and utterly destroyed.

>>37221504
>What's /r9k/'s opinion on this topic that asked about 50 times a day?
>I literally have no idea what robots think about this topic that's directly brought of in about a quarter of every thread posted on /r9k/
>I've never made this thread before and I'm definitely not trying to fish for a particular opinion to circlejerk over or just stir up shit for keks

>>37222408
>Somebody else got your engineering gig

My old work buddy said they hired a single mom with three kids. Apparently she's already on maternity leave. So if that's who replaced me, I'm not worried.

>>37222444

I am MGTOW because of my last ex, actually. Denying reality because it disagrees with what you want to be true is pretty retarded.

>when I checked their putrid reddit pit there were actual men who paid for hookers.

And? I think hooker are nasty myself, but they'd rather just pay to get their rocks of than risk another woman getting their claws into them. It's pretty clear you're just believing what you want to here.

>>37222558
Did you have sex? And by "graduating" did you mean high school or college?

>>37222558
Hey if men are ok with "getting the milk without buying the cow", as seen on this thread. Why are women meant to play by different rules? Let's at least be ideologically consistent.

>>37222558
>I'm also a damn good catch myself
>only describes physical properties
>physical properties that only gay men find attractive

Kek. She left you because you're trash and she wanted to find someone better. She realized she would make a mistake by being stuck with a loser like you.

>>37222385
You say this now but it's only a matter of time until you're homeless and posting on this board from the public library.

>>37222629
After a couple years when I said I would spend the rest of my life with her, yeah. Before that she was a "technical" virgin since bjs and anal were lesser sins according to her. Stupid, but I'm and atheist so I'm not one to tell her how to follow her meme religion.

>>37222634

What are you talking about? I WANTED to buy the cow you dipshit. I was only with this girl because she was so insistent on wanting to marry her first bf, so I thought I found my qt pure waifu that /pol/ always insists you have to find. But they aren't real.

>>37222481
>Women are shit so spend tons of your time on them

>>37222652
>women don't like talk, muscular dudes with high paying jobs and a good face

Nice meme gurl. It always make me laugh how hard roasties and white knights get triggered by MGTOW, especially when they realize that I'm not a sour grapes incel but have been through the meat grinder and saw it first hand.

>>37222712
Pretty much perfectly described why I think pua is stupid and MGTOW is the way to go. I mean, if that's what makes you happy then go for it, but to me it seems like a lot of effort just to get some ruined roastie gash.

>>37222697
>buy the cow
And this why you fail. She didn't.

>>37222739
>tall, muscular dudes
Most don't. Gay men do.
>high paying jobs
Most do.
>good face
Most do. But you are probably average at best.

You very much sound like a sour grapes incel though.

>>37222763
That was the main point of my comment, as you noticed, and is why I am not providing my resources or efforts to women anymore. The sexual revolution, feminism, and white knights have made the law and society far too unfavorable for men, and has made long term relationships and marriage pointless. I learned that the hard way, when she did not "buy the cow" so to speak.

>>37222793
why cant men just be tired of going through the emotional rigor without being called sour grapes

>>37221504
They're mostly sad, pathetic they're playing a game, and they lose for whatever reason, and instead of taking it in grace or trying to get better, they flip the board over, and spend their lives denouncing the game and calling anyone who is good at the game and does well faggots.

There is a near-perfect woman for every single one of you fucking faggots, least you could do is try to find them.

>>37222558
Sorry to hear that man. She had some baf influences. Try finding a nice shut in girl maybe? I mean that's what worked for me. We been married ten years and she doesn't have any whore friends that do that shit.

>>37222844
>There is a near-perfect woman for every single one of you fucking faggots
Why do you fall for this meme? Convince me.

>>37222793
You have never spoken to a woman that you weren't related to for more than a minute if you actually think that shit. But believe what you want, doesn't mean I'm not going to be MGTOW regardless. You have no power over me, and that's why people like you get so scared when the insults and shaming stops working.

>>37222817
Because roasties deserve our energy and resources! Even if somehow were also incapable of ever getting a woman.

Isn't it funny that we're all a bunch of incel envious losers, but we're also criticized for denying our resources and affections to women? The cognitive dissonance cracks me up.

>>37222859
Statistically there is one woman for every man on the planet, matter of fact, there's slightly more than one woman for every man on the planet. And contrary to popular belief, there are women who are just as fucked as you are, but in the exact way that compliments your autistic screeching.

>>37221629
Hamplanets need orbiters. MGTOW is the old orbiter pool drying up and deciding to masturbate to anime instead.
>>37221536
Well, I don't identify with them as a group but remember that even fairly undesirable guys end up viable settling options for women past their prime. What they're doing is essentially telling the roasties to fuck off.

I'm a spergy, unattractive guy, but not physically deformed or anything and making some good money. No woman has ever wanted me out of sexual attractiveness but they sure as hell get salty when they can't settle for me or guys like me after the carousel is over.

I just play videogames and build shit in my garage in my free time.

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>>37222817
Any semblance of male only spaces is some sort of damaging to women. They know what guys talk about. That's why some don't like being friends with other women. They know their cruelty first hand.

>>37222855
No. She wasn't my first LTR, but she's definitely my last. I'm not going to waste a fuck ton of time, energy, and resources on courting and proving myself to another chick that will likely bail the second she think she can get another cock. That's why I'm MGTOW. This shit has no purpose for me anymore, it's just honeyed poison. The juice isn't worth the squeeze, as they say. I gave five years of my life to that bitch and she threw it away to ride some dicks. I only have to put my hand in fire once to know it's hot, and I've done it three times now. Even a retard would have learned their lesson.

>>37222916
>remember that even fairly undesirable guys end up viable settling options for women past their prime.

Thanks for pointing out something these faggots intentionally ignore. Even the ugly beta bux will get a post wall, worn out women normally and give her shit tons of cash to keep her around. But they are dropping out, and women and the gubmint are missing their gibs me dats. Hence the rage by women and white knights.

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>>37222540
I'm still human somewhere deep down. I just don't want to be alone. I already said I'm too chickenshit to dump her so if she really loved me she wouldn't ask to put my nuts on the states chopping block. My money and nuts are all I have, I lose any bargaining power once she takes those.

>>37222582
She's doing the same shit with wanting marriage as far as I can tell. All interaction is transactional in nature. I pay for it fair and square, she just wants too much for it. I can live happily on the 'free' samples.

>>37222712
I wouldn't call it tons of time. Some guys spend more than I think it's worth but the longterm fwb type deal is hardly a hassle. You win her once and from there it's just maintenance to ensure continued access to pussy.

>>37222897
How does any of this mean there's a near-perfect woman for me out there?

>>37222990
Statistically there has to be.

>>37223015
You don't seem to understand how statistics work my friend.

>>37223022
Nor do you.

>>37222973
I'm sorry you had such bad fortune. I understand and even sympathise.

>>37223015
That's not how relstionships work. Women by their nature are hypergamous, and very rarely date at or below their social and economic status or attractiveness level. That means that a 5/10 dude with an ok job couldn't get a 5/10 woman with an okay job. She'd either want a 5/10 with a good job, or a 6 or 7/10 with an okay job.

Hypergamous ensures that the bottom men are always last pick, if they get picked at all. Straight numbers of men to women mean nothing.

>>37222973
Other men learn from your mistakes, you whine on a Vietnamese water painting forum. Well, better for everyone this way. You become a bitter incel, and let the rest of the men enjoy fucking girls.

>>37223043
You meant to use 'neither', not 'nor'. Also, the burden of proof lies with you my friend.

>>37223051
Thank you. I wasn't really looking for sympathy, just showing that not only are MGTOW not bitter, sour grapes incels, but that lots of us only got to this point after women repeatedly destroying us emotionally (and financially and socially for a lot of men). The scary thing is that I got lucky. If she married me or got knocked up, I would have been screwed for two decades at least. The thought is terrifying.

I'm MGTOW, I don't go around preaching it to others, I just live my life the way most beneficial to me. I see the shitty things women do to men and decide I don't want to play that game because the game sucks.

turd flinging monkey
raging golden eagle
mgtow 101

Aren't hurting anyone, they're just trying to help men by giving them information that make them aware of tactics used by women and governments.

>>37223084
Keep telling yourself that, bruv. This is what I mean when I talk about a game board. You guys just suck at it.

Let me give you guys an example of this not being true, I'd direct your attention to a man named Patrice O'Neal. He's a fat fuck, but he got a really hot girlfriend. Because he tricked her into loving him, in his words.

Watch some of his stuff on youtube involving women, he was really smart with that stuff.

>>37223103
>Other men learn from your mistakes

I did learn from my mistake. My mistake was thinking women are worth it and capable of love, and I have realized they aren't. You're really triggered over this, you must be a woman.

>>37223124
>burden of proof

*tips fedora*

>>37223148
>muh pua anecdote negates human nature

Really fires those neurons.

>>37223177

These are the kind of men that hate MGTOW, just in case anyone wanted to throw their lot in with the white knights.

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>>37223177
>"Statistically, there is a perfect girl for you out there!"
>Can you actually prove that
>"Are you seriously asking me for proof? Go tip your fedora somewhere else"
kill yourself brainlet

i think the main reason for mgtow is the marriage statistics. 60% end in divorce 80% of the time the woman starts it 97% of people receiving alimony are women. I think its high 80 for woen getting the kids and house. Theres no reason to marry. Plus some states have laws where if youre living together fo a certain amount of time youre considered legally married and

>>37223216
Well, it's certainly not human nature to be a loser. If you are, then you get thrown out of the gene pool, so whatever, this is natural. Nothing personal, kid.

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Fuck women

xxx

>>37223244
It's way more than that, it's false rape accusations, affirmative action, government "women's programs", the duluth model, etc., etc.

Women getting the right to vote was the death knell of the west.

>>37221919
Thats a rare buff frog friend

>>37223231
I can prove it, there's 3.5 billion women, there's a near 100% chance statistically that there's at least one who'll like you if you actually try. This is basic logic, you want me to find an article? Where'd this article be?

Faggot.

>>37223295
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahZTWBB26Cw

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>>37223177
>logic? Hahaha I'm not a fedora
I wish you faggots and women left

>>37221504
MGTOW is good for society.

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>>37221504
Just the male version of Feminists
>everything is about them
>believe a lot of stuff about love, marriage, etc. that isn't true
>Play the victim card all the time
>Blame all bad things on the opposite sex
See?

>>37223362
I don't think you underatand how any of this works.

I don't think you even know what "proving something statistically" means

>>37223267
Not an argument.

>>37223322

I got it from /co/'s autistic and fun svtfoe threads. Take it, it's yours.

>>37223444
>everything is about them

That's most people though.

>believe a lot of stuff about love, marriage, etc. that isn't true

What isn't true, exactly?

>Play the victim card all the time

I don't know how saying "this isn't worth it, I'm out" is playing the victim.

>Blame all bad things on the opposite sex

Well in this case, the sexual revolution, rape hysteria, the degeration of marriage, anti male divorce and child custody bias, and hypergamous ARE largely the fault of women, even if their white knights are often the ones doing the actual work on their behalf.

i had a lesbian friend who told me this before i went full mgtow but it stuck with me. she was mid 30s and a teacher. she said the main problem with lesbians as opposed to gays is the lesbians only interact inside their social circles while gays tend to welcome anybody. she actually dated a woman who was in a higher social circle and she felt looked down on by all her friends and hated it.

>>37223362
>changing the goalposts
You started your theory with a girl that is close to perfect, what's this shit about "one who'll like you if you actually try"? Also, yes, there's about 3.5 billion women alive right now. How many of those live near me? Almost none of them. Let's say there's 1 million women in my region. How many of those are already in a relationship? How many of those are underage? How many of those are old? How many of those are not looking for a relationship? This just leaves a very small pool for finding that one "perfect girl" and therefore there's a very small chance she is among them, wouldn't you agree?
>This is basic logic
Your logic is extremely flawed.

>>37223511
Huh, hypergamy applies with lesbians too? I guess it makes sense, I just never considered it. Dykes being tight knit like that might explain why I've had so many gay guy friends, but never a lesbian friend.

>>37223289
Can't find this on Google so pretty sure it's fake.

Unless you have an archive link?

>>37223548
yeah well think about it they still want to climb the social circles but cant fuck them men to get to the top so they fuck each other and dont bother with those below them.

>>37221504

MGTOW is very right about some things, but very wrong about the others.

MGTOW's understand that that the relationship system is unjust, unlawful, and isn't mandatory like you were told, but instead of pushing it to a better place and being themselves the chance they want to see they just quit.

Some MGTOW's may be alphas that understand that they want better than whoring for girls until they decay. Some may be beta and use MGTOW as a form of retaliation against the biased system, and some may be lower on the scale and use MGTOW to deny the fact that they weren't never going to get anything from the game anyway.

>this should be interesting
same question asked everyday on every part of 4chan with the same identical responses from the same people daily.

>>37223585
It may be fake, but the mentality is real. I had a gf with bad sexual dysfunction that she refused to see a shrink for. She ended up dumping me because she didn't want sex anymore, and she tried to claim that "each time we had sex was like rape". Bitches are fucking insane dude, ad feminism and white knights just enable said insanity

>>37223621
>but instead of pushing it to a better place and being themselves the chance they want to see they just quit.

What is your proposed solution then?

>>37223621
This is pushing it to a better place. Pulling as much money as possible out of the system is the only way any of it will change. Women can't sustain themselves, and the government can't sustain women without that money.

>>37221504
MGTOW is taking the power away from women and empowering men. No longer do men have to put up with female manipulation,expectations and nagging. MGTOW is freedom.

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>>37221504
MGTOW more like SJW

Their whole little meme cult is entirely based around (the rejection of) women.

It's not even about going their own way either. Men Zigging When Women Zag Because They Have No Real Identity. But that just makes a confusing acronym.

Am I not going my own way if I willingly choose to date a girl and get married and have kids? What if we stay together and have kids but we're not married? What if I'm at least open to the idea?

Am I ironically going to be shunned and booed for not joining their collecting hive mind?

>>37223717

Find a women, befriend her, chance her feminist idea of relationships and date her if it works. Debate feminists. Quitting is not enough. The only thing it'll achieve is making women more angry because of lack of men. It'll never end well.
I convinced some feminists of this myself, women can be logical too. It's just harder to make them see the male point of view.

>>37223729
This will only effect certain women. Some are actually independent, so it won't work on them.

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>>37223688
Using fake propoganda hurts us all. Someone can try to Google it like I just did, see it's BS, and write off everything we say.

It's easy enough to find real material to use. Like so....

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>>37221504
>Be me, out for a walk
>Man going his own way, obviously lost, asks me for directions
>Send him back to the roasties

>>37223860
Almost no women are truly independent. Almost all of them take some kind of payout or resources from men. The ones that are actually completely independent don't have time to be crazy cunts and won't care about useless women getting cut off.

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>>37223904
Meant to post this in an original fashion.

>>37221504
Never heard of this, I humbly request you to share what this MGTOW concept is, please.

MGTOW is feminism for men. It's completely retarded.

>>37223860
>Quitting is not enough. The only thing it'll achieve is making women more angry because of lack of men.

You say that as if if the MGTOW are not ugly bitter guys that no women wanted to be with in the first place.

>>37221967

he speaks the truth. We need more men opting out to drain the gynocentric system out money that is funding feminist programs and drain single mother parasites out of welfare.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/12/share-of-married-americans-is-falling-but-they-still-pay-most-of-the-nations-income-taxes/

>>37223961
Men who see themselves as the victims in society's gender wars, aka meninists or red pills.

Their solution is to not date or marry women out of spite, like that was ever an option for them, and to instead beat off to anime and call women "roastie" on the internet.

It's reverse-tumblr.

>>37224021
>MGTOW is about self-improvement
>guys women are evil bloodsuckers let's engage in economic terrorism against them

>>37223845
>Their whole little meme cult is entirely based around (the rejection of) women.

Stopped reading there. If you have such a deeply flawed understanding of MGTOW then your opinion on the topic holds zero value.
>>37223860
>Find a women, befriend her, chance her feminist idea of relationships and date her if it works.

Kek, so your "solution" is to do absolutely nothing different and hope you get lucky? You're a fucking moron dude.

>>37223904

I wasn't the one who posted it, just saying that the message isn't necessarily wrong.

>>37223961

Almost none of the roasties or white knights ITT understand MGTOW. Check out the reddit MGTOW forum, it'll tell you better than these angry holes could.

>>37224060
>economic terrorism

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Anyone who hates MGTOW because they threaten the wimens are supporting this level of roastie stupidity.

>>37223968
we don't have political power like feminist and mgtow is a philosophy. they are not the same. we are not even interested in fixing the system and we just want to be left alone. please do your homework first before saying anything about mgtow.

>>37224085
>Kek, so your "solution" is to do absolutely nothing different and hope you get lucky? You're a fucking moron dude.

It's not about dating. It's about sending a message. Assuming all women are the same is the real mistake.

>>37224104
>it's a philosophy! it's totally deep and meaningful and different!
It's feminism for men. You're retarded. Stop subscribing to some retarded ideology because stacey wouldn't fuck you. Just do whatever you feel like instead of saying FUCK MARRIAGE FUCK WOMEN IM GUNNA LIVE FOR ME!!!!! BECAUSE MGTOW!!!! ITS SUPER RAD!!!!

>>37224136
Speaking generally, all women are the same. That is safe to assume until they prove otherwise. What woman turns down the benefits feminism has granted them? Please find this unicorn and lead by example oh great one!

>>37224101
haha nice you called women roastie on the internet that will really improve men's rights

>>37224136
What you proposed doesn't send any fucking message. You actually think us doing exactly what is being done will have a different effect? You really think changing nothing will somehow lead to change?

And to think that I thought you had a real solution, not "do the same thing and hope you get lucky".

>>37224085
>MGTOW white knight being so overwhelemed that he has to reply to multiple people at once

>disregards any criticism with "y-you're all roasties!"

Actually your post says more about MGTOW than any forum ever could.

I actually did go to the MGTOW official site once. I saw that they were selling mugs and the first thing on the website was that they were celebrating the fact that the lady ghostbusters movie wasn't doing great at the box office.

Sour.

Grapes.

>>37224060
do you have better idea? gynocentrism is not going to end until the government runs out of money. Men are more disposable then ever because women are married to the government. The government keeps throwing money at women and encourages women to divorce men.

>>37224189
No, denying my resources to women and the government leads to change. Calling stupid roasties like you stupid roasties is just for fun.

>>37224239
>MGTOW white knight

Jesus christ, you're too fucking retarded to speak to. You don't understand the words you are trying to label me with, so I doubt you are capable of understanding anything else either.

>>37224278
>They're only SJWs and White Knights if I disagree with them!

>>37224241
>>37224250

top kek you guys.

You can try to keep your NEEtbux away from women and not pay taxes until you get thrown in jail but "gynocentrism" is based on nature.

In all but a few exceptions of some animal species or primitive cultures - it's always the male who goes out and hunts and defends the territory while the women raise the children.

I always thought it was cool because it taught how to be happy while being single, and gave pretty nice arguments against marriage, but it's not.

The overall atmosphere of this community is unpleasant. Most of them are virgin crybabies who don't want to man up and who keep complaining about women.

This didn't make me feel good about myself, just angry about other people.

>>37224387
>white knights worship women and do anything to help them
>MGTOW want nothing to do with women, and frequently hate them

They're mutually exclusive groups you retarded twat.

>>37224449
>desperately still trying to paint MGTOW as losers

Raping vapid roasties is in nature too, but I refrain from that fine. I am not special so others can resist their nature too.

And if we do maintain gynocentric bullshit then we could at least return to the old system where we treated women like the useless overgrown children they are, not giving them rights to vote and work and rewarding them for bad behavior. Even if you're right, giving up and accepting the current state is still stupid.

>>37224181
>Stop subscribing to some retarded ideology because stacey wouldn't fuck you


I am a mgtow because women are out of control and not because women don't want to fuck me. I don't even have to try and women want to date. I had at least three girls ask me out one was at least a really hot chick. what is stopping me from dating them is the fact that animals have more rights then fathers. animals have PETA and fathers have no rights. if I got any of the girls pregnant I would be force to take responsibility and I would not have a say on it. if a girl didn't want to take responsibility she always has the option to drop it off at a fire station or abortion.

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>>37224558
You're a white knight for men, you're a feminist for men, you're tumblr for men.

You're a bad joke, and you can't take any criticism. You're as emotional and as obsessed with victim culture as the vapid roasties and feminazis that you despise. You ironically base your lives around women while non-MGTOW are happily living their own lives without having to double check if what they do or think is women-approved or not.

This thread is proof enough

>hey guys what do you think of MGTOW?
>I don't think it's very good at all, it's quite silly
>THAT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE A FUCKING ROASTIE REEEE

>>37224671
>You're a white knight for men

That's not how the word works bud.

>>37224568
I want you to try and remember this moment, when you made that post, and all the feelings and thoughts you put into it.
Think back on it in even 3 years when you realized you wasted your teenage years being a bitter retard instead of just saying "fuck it why not" and experiencing love.
Think back on it as you stare into the bottom of that empty vodka bottle, lamenting that you didnt go to the liquor store that day.

>>37221504
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>>37224692
I'm sorry that words make you upset, but that is 1000% what you are. You're a keyboard warrior defending the integrity and valor of men.... from other men who think you're retarded. What would you rather be called?

You're also SJW even if you think SJW are only women and leftists. You're as annoying and as much of a crybaby as the rest of them only your social justice is something different.

>>37223510
>That's most people though.
No.
It's not.
>What isn't true, exactly?
Just divorce rate,rate of cheating, rate of false paternity, rate of custody, how divorce works, etc. Other than that....
>I DO blame the opposite sex for everything
Yeah.
Everyone knows.
>You don't even know what hypergamy actually means....

>>37224741
Insisting that misusing the word makes the definition change doesn't actually change the word's definition.


>>37224809
>Just divorce rate,rate of cheating, rate of false paternity, rate of custody, how divorce works, etc.

Kek. Ok I'll bite; prove it.

>>37224700
what is the point when their love is not even mutual? I am just projecting my sacrificial love on them. I don't deny it I do think about that but that love is just a delusion.

>>37224867
words change over time. "faggot" can mean a bundle of stick or a cigarette or someone who is extremely gay and annoying.

You're a white knight. You're defending women from slander of evil opinions and harmful words on the internet.

oh I'm sorry. men, not women. That's a huge world of difference according to a nu-white knight.

nu-white knight? Does that sound better?

How about alt-white knight?

>>37224692

there needs to be an expanded knighthood system since making up words and stupid shit is what everybody is doing anyway.

this would constitute as a red knight. a radfem would be pinkknighting, the entire concept basically revolves around "he wuz a good boi" anyway.

>>37224671

I'm OP and I never reacted that way at all. I find it interesting how the chans overlap; I especially find it interesting how the meme sites overlap, and how /r9k/ and MGTOW are like two estranged identical brothers that never talk but act almost exactly the same way. Seeing different groups or communities or what have you act so similarly is interesting to me since it shows how meme culture is growing the way it is.

>>37225033
>/r9k/ and MGTOW are like two estranged identical brothers that never talk but act almost exactly the same way

more than half the thread is making fun of MGTOW, for various reasons.

>>37224952
>>37225018
>>37224952
You're reaching really hard.

Pretending for a second that you're not a complete moron, how does comparing me to something you not like invalidate my opinions or life choices?

>>37221504
The movement is great in theory. In the socially distant world we live in, a support group that's all about helping you to be happy on your lonesome is extremely important. This applies doubly so for men, who've been taught that if you aren't slaying pussy on the regular, then you're a failure of a human being.

But because it's a topic that involves gender, you can't really have a reasonable discussion about it without attracting a bunch of Tumblr/pol/white knight/incel shitposters.

>>37222481
pua mgtow are purple pill. they are okay I consider them my brothers I just hope they don't get in trouble because women are know to kill men for wasting their best years or accusing them of rape for not committing.

>>37221536
>If your absence in the dating pool isn't missed, you shouldn't be calling yourself MGTOW
t. fox
those sour grapes, didn't want them anyway right? Who cares if you can't have it. Those grapes should just go away not even tempting.

>>37221629
>Weird thing is that feminists hate MGTOWs.
How is it considered weird that feminist generally tend to hate men? They're quite open about it most of the time.

>>37221633
t. hipster
okay if you say so

>>37225275
But MGTOW is all about woman, and they still think if you aren't slaying pussy you're shit
Ironically, feminism tells you otherwise, sadly it's propably the only part it gets right, perhaps this is why everyone choses to ignore it

>>37225851
>and they still think if you aren't slaying pussy you're shit

That's hilariously incorrect. You dipshits aren't even pretending to be honest anymore. Also predictably >>37225145 doesn't get a single response. I guess actual arguments are too hard.

>>37221983
You're not part of the group so why do you think they should conform to your expectations? Men want to make their own decisions.

>>37222009
That's really not the point of it at all. A lot of guys just recognize it's a terrible deal having a legal obligation with a female. A lot of it could be solved if guys would act like slightly better judges of character, but at the same time it happens so often that obviously most people have a lot of misperceptions about what marriage and relationships are going to be and rather over emphasizing what they actually are committed to doing.

>>37221779
>gatekeeping

lol triggerkin detected. Do you also find it 'problematic'?

>>37223860
that is not how it works women are always going side with feminism because it offers them everything without the responsibility. the only way to stop feminism is to led the government run out of money without a government the women will summit to men.

>>37226071
No, it has nothing to do with female character because women can do these things with zero repercussions. Even a "perfect" woman could randomly decide to screw you over because there'd be no downside for her.

There will be another guy at least as well off and good looking waiting for her after she guts you. Women are not capable of wielding that kind of power responsibly.

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>>37221504
>be MGTOW
>generally unattractive
>if you weren't so fat the jocks would've have dumped you in a trash can
>emit odor of sweat and cheetos 24/7
>never had a solid job
>muh INTJ
>find qti3 on plebbit
>18 yr. old emo chick
>piercings everywhere, but "I can change her"
>get caught having sex with a minor
>they're also a trap
>give up on women
>call women pigs and be the nice goy by saying they only exist to breed
>"Les rosties are going to be pissed now that I'm a MGTOW!"
>nobody gives a shit
>die cold and alone a virgin
>/b/ captures your decaying body on tape and uploads it

MGTOW is either men that had way too much BS from women,or incels that are "nice guys"
The second type are just quitters

well rip thread it was a good run

What I find of weird is how they're pursuing the same outcome (Life without relationships and stuff) has the outcome that comes naturally to me being reclusive, autistic, lazy and perpetually tired.

>>37227043
Yeah no, clearly you didn't know that person very well. People don't just wake up one day and decide, welp I'm just going to destroy this person for no reason. I've had girlfriends that tried to get revenge on me for leaving trying to hurt me as much as possible, actually they left me first but were pissed I didn't go after them begging for them to come back. It was just in their character to treat people like shit with lies and situations like that. I simply over looked it until it came to bite me in the ass. Nawalt

>>37227676
were you trying to disprove or prove his statement

>>37227676
Your mistake is in thinking that women think the same way men do. Women do not think the same way men do at all. Once a woman has written off a relationship mentally she can rationalize any action she takes against you as justified.

>>37227757
His statement is stupid. It's not going to effect taxes ever. In fact since women are the primary beneficiaries of taxes and receive more in services from tax dollars where as men have to pay in and receive less just shows society is basically what they complain about being a "nice guy" where they do these things for women but it's not because they're nice. They think women are weak, incapable, and need the pity/charity. So I don't know what that guy thinks that'll do short of getting taxed even more because when taxes get raised it's not going to be on females as that would just be totally counter productive to the reason they even collect and spend taxes, they are spending most of the taxes on females. They're not going to take money from them and re-spend it on them. It's going to be coming from men one way or another.

>I'm not a coward I'm just scared of getting burned!
I feel for them but I don't think ignoring the issue is the right solution.
Although, I'm 19, autistic, generally a recluse, and haven't really tried to get a girlfriend for a few years now. So maybe I'm not the best person to be talking shit about stuff I only observed.

>>37227997
The issue is there's zero way to protect yourself. The laws and courts massively favor females, and in the event of divorce payments they take a cut so they'll throw out any kind of prenup that doesn't give her half of all assets + alimony. If you have kids and she wants the kid you never get to see the kid again and can have you jailed for trying. You'd have to be insane to take those kinds of risks.

>>37227997
im 20 and fit the bill but have had girlfriends. i think its a lot of things that build up. you can put in a lot of work just to have it destroy your bank account and your heart and apart from the idea of having someone to love what benefit is there to dating

>>37228055
Yep that's why we shouldn't ignore the issue and actively find ways to help men. Easier said than done but I think if we work at it, we can change the system.

>>37228203
The only way to fix it is to pull the money out of it. Women won't ever work the kind of jobs and hours men do, and working women won't want to support single mothers.

Pleas to make legislation better over time will change nothing, especially when massive amounts of tax dollars continue to go to lobbyists who push these kinds of laws in the first place.

>>37228247
Obviously pestering the courts to change isn't going to work. We need to do what they did and get the younger generation on board. We have to reverse the "all men are trash" mindset and propaganda to make men seem like humans again. After that, then pestering the courts will start to work. Again, easier said than done.

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I wouldn't even know where to get a girlfriend or a wife.

I kind of want a girlfriend, but mostly for the experience. Marriage seems terrible.

>>37228500
really decide if you want a girlfriend. its not for everyone im someone whos had 3. i find that they just dont interest me at all. its not their stupid its just that there is a sort of involvement that takes its toll but maybe its just my autism. i cant stand people trying to cook with me and my gf at the time would always to to be in the kitchen with me i tried giving her menial shit to do but she just started complaining that i was doing all the important stuff so i had to remind her that i said i didn't like people cooking with me which was a personal attack on her fro some fucking reason.

tl:dr they wont ever let you be

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>>37228632

I don't really want a girlfriend to HAVE a girlfriend, I want a girlfriend to have had the girlfriend experience. That way, I can feel more like a normal person and relate to the things I see in media and hear about in conversations.

I think I'm avoiding the creepy virgin thing well enough at least. Coworkers seem to think I've had girlfriends and had sex and all of that just as a function of my age, so I can't be too weird-seeming. I hope.

>>37221784
>/r9k/ is one person
admittedly I dont care about having a relationship, all I want is to be completely alone. but I'm not going to publicly declare ALL WOMEN ARE BITCHES AND WHORES, because I honestly don't care about other people. they dont affect my life.

>>37221784
Robots are more violent. If we had our way, there would be happenings every month.

>>37221564
I actually just noticed an attractive female checking me out the other day.

>>37229263

Judging by the responses my thread got, it's safe to say most people here think the same thing about MGTOW so it's not about /r9k/ being one person it's about how most people here think the same about MGTOW.