A message to all robots

Socialist society enables roasties.

Right-wing autocracies are the patrician-tier regimes we want to see installed to bring forth a new age without decadence.

Take your propaganda to reddit.

>>36938543
>patrician-tier regimes
Because Hitlers Germany and Mussolinis Italy weren't complete totalitarian shitfests, right?

>>36938543
You know what enables roasties? Free market capitalism.

>>36938543
>roasties
Bingo! Within the first line of response someone is already blaming their own feelings of failure and suffering on another oppressed demographic via anatomically incorrect body shaming.

This is exactly why you should read some of the links I posted.

>>36938594
>>36938614

Spain under Franco was the perfect right-wing autocracy, socialist fags can't deny this.

Only reason it doesn't exist today is Juan Carlos.

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>>36938524
>hurr durr patriarchy
Shut the fuck up, you make me ashamed to be a socialist, patriarchy and family is the only thing that protected the proletarians from the mutliples dangers of the society, but you would know that if you'd come from a poor family but you're just a middle-class fags who wants to be a rebel, just like 99% of modern commies

>>36938620
Your links are Judeo-bolshevik propaganda.

>>36938645
But family is a social contract established to maintain the heritage of private property, read your Engels you fuckwit.

>>36938624
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_children_of_Francoism
Fucking perfect, alright.

>>36938658
>its the joos
It really never ends does it. If it's not women, it must be the blacks. If it's not the blacks, it must be the jews. If it's not the jews, it must be the muslims. Why can't you view them as allies in the struggle against oppression rather than some sort of alien 'minority' race destined on undermining your own wellbeing?

soz senpai
communism is responsible for more deaths worldwide than any other ideology
let's not try it again
stem is open to you if you want to escape poverty

>>36938678
I won't read a book wrote by a bourgeois who pretends to be a worker
Kek you dont even deny that you're a middle-class fag

>>36938699
These people desired the destruction of the Spanish nation and identity at the altar of Judean Republicanism. No mercy for the defeated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_miracle

>>36938701
I am not oppressed. Capitalism has nothing to do with social issues. My interests, the interests of women and the interests of blacks are also vastly different. We aren't comrades. We are all part of our respective nations and struggle for the domination of our cultural sphere.

>>36938731
>I'm a socialist!
>But I won't read socialist theory!

ok

>>36938524
fucking kill youself faggot


eghtserthgsrethsrh

>>36938645
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/

Moreover, the patriarchy is a tool utilised by Capitalists to divide the working class. This thread is ample evidence of this fact. Many proletariats here have directed their justifiable anger at "the roasties!!", when really it should be pointed at the systems that oppress us all.

>>36938755
You assume everyone here is working class.

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>>36938710
>communism death meme
Hey anon I found your pic

>>36938735
You're talking about innocent children, motherfucker.

>>36938786
These children got a far better future than their whore mothers and their dead or in POW camps fathers could provide for them.

El Caudillo was a generous man.

>>36938524
Fuck off, Commie scum. Your precious Soviet Union has fallen and the only remnants of your wretched ideology are in SE Asia.

Your Communism is a failure and Occidental democratic-capitalism is the most efficient system man has developed to date. Take your propaganda and shove it up your ass, Marxist.

>>36938735
This is the sort of individualist thought that capitalism relies on. This divisiveness allows oppression to fester.

>I am not oppressed
Everyone's oppressed. Even the richest capitalists at the very top of the world are oppressed, they just aren't aware of that fact. Even if you don't consider yourself oppressed, your complacency is enabling suffering amongst those who are very obviously oppressed, like the 21 children who have died from preventable diseases since I first started typing this comment.

I love how the far-left is so blatant with trying to recruit social outcasts.

It's why all of their rallies are full of queers, minorities and ugly people.

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>>36938524
Solve banking and then we'll talk.

>>36938843
I could not care less for these children as long as they are not Spaniard children. I believe that all of us and from every class of society should unite for the betterment of the nation.

The only promoting division is your ideology which advocates national destruction.

>>36938742
>I'm a socialist and i'm against the modern society
>so i read 200 years old books

ok

>>36938755
You stupid motherfucker, if the patriarchy was a tool for the capitalists why they give millions to feminist organizations ?
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/laurie-penny/2012/02/women-white-miller-woman-young-2

>>36938701
>If it's not women, it must be the blacks. If it's not the blacks, it must be the jews. If it's not the jews, it must be the muslims.

Jews corrupted women
Jews rile up blacks
Jews push for Muslim immigration

It's Jews.

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>>36938843
You've come to the wrong ground, Marxist. We see through the veil and know what you and your ideology really are. You don't want a revolution for the good of all; you want a revolution so you can take power and fancy yourself some kind of central planner.

No. We're not falling for your bullshit feel-good mental illness.

>>36938524
Kick out all the faggots, trannies, feminists, and token minorities, and I might consider your "socialism".

Until then, the people who espouse it make it far too unappealing.

>>36938701
>Why can't you view them as allies in the struggle against oppression rather than some sort of alien 'minority' race destined on undermining your own wellbeing?

>t. Mordecai Bagelberg

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Sorry, I don't believe in communism. It's a utopian ideology that doesn't take human nature into account. A hyper capitalist society will not survive long as we only have finite resources on this planet but a communist system that smashes everyone into the same level will not work either. you cannot evenly distribute resources to EVERYONE. People will WANT MORE and they will FIND WAYS of achieving that. Whether it be as simple as lying to your neighbour, mugging the person on the street or bending the rules to your own preference. Humans are too unpredictable for such a perfect system to thrive.

Communism is too perfect, it lays out our lives in a neat little plan when we are such unpredictable, destructive and loving creatures. For communism to truly work you will need to change the nature of man and when you change it we won't be man anymore, but rather mindless drones working for the "greater good" of all.

And to that I say fuck you, the individual is what matters. The individual trumps all.

>>36938755
>implying feminism and BLM aren't capitialist schemes to divide the lower classes

which is it anon?

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>>36938524
>The patriarchy
[[[SJW INTENSIFIES]]]

>>36938710
Communism is stateless socialism, of which I think you will agree hasn't existed on Earth as of yet. The USSR was a transitional state, and many argue it was still state capitalist.

Even if we accept that the USSR was communist (which it wasn't) is there anything inherent in the ideology of communism that necessitates the deaths of millions? No? Then perhaps it would make sense to look at external factors which may have affected the Soviet Union's (or any other countries) ability to properly implement the ideology. Like, for example (but certainly not limited to): Western imperialism, Western capitalist economic imperialism (e.g. Cuba), the dominance of state capitalism around the world, the insistence of state capitalist countries to perpetually damage any attempts at communism globally (Vietnam, Korea, etc), the fact the Soviet Union was practically a feudal state preceding WW1, the fact the USSR practically singlehandedly took the brunt of the Nazi's and won WW2 on both the Eastern Front and to the West with the Japanese, the fact revisionists like Gorbachev put so much effort into de-transitioning the Soviet Union away from its socialist goal in spite of the massive successes it had achieved since the 1917 revolution (which you won't typically read about in Western capitalist history books - hardly surprising) - I could go on.

I also dare you to look at the death toll British Imperialism inflicted on India - an inherently capitalistic act.

>>36939097
At this point we're just going to write you off as bait. Maybe you'll get more responses if you bag up your Marxist garbage and take it over to /pol/.

Thanks for playing. Bye.

>>36939049
>brocialism
Liberal feminism I won't deny is a handy tool for the ruling classes to divide the working class. But any sort of leftist thought must not be divorced from feminism, because the patriarchy is such a fundamental tool of capitalist oppression and serves to divide the working class. All you have to do is to read some Lenin to understand why feminism is so important to the class struggle.

BLM fundamentally opposes both the police (class traitor tools of capitalist oppression) and the US capitalist state, so I don't see how it could be a capitalist scheme?

Ignoring oppression itself fosters divisiveness amongst the working class. The left must at the very least be intersectional.

>>36939162
Why even bother responding if you have nothing of value to add to the discussion?
>we're
glad you're speaking on behalf of this whole board, how very noble of you

I hope at some point in the future you shake this reactionary fad and read a bit of relevant literature.

>>36939260
All the literary wiek this board needs is the Bible and the collected speeches of El Caudillo.

Hey /pol/tards, r9k is /leftypol/ territory now, gtfo.
Kthxbye.

>>36938873
>>I'm a socialist and i'm against the modern society
>>so i read 200 years old books
It's almost as if the rightness of Engels' social and economic analysis does not diminish with time? How about you just read it and decide for yourself?

>You stupid motherfucker, if the patriarchy was a tool for the capitalists why they give millions to feminist organizations ?
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/laurie-penny/2012/02/women-white-miller-woman-young-2
Feminism can be and has been coopted by the ruling classes to make it seem like progressive change is occurring (female police = progression! [no]), and to further divide the working class. Being against the patriarchy does not equate to liberal, capitalist feminism. Please read some Engels or some Lenin or some Rosa Luxemburg to understand this.

>>36938850
>>I love how the far-left is so blatant with trying to recruit social outcasts.
>I love how the far-left is so blatant with trying to recruit [victims of the system we're against]

>>It's why all of their rallies are full of queers, minorities and ugly people.
>It's why all of their rallies are full of [victims of capitalist oppression and divisiveness], [victims of capitalist oppression and divisiveness] and [victims of capitalist oppression and divisiveness].

>>36938941
dude
jews
lol

Why is liberte, egalite & fraternite such a bogeyman to rightwingers?

>>36938917
>I'm a victim of oppression blaming my oppression on fellow victims of oppression

>>36938887
>everyone who wants a better world must be some sort of Raynian individualist who's sole aim is to become grand dictator post revolution
lovely tin foil hat

>>36938764
Well, is anyone here the owner of a business that extracts surplus value from its employees? No? Then you're all working class.

>>36939097

Agree with most of this.

>the fact the Soviet Union was practically a feudal state preceding WW1,

Modern Russia is more feudal than the USSR. The USSR was too centralised to be feudal: as far as I'm aware there were no local administrative clans with any significant autonomy until after the collapse.
Some traces of the pre-revolutionary social order did remain (peasant communes formally reformed into kolkhoz), but the USSR was effective in eliminating a lot of the tsarist/traditionalist consciousness and to an extent creating a new social identity for all its citizens.

> the fact revisionists like Gorbachev put so much effort into de-transitioning the Soviet Union away from its socialist goal

This began during early Stalin, not Gorbachev. However, it was probably the right decision, since Communism was pretty much impossible to institute, and would require Russia to destroy itself by spending all its resources on organising revolutions abroad (like Trotsky planned).
Stalin decided to do what he thought was best for the people of the Russian Empire, rather than pursue an abstract and impractical utilitarian idea.

As for everything else, very solid, anon.

But I'm a white male, how can I possibly be oppressed?

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My only issue with leftism, specifically more hardline movements is the eventual transition into the stateless society of full communism. I also dislike anarchists and anarchist movements.

>>36938614
this has to be a joke, or OP is retarded
>>36938524
>>36938701
fuck off, at least post this shit on /pol/

>>36939845
This is why the internet right is justified in feeling alienated by the liberal establishment and liberal feminism. And that's why you should all become intersectional marxists instead. Oppression isn't limited to sex and race, although these are prescient categories. Oppression is omnipresent, and so instead of addressing specific symptoms we should treat the disease as a whole.

>>36939677
Thanks anon. It was written in a frenzy so I definitely oversimplified a few points for the sake of making a point.

When I said
>the fact the Soviet Union was practically a feudal state preceding WW1
I meant Tsarist Russia, not the Soviet Union, which of course did not exist until after the First World War.

>an abstract and impractical utilitarian idea.
I wouldn't say these are great criticisms of communism, though. Surely an abstract but justifiable idea perceived as impractical is preferable to a system that by definition necessitates oppression in many different forms and will inevitably, one way or another, lead to the destruction of humanity?

>>36940287

>I wouldn't say these are great criticisms of communism, though.

Oh, those are not criticisms of communism at all.
When I said "abstract and impractical idea", I did not mean the institution of communism in general, I mean the institution of communism with the USSR as nucleus, given the conditions of the time and the resources available.
Personally I'm in favour of a Venus-project type system, although I think there are big problems with creating an AI-run global economy too.

I'll accept a socialist government that does not recognize women as adults and prohibits them from partaking in politics.

As well as makes their basic income dependent on being married and never having been divorced, with reasonable exceptions for well documented spousal abuse of course.

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>>36938524
What you say is true, but when it comes down to it im not taking the bait of this disguised commie thread.
Im American and the American system is the most free in the world, free may not be fair and i may have my fucked over, but i wont betray my country.

>>36940755

>Im American and the American system is the most free in the world

Nope.

>>36940755

>he thinks he's free

dude, I'd rather be on communism than on whatever brand of brainwashing you're on.

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>>36938620
>Bingo! Within the first line of response someone is already blaming their own feelings of failure and suffering on another oppressed demographic via anatomically incorrect body shaming.
As long as you talk to people this way you will lose. Do not preach to 4chan when you're a complete newfag.

>>36938524
>The patriarchy is responsible for your feelings of sexual failure, not you
The solution to this is not to make society "uncompetitive" (you won't succeed by the way, the removal of economic differentiation will only be complete reliance on social differentiation. A communist state is being talked over in committee meetings by student government weasels). I'm not sad because I'm being outcompeted, I'm sad because I'm excruciatingly lonely and starved for intimacy. Patriarchy has very little to do with this.

>Similarly, our society unfairly demands for you to fit into a very small and restrained box of social skills, which leads to a feeling of alienation amongst those unable to do so.
You're fucking retarded. Are you trying to revolutionize socialization so that it does not require skills relevant to socialization? To make interaction where people are not expected to be entertaining, agreeable, or pleasant to talk to? Where no cultural training takes place in conversation whatever?

Some people are more interesting, entertaining, and sexually desirable than others. Any scheme for changing this is dystopian. There are people you like talking to and people you don't, and it has very little to do with capitalism. You need more social control, rather than social liberation, if you want to integrate alienated people in any capacity.

I despise shitheads like you, and /leftypol/ is an abhorrent board. Lonerism can amount to more than your brain dead parroting.

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>Hey [DEMOGRAPHIC]
>Your issue with [Problem] can be solved with adherence to [Ideology]

haven't heard that shit before you fucking moron

don't be a bloody marxist

>>36942918

> t. (((milton friedman))) & co.

>>36939845

This is the only post this thread needed.

Why would I support a system that says I have been born with some original sin and need to be destroyed?

Far-right all the way, because to say "Whites have a right to exist", to say "Male suicide is too damned high", to say "Awful lot of jews seem to want our extinction, judging by all these articles they write about it... pretty suspicious no?" makes me a fucking evil Nazi.
While these "tolerant" asshats act more batshit that a middle ages plague doctor when it comes to white people. Or men. OR even goddamn boys. Children.

Fuck the left.
Their scumbags.

I may be an ugly, creepy underachiever in a capitalist-socialist country with a right-wing majority,
But I'd be far worse off in your oppression Olympics caste system you retarded cumguzzlers.

At least at the minute, I know that there's actually a chance for improvement for me.

>>36944573

White men have a lower suicide rate than Asian men, just like women have a lower suicide rate than men.

Suicide is an Asian male problem. Hopefully you do not protest or alter that fact, which is equivalent to accusing me of being a Nazi for stating it.

>>36945563
I think Asians in Western societies have lower suicide rates than whites in Western societies, but countries like Japan do have higher suicide rates, yeah.

>>36938771
lol

Keep your own delusions about U.S.S.R, pre-1970 China and Cuba.

>>36938594
>using totalitarian as if its a bad word
What makes you say they were shitfests?

Systems are a social construct and therefor somebody or some group is to blame.

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>>36948030
They were unsustainable, oppressive shit stains.

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>>36940755
>but i wont betray my country.
Your country is a made up set of lines on a map meant to oppress you. Why would you fight for the very thing that oppresses you?