Intelligent Discussion Thread

>>Whats the most valuable thing in life
Having sex (no, seriously)
>>Do you have some kind of existentialist belief system that gives "meaning" to your life?
No. I'm pretty sure life has no meaning other than getting to the best possible situation. If you ask me what the best possible situation is, it includes fucking a hot girl who I'm in love with.
>>How do you feel about Varg saying that Autists are more "normal" than normies?
I don't really take Varg seriously. He says some legit shit but also a lot of retarded blabbering. Normies are obviously more normal than autists.

>>37188021
Ugh beliefs are self evident and boring. Flawed logic, false perception and baseless hypotheses are infinitely more interesting.
>>Whats the most valuable thing in life
Life itself duh.
>>Do you have some kind of existentialist belief system that gives "meaning" to your life?
Yes, my mother gave it to me and I'm very sentimental.
>>How do you feel about Varg saying that Autists are more "normal" than normies?
He's right, normal is abnormal.

Let the (You)s commence.

>Whats the most valuable thing in life

Having children and having a family and being successful.

>Do you have some kind of existentialist belief system that gives "meaning" to your life?

Having children. Because when I die the only remnant of me will be my children in that way I live forever.

>How do you feel about Varg saying that Autists are more "normal" than normies?

Idk. Maybe it makes sense cause were traditionalists and realists. Normies try to warp the nature of things by being open minded a d progressive and just end up fucking everything up.

>>37188021
The most valuable thing in life is money.
My belief system is economics.
Autistic people are better at focusing on profit, and thus are superior indeed.

>>37188099
Money has no value in itself though.

>>37188074
As someone who's fucked dozens of girls, been in 2 relationships (one i "loved," the other i didn't) i don't believe in the love aspect anymore. i see women as things to be enjoyed every so often. their femininity, sweetness, nurturing nature is definitely nice. its nice to cuddle, etc. But, at the end of the day, the novelty wears off. I enjoy my solitutde.

>>37188021
I try to live by the stoic philosophy

>>37188081
So give me some false perceptions you have that you think are interesting

What is this belief system your mom gave (you)?

>>37188144
So do I, anon. All the old greek guys were pretty on point. Have a (you)

>>37188099

I think money is pretty valuable. It buys you alot of things, experiences. It is power. What is money for (you) personally, anon?

>>37188135
First of all what the fuck are you doing here.
Second, I don't see love and sex as something you should be doing all the time. It's more like the most important thing you should be doing. I wouldn't like to get laid every day, even every week sounds like a hassle, but if I'm asked what's the best possible situation I could be in I immediately think of myself sitting on a throne getting my dick sucked.

I'll never be a king but I can realistically get the succ.

>>37188196
I was being sarcastic.
I think money is a joke, economics a meme, and Varg is a murderer who larps the pain away.

>>37188082
-What if your children end up like columbine?
-What if your wife divorce rapes you and the broken familial environment psychologically scars your children?

>>37188159
Life is a good one.
We give this property to animals which divides them from a static universe and grants them animal status when the constituent parts are no more animated or evidently imbued with some 'spirit' than the rest of reality is.

So either everything is animated or nothing is animated.

If nothing is animated, how am I able to post this, and if everything is animated, why is it inperceptible?

That's a fuckin thinking emoji right there.

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>>37188021
>Whats the most valuable thing in life
I believe it is knowledge, a sense of fulfillment, and a love and appreciation of art and culture
>Do you have some kind of existentialist belief system that gives "meaning" to your life?
I'm a recovering nihilist. I've been getting into Nietzsche lately and I really adore his idea of replacing God and religion, which is slowly dying out and leaving a big empty void which results in nihilism, with culture, art, philosophy and music. It's been making me feel much better. Every book I read and every new composer or film I listen to or watch makes me feel happy and accomplished.
>How do you feel about Varg saying that Autists are more "normal" than normies?
>Varg
Varg is a retard worshipped by faggot /pol/beards. Don't listen to that idiot.

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>>37188021
>>Whats the most valuable thing in life
Seeing things from another perspective, question everything and everyone, comprehend the very pillars that sustain our universe, become the masters of existence itself.

>>Do you have some kind of existentialist belief system that gives "meaning" to your life?
Not really, although i think we should give ourselves one, we should be our own master, not a submissive existence waiting to be assigned to an certain thing in order to keep the multiverse going

>>How do you feel about Varg saying that
Autists are more "normal" then normies?
Autists see the world through different eyes, they are not limited by our own mind's bounds, they can make logic out of something that has no logic because the very concept of logic to them is futile, thus they think freely about every single possible option and every single one of them thinks in a different way, so they don't need other people to discuss, their minds are all they need. Say, don't you think humans need to be more "individual"? since the birth of mankind we are a social species,our dependence on a social group is proof we still have a long way to go before we cease evolving and this only weakens us. if we want to evolve even further, to reach farther than anyone else, we must start by letting go of who we were the day before, and build upon what we are today.

My parents raised me to live to help other people and to raise a family. I ended up a KHV loser wagecuck. I guess right now I focus on trying to live as comfy as possible and put off my inevitable suicide for a little bit longer and to try as hard as I can to forget about any dreams of a gf or a loving family life.

>>37188238

bretty thoughtful anon.

>>37188262
>fulfillment
what fucking fulfillment

>>37188267
so do (you) think autists are an "evolution" in human development

>>37188285
why couldn't you see being single and childless as giving you maximum freedom? I see husbands wandering around like lost puppies behind their wives in supermarkets all the time. I see relationships as a women's biological imperative and a man's folly.

Could (you) not see it a different way anon?

>>37188267
>comprehend the very pillars that sustain our universe
>comprehend
good luck with that one, anon

>>37188238
Life is a biological process. The difference between an animal and a lifeless object is that the animal is composed by animal cells. Plants and other living beings are made of plant cells. Rocks are not composed by cells.

That's the difference between living beings and inert things. Obviously you still have animal cells when you die until you decay, but they're no longer doing any biological functions.

>>37188223
Anything that is worth a damn in this world has risks.
Btw I'm currently married and my wife knows I'd kill her if she cheated and made me pay child support or ruined me finamcially. You can fucking leave without being heartless and wicked.

>>37188317
You know, just the feeling knowing that you've been doing things that better you as a person. That you've been honing your skills, increasing your knowledge and just improving yourself in general.

>>37188373
Billions of years of procreation and natural selection brought you into existence.
>decide not to procreate
What ever my dude less cooperation for my blood line thanks.

>>37188337
in a certain way yes, the individualism of their behavior is something we need to take in our culture
yet, because of the other effects of autism, they should be considered mentally unstable people.
Basically i think that autism is the next step in human evolution, but we haven't addapted to it yet because our minds won't let go of one's old self, we can't tap into the real potential of individualist thinking.
that's why it's getting more and more common for people to be born with autism, yet they act retarded.
Evolution doesn't happen over night.

>>37188373
Oh wow I have so much freedom! My paycheck is wholly mine! No cruel wife to stop me from doing whatever I please!
My bed's still empty. Girls won't give me the time of day. I haven't spoken to anyone outside of work in two years. Every day I come home and sit in my apartment and do NOTHING. No amount of possessions can fix the problem I have.

>>37188415
i hope that works out for you. if im in a good enough position in life where i feel i can leverage the person i am against their incentives to cheat, leave, etc then i could consider it. I think it'd be cool to raise a son

>>37188395
Cells are just configurations of material organised in such a way to display a system of mechanical responses.

Is a set of scales that balances alive?
It could well be if we constructed it from cytoplasm by your definition.
Life's a false designation based on a human scale of perception and coincidence.

>>37188473
I make 42k a year my wife makes 23k together we live pretty comfy and I literaly do what I want with my money. I have an oculus rift. And all the games I could want. There's nothing I don't get if I really want.
You're just too much of a little bitch to tell your wife what to do.

>>37188473
i dont think highly of materal things either. why not go to thailand and fuck hookers? get a motorcycle?

>>37188494
I literaly told and tell my wife if she ever fucks me financially or does some heartless shit is murder her. Like she can fucking leave you know you don't HAVE to make me pay child support or take all my shit.
That would make me really depressed and suicidal. And if you make me suicidal I'm taking you with me.
So we hae great understanding c:
Normie women and most fembots tbink they could even have the option of taking your possessions or just using men in marriage. Cheating on him AND THEN on top of that demanding child support. It just not being happy and wanting child support. Tbh this is why I was against marriage and I advocate most normies against it. Sometimes you just have to beta man and tell a bitch what's up.

>>37188521
what value does your wife give your life? (seriously)

>>37188501
Life is, objectively speaking, the process of birth and growth until death of physical objects composed by cells. What constitutes an object as a cell has to do with the configuration of actually inanimate matter. So yeah, living beings are composed of inanimate matter and energy.

We are alive because we were born and still realize self sustaining processes. Eventually out bodies stop doing said processes and become lifeless objects that undergo decay. It's not that complicated.

Besides, every term we use is based on a human scale of perception and coincidence. After all, reality is just a perception.

>>37188628
Well she's beautiful and she's also very sweet and caring, she makea me feel loved and cared, she brings a deep affection into my life. She deepthroat my dick or fucks me literaly every day and wants kids. She understands that sec is important part of a succesfull marriahe and we rarely go more than a day or 2 without it. She understands its unfair to make a man pay child support or take his shit financiaky and take advantage of family court favouritism and that it warrants literal murder being so heartless. So yeah she's a perfect companion. She plays raimbow six siege with me. She's very red pilled. She's great.

>>37188628
She also understands not putting ourselves me or her in situations of vulnerability or leaving doors open for example having friends of the opposite sex or going out partying etc.

>thread about intelligent discussion
>half of the posts is a normie bragging about his wife
why do I even come here anymore

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>>37188752
/r9k/ works in mysterious ways

>>37188752
Well I answered Ops question to what brings fulfillment and it was kids and success.
Tben he asks about divorce and if it's worth it etc
I answer why it's worth it and how my relationship works to explain why I'm not really worried about it
And then some dude asks MORE about my wife and what she brings to the table.
You see I'm just answering questions at this point it never started off about my wife you mongoloid.
Your jelouseness and bitterness is showing. You Just can't stand happy story's can you, you fucking pasty lunchable eating troglodyte.

>>37188675
Reality is more than perception, because inperceptible events control perceptible outcomes.
Think about superposition and the uncertainty paradox. These events defy full perception by their nature.

Anyway I'm glad you agree. Stars are born, grow and die. But we don't consider them alive because they aren't made of jelly.

Silly word.

>>37188021
>What's the most valuable thing in life?
Family

>Do you have some kind of existential belief system that gives "meaning" to your life?
If I'm alive once, why can't I be alive again? The way I see it, there are two possibilities. Either consciousness is something more than a compilation of cells, and something happens to it after you die, OR it's simply a combination of cells, meaning that, in an infinite universe, that combination is cound to eventually come into existence again. Whether or not it's truly "me" is another matter, but just knowing that whatever it is that makes up my consciousness will atleast not be truly gone forever, one way or another.
That, and I do believe in God. In it's most basic meaning, and universally agreed upon by almost every religion, God is simply the great powerful force that created the universe and all the laws of physics and chemistry within it.
Obviously some great force that we don't fully understand had to have created this world. I just also happen to believe that force still impacts the universe today. That's what I call God; a force that we can't fully understand that has an ongoing impact in this world.
There is no denying that there are countless factors in this world that humans will never know about let alone understand.

>Autists being more normal that normies
Garbage. The autists, meaning us, may be based and realistic, but normies are normies for a reason. They represent the vast majority of people. That's what a norm is. Whether they are putting on a show or being fake is irrelevant. That's the norm.

>>37188882
Reality is the perceived existence (which is all that has physical presence) and "truth" as concepts can also be real.

We can't actually know for sure if anything is real. You might as well be a brain in a jar receiving electronic impulses that make you perceive a computer screen in front of you, a physical body and all the shit you go through. We can only assume our perception is real.

>>37188540
>just do completely superficial things to give your life meaning
What would a hooker do to make my life feel less empty? How would a motorcycle make me feel less lonely?

>Whats the most valuable thing in life

Freedom.

>Do you have some kind of existentialist belief system that gives "meaning" to your life?

Not really. I've followed religious doctrines in the past, but I don't think we'll ever understand our "purpose". My life as of right now is just to try and enjoy, but since I'm posting here that's not working out.

>How do you feel about Varg saying that Autists are more "normal" than normies

I don't follow varg, but I can see where he's coming from with this. I don't really have an opinion on it though.

>>37188021
>Whats the most valuable thing in life
Trick question. Life has no value.
>Do you have some kind of existentialist belief system that gives "meaning" to your life?
My meaning is to find meaning. On the side, I want to see the very limit of human tech.
>How do you feel about Varg saying that Autists are more "normal" than normies?
Who?

>>37188698
not bad for (you)

>>37189006
Now this is where it gets funky.
Somebody hooked up a magnetic resonance imager to a cats visual cortex and read it's sight off it's brain.

Matched up somewhat close to the input feed but with some spooky discrepancies.

Go look it up.

Anyway the big problem with a totally illusory reality is its too detailed to simulate, so it's probably partially real.
Sort of a plea to the idea that whoever hooked up your brain jar would be too lazy to simulate your full sensory input and have it be consistent. Because we keep finding physical laws and evidently it's quite consistent.

>>37189079
>Freedom

I find freedom to be the most over rated concept. If I was a slave to a resourceful family which provided me of good care, good food and a girlfriend in exchange for my labor and freedom of speech, I'd be much better off than having to work a shitty job of my choice, cooking the shitty food I can afford with my limited resources and fucking my hand every day to whatever porn I'm free to watch.

Obviously slaves had it much worse in practice, but there are thing more important than freedom.

>>37189159
except that the slave doesn't get to choose and doesn't ever have the option to change his circumstances. you could (theoretically) change your circumstances, unless you're horrifically ugly, disabled, etc etc

>>37189118
>Sort of a plea to the idea that whoever hooked up your brain jar would be too lazy to simulate your full sensory input and have it be consistent.
Who knows. Maybe the actual reality is much more complex than the one I perceive. Maybe there's much more than five senses and three visible dimensions. Maybe I'm just hooked up to lifesimulator.exe running in someone's computer while the brain next to me is living in a completely different galaxy.

>>37189220
>you could (theoretically) change your circumstances
Yeah, but I could also have forced circumstances that are better than the circumstances I can possibly get by my own means, in which case I'd rather forfeit my freedom.

>>37189159
I see where (you) are coming from, but I think just a difference in worldview between us here. I respectfully disagree, but I understand you're point.

>>37189118
just watched that. p spooky anon

>>37189264
you're also at their mercy if they decide to withhold the gf for whatever reason :^)

>>37188021
>What's the most valuable thing in life
Dunno. For me, it's understanding.
>Do you have some kind of existentialist belief system that gives "meaning" to your life?
No, I'm struggling with this. My current hurdle is that I find everything around me meaningless whenever I think of it, but I can't pinpoint why. All I know right now is that something meaningful must apply equally to all people, and have a significance greater than the basic world of the senses. Depression has shown me that our grasp on the world and society is really quite tenuous and most convictions only exist because they apply to most people. I need to find something greater than that.
>How do you feel about Varg saying that Autists are more "normal" than normies?
Dunno, that sounds a bit silly to me. We're all animals reacting to stimuli at the end of it, and I can't blame most people for getting wrapped up in the normal world when it's all they'll ever know.

Some anon threw me for a loop last night when he said that emotions override thinking to a degree, because I observed my own behavior today and it appeared true. As it stands now, it looks like the only road to happiness for someone who seeks understanding is unintentional delusion. Otherwise, you get caught up in fighting your own biology, and that's a trap you can't escape.

>>37189370
That's what I get for being a shitty slave.

>>37188021

>>Whats the most valuable thing in life
Sleeping, eating and fapping, only things i can find pleasure in.
>>Do you have some kind of existentialist belief system that gives "meaning" to your life?
No, that's why i'm killing myself as fast as i get my lazy ass to go out and do it once and for all.
>>How do you feel about Varg saying that Autists are more "normal" than normies?
Autism.

If anybody can read spanish and is interested i'll post one of my two suicide notes, there's some philosophical shit in there.

>>37188021
the most valuable thing in my life is my brother. only friend i've ever had.
brother is only thing I live for. is there something greater out there? idk, hard to wrap my mind around the point of origin for everything, because that too must have had a point of origin.
don't know who Varg is but i disagree with that statement, at least at face value

>>37189722
come on man spanish suicide notes? can u translate it please?

>>37189759
It's pretty long, the second one is more than twice longer though. I'll try.

Suicide - Generals: (part 1)

Why? It's kinda hard to explain, i'll try to express it the best i can. When a man and a woman decide to have a son, that person isn't choosing to live, but he's being forced to. That person may enjoy his life and be happy, he could be born into a decent family, in a stable country, and enjoy his existance. He may not have any physical or psychological illness, or he could, but even then, live beyond those and get to enjoy his time alive. That person wouldn't be forced to live anymore because he'd enjoy living. But also he could be unhappy 100% of the time. Maybe he'd be sad, or angry all the time, or not really feeling anything, being empty, not having passions or hobbies, neither a past or a future, he could hate life and himself, everyone and everything. This person would be being forced to live a life he doesn't need, nor want. This person thinks all day, everyday, about dying, hopes to stop existing and questions everything's essence. His biggest dream, his objective, is to cease living. This is seen as something selfish by the same people that force him to live, like leaving behind the ones who love you with a huge sadness. What these people don't understand, is the hypocresy thinking this way expresses, as they're the selfish people, forcing somebody who doesn't want to live, to live a meaningless life, a life that everyday makes him sink deeper into a bottomless abyss, and when he expresses how he feels and wanting to die, they toture him even more, still just thinking about themselves and not him. When he realizes this, the person reaches the top of suicidal state, and realizes that his wish to die is correct, and it cannot be denied.

>>37190029
Excuse any gramatical nightmares by the way, i speak english but not lots.

>>37190049
It's perfectly readable. Keep going.

Suicide - Generals: (part 2)

As i said before, a man and a woman can decide to have a son. This person is forced to live. But when the couple doesn't plan the birth, but it's an accident, this person isn't just being forced to exist, but the mere fact that he exist is an accident. Actually, no, not an accident. Life itself is an accident, as calling something an accident implies that the fact has no author, no one made it happen. This person's life is, because of his parent's stupidity, which means it's a mistake. My existance is a mistake. I'm being forced to live a life i don't want, calling me sellfish when i act down, but in the end, i'm right, my dead wish is not wrong, not a bad thing.

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, they'd say. Well first, in my case it's a permanent problem, and gets worse everyday, but besided that. Of course it's a permanent solution, that's what people want, permanent solutions. If there's a leak on a pipe, you'd want it permanently fixed, not broken back in two days.

Suicide is the easy way out, they'd say. If it was that easy, i, and a whole lot of other people, would have done it long ago. Besides, they call me lazy, it'd be logic for me to take the easy way out, but it isn't even like that, because it's not easy. Beating your biological survival instinct, buried so deep into your brain, just with cognitive strenght and will, is the hardest thing anybody could ever do.

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That's it for the first note. It's a bit... i sound more stupid than i remember. Second one is too long and more personal.

>>37189431
>All I know right now is that something meaningful must apply equally to all people

Why must this be true? I would think it would be more correct to say that the opposite is true, and that the meaning to one's life is almost completely personal. For something to have meaning, it is given meaning by both our individual and the collective consciousness, so a significant part of finding meaning (in anything) is assigning meaning to it with our own thoughts. Meaning is completely arbitrary in that way, whether it be a moral, existential, or whatever, the consciousness of your culture and your own mind give meaning and relevance to things and concepts.

>>Whats the most valuable thing in life
For me it is stability
>>Do you have some kind of existentialist belief system that gives "meaning" to your life?
Not at all.
>>How do you feel about Varg saying that Autists are more "normal" than normies?
Maybe some truth to it who knows.

>>Whats the most valuable thing in life
Nothing to some, emotions to most
>>Do you have some kind existentialist belief system
Not really, I'm trying to form it over time but I over analyze everything so it's hard to find meaning when everything looks machine like to me
>How do you feel about Varg...
Don't really care

>>37188021
idk
nope
don't care