There better not be any fucking commies on this board

>>36838292
>tfw you realize america has redistributed more money than any other nation on the planet.
>you also realize centralized currency exists to serve an oligarchy and not its people.
>You still defend your fascist overlords because Uncle Sam used /pol/ as a spawning pool to nurture autistic fucks in some twisted circlejerk to fuel your aspy contempt for normalfags.
Venezuela was doing fine until America came in and manipulated oil prices, sinking also the russian and iranian economies.
Libya too, until America rolls in and kills their leader and also destroying their nation.
Germany again, until Uncle Sam storms in like a true white knight jew loving cuck faggot while the rest of the troops were heroically killing jewish slave soldiers to prevent a total takeover of Europe.

B-but communism's never worked r-right?

>>36838544
>Venezuela was doing fine
Lmao what? They based their entire economy on oil you dumb nigger then insulted the people who buy from them...

Also communism has never worked (and never will) you cuckold

>>36838544
So delusional

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>>36838292
Whatchu' gonna do about it, huh?

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>>36838576
>communism has never worked
USSR

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what now marxists?

>>36838640
>the USSR was a successful nation

>>36838687
You're right, it was

>>36838703

not for the people living in it.

>>36838712
In what way niglet? You're being vague

>>36838703
>he posts this from the comfort of his American household, completely unaware of how shit it was, and of how shit its successors are now

>>36838737
I'm not American lol

>>36838731
>>36838678

read it leftist

>>36838754
You're not russian or eastern european that's for sure.

Probably some australian shitposter or a britbong who never actually experienced communism

>>36838292
Should I just leave then or what?

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Lenin would fuck you up 1v1 irl

If you're a communist, unironically kys. Working people are not "exploited" by capitalism. They live comfortably off their labor.

>>36838687
compared to anything else the slavs could have achieved? absolutely it was a success
there's a reason people in russia miss the soviet union, they know capitalist russia has no hope of ever contributing anything to the sum of human civilization

>>36838766
solzhenitsyn was a cuck

>>36838817
>they know capitalist russia has no hope of ever contributing anything to the sum of human civilization
Take out the word "capitalist" and this is true. Russia is a historyless nation. Everything from their alphabet to religion to state apparatus had to be imported from else where.

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>>36838817

>solzhenitsyn was a cuck

>>36838770
i am Eastern European lol, why do you assume I'm not
>>36838803
>working people are not exploited by capitalism
>what is labour-power
>what is wage labor

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>>36838754
The USSR was the poorest, most backwards fucked up totalitarian dictatorship this world has seen, led by an equally shitty government that will never work. Hundreds of thousands of people died under Soviet rule either in gulags or of starvation because of how shit life was, and other east european states didn't have it better. I'm a Romanian, and the people here got to experience communism.
Do you think all of Eastern Europe revolted against communism in 1989 for shits and giggles?

>pic related is a soviet bread line

>>36838858
You do realize that Russia in general is a fucked up country right? The transformation of Imperial Russia to USSR was still certainly better than the former, considering the sheer industrialization. Don't forget that people died under Yeltsin's Russia as well.

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>>36838803
That's right you teII 'em.

>>36838891 #
The fact that people died otherwise too doesn't make it a better regime anon. Industrialization was good, but it didn't make up for everything else. How come other communist states were shit as well?

>>36838858
Even today Russia, which by all means should be a wealthy nation, has a per capita income of only $9000, which is even lower than it was a couple years ago. Meanwhile, Putin is likely the richest person in the world and the kleptocrats have unimaginable wealth. Russia has corruption in its DNA, just like the USSR did.

>>36838926
>the fact that people died before doesn't make it a better regime
but it certainly shows the conditions of the area
>industrialization was good but it didn't make up for everything else
believe me, that's not the only pro of the ussr
>how come other communist states were shit as well
see Libya, Burkina Faso, and miscellaneous communes

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>>36838844
>Take out the word "capitalist" and this is true. Russia is a historyless nation.
soviet science was cutting-edge even despite the political suppression that occurred and you're either ignorant or a deluded ideologue if you think otherwise

>>36839034
Soviet science? You mean shit like Lysenkoism? lol

>>36839018
>stateless
>classless
These are two important pieces

>>36838858
>Eastern Europe choosing to revolt against communism is a sign that the rational thing to do is oppose communism
>Eastern Europe choosing to uphold communist systems for decades and now expressing nostalgia for them is a sign that uhhhh shut up and stop thinking
don't read too much into political events; humans aren't rational

>>36838849
And the workers were exploited under communism and received even less in return.

>>36839124
you still didn't deny capitalism's exploitation though

>>36839103
People in Romania that are nostalgic about communism are old people that fell for the personality cult meme Ceausescu perpetuated. Just because they refuse to accept how shit it was it doesn't mean it was good.

>>36839152
There's always going to be people at the bottom. At least under capitalism you have a shot of clawing your way up.

>>36839152
It is only exploitation if you get less than what you put in. You think you're average working class person today in a first world country is exploited? Just lol. I guess you think not owning the newest iPhone is "oppression" too.

>>36839178
>at least under capitalism you have a shot of clawing your way up
come the fuck on, the eight richest will have the same wealth as the poorest 50%
>>36839216
>it is only exploitation if you get less than what you put in
and that's the deal with labour-power
>you think you're average working class person today in a first world country is exploited
yes, but not on the same level as the third world
>i guess you think not owning the newest iphone is "oppression" too
good thing i don't own an iPhone, how does this relate to the conversation?

>>36839216
Just keep telling yourself that classcuck

Does anyone else unironically want a communist revolution?
Communism itself is obviously a fairytale and not going to exist for longer than 30 minutes, but it might provide a fresh start that we all need.

>>36839081
this is why nobody respects /pol/tards, you can only think in memes, you hear "soviet union", think "lysenko", think "bad" like you're a fucking ape who can only use emotions for everything
soviet biology was crippled by lysenko, wow, amazing, one field of human knowledge out of how many total? One discipline where nothing useful was produced, compared to how many disciplines that would have produced nothing useful if Russia had been run by tsarists or liberal bourgeois? There are nine soviet nobel laureates in STEM fields, and every single one of them was only able to do good work because communism whipped Russia into shape. This idea that communism causes countries to fail is self-evidently absurd in a world whose past century has been dominated in large part by communist superpowers, and it baffles me why conservatives think it's a sensible point to try to make.

>>36839474
How were the germans and americans successfull in science without "comunism"?

>le exploytyushun ree give me give me

X-D

>>36839496
because the capitalist countries are the status quo, therefore it's a given science would be in those specific countries

>>36839620
So what is your point then? Would communism cause them to have more scientific advancements?

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>>36839658
I wasn't the person who posted
>>36839474, but i assume the point is that despite whatever associations people relate to communism, the achievements made during the USSR still are notable (or something like that)

>>36839496
>How were the germans and americans successfull in science
by being members of a culture that isn't ass-on-mouth backwards and that could maintain coherent civilization without a specifically prosocial ideology? Germany and more generally the west are naturally successful countries. The Soviet Union, until it was made to collapse by bureaucrats who no longer wished to continue the communist project, was a country induced into being successful. The fact that naturally successful countries recoil in horror at the human costs of transforming a feckless nation into one that can be successful has nothing to do with how effective communism is.

>>36839658
If we're talking about 20th century america/germany? Maybe, maybe not, depends on the details, hard to tell. If we're talking about 21st century america/germany? Abso-fucking-lutely. Science today is far too bloated and captured by finance industry, all of the downsides of having to answer to bureaucrats who don't care about truth with none of the benefits of an ambitiously utopian ideology.

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My guns say i deserve better and i'm inclined to agree.

>>36839809
And what do you base this assumption on that communism will make our science more efficient rather than even more burocratic?
You don't think that state funded universities have enough burocracy?

>>36839692
It's not like that money goes into a black hole though

>>36839692

>Buying expensive alcohol
>To mix with red bull and cola

Bartender here and I laugh my ass off every time someone does this. It doesnt matter how expensive your alcohol is if you drown it in red bull, but when you start buying real top-tier shit... and drown it in red bull? its sad

Dont matter how rich you are if you get tricked, used and humiliated by businesses whilst thinking youre the don

>>36839902
>totalitarian government makes the manufacture of bullets illegal
2nd Amendment neutered

>>36838292
y'all acting like commies are anything other than normie tier political shitposters. Communism is not a threat lol this isn't 1950

>>36839993
>duhhhh muh state funded universities
fuck you, bitch, I'm not going to spoonfeed arguments to someone who obviously has ideological blinkers on
socialism is not what you think it is; capitalism is not what you think it is
maybe stop fluffing mr shekelstein's cock for half a second and think about why scientists consistently lean left wing despite experiencing firsthand how stupid and arbitrary government bureaucracy is

>>36838858

No it wasnt.

It wasnt until the mid-late seventies that it the US economy began to outpace the Soviet one (which contributed to Soviet collapse later). That, might I add, is a Soviet economy that came out of WW2 FAR worse off than the US one (the US profiteered and profited from both world wars).

Horrible dictatorship, yes, I agree with you there, I'm not defending the USSR's morale actions, but poorest? nope. backwards? not really, not until very late on. I think you're confusing the entire history of the USSR with the Stalinist and post-Soviet periods.

Also I don't think you're a Romanian because you refer to yourself, the 1989 revolter countries and Romania as 'east european' (like Americans do) and appear to confuse the USSR with Warsaw Pact countries. American?

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>>36840175
Because without gubment grants they couldn't study the effects of horse semen on dandelion growth.

>>36838770
do you actually think eastern euros dont like communism/the ussr?

you have to be kidding

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>>36838770
>>36838849
>>36840289
Really gets the old noggin joggin', doesn't it?

>>36840345
>regrets down by 10 percent in a little over a decade
>you will never enjoy glorious communism with your grandchildren but their grandchildren just might

>>36840228
>I don't think you're a Romanian because you refer to yourself, the 1989 revolter countries and Romania as 'east european' (like Americans do) and appear to confuse the USSR with Warsaw Pact countries.
He's presenting ideas in a way that EOP americans can understand you dumb cuck
What the fuck is wrong with you

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>>36838292
dib anyon say gobbudism :-DDD

>>36840289

'eastern europe' isnt one homogeneous unit, typical american derping, let me educate you

some people miss communism, but it usually depends on just how well off your nationality was under communism, and whether you spent your childhood years under it. Ukrainians, Belarussians and Russian for example miss communism because their current situation is arguably worse off now with no hope (russia belarus) or little hope (ukraine) for change

Occupied countries, the baltic states, hate communism because it represents Russian occupation of their countries for them

Puppet countries, like Poland and Czech, most of whom are now in the EU and are FAR better off economically, hate communism because of the national humiliation it entailed - being under a foreign powers domination for so long, and view their post-communist success in democratic and stable countries as their rightful place in the world that was kept from them by Russia

Then you have oddities like the DDR that misses communism because it was one of the strongest of the Warsaw Pact economically and their living standards fell after the reunification

>>36840533

eastern eurhope..... isnt one homo unit??????

uh dude????
'
huh????? dude3?????? what????


i cant BELIEVE THIS DUDE WHAT


literally everyone knows that retard

>>36840175
Why are you so abrasive?
I am a scientist and I know first hand how much burocracy you have to deal with.
I want to know what proof do you have that communism is going to streamline it rather than introduce more burocracy.
>why scientists consistently lean left wing
I don't know, probably because most of the media leans left wing.
I am not ideologically opposed to socialism it's just that Marx' prophetic timeline doesn't seem to work out and you people make really bold assumptions about how better things will be but they don't seem to have much evidence behind them.

>>36840639
>why do scientist lean left
Same reason monks do. Intelligence and enlightenment go hand and hand allowing us to see the one true path.
:^)

>>36838858
>Hundreds of thousands

You mean millikns right? Do you know about the famines? Google holodomor.

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>>36840745
>blaming the ussr for holodomor

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>>36838292
>Politics lecturer was a literal marxist
>Couldn't give a straight answer to a dumb girl asking a simple "Why would anyone strive to be a doctor in a communist society?" style question
Can anyone answer it? Why would I spend years of hardship and training for a specialized job when I could flip burgers instead?

>>36840804
>Not acknowledging the influence Moscow had on satellite states

Is communism better than fascism? Both are anti capitalist but most people supporting communism seem to be really lame and hate white people for some reason.

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>>36840837
fascism still uses the capitalist mode of production

//// This is a Stormfront damage control thread ////

>>36840857
If you define capitalism as anything with private property then it's a very shallow analysis.

>>36838687
Yugoslavia

>inb4 look at how that ended

it didn't die because of communism faggot, it died the bloody way it did because of nationalism

>>36840857
And that's why fascism is superior.

>>36840837
Communists ignore ethnicity and have no desire to build a functional, high trust society. Like lolbergs/capitalists, their endgame is the eternal dildo, endless hedonism, and drug addicted masses

>>36838544
>Venezuela doing fine
You what you fucking nigger, Chavez and Maduro fucked everything up

>>36840888
But I thought under communism everyone is equal? That there are no racial or ethnic differences, that nationalism is as stupid as religion?

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>>36840837
Italian fascism (original fascism) was very cool. They championed the arts and the state, everyone was to work for the betterment for each other and Italy. They were weak, but very cool.

>>36840928
communism isn't based on equality, it's based on equity and usefulness

>>36840928
It was the fucking CIA that did it, same with Venezuela and USSR

>>36840941
is that real or shooped? creepy af pham, the nazis would have probably called this degenerate

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>>36840928
There are nationalist forms of Communism. It's revisionist, but nonetheless exists.

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Communism inherently implies everyone needs and or wants the exact same amount of things, which is impossible

>>36840974
In East Asia "communism" basically means nationalism. Ho Chi Minh said he was more of a patriot than a communist.

>>36840981
No it doesn't. To think that is stupid of you.

>>36838544

See kids, this is how retards justify a failed system, it's someone else's fault.

Same thing for black people in america. "The white man is putting us down".

>>36840992
So then why the distribution of wealth?
Why is there a cap on how much money you can have?

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>>36840991
I personally think though that nationalist communism is a fucking horrible thing and anyone who subscribes to it shouldn't be taken seriously. And if they try to lead a revolution, they should be shot.

>>36840974
that's fucking retarded, one central tenet that both Marx and Lenin agreed on was that there needed to be a simultaneous global revolution in order for it to work. And that the start was fucking flawed to begin with, it should have erupted in an industrialized nation like England or Germany and spread from there, not largely agrarian countries like WW1 Russia or WW2 China

>>36841025
This. America is ripe for change AND the best option all things considered. Soon all shall kowtow to us even more than they already do.

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>>36841022
What are you defining as distribution of wealth? Money is abolished. If you means basic goods, then the Commune comes together to distribute it. That doesn't permit equality in totality. If you don't want consumer good X, then the Commune isn't going to waste it's resources giving you consumer good X.

People interpret communism far too dogmatically (everyone will always be equal in every single way!) and not enough pragmatically (equality within reason, true absolute equality is truly impossible).

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>>36841025
Yes. The revolution should've won out in Germany. Even Lenin wrote about how if the Germans couldn't win their revolution, then the Bolsheviks were already doomed and fucked.

And wow, he was actually right!

>>36841022
communism abolishes the use and concept of money you fucking idiot

>>36840781
>China just as much a sea of light as capitalist counties
Yeah man, communisim totally is at fault here and not isolationism, you sure showed them!

>>36841196
China's actually brighter than most and has less deadspots that even murica.

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>>36840820
You know there are a ton of people who would love to be doctors and technicians and shit, right? They can't afford to get into it, and even if they can, they are exploited and used by a company for profit instead of human well-being.

The whole fucking point of Communism is that you pursue whatever job you are passionate about. Some people want the easy life of just flipping burgers or being a janitor, while others want to be doctors and architects. The whole point is self-achievement and learning, not mindlessly striving for fucking paper which you people seem incapable of thinking of any other motivator.

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>>36841196
China underwent market-based reforms starting from the 1970s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping#Economic_reforms

>Deng attracted foreign companies to a series of Special Economic Zones, where foreign investment and market liberalization were encouraged.

Does that sound like communism to you?

SEZ = Shanghai, Shenzhen, etc. Can you imagine USSR inviting foreign capitalists (esp. Americans) to set up factories and use their people as labor? Ie, the people do not own the means of production, foreign capitalists do? That's what China did, and it worked.

>>36841280
China had to enter it's capitalist phase of development. Socialism is not possible before capitalism and proper accumulation of capital.

However this also fucked up Sino-Soviet cooperation, which effectively pitted the only other major Red country (China) against the USSR.

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>>36838292

KILL KOMMIES

1776 TO INFINITY

>>36841320
look at those baby boy hands lol

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>>36838640
>>36840974
>lefty memes
always with the walls and walls of text so the viewer is told exactly what to think. Can't risk letting anons come to "incorrect" interpretations of your memes, right? Just like they attempt to micromanage your speech, they micromanage their memes.

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>>36841401
>implying /pol/ infographics aren't the same exact thing

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>>36840781
North Korea vs. South Korea - same history, people, culture, language, genetics, geography, etc. until 1950

East Germany vs. West Germany - same history, people, culture, language, genetics, geography, etc. from 1945-1990

Taiwan vs. mainland China - same history, people, culture, language, genetics, etc. until 1950

You can't even argue that there's racial or cultural differences, that Anglos or Western Europeans would do communism better than Africans or Mexicans or any shit like that. You already have examples of genetically the exact same people speaking the exact same language trying two different economic systems, and one turned out to be clearly superior within a matter of decades.

Commies get fucked - your system sucks, inherently, as a direct result of human nature (biology). Nobody cares about being equal or looking out for one another.

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>>36841267
fair enough response I suppose. I would need to see it in action to believe it would work though, and that there wouldn't be mass shortages of certain roles within society

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>>36841320
>listening to a dickhelm's opinion
Come back when you got a REAL helm, nerd.

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>>36841436
>I don't know what the difference between an infographic and a meme is

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>>36841320
>>36841457

blown
the
fuck
OUT
dude

>>36841438
I should add that all of those examples were fucked up by war (WW2, Korean War, Chinese Civil War) and they were all starting from roughly the same playing field.

>>36841485
>implying /pol/ infographics aren't spread like memes

>>36841457

LMAO is a bucket all you can afford, pleb? My helmet's curvature deflects arrows and other strikes, and I can raise my visor.

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>>36841457
>great helm
>REAL helm
Enjoy my mace through your skull, bucket head

THIS is the ideal helmet. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like

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>>36841401
It's a fucking meme you nutcase. Or am I just taking the bait right now?

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>>36841445
Well, I mean, we have a couple very short lived examples of it. However, strangely enough, whenever it's came about, porky always crushed it right away.

Almost like porky is, afraid, of something.

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>>36838292
all of this pseudo-intellectual political bickering is distracting from the true source of all problems - boomers fucking everything up forever

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>politics threads on 4chan
why do people even bother?

Even 9/10 threads on the actual designated politics board are about social commentary rather than actual economics.

>>36841673
If you've ever taken a university-level economics course, you might have quickly began to suspect it was pseudo-science. Ascribing mathematical equations to human behavior while completely disregarding culture and history (let alone genetics) is dishonest. That's why science and mathematics can come to hard truths and laws, while social sciences like politics and economics fragment into many different schools and factions, each claiming to be the "truth" or superior to all others.

>>36840228
What am I confusing? I first talked about the USSR and then about Soviet satelite states (Like Romania) which had it just as bad. Me presenting things in a simple way so everyone can understand doesn't make me American.

>>36841267
But under capitalism companies etc. are all interested to create more qualified workers. Even if you're poor, there are plenty of ways to get tuition in the western world. Just don't pick an useless af major that's there specifically to rip people off to (most social science majors) and you'll do fine.

>>36841092
>no, no, goy!
>the elite rich bankers who control the world aren't jewish!
>stop being so antisemetic
>no, I can't give a good reason why most banks and media companies are jewish

>>36838544
FUCK OFF

t. Venezuelan

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>>36842028
Companies are also interested in soaking up as much profit as they can, at the expense of their workers. They're also not interested in creating qualified workers in the third world.
Also
> Just don't pick an useless af major
This is the type of horse shit that will be done away with. Many people's passions and what they want to do with their lives fall in what you'd consider a "useless degree".

>>36842049
I don't care about the antisemitic meme or not. Just understand that porky isn't only Jewish. And you shouldn't hate him because he's Jewish, but because he's an exploitative fuck.

boo fucking hoo you can't use the board for autisti lonely kids as a recruiting ground for your right wing propaganda unchallenged anymore reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>36842542
>right wing
>not being a leftcom
Its like you don't want actual tetherless freedom.

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We need physical removal of all communists

>>36838678
Stalin did nothing wrong and the kulaks deserved it

>>36838544
comrade, don't defend Venezuela. 77% of it's property is private

>>36841280
What communis does and what is preaches are very diffrent things a lot of the time. No single state ever really achieved communism but we still call them communist. Saying that china isn't communist because they got a little bit more freedom in the regards of foreign investments and the likes is like saiying the USSR was never communist because they were ruled by a small elite in practise.

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Its not about the systems why their are Problems in the world, the problem is roasties try to stop us from inventing and improving sexrobots.

Just look up sexrobot videos on youtube and see the roasties go insane because they loose their only worth, their vagina, to a machine.

Sex Robots
> overpopulation stops
> cheaper land, because less persons
> more food for everyone, both systems work
> less rape
> women get not reduced for vagina
> only relationships because you like the person
> chad will not have to compete with us, he will be a friend
> only fathers because they want a family therfore more stable family
> less agressive males
> no social pressure to go partying and meet girls if you prefer to stay at home and play monopoly withy your robot friends in the basement

THIS IS THE QUESTION, the world is ruled by roasties, the enemy is Roastieism

>>36842693
Some countries literally had this. It's hard to achieve and keep your debt from rising but the USA spents so much on military and other things that they dont need to that they could easily achive many of bernies plans if the rich would cooperate. Unfortunatly your country is an oligarchy with a memedemocraty so all the money is pockedted by the rich and the people I lied to on a daily basis is such a manner they will support everything that keeps them down and hate their only chance at fa fair deal.

>>36843198
There will always be an elite who pockets money no matter the model or alignment. I always found dumb the assumption from some people that "my model wouldn't be like that!!"

Politicians are scum, every single one of them. We're just voting for who is going to fuck us in the ass to a lesser degree.

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>>36838292
go fuck yourself, tool

>>36838292
I am a NEET, and I support communism. Capitalism created the conditions of material affluence allowing my NEETdom, but times are changing, the system is under stress and its structural strength is faltering. Every day I fear more and more the the Jew's arrival to deliver me into wage-slavery. More importantly, I have a broader vision: A planned economy using advanced cybernetics could crush wasteful normie consumerism and focus on achieving full automation so NEETdom for all could be possible. I'm willing to temporarily sacrifice NEETdom and accept work under pro-labor communist conditions in pursuit of this dream.

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>>36838292
>no, I can't give a good reason why most banks and media companies are jewish
This man gets it

>>36839692
I do. but under any system of government I would be better off than everyone else, because i'm white.

but if everyone else was as well educated as me, then not only would i still prosper in comparison, but the most advanced medical sciences, technology etc. would be so much more advanced. So I would have a longer life, get to visit mars, etc.

In capitalism you can only prosper in comparison.

>>36838703
>>36838817

this is some high quality comedy

>>36838678
>Being this gullible

Solzhenitsyn was put in the gulag for Nazism and the people he borrowed accounts from to publish in the Gulag Archipelago denounced him for twisting their words.

Its filled with obviously fabricated stories like the famous bit about KGB officers killing the people to first stop clapping after a speech by Stalin.

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>>36844038
if you think that's funny, you should see pic related

>>36840820
>>36841445
University of Havana has a great medical program and Cuba has no shortage of first rate doctors.

It's almost like most people aren't shallow leeches like the capitalists, and all things equal people will contribute to society in ways they find meaningful.

>but who will take out the trash
If certain professions are so abhorrent that the only reason someone would do them is if the threat of not making rent keeps them from quitting, maybe that profession need to be reformed. For all the the technological advanced available to society, the fact that wast management isn't automated reveals how the cheap supply of labor keeps capitalists from inventing in technology that would ultimately benefit society.

>>36843025
> china isn't communist because they got a little bit more freedom in the regards of foreign investments
>Pretending it isn't because Deng Xiaoping betrayed Chairman Mao's glorious revolution
>Being this ignorant