Who else /fascist/ here? Fashbots are genuine. Fashbots are

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SEIZING THIS THREAD

Real robots wouldn't survive in a fascist society.

Antisocials got sterilized so they couldn't pass their "bad behavior genes" to the gene pool.

>>36758622
You can't even seize control of your own life.

>>36758644
>>36758673
Hi, commie. Bye commie

>>36758644
honestly this
we'd just get purged for being undesirables

>>36758610
NEETs would be gassed in a fascist society, you stupid faggot

>>36758721
>woe is me WOE IS MEEEEEEEE

>>36758686
The only things fascists had going for them is sick tunez.

https://youtu.be/JgM4auRw2Tc

This is an example of Jewish fascists who wanted to ally to the nazis. Crazy shit.

>>36758769
>Lehi
RARE

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I'm fascist.
I'm pretty weak and have poor social skills, but unlike leftists I recognize it's not good and I'm working on it.
>>36758644
>>36758673
>>36758741
We wouldn't be robots if we were born in a fascist society. We're fucked up because we weren't raised right and were exposed to the internet.

>>36758644
Not true. A fascist society would give you the chance to become a chad

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>>36758791
"Robot" is socially constructed by capitalist society.

Under communism there would be no robots or normies, only comrades.

>>36758791
>>36758833
Keep blaming your personal failures on society, anon, you'll go far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y3b7uarL7c

I'll keep posting fascie tunez though.

>>36758849
>"Robot" is socially constructed by capitalist society.
This is true.

>Under communism there would be no robots or normies, only comrades.
>we should all be equally poor and equally enslaved by an inner circle of numale liberal candyasses

What do you like about fascism?

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>>36758741
>Implying half the Nazi leadership wasn't robots

>>36758894
No man is an island, bitch.

society and upbringing has a big impact on the person you become and you know it. Fuck off.

>>36758610
"True robots" wouldn't have the emotional drive to pursue any political movements.

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>>36758935
originally original originality this has to be orignal

>>36758958
>no true scotsman
God I hate kikes.

>>36758952
You're not asking to be a man, you're asking to be a child without drive.

You're saying you can't cut it in the world and so you want a mystical "societal order" to come and fix your problems without you having to do anything.

Pick yourself up from the hole you dug yourself into, only when you take responsibility for your actions will you start to act and start to improve your life.

https://youtu.be/Eps-4alpQaw

Axis-aligned indian rebels.

>>36758610
Go back to twitter.es and keep RT the retarded crew from HSM

>>36758928
Well it's true. Robotdom is caused by the antagonism and competition among proles that's cultivated by capitalist society. In a society that rids itself of the capitalist economic system so too can it rid itself of the cultural indoctrination that comes with it.

>>36758975
So a bunch of fuzzwords by a faggot who killed himself and got his country literally raped by the Soviets is all you like about fascism? You must be very intelligent.

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Friendly reminder to my fellow robots:
Never, and I mean NEVER, fall for the lies of anyone that tries to sell you fascism as some "ticket out" of NEETdom. You would be just as hated in a fascist society, but they would have the right and ability to literally purge you. Do not fall for the tricks. They would use you to get into power and then laugh as they threw you into a camp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_triangle_(badge)

>>36758894
>Keep blaming your personal failures on society, anon, you'll go far.
Like, I said, I'm improving myself. It's just fact that robots (people with serious social skills problems) were far far fewer in the past because people were raised in a healthy society.

>>36758935
That more than a political ideology, it's a conception of life. The constant drive for self-improvement. You overcome your weaknesses and since you are part of the nation and it is part of you, you are helping your countrymen by helping yourself.

Being part of a society that doesn't reject you. A society where being an asocial NEET isn't a better option than being part of it because you'll get fucked harder for trying. Fascism is that ideal.

>>36758610
>>36759120
Fuck off, Norway.

>>36758610
I hope no one is. Fascism has proven itself economically and politically unsustainable. A system cannot serve the common good, no matter how idealistic it may be, if it does not function as advertised in the real world. Communism is guilty of this too but there are still Communist states in the world. There are no fascist states left. Even Spain shed fascism after a few decades because it just really didn't work out.

tl;dr it doesn't matter if fascism is bad or good; it just doesn't work in the long run

>>36759120
All you said has little to nothing to do with fascism. All you did is throw around buzzwords that could well apply under any other socioeconomic system. Do you actually know something about fascism or do you like it because you enjoy being edgy and contrarian?

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Reminder that fascism is literally a Chad normie ideology. Hitler was a babe magnet and SS dudes got tons of girls in France (and raped a ton more in Poland). The average robot would get put in a camp.
>inb4 "b-but Adolf would make me a Chad and save me a pure virgin waifu"
Wrong. At best, 5% of women were virgins at the time of their marriage in Nazi Germany. Over 900 teen girls got pregnant at a youth rally in the 1930s. Robots would get beaten up by Nazi Chads and then thrown in a camp. Vlad (Russian Chad) might liberate you and hopefully kill all the Chads who bullied you, because communism is the true robot ideology. Non-normies like Dziga Vertov were at least given space to be themselves.

>>36758928
>we should all be equally poor and equally enslaved by an inner circle of numale liberal candyasses
>bureaucratic states are communism

>>36759193
>>36759167
Literal propaganda and psyops
Cultural Marxist and the Bolshevik jew are out in full force.

>>36759202
>falls for the starving Soviets meme
You stupid trotskysts should be shot in the head along with the fascists idiots.

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>>36759191
>All you said has little to nothing to do with fascism

Here then, let the founder of fascism, Benito Mussolini vouch for me.

"Like every sound political conception, Fascism is both practice and thought; action in which a doctrine is immanent, and a doctrine which, arising out of a given system of historical forces, remains embedded in them and works there from within. . . . There is no concept of the State which is not fundamentally a concept of life; philosophy or intuition, a system of ideas which develops logically or is gathered up into a vision or into a faith, but which is always, at least virtually, an organic conception of the world."

>>36759262
I wonder if Mussolini had any investment in making fascism look awesome. His word salad marketing doesn't make the system any more valid in practice.

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>>36758610
Fashbot-/pol/bot reporting in.

>>36759193
>Hitler was a babe magnet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefanie_Rabatsch
>Stefanie was born into a family of high social status. Hitler fell in love with her after she passed by him during her daily daughter-mother stroll in Linz, glancing at him. Although madly in love with her to the point of suicide, Hitler never once spoke with her, and she later married an Austrian army officer. August Kubizek, a close childhood friend and later biographer of his childhood experience with Hitler, wrote about Hitler's passion for her in his book, Adolf Hitler, My Childhood Friend. Stefanie stated in interviews that she was unaware of Hitler's feelings towards her, and little is known about her life.

ww2 was pretty much the original beta uprising

>>36759262
OK, those are nice words, like everyone on every side of the political spectrum says. Now, do you actually know something about fascism as it was implemented in real life or all you do is jerk off to Hitler and Mussolini's words? You can't be seriously this dumb.

>>36759262
That also says nothing, it's just a bunch of inspiring rhetoric, there's no actual meaning behind it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJO8xIySsEM

>>36759297
>His word salad
Read more books.

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>>36758610
I am Fash.

>>36758942
This.

>>36759100
Those were mentally disabled individuals. Not merely robots.

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I am a fascist through and through

>>36759349
No, you should learn to critically read. Read again and tell me what this line
>Like every sound political conception, Fascism is both practice and thought; action in which a doctrine is immanent, and a doctrine which, arising out of a given system of historical forces, remains embedded in them and works there from within. . . . There is no concept of the State which is not fundamentally a concept of life; philosophy or intuition, a system of ideas which develops logically or is gathered up into a vision or into a faith, but which is always, at least virtually, an organic conception of the world.
tells you about fascism as opposed to any other political ideology? It's meaningless, trite; it sounds good but it's superficial.

>>36759369
>Those were mentally disabled individuals. Not merely robots.
Are you implying that robots aren't often mentally ill or disabled in some way? Are you serious? It even included
>the homeless
>alcoholics
>the work-shy
>pacifists
Are you implying that these traits aren't broad enough to catch robots?

>>36759395
K
>tldr

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>>36759193
this, just look at chadly chad in pic related. nazis were all chads and dont represent us

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>>36759434
Of course they are, what's your point? It's not like robots were just thrown in camps for being robots.
Goebbels was a huge robot.

>>36759477
Goebbels was awkward, but he was good at his job and good at politics; he was safe enough from his position of power. Don't think that robots would be so lucky.

>>36759395
It's pretty straight forward. I don't know what else to tell you.

It's probably one of those cases where simple things go over the heads of over-analyzing anal-retentive academics. You know, the type that fill the ranks of the left.

ideology is for chads
also maybe there's confirmation bias here
believing in fash is probably why ur a robot and shunned by normal functional people desu

>>36759589
>ideology is for chads
Race is all that matters.

>>36759582
Ahh, so I'm no longer a retard that needs to "read more books"; now I'm just some ivory-tower academic or champagne liberal. If you'd read the quote again, you'd see that he doesn't even refer to fascism singularly AT ALL.
>Like EVERY sound political conception, Fascism is both practice and thought
>There is NO CONCEPT OF THE STATE which is not fundamentally a concept of life
When you were asked to provide information about fascism, you used a quote from Mussolini that only claims to provide you with UNIVERSAL characteristics of political ideologies; that's why I called it meaningless. That quote tells you literally NOTHING about what makes fascism a worthy ideology

just when i thought maybe people got on the right page you bait and switch me with something more dumb
pls friend stop getting baited into the racism meme its like the political equivalent of becoming that khv guy who plays with model trains at age 56
its just old and tired ugh I'm so tired

>>36759688
Ironic that you got hail hitler dubs.
>>36759667
>>What is a totalitarian civic national state that has a central bank controlled by the state.

>>36759589
Again. More than an ideology, fascism is a conception of life.

What's so hard to understand about this?

>>36759667
It's literally the foundation of fascism.

Here, educate yourself.

"Therefore it is a spiritualized conception, itself the result of the general reaction of modern times against the flabby materialistic positivism of the nineteenth century. . . . Fascism desires an active man, one engaged in activity with all his energies: it desires a man conscious of the difficulties that exist in action and ready to face them. It conceives of life as a struggle, considering that it behooves man to conquer for himself that life truly worthy of him, creating first of all in himself the instrument (physical, moral, intellectual) in order to construct it. Thus for the single individual, thus for the nation, thus for humanity"

>>36759776
>totalitarian
Shit-tier government, always
>civic national
Let's be honest; nobody here is advocating for civic nationalism. Maybe Mussolini, but he's been dead for a while.
>>36759780
Okay, so we've established that fascism is reactionary and based around a concept of a great men, "ubermensch", perhaps? Now how does that relate to the organization of government?

>>36759780
it's a conception of a robot life where you still get fucked by chad. You know you've come far as a robot when you start really believing in true cuck politics
>trump meme
>fascism
>antifeminism
>communism
robots are robots because we cuck ourselves to these garbo political memes which we know in our hearts are actually retarded

>>36759434
Are you honestly implying that we would bring back national socialist Germany and use their standards? Rather than fascism of the future?
ITT: Shills giving shills a bad name.

>>36759878
Yet again who are you to tell me why I am a robot?
>>no true Scotsman.

>>36759236
Lmao
>>36759314
>>36759476
Ever seen Triumph of the Will? You see how those crowds of women scream and cheer when they see him?

>>36759780
here let me translate this

>"Therefore it is a spiritualized conception, itself the result of the general reaction of modern times against the flabby materialistic positivism of the nineteenth century. . . . Fascism desires an active man, one engaged in activity with all his energies: it desires a man conscious of the difficulties that exist in action and ready to face them. It conceives of life as a struggle, considering that it behooves man to conquer for himself that life truly worthy of him, creating first of all in himself the instrument (physical, moral, intellectual) in order to construct it. Thus for the single individual, thus for the nation, thus for humanity"

Men struggle for power and we want individuals to improve themselves to struggle better for their own good

alright pal sounds

>>36759930

>haha le No True Scotsman GOTCHA
if ur one of those fallacy jerkoffs you must know that you're doing the fallacy fallacy pal

>who are you to tell me why I am a robot
>the point of the thread

>>36759894
>Are you honestly implying that we would bring back national socialist Germany and use their standards?
That's what you're suggesting.
>Rather than fascism of the future?
That's what I've been trying to get you to describe for me. What is special about your fascism? What does it entail as a government system?
>ITT: Shills giving shills a bad name.
Oh yeah, somebody is making sure I'm getting plenty of shekels to shill against fascism on a board full of a bunch of NEETs; maybe if this was /pol/ that accusation would have some merit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPR4Oehpkw4

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national socialism is the only correct form of fascism

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>>36759994

i really like the attention to detail with the tabs
kek

>>36759869
It is anti-democratic with one leader (ubermensch) standing as a figurehead and guide for the nation. He is the axe that stands out in the fasces and the people, all social classes collaborating together, are his support. He's /our guy/.

>>36759980
>have not suggested that we should.
>1488
>shills.

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>>36760009
>mmmyyyyeeeeehhh I'll create discord by pitting fascists against each other over petty semantics mehehehehe

Nice try. But we are a united and strong fasces.

>>36760108
>1488
So literally you're just racist. You have no defined goals for your administration's characteristics, as long as you kick out those damn dirty niggers and shitskins, right? Good luck with that half-formed "ideology"

>>36759994
Sauce on that song pls

>>36759980
I just don't get it why are you against whites having a ethnostate where the virtues of western civilization can thrive, independent of outside influence?

>>36760182
legionarii - europa nazione

>>36759477
There's something very special in the way that Hitler is looking at Goebbels in this image. It almost looks like he suspects something may be amiss.

>>36760195
And I don't get why you're against shitskins having their own ethnostates and doing the same.

>>36760223
Cool. Salute.

>>36760176
>haha dude you're racist! that means you have no argument

poor brainwashed lefty. if only you didn't drink the tap water, you could've been saved.

>>36760195
Because your ideology isn't even properly thought out. Tell me, what are those precious virtues of western civilization that you're trying to protect?
Is it individual liberties? Authoritarianism and totalitarianism don't mesh with that.
Is it freedom of thought, speech, and discourse? We know how fascism treats that.
Is it liberation of women? I don't know about you, but most fascists I speak with would prefer if women couldn't even vote.
What western values are you so desperate to preserve?

>>36760247
I'm not a lefty, and I AM racist. I'm just not dumb enough to believe that racism alone is an actual political ideology.

>>36760195

Why do you want a white ethnostate exactly

>>36760176
>So literally you're just racist
Racist is just a buzzword for anyone that doesn't bow to a globalist agenda.

Your asking me to come up with a new book with taxation policies and all?

>>36760266
14 words are

>We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.

It's not racist. It's ethno-nationalist.

>>36760224
>tfw now imagining them having gay sex as the ultimate form of man on man power play.

>>36760271
>Racism is just a buzzword for anyone that doesn't bow to a globalist agenda
You're almost right. The word itself is grossly overused, and I don't think racism is inherently wrong; I simply suspect your attachment to fascism might be almost entirely based on racism and memes rather than any sort of educated understanding of the system, its methods, and its results.
>Your asking me to come up with a new book with taxation policies and all?
So you admit that you don't care about government, administration, or policy? You just care about race?

>>36758673
don't see anything wrong with that desu

>>36758942
>implying robots should be in power
no one on this board is mentally stable enough to run their own life, why would you put them in positions of power regarding anybody.
Robots are vengeful and don't even see other robots, they'll rule with an iron fist and have remorse.

>>36760307
I know what 1488 means, you goof. The 88 is Heil Hitler, etc. Not all racists are ethno-nationalists, but all ethno-nationalists are racists. Racism and ethno-nationalism are not inherently wrong, but nobody is going to jump on your bandwagon for complete government restructuring without more than just
>m-muh white babies

>>36759167
spain shed fascism because franco handed power to the monarchy who promptly installed democracy.

>>36760250
To be just.To be presumed innocent untill proven guilty. Is a basic example.

>>36760270
We have a duty to the future, and effectively whites are manifest destiny.

>>36758644
Idiot. Robots wouldn't exist in a fascist society. Individuals are a product of their environment and upbringing. In a fascist society, we would all be employed, and happy and blissfully dedicating ourselves to the greater good

>>36760359
Restructuring is going to be pretty difficult considering how "diverse" western countries are already. But if you can convince enough whites to realize the follies of "diversity" then shit can change fast.

>>36760443
>To be just.To be presumed innocent untill proven guilty. Is a basic example.
Extrajudicial punishment has been a universal feature of Authoritarian governments, my fashy friend.

>>36758849
But comrades are a social construct too

>>36760466
But what do you want to do with that restructuring besides going full 1488 DOTR? I still can't figure out what you want to change politically; all I've been able to discern about your "ideology" is that you really don't like non-whites, yeah?

>>36760485
It's a predominantly white trait to assume innocence until guilt however.

>>36760525
But that isn't a fascist trait. Aren't you advocating fascism?

>>36759395
>like every sound political conception

he's not even describing fascism but ideology itself

the guy should have used another quote

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>>36758610
>we're gonna get together and get in shape
>better get a high paying job so you can support your wife and kids
>that guy looks like a loser. better kick his ass, it'll be for his own good.
>do you like the new uniforms? they're designed by hugo boss

ignoring whether fascism is good or bad, you're all turbo normies, or failed normies at best.

this thread only exists because some progressive called Trump a fascist and now you think you like fascism you weak minded retards

>>36760323
>So you admit that you don't care about government, administration, or policy? You just care about race?
That's a jump.
Close the borders, ban foreign lobby groups, centralize the bank's, improve work placement schemes, allow for the possession of private property, install a draft for public services for the youth to improve a sense of in group, increase defense spending, lessen the foreign budget. All focusing on the citizens of the nation rather than giving foreign nationals preferential treatment.

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>>36760521
I'm speaking frankly. Simply put, white people should have their own countries where they're the majority. Non whites can have their own countries and be the majority in them, we won't care. But the fact that in modern western nations we somehow have some phony "obligation" to let in every third world shitskin is self destructive and stupid. They wont "assimilate." So why not leave them in their own countries with their own cultures and let us have ours? Is that so insane of an idea?

The "restructuring" could take many forms. It could be from a National Socialist stand point, where everyone receives benefits based on how good of a member of society they are. Or it could libertarian. Or it could be blah blah blah. At that point its semantics. The real meat of the problem lies in the demographics first, and the economics second. As long as whites can have their own nations, and be the majority population in them, everything falls into place behind that.

>>36760547
I'm advocating fascism within and for a white ethno state.

Or have you forgotten that you dislike and do not understand fascism?

>>36760651
>Close the borders, ban foreign lobby groups, centralize the bank's, improve work placement schemes,
We're finally getting somewhere.
> allow for the possession of private property
What system doesn't already do this? Communism is the only one I can think of.
> install a draft for public services for the youth to improve a sense of in group
Maybe you can sell this to the Norwegians, I wouldn't know, but Americans would never swallow this.
> increase defense spending,
Again, America doesn't have this problem.
> lessen the foreign budget
Agreed.
> All focusing on the citizens of the nation rather than giving foreign nationals preferential treatment.
I agree that citizens should come first, but I don't really think foreign nationals get preferential treatment in America.

All in all, the only borderline fascist things you're advocating here are centralized banks (which are not exclusive to fascism), and labor drafts. Everything else is just ethno-nationalism. I'd rethink shilling fascism if I were you, desu
>>36760672
>The "restructuring" could take many forms. It could be from a National Socialist stand point, where everyone receives benefits based on how good of a member of society they are. Or it could libertarian. Or it could be blah blah blah. At that point its semantics. The real meat of the problem lies in the demographics first, and the economics second. As long as whites can have their own nations, and be the majority population in them, everything falls into place behind that.
lol, you finally admit that you aren't a fascist; you aren't even political. You're just racist; again, that's fine, I'm racist too. Don't pretend to be something you aren't, dude. You're not a fascist.

>>36760768
Innocent until proven guilty is NOT fascist. It is precisely anti-fascist; it is a classical liberal concept, and the antithesis to authoritarianism. YOU clearly don't understand fascism.

>>36760801
>look at me being holier-than-thou

I believe in fascism, I think its a good ideology, but don't act like a cunt just because you believe in it more than someone else

>>36758791
>>36758833
>>36760447

>i-if hitler would have won I wouldn't be a virgin!!!!

holy lol

>>36759688
>pls friend stop getting baited into the racism meme its like the political equivalent of becoming that khv guy who plays with model trains at age 56
How so?
It sounds like you just saying dont x or ur dumb and everyone will think ur lame XDDD without providing any substantial evidence to back up your claim
Also fascism and racism are not mutually inclusive

>>36760840
I'm not a fascist though; I'm a racist, like you. I don't know how else to explain to you that racism and fascism are not the same thing.

>unironically being a fascist

Natsoc is where it's at laddos. Fascists are bootlickers. Natsoc could work in an open and free society, as long as the group is racially homogeneous

>>36758610
having a political ideology is the ultimate in normalfaggotry

>>36760816
I said it was a virtue that western civilization can and should be defended in a white nation focusing on being built upon fascist ideals.

See
>>36760672

I'm away night senpai.

>>36760868
Read Mein Kampf and study Nazi Germany and tell me that Racism and Fascism can't be correlated

>>36759059
>A discussion that has gone since politics exists
>In a side, society as a whole is more important
>In the other side, individuals are
>hitler talks about this issue, obviously with deep knowledge about sociology, and how both the individual is important for the society and how important is the society for the individual
>lol fuzzwords

>>36760942
You're going to defend a western virtue by adopting a system that quashes that ONLY western virtue that you've managed to suggest is worthy of defense? Wow, dude, you've really shown me; you are a TITAN of intellect. Goodnight, Norway.

>>36760868
It's been educational thanks anon.

>>36760970
I'm not saying they can't be correlated at all. What I'm saying is, racism does not a fascist make. You tout yourself as a fascist because you've fallen for the memes; it's more counter-culture and "alternative intellectual" to claim fascism rather than just racism... because "racism is just for dumb hillbillies, I am more than that! I have an IDEOLOGY!", even though you don't actually adhere to fascism at all. You admitted it yourself, fascism is no more important to you than ANY other political system, as long as you can keep the shitskins out of your country

>>36760973
hitler is a great philosopher and social science researcher... not

>>36760976
Why the fuck do you keep saying "Norway"?

Norwegian people are pussies and their faces look like feet.

>>36761032
When did i say he is a philosopher?
Sociology and philosophy have nothing to do with eachother.
Well its generaly accepted that he had the ability to control the masses, which shows his natural ability towards social sciences

>>36761078
Because either OP or one of the idiots ITT that are shilling fascism is from Norway. This isn't his first thread. They come around the same time and get off at the same time

>>36761023
Yeah, racism doesn't make fascism. But that doesn't mean they can't work together. And that is my entire point.

For sake of brevity I said that it doesnt matter the ideology because my MAIN POINT was ( )

Fascism is great if its done right. And the only way to do it right is to base it off of how the Nazis did it. Having regular old fascism and having a country with mixed demographics is about as useful as having "civic nationalism."

Race and politics go together like bread and butter. To have any political ideology applied to a nation when its a jumbled demographic mess just means its a big pain in the ass. Whether its democratic, fascist, communist, libertarian, ancap, you name it, it wont work.

Racism itself cannot be used as a base for a nation's governance. But fascism and racism combined can. Hence, national socialism.

Trust me, I used to think I knew it all too, but it turns out I don't. You might want to take that little factoid and reflect it upon yourself.

>>36758610

Dumbass you don't like it when your mom tells you what to do why the fuck would you want a dictator to control you?

You have to be even more of a normie cuck to avoid getting gassed.

>>36761166
>Trust me, I used to think I knew it all too, but it turns out I don't.
>Now let me tell you with 100% certainty what the proper path forward for society is
>You know, the question that the smartest men have struggled to answer for literally thousands of years
Listen, man. I agree that a society is most cohesive when it's homogeneous, but authoritarianism is for bootlickers. That's fine if you want to be a bootlicker. If you desperately need a spook telling you how to live your life, go ahead and keep shilling for totalitarian government.

>>36761277
The common man has always bent his knee to a higher authority. Whether it's God, or a King, or an elected President, or a Dictator, the common man is not meant to rule like those who are destined too. It's fact. You are no more "free" under a democratically elected leader than one who dictates all of the laws himself.

In case you haven't noticed (assuming you're American) you experience tyranny that is unmatched in an Authoritarian state like Hitler's. You are constantly surveilled, you can have your home raided at any moment on suspicion, your leaders drag you into phony wars for no reason. The banks choke you with usurious debt, the politicians exploit your precious "freedom" of voting. But it doesn't matter because each party is controlled.

It doesn't matter what form of government it is. You're never truly free. You just have to take what freedom that each one gives and make the best of it. And in my eyes, whatever degree of freedom an Authoritarian leader (acutal leader) can grant me, I will support him. If he does not give me the means to live comfortable life, then he is not a good leader, and he can be disposed of.

I can't sit here and dictate to you my entire political thesis, but I hope you take away some things from what I said (assuming you're not going to act pompous)

>fascism

It goes to shit when the demagogue dies, as shown by history.

>>36761424
>In case you haven't noticed (assuming you're American) you experience tyranny that is unmatched in an Authoritarian state like Hitler's. You are constantly surveilled, you can have your home raided at any moment on suspicion, your leaders drag you into phony wars for no reason. The banks choke you with usurious debt, the politicians exploit your precious "freedom" of voting. But it doesn't matter because each party is controlled.
I wouldn't call it unmatched. Hitler would love to have us constantly surveilled, and he did keep tabs on his citizens, just not electronically because the means were not there. The Gestapo could have your home raided at any moment on suspicion. And unlike Nazi Germany, our government fears the polls too much to draft us into any war they feel like it.

And therein lies the difference between totalitarianism and "freedom", regardless of how much of a sham it is. Sure, the parties don't give a shit about any of us, but the representatives care about re-election. They care about their donors. I prefer that over a single-party state like China where we have literally 0 influence.

>You just have to take what freedom that each one gives and make the best of it.
Yeah, and I'm not going throw away the few shreds of freedom offered to me by our system for an authoritarian government where I have NONE.... especially considering that the installation of a true fascist government in America would be a literal death-sentence for me.

>>36761109
Fuck Norway and Scandinavia in general.