Are you vegan /r9k/?

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>>36817637
I don't harm animals I just eat them.

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So is eating meat natural or not?

I'm not, no. I have considered going vegetarian, but I do wear leather and I'm not really committed enough to do all of the lifestyle alterations necessary to claim veganism.

>>36817637
>I like eating meat and dairy
>So I eat meat and dairy

There, your shitty meme image can go back in the folder now.

And no, I'm not.

I love animals. Both on my plate, as pets and out in the wild. Where are the mental gymnastics here?

>>36817727
husbands who love their wives don't eat them

>>36817701
humans are omnivores so we should actually be eating insects and berries

>>36817716
So you hate animals. Got it. How sad though.

>>36817727
You need to go cold turkey apparently.

>in the wild, animals kill other animals and eat them
>however they love their own animals and would not harm them

simple

>>36817737
A human being who loves you shouldn't be compared to some dumb animal with no self-awareness, though.

>>36817737
Yeah, I also don't fuck wild animals, so your comparison's a tad bit shit.

>>36817737
>implying implictations

>caring about animals that can't be used for companionship or labor
Also, I don't even eat meat

So why are there like three fucking threads shilling veganism?

By the way, I'm still eating a ham sandwich right now so you can suck me off

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I unironically feel indifferent toward animals. I was once dared to eat a porkchop while watching slaughterhouse footage. I polished the plate off.
Could be because I've never had a pet.

wild animals are to be eaten
domesticated animals are not to be eaten

there you go.

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>>36817637
>I care about animals so I avoid harming them
>dies at 55

This being said, they deserve a quick and painless death.

I love dogs because they are fluffy and cute and warm.

I love cows, pigs and chickens because they taste good.


What kind of aspie thinks if you love one animal as company you need to love them all?

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>I'm animal hitler because I eat dead animals
>they only got to be alive in the first place because people eat them

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>>36817637
ur stupid
a retard baby

>>36817845
>you can do whatever you want to an animal because it wouldn't be bred otherwise

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>>36817701
its not.in a biological sense we are plant eaters.

http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/natural.html

>>36817751
Your logic is flawed- I eat animals because I like eating them, not because I hate them, in fact I like them, because they keep me fed.

I love animals because they taste good and keep me fed.

I love animals.

I even have a Dog, and like to go birdwatching.
So not only do Animals provide me with food- they also provide me with entertainment.
Man animals are great.

Now fuck off you dumb communist.

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>>36817637
>I don't really care that much about animals

I hate gymnastics

The top bit should be 'I care about animals so I avoid harming them by eating them, but I still participate in a global society and want all the good stuff like everyone else so have reduced my total deathcount somewhat, although its still staggeringly high due to agriculture, mining, and the expansion of civisation in general. I'm also tacitly ok with the huge numbers of human slaves, many of them children, whose tireless efforts enable me to enjoy all the shiny distractions of consumer culture. Cruelty free!'

Yeah, not eating animals is the ethical high ground. But don't pretend like you're some fucking saint because you're not having chicken for dinner.

>>36817911
You dumb nigger, pre-historic man would have fucking died if he tried to survive without eating meat. Our natural environments absolutely require omnivorous diets and humans are absolutely omnivorous animals. Canine teeth, front facing hunter's eyes, digestive systems well capable of eating meat and so forth.

Non-vegans don't need mental gymnastics like vegans do. Sure, some don't admit it. But 99% of carnivores simply don't give a shit, it's as simple as that. If I had to kill animals to eat I would probably do it. I killed a dog and a cat before (health related) and it was easier than one would assume, growing up shelterd from such things.

>>36817957
have you tried reading the link before going apeshit?

>>36817911
>Pseudoscience chart from a vegetarian website
If we were herbivores, we'd be herbivores, but we're not, we're omnivores, because we eat meat and plants.
In fact, we eat Meat and stuff like bread and dairy like milk much more than we've ever eaten fruit and vegetables.
Fruit and vegetables have only become available to us in the past century or two because of colonialism.

Now fuck off.

>>36817965
No, I'm not going to read your shitty link. Humans are omnivorous and if you want to argue the opposite, make some fucking arguments on your own.

>>36817966
>colonialism invented growing things

>>36817637
Nah, I'm vegeterian.

>>36817701
Humans naturally prefer to consume cooked meat. You don't need to have a carnivorous dentition or short digestive tract to eat cooked meat.

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>>36817957
>>36817966

we burned innocent people alive thousands of years ago therefore we should do it today too

>>36817954
Well said. I would have also accepted

"Look at MEEE, I'm a vegan because I told my parents I'm not eating chicken today! Now let's go shopping for a pair of cute leather shoes!"

>>36817997
>agriculture is the natural state of man
Stop being dumb.

>>36817637
I don't care about animals

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If vegans really cared about animals the cute ones would induce lactation and make milk for me. When I bring it up they say that's weird so I will continue to enjoy my double cheeseburgers.

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>>36817993
i already made an argument +pic + link.
you are the one being super defensive here because your mind wants to reject reality because reality hurts.

>>36818009
Yeah, sure. We can start with you for making such shitty fallacies and using the "current year" meme.

>>36817954
epic strawman bro

I like meat and I love my dog. My dog would be pissed if I told him, "no more meat for you", just, beans and tofu.

>>36817966
>we've ever eaten fruit and vegetables.
Fruit and vegetables have only become available to us in the past century or two because of colonialism.
is this nigga fo real?

>>36817845
>get married to my wife
>have daughter and son
>raise them till puberty
>kill my son and sell his meat while keeping some in the fridge
>lock my daughter in the basement and routinely inspect her vagina to make sure she can give birth and produce milk yearly.
>"Why, daddy why?"
>because the world is hungry sweetie.

>>36818036

Eating is literally one of the few remaining joys in my life. Go fuck yourselves, vegans.

>>36818017
>18th century europeans have never heard of apples
Thats what youre trying to say

>>36818040
but your dog is actually a meat eater you retard.you can give him meat humans are the ones who shouldnt eat it.

>>36817911
>its not.in a biological sense we are plant eaters.
We've got no issues digesting meat, lack the large diastema found in most herbivores (which is also found in boars/pigs, which are omnivores), our canines are sharp unless you ate pavement, premolars are also sharp, while molars are rather flat.
If anything, we are omnivores.

>>36818050

>implying a random animal is as valuable as a human being who you care for

Animals are not all equally valuable.

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>>36818050
We don't get married to animals nigger, and I don't love animals enough to not eat them.

Get over it. Keep eating your greens and I'll keep eating pork, chicken, and all that.

>>36818064

Humans are omnivores as well.

Fuck your hocus pocus shit.

>>36818001

Have you never heard of steak, sushi, tartare, ham, and all the other delicious uncooked meats? As carnivores we prefer our meat to be made of animals.

>>36818028
No, you copied someone else's argument instead of making your own. The stuff on the image is fallacious at best. Humans lack natural weapons because we use tools. We have no need for large, biting mouths with huge teeth or sharp nails, because we can stick a rock on a stick and brutalize animals far bigger and stronger than us with it. Hell, compare humans to apes, who are definitely omnivorous, instead of comparing us to taxonomically very distant species like dogs or alligators.

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>>36818054
oh,im sorry.please forgive me for trying to take your joy away just because it takes millions of innocent animals to be prisoned,tortured and slaughtered for your little joy.im so sorry will you ever forgive me?

>>36818059
>18th century man lived in a natural, wild state
Uhhuh.

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>>36818113
>meat eaters are literally apes

>tfw farmer's boy
>tfw play with goat's kids for months up till the hour we slaughter them and then enjoy their delicious meat the next day

I never really felt wrong doing any of this.

>it's another "both sides are wrong and argue bullshit" episode

>>36818135
>fruits are a recent discovery
I still dont get it. Are you trying to say prehistoric humans didnt have access to fruits?

>>36818139
Yes, ooga boga where da red meat at?

yes

origor mortis

>>36818150
How's that post feeling inside your asshole, fencesitter beta bitch!

OK serious shit now. What is your favourite meat dish?

For me it goes like this:

>'murican bbq
>oven roasted meats
>braised meats
>meat pies
>stews

>>36818162
I am not the one who said
>colonialism invented growing things
Now, reading that again, did you not mean growing things, as in planting, growing them, but as "things that grow"?

i love it how meat eaters fight tooth and nail to defend their degenerate behaviour until they see this movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr6e_PUeHQM&list=PLv7whYPHSlwTVb06qz0XrrLikH40cGdhs

>>36818001
we cook meat mainly because of disease and parasites, which wild animals are full of, by the way.

>>36818077
>>36818078
You're right guys I shouldn't have judged you from the start.
I mean I'm an incestuous cannibal and I love eating my grandkids while drinking my daughters milk but I can thoroughly respect if you prefer animal products only.

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What do you gain from shilling veganism to r9k?

>>36818185
Why are you replying to me? I didnt post any of that. You seem confused. Eating some meat might help with that

>>36818194
Seen it, still don't care. I like eating meat so I will keep eating meat.

>>36817637
non-vegan non-mental gymastics: I don't care about animals so I eat them.

>>36817747
People joke/cringe about this but eating insects instead of other livestock would unironically benefit mankind and Earth as a whole with none of the detriments we currently have with mammal meat.

>>36818218
inb4 butthurt vegan crying a river on how you're a murderer

>>36818194
What am I supposed to feel when looking at this?

>>36817637
Being a vegan because you care about animals is the worst excuse.
At least be vegan for health reasons or because you think they're essential for the planet.
i.e. breeding lots of cows creates lots of methane which kills the ozone layer

>>36818201
I don't view cows as being my brothers and sisters.

It's interesting how vegans always fall back on this argument....Animals are not our relatives, they're animals. Their worth is less than that of a human. Period. It's not equal, and if you believe this, you're delusional.
Go frolic in the fields with your brothers and sisters if that's the argument you're going to use.

People will eat meat, no matter how many silly YouTube videos you post.

>>36818214
Follow the post chain, nigger. Either you made a mistake or are really fucking dumb.

>>36818201
That sounds nice. What do your grandkids taste like?

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life goes on, animals continue to get slaughtered whether i eat them or not desu senpai

>>36818218
There is an anti-rape video too. Meh. I like to rape so I will rape.

>>36818270
>eating animals is rape
hi tumblr

>>36818270
Yeah, go ahead. What kind of folks do you like raping? Women, men? Kids?

>>36818283
It's actually murder. That's on par and perhaps worse.

>>36818194

Do bitches like you not understand how fucking delicious meat is? There is no fucking way in hell that I will ever give it up. I don't give a fuck about animals that much.

Look humans are selfish.

Do you realise we do even worst shit? Like, instead of buying a $800 Laptop I could keep my old one and donate that money to a starving family in India who would manage to live a whole year with and be able to feed their children. But I don't, because I care more about myself than I care about starving and dying humans.

If I don't give a shit about other humans why the fuck would I give a shit about some random pig?

>>36818270
>raping human beings capable of thought is the same as killing useless sacks of shit and eating them

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>>36817637
>caring whether someone is a vegan or not

I really don't care if a lesser being "suffers"

be careful not to step on any bugs when you go outside faggit

>>36818344
>its ok to rape mentally ill people

what the fuck anon?

Why is it that everyone and their retarded dog come to /r9k/ to proselytize this cause?

Of all the fucking people on the internet you come to us, a bunch of losers who don't even care enough to wake up the next day. Do you think we are in the correct state of mind to give a shit about anyone else's problems?

Fuck you.

>>36818127

I might if you can type normally. Do you know what a shift key is, or is your phytoestrogenous diet leaving you too weak to operate a keyboard?

>>36817637
>and plants have feelings anyway
How do you argue against this, though?
Plants do "feel" and respond to stimulus. You could say they "suffer" in their own way when they get harvested. And all that just to end up in your stomach. Sad.

>>36818377
Mentally ill humans are still humans, some people with mental disabilities can still think, and even if they couldn't, they are part of the same race. A pig is fucking worthless to me and it tastes nice so I might as well eat it.

>>36817637
>Implying I give a fuck about animals
Some of them are cute but they're still just animals

>>36817637
>caring about animals
some animals eat other animals.

do you live in a house? you destroyed some animals habitat.

do you eat plants that have been treated with pesticides at one point, or have a natural pesticide? you poisoned the insects and small animals who may have come in contact with them.

do you own a computer?

caring about animals means you work at a shelter. do you work at a shelter? why do you think caring about animals is important? i care about furniture design a little bit, am i a hero?

>>36817737
>He doesn't eat his wife out.

>>36817637
Farming kills a lot of animals.

>>36818244
>animals aren't worth to me as much as my siblings are
>therefore it's okay to kill them!
How funny.

I don't find my neighbors worth that much to me either but I don't kill them.
And I care about Chinese even less and I don't kill them either how amazing is that?

>>36817765
It's a shame that the best post in this thread was completely passed over.

>>36818458
what's amazing is that you think eating = killing but using a computer is fine.

>>36818458
Your neighbours are still humans, though, and they contribute to society too, whereas animals don't.
>a le so fluffy and cute xDD

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>>36818458
It's astounding how my entire argument went over your head.


Animals are not not humans.

>>36818454

This. Farming involves converting animal habitats into farming land.

There is no way to avoid harming animals no matter what you do.

>>36817637
>I love animals
that's the flawed point though.
I do not "love" animals anymore I like a piece of art. They can be beautiful, they can be useful, they can even offer you companionship but at the end of the day animals are just food. Humans can get emotional and therefore some of them won't eat animals that can be pets (such as dogs) although I don't have those restrains.

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If chickens didn't want to be enslaved and bred for mass consumption they shouldn't have evolved to be so delicious lmao

you are like a little baby

watch this

>I don't care about animals

>>36818557
it's fun because every religion has it's "forbidden" animal such as pork for muslims or cows for hindis but no religion has ever forbid eating chicken.
Really makes you think...

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>>36818532
>>36818454
livestock farming takes up way more habitable land than agriculture farming

>>36818606
Every time they run the pickers through fields countless small animals get run over or ripped to pieces.

>>36817751
I don't think anything of animals.
I like how they taste though.

>>36818606
that would barely work, if the lights come from only the roof, only the top few plant's will get the light. If every layer had light, it would cost to much electricity. so that is a shit image

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>>36817637

I fix planes that spy on ISIS, I don't care if animals die.

>>36818668
>what are LEDs

dumbass detected

>>36818685
>Led's
https://www.uline.ca/Product/Detail/S-21731/Light-Bulbs/Forest-Lighting-Plastic-LED-Tubes-48-T8-Daylight?pricode=YA767&gadtype=pla&id=S-21731&gclid=Cj0KEQjw6LXIBRCUqIjXmdKBxZUBEiQA_f50PjwlUTxYEZc9kSt8vQ3f94B9rdNkz4JPsuhU3vl99fYaAnDx8P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds
Led tube lights cost way 561 cad, now each for one row, and look how many rows are in the picture? Yeah WAY TO MUCH MONEY, fucking dumbass

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>>36818685
wow og real g

>>36818107
Ham is typically cured before it is eaten, so it can't really be thought of as a raw meat. All the other edible raw meats are only possible due to preservation and gastronomical techniques that were unavailable to early human ancestors.

>>36818195
Human ancestors didn't have that in mind when they started cooking meat. It was was just a case of them preferring the taste of cooked meat over uncooked meat.

>>36818716
>>36818727
that isn't even an LED lol

look anon just admit you know nothing about hydroponics and let's call it a day

>>36818009
>witches
>innocent

>>36818484
>>36818506
Okay lads, I got your points. My siblings and my neighbour are humans contributing to society so I can't kill them.
You convinced me. Let's be friends go to africa like in the good old days and kill NIGGERS because what's wrong who cares lol they don't contribute to the world and people WERE actually doing it for centuries!
>inb4 some made up argument how this is suddenly wrong in today's age
>but for some reason but killing animals is always OK!

>>36818738
that is an led tube light... I was not saying all hydroponics is not possible, I was saying that image would not be possible

>>36818311
The legal term for murder is homicide. Homicide. It means to kill another Human.

>>36818034
That was you doing it actually.

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>>36817911
>lists herbivore traits next to humans like herbivores are a single species

Do vegans not believe in classification?

>>36818776
Fuck yes, now you're talking. Lets go kill nigger and build utopian, white societies in Africa. Hell, let's give East Africa to the Asians, as a gift.

>>36818776
Good, someone get's it. Like That makes sense, they waste to much money and contributing overpopulation

>>36818776
You're actually sort of right though. Think about this for a second:
>animals don't matter, but they can't help it - they're not humans, though
>retards are humans but they still don't matter since they can't help it
>niggers can help it but won't
Niggers and animals are the ones worth killing.

>>36817637
>implying i love animals
i'm not a pansy mate

>>36818777
http://images.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=hydroponics+LED

literally 2 seconds in google

as you can see hydroponics LEDS look nothing like what you posted

the initial cost of the equipment may be high but once the setup is running it uses very little electricity making it possibly very profitable in the long run

>>36818857
Shame we are talking about the picture, and not actual hydroponics. The picture shows florescent or regular leds. not the hydroponic ones

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>>36817770
really?
no one is going to hit this one?
I'm not even going to do it because I don't want to join any club that would have me, too easy, this is why I'm
>tfwnogf

>>36817765
Tgis, man vegitarians are a tad bit retarded.

>>36818776
>an animal is tasty
>a nigger is not
Niggers are literally less worth than animals

>>36818733

Putting fish on top of rice or cutting a ribeye out isn't exactly advanced stuff. So even if a human weren't a human they could still eat it. Humans are meant to eat raw and unraw meat. It's cool we evolved little curiosities and make games out of diets but that's all it is. Veganism is a fun little way to prove a person can get by without too many health problems by severely limiting their diet. I get it. I beat dessert treasure solo at level 74 before it was common to go at it low level. Not everyone is tickled the same way about arbitrary challenges like that. I think anal orgasms ace cool too, how do they ejaculate without touching their dick? It's neat, but not something I'm interested in doing myself. I keep it simple. I'm a meat eater so I eat meat. I a penis stimulation ejaculator so I stimulate my penis to ejaculation.

>>36818857
Second note, Are you implying it will every be profitable? All the workers, all the water, all the seeds. A lot of money. Also not a lot of people even buy vegetables anymore, as a cashier, they almost always buy canned shit, that comes from a 3rd world country. the workers would make the cost to expensiveness meaning it will fail to compete with the the cheaper options

Some kinds of love, the possibilities are endless;
and for me to miss one, well, it seems to be groundless

>>36818716

I've grown plants with fluorescent lights over winter. They weren't happy but I was just trying to keep them alive until spring when they go back on the porch. Vertical agriculture techniques like that show a lot of promise for small costly plants like herbs. First person to figure it out and market on an industrial scale will be rich. There's already a guy making a killing off of greenhouse herbs and greens. It's so easy the hard part is marketing and distribution. Farmers don't care because they get fat subsidies and don't have to worry about profits.

>>36819007
Like the idea of somebody needing to figure it out, until then thou no arrangement can be made with out the"if" so let's wait and see

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>>36818892
Ah man, I totally missed that.
I think these vegans aren't from around here, going by their total lack of awareness.

>>36819007
artificial lights aren't going to compete with the sun for growing plants, mate

>>36818946
>Are you implying it will every be profitable? All the workers, all the water, all the seeds. A lot of money

Regular farming needs all of that shit too, plus huge amounts of land

As I already said, hydroponics has a high INITIAL cost in the form of capital. Once the setup is running though it needs very little resources, maintenance and labor to keep it going. For investors this is very lucrative.

You are naive if you think that it cannot be profitable. Science has always found ways to make things more efficient for us. Even now in Japan they make huge amounts of lettuce in indoor hydroponics farms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1QXCnC-2h4

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>>36818807
>>36818809
>>36818820
>>36818924
You can always count on 4chan to save the planet from niggers. Never change guys.

>>36819076
Workers in 3rd world shitholes get paid like a cent

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You are killing more animals than you were before.
Theres a whole lot more into the process but the main issue is you eat more square acres to survive than the equivalent meat would have eaten to survive to give you the same level of calories. This means you're being vastly less efficient which means more acres of greens need to be made just for you. This means tilling the fields, pesticides, possibly anti-insect gmo style plants and clearing areas for more fields if that lifestyle catches on otherwise we couldn't grow enough food, cheaper labor being need.
All of that kills animals like field mice, rabbits, foxes, deer, pheasants, basically everything you'd find living off the land in your average farm and the fish that get the runoff. Then more cause those cheaper paid laborers cannot afford your lifestyle and support themselves so they're now also eating cheaper to buy beef.

Tl;dr veganism is for assholes

animals are against people, i don't care for them and neither should anyone

>>36819076
also shame no one will buy most of those vegetables, due to how very little buy fresh produce now

>>36818924
Well how do you know that? You ever eaten a nigger before? All that watermelon and chicken they eat has got to give them some kind of taste.

>>36817911
>herbivores have eyes on the sides
>carnivores have them in front
guess where humans have their eyes?

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>>36817637
No. Because not a single bite of food reaches our mouths that has not involved the killing of animals. By some estimates, at least 300 animals per acre including mice, rats, moles, groundhogs and birds are killed for the production of vegetable and grain foods, often in gruesome ways. Only one animal per acre is killed for the production of grass-fed beef and no animal is killed for the production of grass-fed milk until the end of the life of the dairy cow.

99% of vegetarians/vegans are fulfilling a selfish desire to feel good about themselves.

By not eating meat they feel a sense of validation about doing right morally.

They disregard evidence about the importance of animal proteins in the history of human evolution.

They pretend to occupy moral high ground and then preach to others from perceived superiority. But when faced with a true starvation situation they will eat meat. The fact of life is that we are animals.

Life consumes life. There is no biological classification of life which is superior to any other. Only the human brain creates such abstractions and only the human brain requires validation through abstraction.

>>36819104
source: your bottom

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>Watching Vegans get destroyed in any argument because they need to make a point past "I don't want to harm animals/it's a healthier diet"

Jesus christ.

>>36817911
Some even go as far as denying science.

This type of science denying is almost flat-earth tier.

>>36818395
Very good post. Genuinely. Thank you, anon.

>>36817637
You wouldn't happen to be posting on a computer, would you anon?

A computer that was manufactured using child labour? I guess that makes you just as awful as anybody else. Perhaps worse because you seem to care about the plight of animals over the livelihood of children of your fellow man.

>>36818405
This so fucking much. Life is a cycle of growth through consumption, and death, providing material to be consumed. No matter what you eat, you're killing other forms of life. Meat eaters say that animals are less valuable than humans because they lack complex thoughts. Vegans have decided (equally as arbitrarily) that no, it's actually plants that have the RIGHT level of the lack of complex thought. Come the fuck on.

>>36819043

Plenty of arrangements can be made, that's a majority of the figuring out part. The fact I half assed it and saw growth is more than proof of concept. If I were serious I'd do a simple ebb and flow with some pretty little tubes under t5ho fluorescent lamps. I'm behind on trends but whatever is hot for kitchens now. A $300 kit would probably sell nicely on Kickstartec to the more affluent hippies. Kind of like those automated countertop sprouts systems you used to see. On large scale I'd go with LED, but it's been so long since I looked at them I don't know where to start. Aluminum frames could make the whole thing a heatsink and custom fabrication isn't hard to order, it's just that one part as the rest can buy standard tubing and bolts. Wire it up and you're good to go. I think plastic is more aesthetic and futuristic so I'd try to use it for most of the frame instead of expensive aluminum. The ventilation system would be enough to carry heat away.

>I am vegan
>I do it for myself
>I don't want to be complicit in mass murder/rape etc
>I'm not claiming to be 100% cruelty free
>It's almost impossible to be 100% cruelty free
>I'm not preachy
>I don't chastise my meat eating friends
>I do it for my own well being and my own conscience

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>>36819160
>the scientific source you posted is wrong because I said so!
>f-f-flat earth!!
Lel okay, meatcuck.

>>36819154
Can I get some fucking sauce on that m8? I need to know if that bit about the 300 animals per acre is true.

>>36819198
>providing employment to poor people is bad

>>36819228
Good for you. Now if you'd only learn to stop mentioning it like "I'm a girl btw", you'd be peachy.

>>36819068

Real lights already compete with sunlight and outperforms in many ways. Ever tried growing at night during a blizzard or under the sea? Sunlight doesn't do so well in those conditions.

>>36819244
>contributing to child slave labour is bad
FTFY
How is it not?

>>36819236
https://wiki.tfes.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions
This is a legitimate source and not biased at all, it's scientific because I said so.

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>>36819236
They just never learn.

A 5 second google search clearly shows vegans and vegetarians live longer, but obviously the carnitard isn't capable of google.

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Vegans are fucking retarded.

>>36819274
Its not slave labour

>>36819266
>Real lights already compete with sunlight and outperforms in many ways.
not were it matters: cost

>>36817701
natural != good

this is genuinely the most fucking stupid shit ever. go live in a fucking cave without running water, internet or heating if you want "natural" you log of shit

>>36818229
Well my grandparentts ate crickets? Or grasshoppers a few times.
They also ate a snake? And a rat?
They lived healthy lives.

>>36819236
The source is wrong because it's making inaccurate comparisons based on diets, instead of taxonomy and it's not even doing it accurately. It completely ignores stuff like predatory species having front facing eyes and herbivores on the sides, so they can see threats around them and it claims carnivores all have big jaws and natural weapons, while humans don't. It's got nothing to do with our diet, but with our evolved abilities to use tools, instead of our bodies. Just the fact that I can point this shit out with high school biology education goes to show how untrustworthy and low quality that chart and site is.

>>36819236

You're the meatcuck. People with normal diets can eat all the meat they want. Vegays are cucked out of enjoying good food because they want to impress some fat hairy tumblrina by what they put in their mouths.

>>36819323
Yeah crickets are very good for you, the ideal world would have them and other insects farmed.

>vegans
>almost exclusively white western and wealthy
>meat eaters
>vast majority are low IQ shitskins

Really makes you think

>>36819333
http://www.nhs.uk/news/2013/06June/Pages/Vegetarian-diet-linked-to-longer-lifespan.aspx

first (non biased) result on google uk.

dumb carnicuck

I'm not a vegan, but every time people try to argue against them they pull out ridiculous arguments that don't make sense.
>you can't stop animals from being killed so you should eat them instead of trying to stop it
>it's impossible for the world to be "cruelty free" so you might as well pitch in
>you still participate in [some other aspect of society] so you're a hypocrite :^)
etc.

>>36819298

Not true. Let's use lettuce and money as everyone is familiar with them. Comparing yields from lettuce grown under light in conditions where sunlight cannot reach it to lettuce grown without light the profit is much higher, which offsets the money saved by letting the plants die. Space is a more difficult one to understand but again, non-sun light is delivered in greater amounts allowing for more efficient use of space. Say we have a 10m length and width plot. Using sunlight you may be able to get two or three planes. With non sunlight you could achieve over 100 planes to grow lettuce on giving higher yields.

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>>36819244
>providing employment to livestock is bad

>>36819402
Oh wow, I eat worse and I'll get to stay longer in this shithole if I for some inexplicable reason don't hang myself before I'm 40.

>>36819468
>murdering people is providing employment

>>36819402
>nhs
Kek, so much for unbiased. I can link aids to eating toast, it doesn't mean anything.

>>36819499
>the national health service of England is obviously biased

what

>>36819489

Murder is why we have so many employed in justice and law enforcement. I don't think anyone is advocating murder though.

>>36819499

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/526S.long

2nd one

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>>36819489
>"""employment" isn't spiritual slaughter

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>>36819277
>>36819324
>>36819333
>all these triggered carnicucks
Top lel. Ever wondered why you are a manlet?

It is because eating meat is not a substitute for eating your vegetables.

>>36819324
>forward facing eyes
Humans are the exception, not the rule.

>>36819514
Does that surprise you? If so you are very naive. The FDA of the US is no better. It's hard enough to remove bias when trying to. It's impossible when they are trying to be biased.

>>36819537
>humans are the exception
Then none of the other shit applies to us either. Way to discredit your own bullshit argument.

>>36819574
Not him, but why the fuck would the NHS of all places be biased? makes absolutely no sense, if it was unhealthy they'd say so they have to pay less in healthcare

>>36819574
>article clearly goes into detail about a peer reviewed study on vegetarian diets
>nuh uh was by the nhs so is stupid

>>36817637
You do understand that cows, pigs and other livestock are literally bred to be meat and provide other products consumed by humans (like milk), right?

If everyone was vegan, they wouldn't be alive anymore and thus you effectively killed the species off.

>>36819616
By this logic slavery was ok because the slave owners would breed more slaves

I always love the idea of fat fuck R9K users criticising other peoples eating habits.

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>>36817637

I care about plants so I avoid harming them.

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>>36819602

That isn't how exception to the rule works.
For one the source provided SEVERAL points supporting the hypothesis of humans being designed to be herbivores.

You provided just the ONE counterpoint. Which means exception to the rule doesn't apply in your case, as there is too much contradicting evidence.

Try harder, meatmuncher.

Non-vegan
>I consider humans more special than other beings
Vegan
>I consider all animal life to be special, but fuck plants, these living organisms serve nothing but my appetite!
Starving person
>All life is precious senpai *dies*

>I love animals

I don't

>>36819680
>its the "plants are the same as animals" argument

>>36819649
Edgy pol memes aside, those are humans and can provide for themselves given the right circumstances.

Livestock are human-dependent for survival. And who the fuck is going to put up the money to take care of a 500 pound brain-dead cow if they're not going to eventually make money off it in the long-run?

Sorry veg-cuck, but welcome to reality. Cows, chickens and the like aren't pets. They're livestock and they're purpose in life is to be food. Sucks for them, hopefully in the next life they get a better position.

>>36819715
>can care for thousands of complex animals across reservations and zoos
>can't have a few cows graze some grass a bit

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>>36819710
>its the "plants are the same as animals" argument

You know the meat eaters have lost the argument when they have to resort to that one. It's kinda sad really.

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>>36819649
this argument is either solely one against his argument, or it's a pro-slavery argument.
either way there isn't anything supporting abstinence from the consumption of animals

>>36819710
I did not say that, bitchboi. But you can't just draw an arbirtary line because muh nervous system to virtue signal to your facebook friends while happily extinguishing all plant life

>>36819710
>it's the "humans are morally responsible" argument

>>36819710
if you think there is little difference between humans and animals, and you extend your empathy to animals, then you have literally no logical reason to draw the line between plants and animals.

>>36819749
>>36819775
>>36819787

its not an arbitrary line, animals are capable of emotions, they form relationships, they can have lifelong friendships just like humans . The same obviously doesn't apply to plants.

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>>36819710
It's an opt-out argument, the kind of argument people make when they can't or don't want to stop arguing but don't have anything substantial to say. He's obviously not interested either convincing you or being convinced, he's only in it for the (You). You're better off just ignoring people like that.

Not a vegan or even a vegetarian btw.

>>36819803
Oh, so you're one of these retards who think animals feel sad because they make sad eyes when sad stuff happens to them.
Newsflash: your dog doesn't give a fuck about you.

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>>36819803
>its the "humans are still morally responsible" argument

>>36819861
Theirs literally countless research out there about the emotional intelligence of animals. Educate yourself.

>>36819735
>Farms are free
>People will be able to afford farms large enough to keep cows and maintain cows on without revenues coming in from milk and meat sales.

I know you're a hippie who never worked a day in his life, but even so, you shouldn't be this dumb.

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>>36817637
If you are pro-life then how can you possibly support killing animals for food?

Yup. 7 years and counting.

If anybody knows where I can find a pot-smoking vegan hippie wife with a pixie cut who loves guns and isn't a feminazi, let me know.

>>36819882
So how come other animals that don't produce milk and meat are able to survive across zoos and reservations?

I believe humans have a duty to dominate non human animals, and eating meat accomplishes this goal. A vegetarian society would require violent animal sacrifices to remain socially healthy, and that would be unpleasant.

>>36817637
>Are you vegan /r9k/?
Yeah

>>36819529

That was a pretty interesting read and raises a good question. It would be hard to perform a good experiment but it's a good review considering how they selected the studies. I'd like to see tighter inclusion criteria for subjects in future studies, especially as far as health consciousness and food preparation goes, but I'm satisfied with their findings. I'm not going to give up meat but I think we can find ways to get life expectancy equal to or surpassing that of vegetarians without much difficulty. They highlighted a few things worth exploring further to reduce risks in meat eater diets. I especially found the part about substituting foods with protective properties for meat. I know I don't eat much of the foods mentioned so it could be worth adding in.

>>36819537

Bitch I'm 6'3. Not that it means anything though, I've always had a normal diet. How do you think a vegan diet would lead to greater adult height?

>>36819610

Because it's the NHS. They aren't interested in knowledge for the sake of knowledge, though I'll admit I saw the url and didn't even bother to read it. It might be good, but I'm suspicious because of it being tied with NHS. Anything government is always going to be shitty because of da j00s or something like that. Bad shit is supported while actually good stuff is suppressed, just like in my home country USA.

>>36819612

Pretty much. Real science is still biased way too often but at least it's not advertised as such. Why couldn't it be in a real journal if it's so great?

>>36818020
>If vegans really cared about animals the cute ones would induce lactation and make milk for me. When I bring it up they say that's weird so I will continue to enjoy my double cheeseburgers.

You can milk me if you want

>>36819921
>The study was carried out by researchers from Loma Linda University, California and was funded by the US National Cancer Institute and National Institute of Food and Agriculture. It was published in the peer-reviewed journal, JAMA Internal Medicine.

Anon, actually try reading the article next time

>>36819909
Cause they're exotic, you retard. People are willing to pay to see things like tigers, lions, bears, elephants and rhinos. They're majestic.

No one's paying to see some low-functioning cow or chicken.

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Why aren't vegans up in arms against animal-on-animal cruelty?
Look at this disgusting behavior, this lion should be jailed

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>>36819921
>I don't need to read peer reviewed scientific papers to know they're wrong because they disagreed with me!
You sound like somebody's crystal-owning aunt who does weekly "juice cleanses" on Facebook.

>>36819992
>Why aren't vegans up in arms against animal-on-animal cruelty?
>Look at this disgusting behavior, this lion should be jailed

You don't seem to understand the point of veganism

Instead of lambasting some strawman garbage argument why not do your research instead

There ARE legitimate arguments that can be made against veganism. That isn't one of them

>>36819958
There are also wildlife sanctuaries, nature reservations etc which are funded by governments and charities etc I believe in these things so I don't really see my position as contradictory desu

>>36819803
Not everyone has the pathological drive to give life some value. It's a rather arrogant position if you ask me.

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>>36817637
Are all vegan fags like this?

I got no problem with people eating meat but it's pathetic to see people who would never ever have the stomach or the heart to slaughter an animal happily buying and eating plastic-wrapped cuts like the little consumer monkeys they are. Then they have the guts to talk shit about vegetarians and vegans...

>>36819316
this. "natural" or not is a grey line anyway. Plastic, nuclear bombs, furries and fags are all "natural" in that they naturally came about as byproducts of human civilization and culture, which are themselves products of natural selection.

>>36819333
I eat all the meat I want, too, it's just once a month instead of twice a day.

>>36820018
Maybe, but most of those also get a lot of their funding by private tours.

Also, you're talking small scale. The vast majority of live stock are alive to be food. If everyone becomes vegan, you're talking about millions upon millions upon millions of animals which will need new homes. Much more than the current sanctuaries can take in or the government will be able to fund a home for.

Very few are going to be lining up to adopt an expensive animal that can't control when it poops.

>>36820017
The point of veganism is messiah complex. It's a pathetic ideology for pathetic people.

>>36820176
I agree. Slaughtering animals should be part of our elementary school curriculum, and veganism should be outlawed.

>>36820176
do you have a problem with people who use the internet but wouldn't maintain a network of servers?

>>36819948

Its not weiner milk is it? I only like the boob juice.

>>36819956

I just said I didn't even follow the link.

>>36820003

Peer review has shown that placebo is good shit. I believe crystals actually help people who believe crystals help them. Peer reviewed research is very helpful in determining if something is right or wrong though. I don't need to read in to find out, but it sure saves a lot of time compared to running a study myself.

>>36820176
I work in the hospital and this always pisses me off. How the fuck is a heroin addict covered in track marks afraid of needles? A 22ga catheter isn't that much worse than a 28ga skin needle and it's going in the exact same place. It's sterilized by radiation instead of lysol or whatever junkies use so if anything they should be less afraid.

>>36817637
Yes I am, but I'm so fucking tired of hearing people's generic arguments against it so I'm not even gonna join ITT. just gonna leave this here.

I am a herbivore and there's nothin pussy about having empathy. It's part of civilisations advancement

>>36820373
Slin needle, not skin. You get the point though.

>>36820176
>it's pathetic to see people who would never ever have the stomach or the heart to slaughter an animal happily buying and eating plastic-wrapped cuts

>eating vegetables you didn't grow in your own garden? pathetic
>wow, sitting on chair that you didn't build from scratch with wood from a tree you personally felled? fucking pathetic lmao
>get a load of this pathetic asshole with his non-homemade clothes, he doesn't have the stomach or the heart to make his own

>>36817637
>I'm a human
>I care about humans
>animals are my food period
Phew, that was easily

>>36817637
Im also a fat fuck and a vegan, just made a Stromboli last night with home made pomodoro sauce, aged cashew milk mozzarella, smoked seitan pepperoni and tofutti ricotta. Fresh garlic and basil . Shit was 10/10

>>36820217
>If everyone becomes vegan, you're talking about millions upon millions upon millions of animals which will need new homes.
I don't think any sane person believes this is going to happen overnight or even ever. I don't expect anyone else to stop eating meat, but I would rather tug towards a world without fucked up industrial scale production of animals than support it. I'm simply voting with my wallet. If everyone else jumps on board, sure, great, whatever. If not, oh well. At least I won't die of heart disease like all of my ancestors.

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How do I become a vegan/vegetarian? How am I supposed to maintain a healthy diet with appropriate nutrients etc.?

It makes sense though, if we're at a point in time where we no longer need to kill animals to survive then we should stop. I'm just not sure how to stop and maintain a diet that I'm satisfied with.

No because I'm not a pussy that cares about other species like you, OP.

>>36820253
>people should be forced to do something they do not want to do and we should add another useless class to the bloated pointless curriculum.

Meatheads confirmed for commies

>>36819104
With the amount of food and water required to feed an animal to produce a pound of meat, you could feed a human for at least a few days.

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>>36818478
The vegan mongol passes by arguments he can't reply to by just being retarded

>appeal to humanity
every fucking time
EVERY fucking time.
No, animals are not human.
And they sure as hell aren't kind to each other in the wild, so why the fuck do we have some moral obligation to be nice to them and protect them? They'd eat us just as soon as we eat them should the opportunity present itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so6LSuM3BhI

https://youtu.be/pEguuASirDg

This shitty adult puppet show already when over this.

>>36820485

Don't we already take Home Ec? I was homeschooled so I don't know what the normies actually study, they're all fucking retarded so it can't be anything useful. Knowing how to clean and cook and animal is a useful skill though. I still remember my ghetto ass biology lesson using venison though. After we drained it I identified a few organs before we got it ready for dry aging. It made for some damn good jerky and sausage. Rabbit is a lot easier to clean though. I think it could be feasible for small scale farming. Even suburbs have room for a small rabbit cage. Keep a couple breeding pairs and then harvest once they are fryer size. It's probably safer too. After colunteering at a sporting clay event and chewing attendants out all day I realize city and suburban people shouldn't be allowed to play with guns. They can't even follow the simplest rules. One little shit directly disobeyed me when I told him to unload and place his gun down with chamber open while I reload the trap. I turn around and he picked it up and was looking at something while I'm downrange. Little shit got kicked out and wasn't allowed to come back the next day. Even as dumb as he was I could still trust him to kill a rabbit by cervical dislocation.

>>36820410
>I'm white
>I care about fellow white people
>niggers are animals period
Haha love this!

>meateater
You want to go vegan? Cool for you! Enjoy your lifestyle. I know I could not do it.

>vegan
WAHHHHH EVERYONE SHOULD ADOPT MY SAME IDEOLOGY! I DON'T CARE IF YOU AGREE OR NOT!!!

Veganism is one of the most normie ideologies in the world.

A real robot has very few empathy for other humans let alone animals.

Normies need to leave this fucking board.

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>F3
>"Bait"
>0 Results.

I don't get it, you guys like you not eating meat is going to un-kill the animals

>>36820841
Yeah because the meat eaters in this thread are definitely doing that

Be honest, have you ever met a vegan irl? I guarantee maybe 0.01% of vegans act the way you think they do

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>>36817637
>I care about animals so I avoid harming them
Yeah, I'm sure vegans don't harm rats and cockroaches that get into their houses.

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Humans are the apex predator. We can kill animals as much as we want, however we want. Nothing will change that.
We will call vegans faggots if they start trying to impose their shit on us.

You know who else's personality revolves around what they put in their mouth? Fags.

>>36820859
oh boy look at this guy over here

>>36820863
Most of the vegans I know are like that. I'm one of three who understand it is a lifetyle choice you cannot firce upon people. The only meat eaters that have made fun of me or other vegans have been very few, and coincidentally been morbidly obese.

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>>36820863
i lived in a college town

they ALL acted the way i think they do.

>>36820906

I actually knew a guy who took it to that extreme. He claims he doesn't even swat mosquitoes when they bite him. He just blows on them. He might have just been virtue signalling though, he was the kind to do that.

>>36820435
>I don't think any sane person believes this is going to happen overnight or even ever.
And in that case, meat/milk farms will eventually stop breeding the animals. So the animals who would have been killed just won't be born. Congrats, vegans, the net effect of your efforts is zero. Feel proud.

>I'm simply voting with my wallet.
Okay. So am I. In fact, that reminds me. I gotta go to the store today and pick up some nice chicken breasts and steaks and precook some dinners for myself this week.

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>>36819402
Riddle me this, you retard: why on earth would I cut things I enjoy out of my life, just to live longer? Are you implying that a long life would be better than a happy one? Cause if so, you clearly haven't put too much thinking into this, which honestly doesn't surprise me at all.

>>36820859
>>36820859
>>36820859
>>36820859
>>36820859
>>36820859
Fucking this, you retard vegans are literally accomplishing nothing

>>36817637
How is "I only eat certain animals" mental gymnastics?

>>36817637
>trying to justify your actions towards others
top pleb m8

>>36817637
I don't give a fuck about other people or animals that aren't my relatives, friends, or pets.

>>36817637

It looks like the non-vegan did much better. Even kids can do a cartwheel.

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>>36820859
best post in this thread

vegans BTFO

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>>36819710
>It's the "animals are same as humans" argument

its getting hard to be a vegan. my family always cook and barbeque meat and its always tempting and its hard to resist. i went around 2 weeks without eating meat then i lost it and just horded 3 chilidogs, a full plates of steak, a grilled weenie, and a chicken sandwich. how can i stop?

also my family doesnt know i want to stop eating meat, and they'll make fun of and most likely mock me if i tell them

>>36821125
Your family is right, stop being a fag.

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>>36821125
You can't stop, you can only just not eat meat for so long that your body has difficulty digesting meat and you get horribly ill from eating it.

You're a human and you're wired to want meat. You can train yourself to resist it like pic related, but all you'll be doing is lying to yourself.

>>36820859
>baiting this hard
it's the meat making you this stupid, right?

>>36819803
Humans have self-conciousness and higher cognitive functions.
The same obviously doesn't apply to animals.
Some pirimates and similar come close to them, but we are talking about livestock.

>>36820826
(1 AND 1) -> 1
Simple propositional calculus

>>36820176
Did you personally enslave the 3rd world childrens for the computer you are using?