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>INFP
>matching with other INFPs
lel no, an INFPxINFP relationship is fucking depressing because all you do is wallow in feels and compete over whose feels are worse

>>36961717
>INTP
Yeah I can pretty much be friends with anyone

Why are ExTJ ideal matches for INTP?
Extroverted people stress me out

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INTP's should end it before it's too late.

INTPs are agreeable and empathetic, but since they're also borderline autistic, getting a partner in the first place is incredibly hard.

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ISTP looking for ESTJ qt

>>36961920
>average
>average
>average

>tfw i'm INTP and my oneitis is INFP
Will it ever work lads?

>>36961923
>INTPs are agreeable and empathetic
My family always tells me I'm a cold asshole.
I don't know how to react to people being emotional.

>>36961920
INTPs realise wage slavery is for cucks.

>>36961717
>have gotten both INTJ and ISFJ results
>they're not even very compatible with each other
???

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Fi is less selfish than Fe because Fi users typically try to empathise with people on an individual level by identifying similarities and using them to understand how being in their position would make them feel. Fe users care more about their own pre-conceived notions of "what is good" and mistakenly think that what they consider to be good is good for everyone regardless of individual circumstances and convictions.

INTP-A looking for emotional support.

>>36962100
>INTP
>shittiest image
How do I become vegeta?

>>36962046
The way to deal with emotional feelsy types is to just disregard them alltogether. You can't win with them.

>>36962060
unironically this. INTPs will work just enough to get by, they aren't trying to live by normalfag standards

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>>36962100
An Fi user is the type of person who has their own beliefs and ideals but mostly just keeps them to themselves while tolerating differentiation of opinion because they believe everyone is entitled to be their own person.

An Fe user, on the other hand, is more likely to jump down your throat for not believing in their idea of what is good because they think communities function better when everybody shares the same sentiments. An Fe user is more likely to alienate, judge or outright exile you for not sharing their viewpoint because their viewpoint is objectively correct and if you don't agree you're wrong and bad.

>>36962046
i don't even know how to react to my own emotions as INTP, how would I understand those of other people

>>36962100
Isn't Satou INFP?

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>>36962183
I don't know about that. He's not very good at expressing himself emotionally and seems to lead with TiNe rather than FiNe, sorting the rest of the world into systems and coming up with most of his ideas about humanity based on how they fit those systems rather than any concrete ideals.

>>36961717
>be ENTP
>no INFJ gf

what a cruel world

who wants to be my INFP friend, and then maybe more then that if we tolerate eachother

>tfw ESFP
>tfw few good matches

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>>36962178
For Fe it can be difficult to empathise with others. You have a moral compass, yes, but it's very grounded in objectivity rather than subjectivity, the latter of which is most beneficial for seeing eye to eye with others. There are definitely ways around this, though. You can learn to use your objective ideas of human socialisation to trickle down to the individual, finding others who are similar to you and, through them, understanding yourself better.

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>>36962139
>INTP looking for emotional support and has nothing to offer in return, expecting someone to put up with them while they do almost nothing to help themselves and only vaguely acknowledge their issues

You're really running out of options, huh? Never change, /r9k/.

>T women are written off as bitches
>F men are written off as pussies

It's not fair.

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>ENTP grandfather

He won't stop fucking talking but once in a while I'll sit down and have a conversation with him. Despite that he doesn't seem to care about anything that isn't scientific and concrete.

>INFP is my ideal
I don't want to be a punching bag for some loser

>>36961717
>ESTJ best for INTP
is this the meme that you're supposed to 'offset' a partner's flaws?

>>36962183
I think I do remember Misaki mentioning in a session with him, something to do with "introverted feeling", or "intuitive feeling" relating to him, I think. Hard to say if she's right, though, I'd judge him as more of an INTP but it's honestly hard to tell between T/F. Definately INXP, anyway.

>>36962261
>Magneto
>INFJ
He's textbook ENTJ, not saying that Dr.Doom is wrong. Also Selina (Catwoman) is ESTP. Also iconic ENTP villain is Joker.

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Who /loop/ here?

INFJ that feels almost nothing, despite having empathy and a strong moral compass. I've tried talking to different people and working with them to focus more on Fe, but progress is extremely slow.

Advice for the semi-functional on moving forward?

>INTP
>am shit at math, physics, and suck at everything academic in general
why

>>36962518
Magneto does what he does for his ideals, though. If he were an ENTJ, he'd be seeking power or his own station above all else. Instead he makes sacrifices of his own morality for what he believes to be the good of all mutant kind - that is classic INFJ FeNi behaviour. The good of the many outweighing the good of the few and an eye for an eye.

Catwoman is definitely an introvert, though. Think about how she lives her life: she's perffectly happy being left alone and living the life of a solitary cat burglar. She basically has to be dragged into helping other people or operating as part of a team because she much prefers to work alone. Likewise, I think it's far moe likely that she's an F than a T. She doesn't so much steal for monetary purposes as she does for the thrill of it all. She just loves being a thief because it indulges her klepto impulses. There's also a heart of gold beneath it all, however. She pictures herself as a modern Robin Hood in most depictions, stealign from those who deserve to have their riches stolen. In a lot of stories, she even uses her stolen goods to support the disenfranchised people in her life like Holly Robinson. That, to me, speaks more to the presence of Fi than anything else.

I considered using the Joker for ENTP, but I felt he was too batshit to properly exemplify ENTP behaviour without being derogatory. Negan accomplishes the same thing while leaving a buffer of sanity.

>>36961920
>intp
>made $320k so far this year
>still live the shut-in NEET lifestyle

Anyone else think the keys2cognition test is really unclear in the way it phrases its questions?
Is it really the most accurate?

>>36962667
What do you do senfamilia

>>36962667
how do you make so much monies?

>>36962686
>>36962722
Own a LOT of farmed land, invest on my own(shit like etrade or a personal investor are memes), and venture fund.
I'm just either good or lucky I haven't made a bad call yet.

>>36962584
>Instead he makes sacrifices of his own morality for what he believes to be the good of all mutant kind - that is classic INFJ FeNi behaviour.
That's not Magneto it's Charles Xavier. Just because Magneto has unhealthy Fi that doesnt makes him (compare how Charles sacrificed himself in order to stop Pheonix while Magneto merely used her for his own dream). Ra al Ghul is better INFJ villain (wants to save planet by killing people and even wants Batman to join him).
>Catwoman
Which one of adaptations? Poison Ivy is ISFP villain.

tfw ENTP who cant maintain a relationship because I overthink everything and start making the wrong conclusions after which I start acting like an INTP-tier autist

Dying alone aint so bad

>>36962756
I'd say Professor X is more of an example of an ENFJ than an INFJ. His Fe comes first, which means he reaches out to people first and comes up with ideas which helps to foster those relationships second. As an INFJ, Magneto comes up with ideas first and has those ideas driven by his Fe, which means that his empathy often gets lost in his idea of what is best for the people he allies himself with. Magneto is a freedom fighter and is definitely not without empathy, but his cognitive function stack makes him prone to going to extreme measures for the greater good. He's not inherently a people person, either: when not leading his Brotherhood, he's very insular. He enjoys reading, playing chess with his one good friend, contemplating his ideals and generally being left alone. As is the case with INxJs, however, his skill at exerting influence over others through words and actions would deceive the untrained eye into believing he's an extrovert.

Magneto's definitely an INFJ, an extremely unhealthy one in the vein of Hitler.

>>36962756
Also, I agree that Poison Ivy is probably a more concrete ISFP, in hindsight, but I still believe that Catwoman has shown plenty of ISFP qualities. At the very least, she isn't an extrovert and she has very little interest in social graces, other people and community. Ultimately, it comes down to ISxP

>>36962046
INTPs and ENTPs need to work on their empathy. The problem is people expect it out of them crystal clear and perfect right out of the box, so they never get to comfortably learn how to develop these skills. They tend be a muddled mess of cynical pedanticism and unapplied creativity. This coupled with the tendency for emotions often leading one to be volatile and rash doesn't give much of an opportunity to carefully unpackage and utilize the empathy drive. It's there, but it's like trying to talk with listerine swishing through your mouth.

>>36961717
Is it normal for INTPs to vacillate between complete aloofness towards girls and turning into a clingy paranoiac who treats her like one of his obsessions?

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What did they mean by this?
Site tells me it fits INTP but I thought INTP functions went Ti > Ne > Si > Fe

>>36962917
If by empathy you mean telling comfortable lies, you can fuck right off. Lying to people isn't empathetic, it is psychopathic and egoistic and harms the recipient more in the long run.

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>>36961717
Well i took the test and it said i was a INFP. What does that make me? Does that mean i'll be alone forever?

>>36963039
Yes, but anon you seem to forget more people are F's than T's, and F's are mostly incapable to do the rational thing in serious matters. Lying to them comes rationally, as an alternative way to escape reality. I hate lying, but sometimes you really have to. Either that or keep your mouth shut.

>>36962972
>What did they mean by this?
It looks like you're ISTJ/INTP hybrid or INTP on Ti-Si loop.

ISFP here. who wants to match with me? I'm super rare personality type. there are only 3 others.

>>36963081
>comes rationally
Fuck, I meant naturally

>>36963071
>What does that make me?
Males: INFP is most definitely a female type. INFP males may have a hard time (especially in their youth and teens). However, with their warm hearts and caring nature they just might sneak up on you. Perhaps even more than other introverted types may find it difficult to put themselves forward.

>>36963085
>ISTJ/INTP hybrid
How is that possible?
>Ti-Si loop
>An INTP in a Ti-Si loop will get stuck on negative past events and begin to overplay them, analyzing why things happened the way they did. In addition, they can use their sense of logic to come up with negative beliefs about the world and use their Si to provide past experiences that reinforce these ideas. They will become withdrawn, and unexcited about the prospective of new ideas and possibilities.

Does this explain why I'm a bitter jaded fuck

>>36961717

INFP here

What makes ENFJ such a good candidate for us?

>>36962953
yes, this is a pretty standard INTP behavior anon

>>36963114
Because you're cucks who don't mind being dominated lmao

>>36962953
>Is it normal for INTPs to vacillate between complete aloofness towards girls and turning into a clingy paranoiac who treats her like one of his obsessions?
Yes, it's called having inferior Fe.
>How is that possible?
Most of people are hybrids or have strong functions outside their types.

>>36963081
I understand, but don't even try to twist this to be the empathetic or compassionate thing to do. The sole reason we need to do this is because these people are fucking children, incapable of thinking properly. INTPs don't need to learn to be compassionate, they need to learn to infantilize people.

I'm INTJ and too autistic to keep a job because I can't empathize/connect/socialize with people properly and I'm really awkward. I'm seriously considering getting a diagnosis for aspergers/autism and applying for disability. I don't even know what to do. I live with my brother and his girlfriend so my bills come to just over $300 a month. Is there no way to make that online so I don't have to embarrass myself by leaving the house?

>>36963081
>>36963166
>>36963039
Have you ever considered that you guys are just arrogant, self-satisfied cunts who believe you're above everyone else and that's why no one likes you?

>>36963101
Agreed, I know an INFP that says he wishes he was a girl

>>36963108
>INTP on Ti-Si loop
I relate to this.

>>36963117
>>36963135
I figured. Hard to train myself out of it though.

>>36963166
I understand you completely, I'm an ENTP, the most autistic Extrovert you can be, but I don't think of my self as a full extrovert, rather an ambivert, which I think is the biggest flaw in the whole MBTI. Still, I have a "friend" that has done the test and gotten the Protagonist type. If all protagonists are like him, literal fucking manchildren who still believe in fairy tales and happy endings, they need to be sterilized. The dumb fuck is over ambitious to everything, and is getting a wolf tattoo because he thinks it means something, even though he's a spoiled brat from having rich parents in a poor country.
The problem really can be cured by reeducating the whole population, make them accept reality as it is.

>>36963198
Undeniably so. I am borderline narcissistic, but people generally like me, i.e they call me to go out rather me just calling them out

>this thread

Jesus, xNTPs are insufferable.

>>36963039
Where in the hell did you start assosciating empathy with lying and how does it in any way apply to my post?

Personally one of my biggest issue in being empathetic as an ENTP is my reluctance to tell a lie. I will bluntly tell someone what I believe to be true because I can't stand sugar coating or bullshitting anyone. If there's one thing that I hate more in the world, it's bullshit.

Ultimately I believe I want to come to agreement with others. I enjoy their company and I find outside perspectives stimulating and interesting. Literally everything interests me. My empathy works as a supporting mechanism to keep people around who can properly keep me on track and who can properly feed me thoughts so we can make beautiful thought babies together in harmony. That is, if I can stop making inappropriate jokes all the time and maybe stop talking so god damned much about random ass subjects.

>>36963252
>Jesus, xNTPs are insufferable.
Why?

>>36963198
found the feels before reals cuck
reality doesn't care about your fucking feelings

>>36963262
You constantly preach about being the most intelligent, rational, forward-thinking people in the room and prattle on about how you're just too intellectually gifted and individualistic to care about what others think, then you turn around and promote the idea of reeducating everyne who thinks differently from you because they hurt your allegedly non-existent fee-fees by being different.

Do you have any idea how autistic and self-absorbed you people sound? Your version of special snowflake syndrome is insisting that you're the only ones on the Earth who aren't delusional special snowflakes and are, therefore, the most special snowflakes of all.

>>36963296
sounds like you might be projecting something here senpai

>>36963263
>muh reality

Bruh, what the fuck do you know about reality? You seek solace in the ill-conceived notion that you're smarter than everyone else and retreat into stroking your own intellect and ego whenever you're placed in a situation which is either unfamiliar or uncomfortable to you.

>>36963258
Because this is how Fs understand empathy. Being considerate of their feelings (i.e. not telling them the cold hard truth). This is the reason most people consider us people as cold assholes. I agree completely that telling the truth is the compassionate thing to do, but they don't see it that way.
Most xNTP don't have a problem with being empathetic, they just have a problem infantilizing 70% of the adult population.

>>36963310
>projecting

And of course, now you fall on buzzwords in an attempt to distance yourself from your own argument once it becomes apparent that you're just spouting off bullshit.

>>36963296
Only the most insufferable do that.
>reeducating everyne who thinks differently
That's INxJ bullshit though.

How do I tell if I'm in a Ti-Si loop?

>>36963296
Again, I think these are all xNTPs who are unemployed, narrow minded, and generally lack wisdom as a result of lack of ability. Not all of us are like this, or at the least, some of us will admit to any of this. I admit though that there is a pendemic of faggot undergrads who think they're the shit because they started Linear Algebra or some shit.

I'm an ENTP and I respect the value of every type and wouldn't mind having a conversation with any one of them. Except maybe ESTJs. Those guys are pricks, but that might be my low-key daddy issues talking.

>>36963329
>This is the reason most people consider us people as cold assholes
People consider you to be cold assholes because you lack the ability to sufficiently place yourselves in others shoes and instead decide that you know everything about them based on sweeping generalisations which have very little to do with reality and actually being aware of social norms and everything to do with bitterly watching other people from the sidelines because you're to intelligent too be one of them.

If you seriously think empathy = lying and all feelers are just delusional liars, you're just providing more evidence that you're an autist who can't into empathy because it's too hard for you to actually try to understand people.

>>36963361
The difference between INTJs and INTPs is that INTJs are being autistic as an act to hide their sensitive nature. INTPs are really just that autistic.

>>36963317
>rambles incoherently
I don't want to treat you like a fucking child, but you leave me no other options. I don't think I'm *smarter* than anyone, just more rational. If you don't understand how telling people convenient lies to protect their precious fee fees is more harmful to them as telling them the truth, you deserve to be treated like a child.

>>36963200
>only INFP i know was a gayboi as long as i knew him and transitioned during highschool
It checks out.

>>36963385
>The difference between INTJs and INTPs is that INTJs are being autistic as an act to hide their sensitive nature. INTPs are really just that autistic.
That's not true. Their entire function stack is different.

>>36963394
Yeah. Therein lies the autism.

INTJs have Fi in there somewhere which gives them an innate sense of empathy and allows them to relate to people as individuals.

INTPs have Fe, which makes them autists who can't see eye to eye with others and would much rather just generalise and dehumanise them because their philosophy is objectively correct.

>>36963416
>Fi
>empathy
Hell no.

>>36963393
I know two INFPs. One of them is a massive trans repressor. I once caught him reading TG fiction on his laptop, and he chased an autistic metalhead trans girl for a year too.

>>36963385
I don't believe empathy = lying and I don't believe feelers are liars. I do believe that they want to be lied to and do occasionally lie to 'keep the peace'. I can place myself in peoples shoes and get along with almost anyone and have a few good friends but I refuse to lie to people which has led to me being called a cold asshole. If you never made this experience, you're lucky, but I doubt it was due to you being so much smarter and empathetic than I am. You can't reason with the unreasonable.

>>36963329
>implying there is a dichotomy between being nice to people and saying the cold hard "truth"
>implying you aren't capable of formatting a sentence as "Although you are x, you are y" , (positive quality, negative quality)

It's also easy to give nice compliments here and there. "Hey I like your hair that way" or "You make a good point" or "Yeah I'm down to try something new".

You can do all this while still being fairly jaded and cynical, yo. You just choose not to because you have this bullshit black and white way of viewing the world and probably have never had to work as a team with anyone. If you can't see the value of teamwork and cooperation, you've got a long shitty life ahead of you.

>>36963392
>I don't want to treat you like a fucking child
That's all you want to do, because in your putrid, self-glorifying little mind you've already decided that I'm less intelligent than you because I have a differing argument that doesn't fit with your own worldview.

>I don't think I'm *smarter* than anyone, just more rational.
You mistakenly believe you're more rational because you have very little in the way of actual empathy and believe that anyone who comes to a conclusion that differs from yours must be inherently less rational because you conflate your own thought process and ideas with rationality regardless of what they are or what they might entail. For all we know, you're no more rational than any other person of a similar level of intelligence, you just may or may not agree with them.

>If you don't understand how telling people convenient lies to protect their precious fee fees

Here it is again. Where did you get this idea that empathy = telling people lies to protect their feelings or that a lack of tact is somehow indicative of a profound intellect? Do you think xNTPs are the only ones who sees the truth or is aware of what reality is? Plenty of intelligent people are aware of these things. Unlike xNTPs however, they don't feel the need to constantly try to impress these ideas on others under the mistaken belief that they're "doing the right thing" or that everyone is "telling lies". Most of the time your so-called truths are just the product of bitter cynicism being dressed up as intellectual or ideological purity, and that comes across loud and clear to anyone who hears it. Don't confuse a general distaste for your abrasive personality with a distaste for "the truth". It only goes to show that you lack the empathy to understand the actual intricacies of social interaction.

>>36961717
What is your type, what are 3 (or less) types that you love and hate? I'll start:
>ENFP
>love: INTJ, INFP, INTP
>hate: ESFJ (seriously why are you guys so fucking insufferable?), ESTP

ENTJ here.

Why are ENTJ women so autistic and moody at the same time?

Seriously when someone wants to chill when I'm on work mode I'm chill. Not the case for females however.

>>36963416
I think you have Fe and Find mixed up. Fe is an outward feeling, dealing with other feelings. Fi is focused inwards towards one's own feelings and values. Hence why ENFJs are theoretically the most empathetic and INFPs are the most likely to experience strong inward feelings about something.

All these INTPs being cunts in these threads are probably INTJ. INTPs are usually chill as fuck and funny despite the cynicism.

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>>36962174

I wouldn't know about that. Most people with strong Fi I've met are the types that can't seem to grasp or tolerate someone else's values and gets real vocal about it (most notably ENFPs).

But hey, as an INFJ I'm fairly biased. But I try not to act condescending towards people with different beliefs since that sort of behaviour benefits me in absolutely no way. I'd much rather reasonably discuss and try to understand where the different values stem from, so that I can find common ground and hopefully bridge the gap between differing opinions in a group. The well-being of the group is focal, but even more important is every individual within the group and their well-being is a priority.

tldr as a strong Fe I feel adapting the group to different values almost always beats excluding the outliers.

>>36963545
>I have a differing argument
let me hear it

>very little in the way of actual empathy
defined by? lying to people?

since the rest is just insults, I don't bother responding to that.

>>36963553
>ENTJ
>Love: ENFJ, INTJ, ISFP
>Hate: ESFJ, ESFP, ISFJ

>>36963101
Ok, so maybe there's hope for me. I did have a hard time as a teenager.

>>36963200
>>36963393
Uh, i definitely don't want to be a girl lol.

>>36963553
>ENTP
>Love: INFJ, ENFJ, INFP, ENFP, INTP, ISTP, ISFP
>Hate: ESTJ

>>36963643
You might just be repressing. Take some titty skittles, crossdress for a bit, and take it up the butt once or thrice.

If you still feel like you don't want to be a girl then you're good.

>>36963436
More Fe autism at play. You think that because Fi users base their ideals and beliefs around what matters to them, they're incapable of empathy, but you have no real insight into what empathy is or how it happens because you struggle with it.

Empathy is the ability to understand others by understanding how their experiences relate to you personally.

Fi users see people as individuals because they see themselves as individuals. Their belief system is built on a foundation of wanting to live in accordance to what they value personally. As a result, they reach out to others by considering what they value personally. An Fi user places themselves in another person's shoes. When they see suffering, they try to imagine what that would feel like if they were in the other person's position and, through that, they learn to relate to that person as an individual. That is empathy.

An Fe user, on the other hand, typically views people as a collective made up of those individuals. Their belief system is based on what they personally believe is best for everyone else as a community. As a result, they reach out to others using what they believe to be "the right way" to do things and promote prosperity. While they're nothing explicitly wrong with this, it often fails to take into account the actual, idiosyncratic desires of the person and lumps them in with archetypes and factions that ultimately reduce their individualism. The result is that Fe users often have difficulty placing themselves in other peoples' shoes and do not take kindly to ideas that differ drastically from their own, especially when it comes to wide-scale arguments/campaigns.

Fe users typically believe they are more empathetic because they think about the good of the many, but they neglect the good of the few and, therefore, lack the inherent empathetic response of Fi users.

Fe users can develop empathy and can, indeed, be empathetic, don't get me wrong. It just doesn't come naturally.

>>36963296
Sounds like someone's upset that they aren't part of the master race :^)

>>36963553
>>36963626

How can you love INTJs? How is it possible?

Also, as an INTJ, i love you too, ENFPs and ENTJs

>>36963675
>Starting your post with an insult
>Having a view that goes directly contrary to common MBTI function theory

How am I supposed to believe you are being biased here?

>>36963708
Some INTJs eventually get jobs and become pretty cool people once they start, you know, doing things instead of assuming superiority with little to no credentials.

>>36963675
From my experience, INTPs are the most individualistic of all personality types.

>>36963581
I think it's easy to mistake an Fi's willingness to defend what they believe in openly and loudly once their beliefs are infringed upon with an inability to tolerate other peoples values, but the truth is that Fis tolerate peoples values all the time. They're introverted feeling: they don't give a fuck about what other people do with their beliefs or convictions so long as they're given the freedom to stick to their own. It's only when they feel personally attacked that they come out and start genuinely arguing and being vocal. That's what I believe you were dealing with: you inadvertently stepped on an Fi-user's toes and were shocked by their sudden anger. What you didn't notice, however, was all the time prior to their eventual outburst where they were perfectly fine with you being whoever you are and believe whatever you wanted to believe.

INFJs are Fe users, and so they can occasionally butt heads with Fi users and vice versa, but you sound like an INFJ who has developed enough to not use your Fe in an unhealthy manner, and that's really where differentiation thrives.

There are plenty of unhealthy Fi and unhealthy Fe users who either become very selfish and devensive about their own beliefs in the case of the former or become unsympathetic and cold about their beliefs in the case of the latter. Keeping an open-mind about other people and constantly working to improve yourself is what allows us to overcome those limitations, however.

tl;dr Fe or Fi, what's most important is understanding.

Male INFJ-T here, took this test ~ 1 year ago https://www.16personalities.com/profiles/572b8879c4fbb
Thing is, friends describe me as extroverted, social and empathic. I am a little cold emotionally and i have few autistic tendencies that do not impact me in a bad way at all. Thing is i am not really extroverted, social and not that empathic. Might i feel this way because of my traumatizing past? Should i re-take the test? Any advice?

>>36963730
This whole argument started with insults, don't cherrypick now that they're being lobbed in your direction.

And nothing I said goes against common MBTI theory. Fe users think communally, Fi users think individually.

>>36963770
Being individualistic yourself doesn't mean you view others around you as individuals. This thread alone has provided evidence of xNTPs not being able to empathise with others on an individual level.

Also, not for nothing, but INTPs aren't nearly as special and individualistic as these threads try to hype them up to be. No more so than any other N or even well-developed S.

>>36963675

What you're trying to say is

>Fi = empathy
>Fe = sympathy

Which might be true to some extent, but you're glorifying Fi and vilifying Fe. People with strong Fi can indeed be very empathetic, but the empathy is limited to traits that the Fi individual can directly relate to. I've seen groups of friends with strong empathetic bonds because they shared a similar ground of values, but such groups have problems assimilating some Fi with a different ground of values because ultimately their Fi is inflexible.

Fe could indeed be labeled manipulators, especially by strong Fi since to them Fe people seem like they have no true values and only seek to lie and deceive. Strong Fe individuals might appear like they have no value of their own, but their values simply stem from the group instead of the individual, and Fe isn't as malicious as you tend to paint the function. Both functions have weaknesses, and none is inherently better.

>>36963852
Yeah well I wasn't one of those ones doing the insulting. It still invalidates what you have to say in my mind and makes you come off as biased as fuck.

>>36963774

I am thinking of two particular cases where I was observing ENFP:s without actively participating in what was going on. But there is some truth to what you're saying, I know plenty of Fi that don't make a big deal out of things until it becomes relevant, and I can recall that some years ago I perhaps more often upset people/Fi users, or stepped on their toes as you put it.

Still, as you point out, there is unhealthy Fi as well, and considering the people involved in the aforementioned observations, I'd imagine their usage of Fi is not the healthiest. I'd imagine a lot of radical feminists fall under this since they are so opposed to people even insinuating that they disagree. I argue these kinds of people are Fi and not Fe, since usually their arguments and thought circle around their own well-being and how they themselves feel threatened, not the group.

>>36963853
>you're glorifying Fi and vilifying Fe

It might seem that way, but you have to keep in mind I got into this argument at a stage where Fi was already being beaten into the dirt as being worthless and selfish. Of course my argument would seem to glorify Fi and vilify Fe because I've been required to highlight the good points of Fi and the bad points of Fe.

>Fi is inflexible

True and untrue. Fi users are typically very flexible about the beliefs as others so long as they don't feel that those beliefs actively endanger their own. That isn't to say that they'll want to hang out with people who they have literally nothing in common with, but they're not going to begrudge them for being different because, as previously stated, Fi revolves around the belief that we're all different.

When they do feel as if they're being attacked or that their freedom of belief is threatened, however, Fis are notoriously stubborn and inflexible because those beliefs are of the utmost importance to them and their lifestyle. They will not budge, they will not acquiesce and they will not shut their mouths and go along with things because doing any of that is tantamount to betraying their own sense of self. In that sense, they are indeed less comfortable with assimilation to systems because assimilation is against the very core of who they are.

There is nothing inherently malicious about Fe at all and, in many ways, it can be more useful than Fi. Fe users see things in terms of a greater good and are, therefore, more willing to make hard decisions that benefit the continued propagation of that good. They're ore communally focused and are better tat assimilating and the like if they feel it keeps this greater good thriving. The problem is that they often can be "autistic" and lacking in empathy because they see what an Fi user would define as individualism and empathy as selfishness and an inability to see the bigger picture.

In any case, it all comes down to self-development.

>>36963545
just because all experience is neurons firing in your brain and all matter is mostly empty space, doesn't mean getting hit with a barstool doesn't hurt

>>36963373
please respond in an original manner famicom

>>36963178

I'm the same. I do courses because you get paid to do them here. As much interraction as you want. 2 Degrees, doing another. I will be in education until I retire lol.

>>36961717
>ENTP
tfw all ppl should love me or like me at least
kys for not loving and orbiting me anons

>>36963995
Radicals of any group are underdeveloped Fe or Fi users.

In the case of Fe users, they try to impress their values on others because they believe that they're objectively right and that there's little room for argument in the face of their "greater good". They're the kind of radicals who think all dissenters should be snuffed out or beaten into submission because they're wrong and they stand in the way of what's right.

Fi users are more the kind of radical who lashes out in anger at the idea of being oppressed or trapped by the values of others. They believe that they will never be allowed to live their lives the way they wish and so they must beat back opposition until they're free again. It's more akin to a cornered animal becoming aggressive and lashing out in order to ensure its continued survival.

Basically, Fe radicals are aggressive, Fi radicals are defensive. One tries to dominate, the other tries to dissent.

>>36964065
Other ENTP here.

They're too busy orbiting me. Git gud.

>>36963334
>Projecting is a buzzword
Not that Anon, but it's a real psychological term.

>>36964176
That doesn't really mean it isn't a buzzword, though. A buzzword is defined by usage as opposed to actual meaning.

>>36964138
>They're too busy orbiting me.
I shall chase you away then.
Be gone.

>E and I are ideal togeyher
what a load of bullshit, i'm not looking fot extroverted normie scum and i'm introverted myself.

>>36962212
What's Dr. Wilson's MBTI? He and house make a good match. ENFP or something?

>>36964276
Extroverted =/= Normie.

Both ENFP and ENTP are extroverts and both have very introverted patterns of behaviour when not in public.

Likewise, INTJs and INFJs can be very extroverted in public settings despite their introverted nature.

>>36964294
Oooh, Wilson had to be an INFJ or something, in which case it makes sense that he and House got along because of shared Fe.

If he were ENFP, they'd probably rub each other the wrong way more often.

>>36964229
And? Its still a legitimate use of the word and discarding it offhandedly just because its achieved "buzzword" status is asinine.
Different anon btw you do seem to be carrying a chip on your shoulder over this whole thing.

>>36963708
Because they let their autism be free unlike us who have to mask it with logic. They're also our natural soulmates

They're also better than us in activities due to dominant Ni focus

>>36964373
I'm not the same anon either, I'm just pointing out that projecting can very well be a buzzword It is, after all, used in any instance to discard an argument with a word.

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>>36962566
>shit at math
Fuck me too, also an INTP. In high school I got good marks in other subjects, but I could never wrap my head around math, I just couldn't get it. Kind of got my shit together in the last years of school, but the first two years of hs I would be failing math for most of the semester, then rush at the end semester so that I would just barely pass. Parents would be confused when they saw my report card since I'd have 80's in everything and my math mark would be in the 50's or 60's

>>36962672
I dunno man
I got INTP on celebrity types and 16personalities. INTP seems like me a lot, but on keys2cognition I got like ISFJ or ISTJ. I think I just rushed through it because I didn't get the questions lol

>>36963708
Speaking as an ENFP, INTJs are hot because they're so different and yet the same. ENFPs easily make friends and get people to open up to them, but rarely feel as if they've established true connections with other people. They seek spiritual, deep friendships and are often disappointed by the shallow, frivolous friendships they end up experiencing with sensors.

INTJs present both a challenge and an opportunity Initially, ENFPs are attracted to the fact that they're seemingly standoffish and cold towards them. They want to make friends with this aloof stranger because they seemingly don't want to be friends. As the relationship progresses, however, it becomes apparent that the INTJ is actually a huge softie with strong convictions beneath their cold exterior. Eventually, the ENFP gets the INTJ to smile or laugh and instantly falls head over heels in love. They want to keep breaking through the INTJ's ice to the warmth within.

>>36964463
Yeah I'm exactly the same, I get INTP on other tests but keys2cognition gives me ISTJ even though I don't identify with it at all (but I like ISTJs in general, they're pretty cool). My only J characteristic is the fact that I'm never late.
>I didn't get the questions
The questions are vague as fuck

>>36964475
>INTP brother is dating ENFP
>I move in and pay rent to live with them
>Start to like ENFP
>She knows about MBTI and that we're good for eachother but she is with my brother and can't be with me
What do?

>>36963570
Are they really like that? I don't think I've ever met an ENTJ woman before. I think I know an INFP and ISFP, and some ESFPs.
Also, what MBTI type woman would you prefer in like, a romantic way (or guy if you're gay)? I like seeing what types prefer each other.

>>36964619
We talked about a relationship and she said she would leave him to be with me,then later that day she said she couldn't do it because she didn't want to hurt him

>>36964619
I'm INTJ and she's ENFP by the way

>>36964619
That's a tough call, anon. I wouldn't want to do that to your brother if I were you. And speaking as an ENFP (male), I imagine she probably feels torn between her compatibility with you and her affection for him. You're in a tight bind. Even if they break up naturally, dating your brother's ex is fairly dubious.

>>36961717
INTPs and ENTJs are completely incompatible.

>>36964623
Yeah. It's so infuriating because she might be happy one day, another she'll be pissed off for whatever reason, hypomaniac on others. But because you're like her you can't really get to state the obvious.

In a romantic way? INTJ, INFJ, ENTJ, ENFJ, ISFP if they are not completely basic, ISTJ, ENFP

>>36964748
>INTPs and ENTJs are completely incompatible.
Why

>>36964748
Really? Maybe romantically but I have a great ENTJ friend. Kind of an advisor to the king type role. He values my opinion and advice and I value how he pushes me into novel experiences.

>>36964697
Yeah I would feel the same way about it, but he dated a girl that I had been with for ~6 months or so. And when I was chatting with his current girlfriend about that, before she knew I was attracted to her, she basically said there was nothing wrong with him dating my ex girlfriend.

>>36964783
They're frequently listed as ideal types for eachother.

>>36964697
Also he is INTP and they're supposed to be rational, not emotional, etc. Idk how he can think it's fine for him to do that to me but wrong when I do it

>>36964748
Untrue. I can be emphatic with INTPs the most even if sometimes they're pricks because they're to smart

I hate capeshit but the INTP-ENTJ relationship is like Bruce Banner and Tony Stark in the Avengers. They're both great work partners as well as conversational partners. On the surface, they might be similar. But it's the opposite functions with the same stack order that makes them different.

ENTJs are basically INTPs on adderall

>>36964843
Isn't Stark ENTP?

>>36961742
Eh, we can be positive, I am right now.

I think it works because you both work thorugh your feels so much that you actually get sick of them, you know? One of the best things I can do for myself when I'm feeling down is help somebody work through their own stuff. While they do that, I quietly relate my own to theirs. And by the end of it, I kind of need a break from feelings and just wanna enjoy being distracted?

I can see it working. INFPs are pretty real with themselves, and they'd be real with each other.

Can someone redpill me on ISTP without the bullshit work related details

>>36964841
Because we're emotionally immature and a bit psychopathic.
>>36964843
emphatic? you need to emphasize more with INTP? Emphasize what?

>>36964852
Nope. He's ENTJ

He just happens to be a mess. Just because he's one and an 'inventor' doesn't mean he's ENTP. He doesn't seem to use any of the ENTP cog functions. You can make the argument for Ne but other than that, he doesn't seem like he uses an ENTPs main functions

>>36964923
How do you learn to determine cognitive function usage based on a person's behavior?

>>36964894
Empathetic. I'm not completely focused rn. No need to be a douche about pointless mistakes

>>36964959
oh that makes sense
well sorry for not reading your mind, mister

>>36964949
Observation. It's easy if you think in abstraction.

>>36964978
I'm asking because I'm having trouble determining my function stack, and tests are pretty unreliable.

>>36964923
Stark is a total ENTP. He's an improviser, an actor, a fluid thinker. He comes up with shit on the fly and hopes it works. He doesn't meticulous plot things out or try to control the world around him so much as he rolls with the punches. His entire manner is ENTP.

A better example of an actual ENTJ in the Avengers universe is probably Nick Fury.

>>36964841
INTPs aren't as rational as they would have you believe and are just as prone to emotional outbursts and mood swings as anyone else in the right circumstances.

>>36965035
Does it necessarily mean you're Judging when you like to at least have some sort of fallback plan? I have a hard time believing all xNTPs are able to improvise all the time without ever thinking about possible chains of events.

>>36965068
Usually any plan you could come up with as an INTP is a general idea that you would have had in the middle of the situation as well
so maybe we're just bad at planning

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>>36961717
>INTJ not being beyond ideal with INFP
And you guys wonder why no one takes this seriously.

>>36965110
So you guys never plan for the future or anything like that?
Do you never think long term?

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>>36965068
Ps can be planners, yes, but they will ALWAYS prefer to keep those plans loose and adaptable. A J will plan things down to the letter and come up with contingencies upon contingencies, which means that they're often inflexible about the way things unfold and have a need to be in control of situations. A P, on the other hand, will come up with one plan that entertains any number of possibilities and just adapt to the circumstances as they change. In their mind, the less rigorous a plan of action is, the easier they're able to compensate if something goes wrong. Rigorous order and meticulousness does not appeal to the average P because it doesn't give them options. There's nothing Ps love more than options.

>>36965120
well I'm a mess so I can't really speak for all INTPs but no, I have a very vague idea that I should send documents for a scholarship and that I'd like to work in edition, or translation, or something like that

>>36962419
damn I felt that

>>36965026
If it helps, I read a description that works so:

Primary Function - Unconscious competency
Secondary Function - Conscious competency
Tertiary Function - Conscious Incompetency
Inferior Function - Unconscious Incompetency

Basically, you can do your first function without conscious effort. It just comes naturally with little effort and has been your go to function for a while. If you have a Intuitive function in this place, this makes it hard to realize because the function itself is abstract as fuck.

Your secondary function you can do well, but you have to sit down and put conscious effort into it. For instance, as an ENTP, I can sit down and do any sort out any sort of math problem, but I do have to sit down and focus and not let my Ne distract me and take me to something different. For instance, I got uncommonly high the other day and ended up planning what I want, but I kept on getting distracted by knowing exactly what Thyme, Sage, and Rosemary all were including their taxonomic qualities, their historical uses, and how to grow them in general.

Tertiary Function is something you WANT to be good at but you can't help but suck at. Hence I desperately want to make harmony with others, but me being a pedantic dick and generally lacking focus keeps coming in the way.

The final function is that kind of hidden agenda you have that you ignore and don't seem to recognize. For me, I often fail to recognize why it is that I love just hanging around at home and being comfy while learning things. I love the familiarity and I love the comfort of home.

>>36965178
That makes things a bit clearer, thanks for the lengthy explanation m8.

>>36962543
Sounds like you're an INFP/ISFP

>>36961920
We probably have the highest level of Neets making $0 a year

>>36964923
Iron Man is waaaaaaaaaaaay too laid back and improvisational to be any kind of Judger, let alone the Judger to end all Judgers.

>>36965118
INTJ here, had a thing with an INFP girl, sort of. It sucked.

It's not like INFPs aren't genuinely good people most of the time, it's just that their thought processes and views severely clash with ours so we end up not getting along even if we actually like and respect each other.

>>36965118
The INFP may look like an easier match because of the shared I, but it's the E in ENFP that allows them to ultimately get along better with the INTJ. An INTJ/INFP relationship might becomfy for a while, but both would be frustrated by the other party's inability or unwillingness to initiate or "read" them. ENFPs are a better match because they read and act on what the INTJ feels, whereas the INFP will often read without acting.

For example, the ENFP might sense that their INTJ is feeling starved for affection and will suddenly shower them with it despite the INTJ's feigned lack of interest. An INFP, on the other hand, would detect that the INTJ is affection starved and quietly either wait for them to come out and say it or hesitate to act.

>>36963198
Trust us we considered that...

>>36965035
Being an actor, an improviser and chaotic planner isn't exclusive to ENTPs. Or ExxPs for that matter. Even so I can't think of an example of him coming up with shit on the fly. He does try to control the world around him, he tries to control his company, his interpersonal relationships as well as world 'peace'. However, his main obsession is himself. He is completely focused on improving himself as well as his suits. Which protect his vulnerable self. The philosophy of the xNTJ.

The only ENTP in the MCU is Star Lord. The fake Mandarin in the Iron Man movies. The only two plausible alternative types for Stark are INTP and ENFJ.

>>36965402
They always say the same, as if we'd stop or didn't know it.
They can't understand that this is who we are. It's not like an addiction you get rid of.

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>>36961717
>That image
So what are ESTP/ESFP women like?
They're the worst type, aren't they?

>>36963394
>>36963416
The INTJs are actual people, they care about the whole human thing, and they feel the need to belong to it. INTPs are just aliens.

>>36965499
Don't know about women, but I was pretty good friends with an ESTP guy. Very chilled out and a lot of fun to hang about with but he had a psychological dependence on weed and dropped out of uni because of he was high literally almost all the time.

>tfw INTJ
>tfw all the girl INTJs are fobby Indian / Chinese researchers who only want to date people from the same country
H-hello roachies...

Also I wonder what the percentage of Dwarf Fortress players that are INTJ is. I bet it's over 50%

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>>36964843
How would you feel about INTPs who aren't really part of the >tfw too intelligent stereotype?
Most INTPs I see in these threads aren't really like that. Pretty sure I'm INTP and I find it cringy and kinda pretentious to call myself "intelligent"

>>36965437
>Even so I can't think of an example of him coming up with shit on the fly

Apart from the scene where he built his suit, his frivolous relationships with random floozies, his tendency to randomly throw parties, his spur of the moment decision to guide the nuke into the portal at risk to himself, his charging into pretty much any situation without a plan of action or sometimes even a thought, his tendency to adapt to any new encounter socially, his generally unpredictable personality and nature and the way in which he basically doesn't take anything seriously until he's pushed into it by circumstances outside his control. Guy's a P, plain and simple.

>He does try to control the world around him
When pushed into doing so by circumstances outside of his control. Otherwise, he's content living a cavalier lifestyle where he does whatever he wants whenever he wants.

>he tries to control his company, his interpersonal relationships as well as world 'peace'.

He's perfectly happy letting Obidiah Stane and Pepper Potts take care of the boring shit for him and often loses track of appointments and responsibilities because he's more interested in doing whatever catches his fancy at the time. He has no love of control or being in charge and only ever seeks out both of these things begrudgingly.

His relationships are all based on him being a suave, charming motherfucker despite his also being a complete mess organisation-wise. Pretty much every movie has at least once scene of an actual J chewing him out for being irresponsible to which he responds with glibness and charm on the spot in order to win them over.

And, again, the world peace thing was never his intention: it's just him rolling with the punches again. He doesn't plan any of this shit out, he just takes things as they come and often ends up making mistakes because of it.

>Con't

>>36965562
Pretty sure most DF players are INTPs. Toady is like the textbook INTP.

I think these open-ended management games are appreciated more by INTPs than INTJs, who probably enjoy stats-heavy RPG better.

But yeah, probably still a lot of INTJs playing DF.

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>like beauty in literature in philosophy, am generally attracted to aesthetics as pointless as they may seem in terms of applicability
>yet highly value logical consistency and disregard any decisions or opinions that are exclusively based on feelings or emotions

>enjoy freedom and like to keep my options open, planning out everything meticulously stresses me out and I can't be bothered to do it anyway
>yet I'm annoyed when people don't have their shit together, such as being lousy with their work, being late, or not doing stuff they said they'd do

>have a hard time relating with other people's troubles, get annoyed when they create needless drama, and am generally considered to be too uncaring and detached
>yet I don't think I'm emotionless; I don't make a fuss about stupid shit, but I have feelings although I don't know how to express or deal with them. I have feels but they come and go

Sorry for the long post, but I'm having trouble figuring out where I might fit.

>>36965616
Pretty great to be honest because you don't have a self idealized arrogance about yourself.

I wish you guys would be fearless

>>36965616
The tfw to inteliggent is just one possible consequence of being INTP because you don't understand people so you turn to books, not really a requirement

>>36965633
There are dozens of online tests you can take you fucking idiot. It's not like some weird personality horoscope like people like you believe. It still is mostly bullshit, but it is based at least in part in psychology

>>36965694
I know, but I get different results from most tests.

Many "INTPs/ENTPs" are mistyped as each other
Many "ISFJs", ISTPs mistype as INTP
Most "INTJs" are actually ISTJs, ESTJs or ISFPs
ISFP can mistype as pretty much any type
Most "INFPs" are depressed mistypes
Most "INFJs" are ISFJ or INFP

>>36965628
Yeah you're probably right. Idk I'm a software developer and the thing I like (or really, what makes this shit job tolerable) is getting complicated systems to function properly. Managing all the parts of the DF economy and designing defenses really hit my autism in just the right spot

>>36965633
You seem to think logic is incompatible with philosophy and I can't understand why.

>>36965624
>However, his main obsession is himself. He is completely focused on improving himself as well as his suits. Which protect his vulnerable self. The philosophy of the xNTJ.

That doesn't really have anything to do with being a J, though. Most people want to improve themselves, especially when they're Ns. And all NTs want to protect their vulnerable selves. Hiding their true feelings and sensitivity behind logic and action is a common thread between that particular MBTI group. Tony does this by drowning himself in hedonistic indulgences and it just so happens that Iron Man BECAME a hedonistic indulgence for him: a means of escaping from his vulnerability (which is a theme heavily explored in Iron Man 2). He acts out and loosely does whatever he wants in any given situation because it's easier than confronting the sheer magnitude of the problems he's constantly facing in light of his general unwillingness to control or lead. An ENTJ would take charge of things right off the bat and keep pushing until they hit paydirt. as an ENTP, Tony generally just tries to take things in smaller steps and fuck around unless he absolutely, positively has to be made to take charge. He's not a natural born leader like most ENTJs and he's not a planner either. That's why Nick Fury initially wrote him off as being too devil may care for the Avengers and why he initially rubbed the actual Js of the team (ISFJ Captain America, ESFJ Thor) entirely the wrong way. He was being a P all up in their J, refusing to be decisive or commit to anything because he wanted to feel out SHIELD's true motives and because he's not the kind of person who easily assimilates to any structure -- another P trait.

>The only ENTP in the MCU is Star Lord

Star-Lord is a total Feeler. He does things out of an idealistic sense of adventure and wanderlust born out of his emotional immaturity, he's very expressive about his feelings and he empathises with people surprisingly easy. I'd say he's an ENFP.

>>36965694
>It still is mostly bullshit
I think it's still a good system. People call it horoscope tier because they basically fill out a test and they get the absolute, textbook definition of their supposed type. They read it, see some slight differences in their lives and disregard it altogether.

If you read into the functions or have an overview of every type it makes much more sense.

>>36965633
You seem to be XSTP
Based on your posts, your T part is really significant. Being T doesn't mean that you disregard all feels, just that logic controls you more than emotions. Maybe a 80-20 T-F ratio? P seems to apply to you since you seem fluid, it may be a 60-40 P-J ratio based on what you say.

Not sure about S though, but it actually might be N too.

Reminder that MBTI describes your cognition, NOT your personality
Most type descriptions, especially the ones which focus on the outside behaviors instead of the thought processes are filed with bullshit
Descriptions which mention that a type will be good in certain jobs but bad in others are bullshit

>>36965743
Not at all. I probably shouldn't have mentioned philosophy. I meant that in literature, film, or art in general I'm attracted to beauty as an end in and of itself even when it doesn't lead to any profound insight. I can overlook the practicality or usefulness of something if I find it beautiful.
Which is why my favorite author is Camus even though I don't agree with absurdism.
>>36965776
That seems to be accurate.
I don't think I'm S, I've always been bad at stuff that requires hand-eye coordination and physical ability. I also have bad situational awareness. Aren't xSTP generally good at dealing with the physical world?

>>36965803
Yeah, many INTPs are artists, it's not incompatible. It's not like we're all IT.

>>36965802
But your thought process has an influence on how you act and present yourself

>>36965827
Sure, but it does not mean that your behavior can't be different from the description

>>36965826
You're right, I guess I was stereotyping.

>>36965803
You sound like me and I'm pretty confident that I'm an INTP.

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>descriptions say that S are stupid and Ns are basically smart S, most tests also give N types to anyone who's intelligent
>wonder why most people are "N"

>>36965913
Ns are typically more of an innovative intelligence whereas Ss are a more practical intelligence. I'd argue that smart SJs are what one would normally consider to be traditionally academically intelligent whereas Ns can often suck in the rigorous, conditioning environment of school.

>>36965851
What kind of books or films do you like the most?

>>36965913
I don't think S are necessarely dumber than N. In some areas S are much better problem solvers than N. If shit hits the fan in this world, S will the rule makeup world that will replace it, and the most hardcore N will be the most useless kind.

>wonder why most people are "N"
If your frame of reference is mainly the internet, that's not surprising. There are surely more N than S on the internet.

>>36965982
>There are surely more N than S on the internet.
More like most S are at the normie websites
>I don't think S are necessarely dumber than N
That's my point, but the descriptions are biased
Most seem to be written by NTPs

>>36966027
>Most seem to be written by NTPs
MBTI being a framework used to categorize people according to the way they think, it's not surprising that NTPs take the most interest in it.

>>36965959
Never liked doing lists, but I suppose my favourite writers/poets over the years have been Yukio Mishima, Vladimir Nabokov, D.H. Lawrence, Thomas Mann, Jane Austen, T.S. Eliot, W.B. Yeats and Evelyn Waugh.

I'm not as big of a cinephile but a few favourites are Tokyo Story, Gone with the Wind, Hara-Kiri, Eyes Wide Shut and A Serious Man.

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>>36962100
>ENTJ
>thought Light was an edgelord and with childish morals
>tfw still end up cheering for him because something just feels right

Hadn't really thought about it up until now but it makes sense, fundamentally he wanted to shape the world into what he thought was right, whether or not people liked it, nothing wrong with that. In the end he failed due to his own ego, nothing wrong with that either.

>>36966177
>nothing wrong with that either
Everything was wrong with that. He put himself above the plan. Dumb, dumb Light.

>>36965287
Then one of you was the wrong type or a little bitch.
>>36965356
I'll agree the E/INFP works. I say I because introverts tend to have more potential intimacy than with another extrovert. NFPs are really damn loyal and tend to follow with the intjs wild machinations.

>>36966210
I mean him failing due to his ego is not wrong, not that he wasn't stupid to underestimate his opponent. I guess my point just boils down to it not being a matter of right or wrong, just a matter of success or failure. I cheered for Light but didn't feel bad or anything about him losing, the same personality that got him there to begin with was also the one that got him killed.

It went to shit when L died anyway, and Light underestimating Near like that was also stupid. It's the last gamble, just take extra precautions. He should simply have had his guy rip out a page from the DN when the whole fake DN gamble began, then use that inside his "real" (which turned out to be fake) DN to write the names, and he'd have killed them all. It's the fucking finishing line, why not take an extra precaution?

>>36966177
>>36966210
>>36966328

If he didn't let his ego cloud his judgement he'd never have been in that position to begin with. After all the only way L managed to home in on him was because he took the bait by killing the TV announcer, which told L what city he was in. Even before that, if he had not been trying to establish himself as the god of justice and make a name for himself within a specific area (Japan), it would have been even harder to find him.

>>36965624
None of those are exclusive to the Perceiving function other than maybe unpredictability.

Which helps the argument for Ni and Se usage. He's a zillionaire. I'd do whatever the fuck I want if I were one too.

He isn't aware of Stane shady tactics until his captors reveal that they were using his weaponry. This is why he chooses to close down the arms division while being aware of the consequences. Not because he just wants to do so just because. He also does it in order to be focused on his armor as well as distributing all of the assets involved in weapon manufacturing to the armor tech. Everything has a purpose.

Simple. Because he doesn't has his shit together. Which is completely unrelated to his type though. You don't have to be a J to have it together however.

Not really. It's just him masking his true intentions. He's not rolling with the punches. He just doesn't know what his intentions are

Cont.

>>36961920
>ISTP not even on the chart
>worry.jpg

>>36961742
I'm INFP and I sincerely don't think I could be with someone who isn't. All the girls I've fallen for have been clear INFPs.

>>36961717
>believing that you can categorize the entire spectrum of human personality into 16 classes

keep eating the memes, its what you do best /r9k/

>>36964884
>Love projects, even outside of work
>Feel a lot of emotion, but terrible at communicating feels with others
>No time for people/things that are determined to be wastes of time
>Good at reading people, so-so on communicating with them
>Leaves unnecessary details, or things assumed to be understood already unsaid

Idk what other shit you might be looking for lad.
>t. ISTP

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I don't understand what people mean when they say "Can god create a rock so heavy he can't lift it?"

Couldn't god go back in time and help himself pick-up the incredibly heavy rock he invented?

Wouldn't that technically be god picking up a rock while simultaneously being too weak to lift it?

What are your thoughts on this?

>>36966517
*doesnt want others to know what his intentions are

>>36965748
Not a J but NT surely so.

Hedonism that could be categorized in his tertiary function. And helps the argument for him being ENTJ. Te > Se loop makes them being stuck in indulgence.

He does take charge right after getting it together in Civil War where his true ENTJ self is revealed.

Not all ENTJs are natural born leaders and he is a planner. He just happens to do so very subtly. Yeah he was too much of a volatility because he was stuck on his hedonism. It's not until he joins in with The Avengers where he begins to assume responsibility.

Submission to a structure isn't type specific. And he tries to unfold SHIELD's intentions because he has a 'gut feeling' (Ni) that they might be helming something larger than they appear to do so.

Being expressive about feelings is not limited to Feelers. With that said, Star Lord is definitely a ENxP or 'P' unlike Stark.

Even so, you get the point about the INTP-ENTJ relationship

>>36966691

AMEN

Originalio

>>36966691
Can god make a rock so heavy god himself can't lift it?
Proceed to make a rock that god, no matter how many recursive copies he makes, cannot lift.

>>36966691
why do people make this kind of shit

amen

>>36962100
>>36962174
>>36962212
>>36962261
>Spike
>Boss
>Bond
>Blonde

I'm very okay with this.

>>36961920
I don't know what I would do with more money tbqh. I'm fine living in a tiny appartment, and I only use excess money to buy mangas and videogames on sale.

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>>36966691

It's a paradox. If God is all-powerful, it should be possible for Him to create a challenge for Himself that even He can't overcome. But if He's all-powerful, then He should be able to complete that challenge and yadda yadda yadda. The result is I guess God isn't all-powerful in that sense, but so powerful compared to everything else that it doesn't really matter anyway.

AMEN

>>36966691
>Can God rock so hard even Satan will listen?

>>36961717
>ITSP
>forever alone
:'(

>>36966747
That's an infinity though.

You'll never have a real answer.

>>36966691
The question is not whether or not he could lift it by himself but if he had the power to do so. If he can lift it in any way than that counts as him using his omnipotence to lift the rock that was meant to be unliftable.And isn't God omnitemporal so how would he be able to travel back in time. It would be much simpler to create a duplicate of himself.

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>>36961717
tfw no estj partner

>>36966675
Real MBTI isn't some sort of "wow you're anxious you must be an introvert lol!"
The creators based their theories off of Jungian cognitive science, separating people until cognitive function and not polar opposites of E-I T-F etc
The jungisn functions were meant to find out how we perceive and react towards information, what MBTI did was take those functions Jung made, and reorganized them

If you learn about your functions you'd be surprised how accurate it can be

>>36966954
>Isn't God omnitemporal

I don't know which one we're talking about, so no.

He technically doesn't lift it by his own omnipotent power if there's an external force that is just as great as he is.

You pretty much hit infinity if you spin it like that.

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>>36961717
>tfw INFJ
>tfw no ENFP gf to force me on adventures with

>>36966939
Exactly. The point as the other anon said is that ta a paradoxical question.
God is supposedly able to do anything so supposedly he should not only be able to lift anything he should also he able to create something he cannot lift.
So now you have an infinite arms race of he can do it but he can't.

>>36965562
where are you from, anon?
intj here, but i don't play dwarf fortress

>>36967044
That's a rare Pepe, can I save it?

>>36967286
Sorry but no, I don't want it to be devalued in the market.

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>tfw ISTJ
How does it feel to not be the most successful introvert class, losers?

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>scored ISFP
can someone explain this personality to me in dumb people terms

>>36963198
>who believe you're above everyone else
If you're throwing a temper tantrum over fucking nothing, then yes, I am above you. People are the number 1 reason I always try to work alone when I have the opportunity.

>>36966564
You're a sad idiot

>>36967364
>most successful introvert
>least smelly turd
>most intelligent nigger

>>36963545
The last point you made is spot fucking on, wow. This is exactly how I thought and felt about a few autists in my senior design group. Im certain he was an INTP like me. I tried to get this point across to him, but he literally called everyone sheep all the time and dismissed me. Why does it seem other INTP's disregard INTP's when it comes to attacking their personal character? I for one am totally open to it.

Do any of the more cold/calculating types see any appeal to be friends with a INFP?

>>36968502
Depends what you're bringing to the table.

is it true that most posters in mbti threads are 16-20 years old and the same people who post infographs

>>36968502
No. All of my INFP friends have been passive-aggressive when they're not constantly feeling sorry for themselves. I even dated an INFP. It was fucking awful.

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>tfw enfp and very little people like me

It doesn't hurt I swear

>>36968562
Like what? Share interests and such?

>>36968602
Well I'm not passive-agressive, but I do get insecure when a person isn't straightforward/open about the friendship.

>>36967193
I am working in the Midwest this summer, but I go to school in Tennessee

This place especially sucks because all the normal people just leave as soon as they can, lol

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>>36968602
>INFP
>Not passive-aggressive

I think you've only got experience with immature INFPs.

Maybe I'm not aware that I'm being passive aggressive because there's a tendency for such thing to be very visceral.

>tfw i'm INTP and my oneitis is INFP
Am i doomed to fail robots?

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>Be INFJ
>Two of my close friends are ENFP and ENTP

>>36968791
You're compatible.
Give it a go.

I had friends that were INTP, but they took advantage of my spinelessness.

They were good friends to me before they did that.

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>>36961717
Here's another chart oregeg

>>36968821
>tfw she frequently gets annoyed at my logical approach to the world and my total indifference towards human rights and politics
>tfw i would rather ponder philosophical questions and read Taoism

>>36968894
>Politics

That is pretty annoying, but I have a feeling she can look past that.

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>>36968894
you.jpeg

>>36968914
To clarify, i don't give a rats ass about politics.
>>36968927
Surprisingly not a fedora, although i see why you would assume that.

>>36968957
You might be mentally mistyping her.

I'm an INFP, and I don't care at all about politics.

Then again, she might be a different ennegram, etc as there's a schism in each personality type according to SLOAN types.

I'd say fill this out and try and pick what she would put down.

http://similarminds.com/big-5-word-pair.html

>>36969017
Nah, we have both taken the test multiple times, actually she made me take the test. She's somewhat into the whole MBTI thing.

>>36968894
One of the main INTP issues is caring too much about being right. If you learn to look past that and try to interact with people's emotions, you'll have success.

>>36969073
Thanks anon. I always appreciate insight like this.

>>36968827
>tfw INFP
>tfw my matches sound dominant
I DID ask for this.
That chart is proably only applicable from a womens PoV ;_;

>>36968821
>but they took advantage of my spinelessness.
Odd. My take on relationships is to make everyone at least neutral towards you as it makes life take less effort.

>tfw INTP who can't help but feel extremely bitter and hostile towards women
I know it's not very rational, how do I stop viewing relationships in such an unhealthy way?

>>36969241
There's an aspect of sadism in there.
They weren't the most mentally grounded people around.

What were Klebold and Harris?

>>36969390
Klebold was an INFP, but I think Harris was like an ISTP

>>36966691
Well, he can create a quantum superposition

>>36968502
I'm INTP and I'm tsundere about INFPs. Sometimes I find them sweet and insightful, other times whiny and difficult. But I've had a few friends who tested INFP so I must see something in them.

Does anybody know what Timothy Mcveigh was?

I feel like he was definitely an xSTx

He extremely valued order and organization.

This chart is load of horse shit; Socionics has much better model of inter type relations; INTP's are best matched to ESFJs and ISFJs.
ENFP's can be a good match too.

Also, beware of INFJ's, You will fall madly in love with them and worship them but they will not care for you.

Here; http://falconnl.github.io/TypeSquare/

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>>36967777
How could you not at least pretend to care about those fucking dubs, son

>>36962046
>My family always tells me I'm a cold asshole.
When they say "INTP" they're talking about grown men, not teens who still haven't developped their inferior Fe. Also they have a job.

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>>36962100
>Fi is less selfish than Fe
>this is what Fi users actually believe

>>36971065
>dubs
I think you're off by a few anon

>>36962972
What the other anon said about being stuck in an INTP Ti/Si loop looks spot on.

you're basically a broken INTP, atleast you don't have Fe grip

>>36971888
>you're basically a broken INTP
What does that imply, how do broken INTP differ from normal ones
Nice trips

>>36971909
It's like being double-broken.

>>36965499
A worthless ISxJ type like yourself should be more concerned with counting shekels instead of dating!

ESFPs are fun loving bimbos
ESTPS are fun loving tomboys

don't worry, they're your best type because they're designed to stretch you out of your autistic dependency for routine and order.

>>36965776
you know, when you talk in terms of letters and TvsF ratios, you're literally talking complete nonsense that contradicts all of the research and original underlying theory that has gone into MBTI.

Sigh...

16personalities is shit...

cognitive functions is where it is at...

stop wasting thoughts on this...

step it up...

As a infp i find myself really attracted to intjs, why is this?? what are entjs like?

Are INFPs ever scientist and engineer types? I know somebody who seems like an INTP except for being capable of empathy and really really emotionally driven. I'm fairly new to MBTI so figuring people out is still a challenge to me, maybe it's actually obvious.

>>36961717
ENT/INT
Goes well with so many wonder why ?

>>36965913
There's something called intuitive bias

everyone wants to be a special snowflake le causal intellectual xDD

truth is, most N types are pretty recognisable, as an ENTP people describe me as the wildest, most bizarre yet strangely charming person they've ever met, and yet I'll often spend my weekends reading through Please understand me I&II again because I'm convinced I have to be an ISFJ for whatever reason. I've met a few INTJs in real life and everything from their mannerisms to the style of their thinking is very curious, and I don't mean they're uncharismatic, but maladjusted, it's amazing to watch them go about their lives which usually are extremely mundane.

I reckon about 70% of the so called Ns on the internet are actually just SJs types who have the perception of themselves being extremely intelligent and misunderstood, and therefore think they must be N types because of all the misinformation, both in how they perceive themselves and in the stereotypes of each type.

>>36967581
ISFP

ISFPs have strong moral values. Strict ideas of right or wrong. They're more affected by people committing "evil" actions, than the actual suffering caused by the action itself.

ISFPs are sensory orientated, they're very attentive to the outside world and often have fast reflexes, good coordination and very selective memory(? I read this somewhere).

>>36972183
I kind of have the feeling that the intuitive bias isn't real.

You can spot a sensor in real life almost immediately. Their bodies move like fish in water, and they're completely aware of everything that's in their path.

They're built for doing incredible physical acts in this world.

It's amazing.

>>36961717
Hi, ENTP here ama

>>36972472
Yeah but that would only be Se types

SJ types are autistically stuck in their head like both NJ and NP types, and SJs are much more common than any other type

I feel as if people may be getting the wrong impression from the whole S vs N dichotomy and may be thinking that because they're thoughtful and dreamy and, they must be a N type, when in reality, being overly thoughtful is a product of having Pi. The literal definition of Si is to have a strong attachment to mental impressions which lends itself into being thoughtful.

>>36972582
It's kind of hard to have it perfectly mis-matched though.

I'm an INFP, and I've consistently been classed as such on various personality tests ranging from MBTI to Ennegram to Big 5.

I do have Si as my dominant sensory function though.

I don't always synchronize with intuitive thought functions though, but at the same time, I generally do.

There's really not much to go off of when it comes to sensor vs. intuitive. I'd like to know, but there's not much information. I just remember always ultimately coming to the conclusion that I'm intuitive after a lot of digging around on the internet.

I've noticed a rise of MBTI related posts in my reddit feed (reeee, sue me)

but I can't decide if it's because I have learned about it (what is that called, I keep thinking of semantic satiation ironically enough) or because of these threads getting fairly popular

most of them are from the infp subreddit, which seems kinda appropriate

>>36972727
Well, I mean, we use all 8 functions, if we didn't use say, Se, then we wouldn't be able to process sensory information. In this regard, your third function is pretty significant, even as an ENTP, I often feel absorbed in past sensations and feelings, and spend a pretty significant time observing my internal sensations.

However, whereas a ISFJ would do this in an efficient and beneficial way, I do it in a frustratingly circular fashion that generates more problems than it solves. If I attempted to use Se instead however, then I'd really be in hell.

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>>36972908
I had a job where I had to use Se in construction.
I wasn't good at it, and I had an xSTx chuckle that I couldn't see.

I stepped in a pan of tile grout and everything because I was so caught up in my brain.

I thought I had Aspergers, but then, I learned about cognitive functions.

>>36972529
Hwat anime character are yu xD

>>36961717
INTP's don't like to be a bother.

>>36962419
Well not this INTP.

>>36972117
My experience is that intjs make real good friends intellectually because if you guys respect eachother enough the difference s in ur personal philosophies are very interesting for eachother. One of my best friends is intj.

>>36972183
>>36972582
So how do I know if I'm really INTP and not just an SJ in denial?
I'm an enneagram 5w4, I think.

>>36972117
Like INTJs but without the autism as dominant

>>36964619
Girls come and go, brothers are forever. If you do this to him he will never forgive or forget. If you end up marrying that will be akward as fuk, if you dont then ull be a shallow chad.

ENTP here, any INFP cutie females wanna get in on that green square?

>>36974056
I hate how everybody seems to believe this but I've had two great gfs and never a good friend.

>>36973957
Well, INTPs have Ti/Fe and only half the SJs (ESFJs and ISFJs) have Ti/Fe as well, so work out if you have Ti/Fe first

Then rule out INTP or ESFJ by reflecting on how strong your Fe is, ESFJs are masterful as at guiding conversations and getting a feel for the mood of a group, whereas INTPs are completely incapable.

If you don't feel defective on Fe, but not great either, then you're probably an ENTP or a ISFJ, then you can compare your Ne to your Si and see which one is greater.

Googling what Ne, Si, Ti and Fe "feel" like for the user is recommended at this stage.

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Honestly. All I ever see is extroverted people with gfs, regardless of how I try to talk with women, and be nice and respectable.

>>36973957
I will say, it may be helpful to consider how other people that you don't feel socially restrained around perceive you, my self image of myself paints me as a Si dom, but in reality I couldn't behave further from that.

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>>36974260
maybe you don't notice the introverted people because they are...

introverted?
at home fucking like rabbits?
eh, crying silently into their pillows?
shitposting on 4chan?

>>36974197
Ti is often described as indescribable, but from what I gather and assuming I have it, it's basically what makes us jump from one idea to the other and constantly form connections between things, extrapolating data from existing systems or creating new ones. Basically like weaving a web of ideas and thoughts.
Would you say that's accurate?
I'm really socially inept, so I can rule out Fe as anything else than my last function from the get-go. I can guide conversations but only "mechanically" by figuring out what I have to say to get the other person to respond in a certain way.
I definitely have Ne as a strong function given my interests and what I spend my time doing, since Ne sees possibilities and potential, and concerns itself with how things could be.

Given all this, it seems reasonable to assume I'm not mistyped but maybe I made a mistake or had a shitty analysis.

>>36974285
I don't have friends, so my only frame of reference is my family.
They perceive me as intelligent but too withdrawn, I disagree with the former though I guess they're right about my lack of social skills.
>my self image of myself
Is there a way to acquire an objective image of yourself, or can you never be truly impartial when depicting your own personality?

>>36961717
I'm somewhere between ENTJ and INTJ (I when surrounded by idiots or outside of comfort zone.
Also 25 year old virgin.

But yeah, but IF it woul work out, it would do so greatly. Good to know .. I geuss?

MBTI is a joke in itself.

>>36961970
That feel, that feel, what's a feel

>>36962474

As an ENTP, nothing else really matters except new and exciting ideas or funny comments. Also, real genuine humanity is nice. As an ENTP we always try to get into someone else's head so it's awesome when people can just be themselves and throw away that shitty persona for a while.

>>36961717
I get along with anyone as long as they don't piss me off
t. INTP

>>36963198
>spot the feeler fag

How do I stop being INTP and transition to ENTP
Just stop caring about what other people think?

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>Istp

People tell me the same thing but seems to like me anyway.
The more evil and bastard I'm towards the world and everyone, the more they seem to like me.

>I Don't get why.

Liked as "Oh That's so Anon". Like if they don't take me seriously.
I only want them to fuck off.


I want to like people, I don't want to be liked.