How do you overcome nihilism?

join the military it will fix that

>>37113352
Can't, I have fucked up feet and knees

>>37113311
I don't know, but I kinda want more pictures like that

>>37113311

self actualization or something

>>37113311
You don't, really. It's just the self-curing effect of autism. You see, autism is largely genetic, and by being inflicted with depression and nihilism, we are more likely to commit suicide so our autism genes are eliminated from the pool. So, for the future of humanity, I recommend we all off ourselves.

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>>37113474
>pictures like that
Like what? Pictures about depression you mean?
>>37113509
That leads nowhere.

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>>37113311
Study biology, chemistry philosophy, and mathematics. Then realize that nihilism is bullshit and god exists.

>>37113554

how do you know? have you lived up to your full potential? then why are you posting on /r9k/? LOL

>>37113628
>lived up to your full potential?
Normie buzzwords

>>37113810

lol that's the definition of self actualization retard

>>37113311

Not trying to be that guy, but you should try DMT if you ever get the chance. You might snap out of it

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>>37113311
You don't. Nihilism is the final stage of philosophy. Meaning and purpose are objectively and purely human social constructs. You are a sack of shit- fact. You're driven by chemical reactions that are complicated to such a degree that they create the illusion of being something more than you are -fact. There is no soul and a god, even if it exist, cannot be proven to exist. Organized religion is a literal meme. Children don't continue shit and after X generations, your genetic heritage will be completely degraded. Your DNA, along with all evidence of your existence will be destroyed by entropy.
>inb4 muh fedora muh edge
Try refuting any of this, brainlettos.

>>37113595
>god exists
>muh pretty pattern sequence muh golden ratio muh fibonacci
Scientific proof is due, brainlet.

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CLEAN YOUR ROOM

And find something that makes the suffering of life worth it

>>37113853
What makes you snap out of it? DMT is just the vector for change, but why do you say that it might make me "snap out of it"? What insight would it bring that would invalidate nihilism
>>37113899
>final stage of philosophy
It's often called babby's first philosophical thought though.
>>37113903
My room is clean
>something that makes the suffering of life worth it
Anime, porn and junk food makes me forget about it for a while but it eventually comes back

>>37113933
>It's often called babby's first philosophical thought though.
Because low-IQ edgelords hijacked it. It ultimately doesn't matter, since nihilism is irrefutable.

>>37113853

>just do drugs lol

thanks for making me stupider

>>37114004
>nihilism is irrefutable
Aren't solipsism and absolute skepticism irrefutable as well? Irrefutability might also mean that it's a logical dead end yet might not necessarily imply that it is a valuable insight.

I agree with you by the way, but I still have some doubts as to whether nihilism really is both irrefutable and undeniable

Because living a quite hobbit lifestyle where meaning and enjoyment is in the smallest things is more productive.

>>37113933
>why do you say that it might make me "snap out of it"?
Subjective revelations can't be explained to another person, anon. But DMT trips you out wildly, and sometimes that ego death and change in perspective is all somebody needs.

>>37113311
Take pleasure in the tiny things in life, like the sun in the morning or the bird's chirping in the spring

>>37114090

>quite

lol your dumb

>>37113903
I really really like this post. Thanks for sharing Kermit :)

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>>37113311
>that image
I'm fucked, aren't I? Should I just off myself?

>>37113899
This. Nihilism is just an absolute law. It's indisputable fact that nothing matters. It doesn't have anything to do with your clinical depression.

>>37114204
>. It's indisputable fact that nothing matters.
how do you prove it?

>>37114064
>Aren't solipsism and absolute skepticism irrefutable as well
Yes, they are and do not ultimtely contradict nihilism. The world might not be real and it would still lack percievable objective meaning.

>valuable insight
Valuable to whom? How do you objectively define value?

>>37114168
You can do the "fake it till you make it approach". I pretended enough time to care about what people say and it started coming naturally. It's like being confined in an isolation cell and having only the evangelical channel- sooner or later you'll start watching it.

>>37114242
>how do you prove it?
Meaning is a byproduct of the chemical box. There is nothing to prove if meaning doesn't objectively exist.

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>>37114310
>Meaning is a byproduct of the chemical box.

>don't even know my grandfather's name
Lol and I bet he thought his children were his legacy. Kind of sad really, but in a matter-of-fact way. 95% of the Earth's species have gone extinct. It's all just randomness, isn't it?

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This is the only way. Recognize the futility in everything, and instead embrace the insanity of living a meaningless life.

Nihilism is not the answer, but the result of lacking one. While you may live your life for what you think is nothing, and you may die thinking you have acquired nothing, your changes on the world around you, will in it's own tiny way, cultivate a society where one day, a person will be born. A person, who will find the answer you could not.

"A society growsgreat when old men plant treeswhose shade they know they shall never sit in."

>>37114333
Chemicals don't tell us they are chemicals, otherwise the operations of the brain would be common sense.

>>37114333
That's exactly the point. I don't trust them. That doesn't stop them from being responsible for the existence of the concepts of proof, meaning etc.

It's either
>my solipsistic chemical brain created these concepts
>other people's chemical brains did
In both cases, they are false and subjective.

>>37114401
>your changes on the world around you, will in it's own tiny way, cultivate a society where one day, a person will be born. A person, who will find the answer you could not
That is a great idea. Kudos if you came up with that. I fear it falls in the category of pseudo-altruism (doing things for others because it's unconsciously good for you), but it's still a great sentiment.

>>37114401
>A person, who will find the answer you could not.
And then they die and disappear and you couldn't care even if you wanted since you're dead too. Take your facebook-tier motivational wank somewhere else.

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>>37113311
Nihilism is a philosophy that you can interpret two ways.

You know there's here's no point to anything. Either you are motivated by desperation and scarcity so you withdraw from the world and stay sad and don't do anything. Or you're motivated by inspiration and abundance so you live a fulfilling life where you push your boundaries, conquer your fears, fuck girls, make money and create your own purpose and your own legacy.

I know this is an alien concept to many people here since all your lives you've only ever been motivated by desperation, running away from one thing towards another. and can't conceive of doing something difficult or scary just because you can.

Nihilism isn't the thing that needs to be overcome, its the mindset of desperation and scarcity that needs to be overcome. Once you get rid of that you can do anything. You get rid of it by forgiving yourself and realising that happiness and confidence aren't things that you attain through external accomplishments or posessions, they're just your default state and you're currently blocked from that state by all the emotional bullshit that life has given you. Meditation helps.

Nice dubs btw

>>37113595
>biology, chemistry, and mathematics
>Then realize that nihilism is bullshit and god exists
nigga what

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>>37113933
The point is not to use escapist methods to numb your feelings toward life, but to sort yourself out and get rid of the anchors holding you down so that you can bear your burden, live forthrightly in the world, and adopt responsibility that will give your life meaning.

TRAVEL TO THE UNDERWORLD

RESCUE YOUR FATHER

SLAY THE DRAGON

And watch JP videos, because he presents a moral dilemma that makes it hard to be nihilistic anymore, at least for me.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=xY48e1oDXSU

>>37114605
>muh "at the bottom of the cup" bullshit fallacies and abstract "if fibonacci exists den g*d confirmed" mindwanks.

>>37114517
I actually don't think it's good for me, per say, rather than I think it's good in general.

Not to split hairs over the subjectiveness of morality, I do think it is possible to improve things for the sake of progress.

The only way I think it would benefit me, is some crazy future where they recreate every dead person from tiny bits of DNA, and somehow my clone is exactly me, but even then I doubt that clone of me would be "me", but that kinda falls into the category of having a soul, which I don't believe in either.

I've pretty much acknowledged the fact that my death is an absolute, you know, the whole "death and taxes" quote, and while I won't see the future, maybe things can be done so the human race can.

I know, brain chemicals, no soul, etc, etc. I don't know how else to justify improvement of others. Maybe in just recognizing I can never solve X, I would rather it be solved, than no one solving it. Kinda like helping someone else beat a video game boss that killed you.

>>37114333
Fuck you, I wanted to post that.

>>37114541
This entire thread is about nihilism and brain chemical stuff motivating you to not off yourself, emotions are a part of this, wank or not.

You don't overcome nihilism you just ignore it until it doesn't matter anymore

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>>37114064
>but I still have some doubts as to whether nihilism really is both irrefutable and undeniable

nihilism isn't irrefutable. nihilism makes total sense in that it is logically correct pending on the axioms adopted. The question lies in what makes the axioms you adopt correct at all. Nothing, they're taken on faith. nihilism makes the case that there is no objective meaning, based on the fact that there is no empirical proof
This is where the inconsistency begins. Why do you rely on empirical evidence? Couldn't it just be false? Where is the evidence for empiricism? There is none. Do you now no longer trust your senses? This line of thinking leads you down a rabbit hole where you believe in nothing and rely on nothing
So why do you get up in the morning or eat for that matter, you'll say because it's a biological imperative, how do you know? and then you'll provide the empirical evidence which I'll ask where's the evidence for this evidence. We return back to this magical source where we don't know. The consistent nihilist will then throw it all out the window and return to accepting nothing.

We can't know what truth is yet you hypocritically accept certain "truths" that tell you there is no truth. Certain "truths" are accepted not because they're "true", it's because they work. If current geometry was nothing but a projection of the human mind while completely false in reality, would it matter? No, we would still consider it true because it works. Humans intuitively believe there is meaning, it works and it is therefore true. You can't apply logic where it doesn't work

>>37114550
Even if you do that shit you talk about, at the end it won't matter. Life has no real purpose nor we have a destiny to fulfill.

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don't overcome it

EMBRACE IT FRIEND O

Any time someone is nihilistic around you, remember that they're only using nihilism as any excuse to be lazy. Nihilism never stops them from eating cake.

For an identical "philosophy" used in an identical way, look at determinism.

>>37114541
These are just small things to take solace in. There is obviously no meaning to life

>>37114677
It benefits you because it feels good to do "the right thing"

>>37113899
Or you go into existentialism. Although you are correct, we don't live life as an all viewing point of knowledge. While we may acquire what we deem universal truths, we ultimately live life in our own falsehoods (or our own truths, facts don't matter at this point).

Thus begins existentialism, where we attempt to enjoy our lives to revolt against nihilism. It's definitely a more-so modern viewpoint, as early human history wouldn't allow them the time to do so. I'd argue post-humanism will occur once most of us are on board the existentialist train and dive 100% into science.

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>>37113311
idk lol

I do believe that nothing matters which is in line with nihilism. I haven't read Nietzsche's bullshit in a long time so I don't remember all the details.

My philosophy is that it doesn't matter that nothing matters.

I can still enjoy the cool wind on a sunny day and all of the big and small joys and pleasure in life.

It''s just something that you grow out of typically.

Lol at all the brainlets in this thread. Start with the Greeks.

>>37113899
I remember my freshman year of high school too lil nigga.

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Nihilism is how children cope with the massive
pressures of experience.

Make no mistake, there IS meaning out there. And it's not even of the "u make it urself XD" type either.

The thing is, to begin to find it, you have to have a willingness to face your darkest thoughts and be willing to let go of your ideas about reality. It's really painful, I've been there more times than I care to admit, but over time I've begin to see just how bullshit the nihilist worldview actually is.

Basically robots, each day you face a choice. You can either stick with your comfortable nihilism but feel trapped, or you can take dives and see things more clearly.

>>37114040
steve jobs did alot of acid
he says tripping acid was one of the most important things he ever did in his life

>>37115729
>dude just take a chance bro
>"ok but what if the chance doesn't work out?"
>lol dude it doesn't matter you're gonna die anyway

tell me how that isn't congruent with nihilism

also yes, you do make your own meaning. god doesn't exist, at least not any abrahamic god.

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>>37115139

This. When I discovered nihilism it just made me more humble towards the views and differences of others. You don't have to go full emo just because you discover that you're not special.

>>37116236
Spoken like someone who's never taken a chance :)

>>37116311
Spoken like someone who doesn't have an argument.

>>37116336
Since when has life been about "arguments" dude? My argument is my experience.

I have been in the very depths of nihilism. I have almost lost my mind too many times out of sheer terror of the supposed meaninglessness of it all. But the less I wanted to fight against these thoughts, the more I began to see that they were just that - thoughts.

I'm not discounting your feelings. I'm not saying you don't have every right to feel utterly despondent. I'm just saying that your feelings, whilst seeming completely true right now, in reality aren't, and that they are able to be overcome if you're so willing.

>>37116439
>My argument is my experience.
So you don't have an argument?

With absurdism.

>>37116453
If meaning were real, do you really think it could be discovered by reading about it?

>>37113311
By accepting that every action I take has consequence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7DaMfneZhE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-sYDf0YGv4

>>37116491
This. Objective meaninglessness is a great thing if you just look at it the right way. No need for it to depress you.

>>37113311
Nihilism gave me a positive outlook on the world.

If everything is meaningless nothing matters so you are ultimately free to achieve whatever you want.

>>37114550
>You get rid of it by forgiving yourself and realising that happiness and confidence aren't things that you attain through external accomplishments or posessions, they're just your default state and you're currently blocked from that state by all the emotional bullshit that life has given you.

Pretty sure you get rid of it by having been born into a relatively wealthy family in a decent country. Your entire "motivated by" bullshit is actually "starts off from a position of", read it like that and you have the reality of the situation.

>>37114761
this is interesting.
so are you making a case for agnosticism? not necessarily as to whether or not a god exists but a " i dont know " attitude towards life in general

Knowing knowledge forgoes our experience of our lives, that is where love carries it's self over.

>>37113899
U poor pathetic dumbass. God is real because u r real. U dont get that? Everything is just concept something "is" when u believe it and it "is not" when u deny it. Simple as that. And the beauty of science is why most people involved with or enjoy the arts know this from seeing and learning open ur eyes athiests r the down fall of modern man ur the problem with society anon!

>>37113311
By becoming an ubermensch. Nihilism is meant to be just tearing down the old values in order to impose your own original values as the overman.

>>37114632
I came in here to post this.

It's all you need.

>>37113933
Get.a.hobby u brap loovver

>>37113311
Threads like this are y the world is such a shitty place..anon u exist 4 urself and 4 ur family at base level, but u have infinite potential. U really cant see that?

>>37116713
This. I relish in and gain strength from the knowledge that in just a couple hundred years at most every trace of my existence will be wiped out, or at least no one will care. It takes a weight off my shoulders. I have no reason to pursue some ultimate purpose, I am free to simply enjoy my life whilst I am alive to live it.

>>37116856
Priests always pull this shit out when talking to Atheists.

>God is truth, anon. God is everything, everything you know to be true.

Maybe their is truth to that statement. I'm not so sure. Both of my parents are Anglican Priests yet Christianity stopped appealing to me around 13. For a while I just hated it and convinced myself there was no God, then I saw the church's use for building communities and actually went back to church for a while (pro tip it sucks and a lot of church goers are vapid cunts or just plain stupid.) There's this vast sea of possibilities on how I can approach finding God. I'm compelled towards Astrology, which might make me a fucking dumb ass.

>>37116862
>ubermensch

I liked this for a while but ultimately, the lonesome cold stoicism described very well in OP's pic didn't help my personal philosophies or life understanding grow. I understand the world best through my love for other people.

>>37117495
>their

there*, sorry for being a brainlet

>>37113352
god i hope this is bait
fucking piece of shit

>>37113311
>implying arguing is worthless
laughing at your life

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>>37116757
I'm saying the consistent nihilist must be agnostic in such a sense that it is impossible, a being will always seek something, first through his senses, then through his intuition and finally through his reason. People who call themselves nihilists tend to use their reason to destroy their intuition which is a core part of who they are. This is why nihilism is always seen as a negative, it destroys instead of builds.

>>37113311
You read The Myth of Sisyphus.

That's literally all it takes.

I know things don't matter so I just do things that are pleasurable to me. I used to get depressed but then I realized what was the point in being sad all the time about things out of my control. Nothing matters so might as well do shit that I like before my pointless death. Also I stay around to see the absurdity of life. things are so fucking weird. Like Trump. He fascinates me. I want to see what happens with him.

>>37113899
best post in this thread originally

>>37113311

I don't care enough to care about nihilism.

>>37113311
Try using your brain a little.

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>>37113595
Ha ha, I came to the total opposite conclusion. God is too small for the universe and time. It doesn't exist

>>37113311
You can't unlearn the truth. You can only keep going to absurdism.

Who here 'Ecclesiastes'?

Anyone who's nihilistic should give that a go. Convinced me that the OT scriptures really are from God - because I've never read anything as truthful as that anywhere else.

I really think hedonism is what's at the base of everyone's personality. Sort of like the core of their being. Coupled with conditioning and some thought.
I think nihilism is like a stepping stone to hedonism.

>>37113311
Indifference to evil acts is just as bad as committing them. You should fear any possible punishment and live a positive life to ensure that the god-mind will release you from your burden of existence.

>>37113899
Really?

When I open my math textbook at night I feel a rush of excitement, endless doors awaiting me

I will gladly push my boulder up my hill in eternal recurrence if that is the state of things. What do you have to say to that, you depressed pussy faggot?

One can know and intellectually comprehend the truth of what you say, but reject its emotional and philosophical significance.

You dont there is no turning back everything is pointless anon

>>37119008

>god too small for the universe

I guess you forgot the whole "infinite, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent" bit huh. Not a religious man myself but at least try to understand what people mean when they talk about "God".

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>>37113474
This one is pretty cool desu senpai