Scientific evidence supports black pill

>>36699121
can i get a tl;dr here?

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>>36699173
we dindu nothing, we were born to fail

>>36699121
>YOUR GENES = THE REASON WHY YOU ARE A LOSER

no shit
welcome to last decade!
but remember: losers deserve what losers get, regardless of reasons
after all, it's just genes and environment brah
and the environment is the other genes out there
enjoy the feedback loop to the grave

Your post is a near-incoherent mess, OP. Is English your first language?

Sorry for being so blunt. I don't mean anything by it.

>>36699121
YOUR GENES = THE REASON WHY YOU ARE A LOSER
Say that to the many robots on this board who have literal Chad and Stacy parents.

>YOUR GENES = THE REASON WHY YOU ARE A LOSER

bullshit, because the studies are bullshit

physical preconditions (height etc) are set by genes. almost anything else is set by environment. you might behave similar to your genetic parents because they raised you.

source: i'm doing my masters in paedagogics

you guys just need to get your life together, stop blaming muh genetics

>>36699757
with
>the studies are bullshit

i mean that there is no study saying so. all studies relating to that matter support my point (afaik)

>>36699776
>>36699121
Pls give study links.

>>36699817
>Pls give study links.

Source: me ;)

>>36699776

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/12061787/Intelligence-genes-discovered-by-scientists.html

http://www.nature.com/news/first-robust-genetic-links-to-depression-emerge-1.17979

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3449233/

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/04/160425112453.htm

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2242349/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-athletes-way/201501/how-do-genes-sway-the-sensitivity-or-resilience-child

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/5270316/Anger-is-in-the-genes.html

>>36699848
Opinion discarded. OP is king.

>>36699870
>telegraph.co

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>36699870

one more for good measure

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/gene-linked-optimism-self-esteem

>>36699886
>www.nih.gov

lol

>>36699883

It's not as if they're the ones who did the study. They just reported on it.

Is their report an inaccurate summary of the study?

>>36699121
Basically what you guys are doing is awkwardly grasping at determinism, which isn't an excuse to resign to being a loser. There are infinite things you can do to improve yourself and your situation, you just prefer the comfort of illusory defeat to the strain of making any sort of effort.

>>36699870
behaviour =/= genetic preconditions

if your genes make it easy for you to get depressed/angry/happy that still all relies on your behaviour and how you were raised

>>36699967

>you just prefer the comfort of illusory defeat to the strain of making any sort of effort.

Do people freely choose to prefer that, or is that preference determined by chemical reactions occurring in the nervous system?

>>36699967
this sums up pretty much the whole board

>i'm a loser
>i can't get a gf because girls are sluts
>muh genetics

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>>36699975

>2017

>Appealing to dualism

>>36700002
>cant get a gf because I've been imprinted with a losing personality
>if only there was a way to break conditioning easily, like through a drug or something

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>tfw too intelegent to be affected by genetics

Hello there, brainlets

>>36699121
>YOUR GENES = THE REASON WHY YOU ARE A LOSER

But the genetic factors weren't the real problem for me anon. I had a shitty alcoholic father that beat me. I spent elementary and most of middle school with white trash like him. They tormented me. When I moved away to live with mom EVERYTHING and I fucking mean everything changed. People treated me differently. I was in shock when I learned how much better I would have been if I was simply in a different school. I was so damaged and fucked up that I couldn't take advantage of this. I struggled into adulthood with depression and other shit. When you've been conditioned to think one way it's really hard to accept that the opposite is true and the first half of your life was a complete lie. People were good to me but I feared them. I still kinda do.

When you're surrounded by shit you become shit anon. That's the sad fact of life. If some rich family adopted me at 5 I would probably have a degree, a successful career, and a beautiful wife already. But I am here working a shitty job and trying to pick up the pieces.

>>36700063

There are all kinds of drugs that can radically change your personality. But it might not necessarily be for the better.

Get yo fucking problems done! Its not your genes, its just you, do stop searching for nonsense excusions and stand up for changes.

>>36700099

Some evidence indicates that people with certain variations of dopamine processing genes are hurt more by adverse childhood experiences than people with other variations of those genes.

The people who are the most sensitive are often the most intelligent and successful if they get a good upbringing, but tend to do worst if they have a bad upbringing.

The analogy made is between a dandelion and an orchid. An orchid will flourish into a beautiful plant if it's given very specific care. A dandelion isn't exactly exceptionally beautiful as a flowering plant, but it's pretty enough and can flourish even if its environment isn't so great.

It seems that some people lean towards being "orchids" and others are more "dandelion".

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/on-the-trail-of-the-orchid-child/

>>36700159

>Its not your genes, its just you

So there is a "you" that can act independently of your genetic makeup?

>>36700221
>kids can't even perceive past the ego illusion
>think they can weigh in on what personality actually is

lmao

>>36699757
>>36699967
>just work harder bro, fix yourself, worked for me

How can I get taller, bigger bones, broader shoulders, a bigger dick, and a more masculine face? How can I get a brain with better intelligence, social aptitude, and long term memory?

>>36700307

I had decent results with piracetam. It's a lot safer than stuff like Adderall etc.

Human beibgs share like 90% (not exact) of their genes with pigs but still you would never say pigs share 90% of their characters with humans...

Also humans share much dna but still characters are still totally different

>>36700350

>Human beibgs share like 90% (not exact) of their genes with pigs but still you would never say pigs share 90% of their characters with humans...

Pigs are actually more similar to humans than you'd think.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animal-emotions/201506/pigs-are-intelligent-emotional-and-cognitively-complex

>>36700307
>thinking height, physical appearance and most of all dick size determine you
that's your problem

>How can I get a brain with better intelligence, social aptitude, and long term memory?
training. watching and adapting.

>>36700307
>How can I get taller, bigger bones, broader shoulders, a bigger dick, and a more masculine face?

stop giving a fuck about them

>How can I get a brain with better intelligence, social aptitude, and long term memory?

Read good books, experiment with creative activities, dabble in new skills, and discuss/debate ideas for the gratification of advancing your thoughts. Apply yourself in a variety of ways, each different task enhances your ability in all others. Martial arts is actually incredibly good for this - approach everything you do and see in life as an avenue of insight. Your potential to grow or shrink as a person is virtually infinite, and the potential for people to be better or worse than yourself is virtually infinite. Stop worrying about your place in the world and enjoy tending to and exploring your own mind, you will be invariably pleased with where you end up.

>>36700534
>enjoy tending to and exploring your own mind, you will be invariably pleased with where you end up

ha

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>>36699121
>YOUR GENES = THE REASON WHY YOU ARE A LOSER

t. Liquid

>>36699995
>Do people freely choose to prefer that, or is that preference determined by chemical reactions occurring in the nervous system?
For fuck's sake, Determinism is not about the fucking nervous system, it's a consequence of time. All events exist in a system of cause and effect, each system is determined by prior cause and is responsible for ensuing effects. Neuroscience is irrelevant, it supplies factors among the gorillions which come into play for any given human decision.

>Do people freely choose to prefer that
Sure. Choice is a sensation we experience regardless of belief and they are determined by our identity, which we generally choose to consider significant and valuable. Determinism needs not be an attack on free will, it just alters one's understanding of control/autonomy. We neither control or are controlled - we exist to observe and experience, and we MAKE choices. Whatever choice we happen to make may have been what was always going to happen, but it's determined just as much by who we are than anything else.

Look up soft determinism

>>36700751
You can dismiss all the obvious answers you want, but one day you'll recognize that you had indeed made the choice to be a loser.

>>36700534
>>36700499

>thinking height, physical appearance and most of all dick size determine you
>stop giving a fuck about them

>if you can't change something about yourself, then it doesn't matter and has no effect on your quality of life
Nice delusional normalfag meme.
I guess women love little-dicked midgets with ugly, effeminate faces, narrow shoulders, and high pitched voices. It's all about effort, bro!

>>36700903
all i'm saying is that autism as you described = loserdom

>>36700860

Are ANY of the events occurring in the nervous system non-physical, or are they all determined by the laws of physics?

>t's determined just as much by who we are than anything else

"Who we are" is determined by physical and chemical reactions occurring in the nervous system.

If you had a rush of the wrong neurotransmitters in the wrong parts of your brain, you could turn into a huge douchebag. You wouldn't be able to help yourself. It would be a physical reaction, like tachycardia or sleep apnea.

>Look up soft determinism

It's tripe designed to confuse people.

Genetics just determine the difficulty setting (easy, normal, hard, extreme, etc), but it's possible for any player to succeed at the game.

I want to say a few things since we finally have a thread with people who genuinely seem interested in improving themselves. Advice usually only focuses on the good parts. You don't just get to shed the pain of your past and decide you are going to become a normie right away. You have years of conditioning that you need to break. If you really want to do this you have to accept that for a long time, quite possibly the tesr of your life, you're going to be at war with your past self. I have come so far yet I'm still struggling. Something that's so simple for most normal people, going to work, is like going into battle against my fears. When I started dating girls holy fuck was I ever embarrassing. I humiliated myself more than once and it really hurt. I came home and cried a few times, not gonna lie about that to make you think you're just going to read my advice and become some super alpha Chad overnight. Oh no anon, that's not how it works. It's like you're playing an mmo and everyone else is already leveled up and you're starting at 1 trying to grind it out. It's a real bitch. But it's the most rewarding thing you will ever do in your life and if you can stand to do it you'll be so much happier with yourself. If you can't do it I understand.

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>people believe in free will and blame everything on me
>hurr anon if free will exists why can I do this *spazzes out*

>>36700935
>I guess women love little-dicked midgets with ugly, effeminate faces, narrow shoulders, and high pitched voices.
i guess you never realized women care for more in men


seems like you never even tried

>>36699870
You shouldn't cite from the telegraph and actually look for the source
I won't judge you for only reading abstracts, not everyone has time to read it all

>>36701016

My main purpose was just to counter the claim that no studies exist linking personality traits to genetics. But point taken.

>>36701014

Sexual attraction is purely physical. There's nothing else to it.
Women will often subtly admit this by implying they have different standards for casual sex and relationships.
Most women will settle for less on a physical level if they're getting a rich guy, but they won't be attracted to him.

>>36700988

If it's possible for anyone to succeed, then why do some people fail?

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>>36699509
>I don't mean anything by it.
What did he mean by this?

>>36701076
because they dont try hard enough

>>36701068
>sexual attraction is purely physical
so if moral plays no role in the process of finding a partner and being attracted to them, why are we not having orgies on the streets 24/7?
maybe because we aren't degenerate animals breeding but human beings. and a normal woman doesn't want to love a man whose characteristics (being funny/nice whatever) she doesnt like

>>36701141

>because they dont try hard enough

Why don't they try hard enough?

>>36700173
Yes.

orchid = robot or Chad
dandelion = normie or cyborg

>>36701076
Because succeeding is hard. It requires lots of effort and there are no guarantees. Even if you try and try you could just die without having shit to show for your hard work. But if I wanted to live on neetbux and food stamps forever I wouldn't have to make any effort except to go in when my case was under review. Being sad and alone is easy. It's why I accepted it for so long. I didn't have to do shit. I decided I wanted something different out of life now I am suffering just to have a chance at it.

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>>36701141

>it's about personality, bro, just bee yourself

>>36701209

>Because succeeding is hard.

Why do some people do hard things and others don't?

>It requires lots of effort and there are no guarantees.

This contradicts your earlier statement that the reason why some people fail is that they didn't try hard enough. Now here you're saying that even if they did try hard enough, they still might fail.

>>36701211
Exceptions confirm the rule

i know very few people to who this didn't apply

>>36701068
Wrong.
Money, status and confidence all increase a man's sexual value.

>>36701245
I am not the one who made that other statement. I don't believe in that at all. That Ayn Rand esque view of the world doesn't work for me. I know people who tried harder than I did and had more resources at their disposal yet failed harder. Life is a series of gambles. You look at the odds and sometimes hedge your bets. I don't blame NEETs for doing what they do. When I look at the taxes that come out of my check I seriously hope they are being helped by it. But I will tell them that if they want all of the pain with none of the gain they are going to be disappointed.

Woman by nature clearly search for a man who is atractive but men do so, too. Whilst appearance clearly plays a large role in sexuality it is not the only impact. Behaviour, inteligence, character is also important and should be considered higher than the pure look by every intelligent male and female

>>36701352
Should be all of the gain with none of the pain. I fucked it up. Doesn't sound that great anyway.

>>36701302

No, money, status, and confidence increase a man's utility/usefulness, not his sexual value.

>>36701352

That's the source of my confusion then. I thought you were the other guy.

You and I might not see eye to eye on everything, but your outlook is clearly closer to mine than that other fellow's is.

>>36700935

>most of all dick size
Ever notice that the people who propagate this myth are virgins
Have you ever looked at the fucking anatomy of a vagine
Have you read anything about ACTUAL female sexuality, on a scientific basis?

The commitment to cynicism is irrational. When people say it's not about dick size they're not trying to reassure you, they're speaking from a retardly obvious truth that's denied by a bunch of fearful, porn addicted nerds. What you should be worried about is your sexual inexperience, a big dick wouldn't have saved you.

>has no effect on your quality of life

What? Of course it does. But your quality of life is also determined by your own volition. Being a small dicked, effeminate midget is a detriment, not a disqualification. Crying about it and obsessing over the concept of Handsome Squidward has done worse for you than your physical form. You're so hung up on the fact that you can't be Chad walking into a bar and picking up a Stacy with a slap on the ass that you deny yourself the experience of getting laid in the way that it would happen for you, which is taking care of yourself and meeting people. You know, like the majority of the human race.

You whine about "normie memes" because the ONLY defense you have is that the answers are too popular. You know, like the color of the sky or the answers to basic math problems. You pretend that popularity invalidates it, but it doesn't. Maybe things happened in an unfortunate way in your life, but you have the potential to be infinitely better or infinitely worse than you currently are, and there will always be people infinitely worse or infinitely better than you. Stop worrying about your place in the world and make of your life what you can. Why wouldn't you?

>>36700964
>"Who we are" is determined by physical and chemical reactions occurring in the nervous system.
Yep
>If you had a rush of the wrong neurotransmitters in the wrong parts of your brain, you could turn into a huge douchebag.

Get the right kind of concussion and you turn into a murderous criminal

Your argument is basically "your brain and body are responsible for what your brain and body do".

My argument was that Determinism is not dependent on details of neuroscience, it's about the nature of cause and effect, and when people argue Determinism from neuroscience they're reducing it's meaning and presenting it as a shallower concept.

>It's tripe designed to confuse people.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and ignore the bait, but I don't lose this debate and you're sure as shit not going to change that.

>>36701415
>Ever notice that the people who propagate this myth are virgins

Not really.
I've heard women gossiping about the subject in real life. I've heard women fawning over guys that are large and talking shit about guys that are small. I've heard things from other guys too. It's very obvious that women almost universally prefer larger dicks.

>>36701609

>My argument was that Determinism is not dependent on details of neuroscience, it's about the nature of cause and effect, and when people argue Determinism from neuroscience they're reducing it's meaning and presenting it as a shallower concept.

You're just flipping it around and mixing it up, man.

What I'm saying is that human behavior is determined by physical phenomena.

There's no homunculus "you" who can come to the rescue, if your brain is set up in such a way as to make you depressed, or angry, or demotivated.

The "cure" for such mindstates, if there is any, is going to be some type of physical event that will alter your outlook.

That's the point I'm making. You're overcomplicating the shit out of it.

>>36701609
>>36701683

The non-existent homunculus also can't come to the rescue if you're suffering from psychomotor tics, rage fits, skin-picking, nail-biting, compulsive gambling, or any other unhealthy behavior.

Those behaviors themselves are the products of chemical/physical reactions involving neurotransmitters, the flow of which is again the product of physics.

Your ego doesn't get to decide where the dopamine goes. Where the dopamine goes itself shapes the ego.

>>36701667
It's really not important though. Knowing how to make a woman cum is the most important thing. Also stamina. 10 minutes of John Holmes dick is nothing compared to an hour long pounding culminating in a g spot orgasm. Do you know how many women will never experience an orgasm from vaginal penetration in their entire lives? My gf isn't one of them.

>>36701667
I doubt it.
Not saying that there aren't girls who like big dick (altho most of them have no sense of scale and call everything "eight inches") but it's a pretty easy generalization that most women aren't that concerned with it.

I've probably interacted with women more than you, my experience and knowledge base is greater on the anecdotal, interpersonal, and scientific level. You're just committing to rejecting literally anything that could possibly contradict your cynicism.

>>36701804
Average dicks are only scorned by size queens which are few and far between but a less than average dick is something that's not deemed attractive on a man.

>>36701783

>an hour long pounding

That's a really unusual amount of time for an act of intercourse to last. Intercourse typically lasts about 5-10 minutes. 15 minutes is a very long time.

>>36701783
>Only 25 percent of women are consistently orgasmic during vaginal intercourse.

>This bears repeating: Only one-quarter of women reliably experience orgasm during intercourse-no matter how long it lasts, no matter what size the man's penis, and no matter how the woman feels about the man or the relationship.

>This statistic comes not from just one study, but from a comprehensive analysis of 33 studies over the past 80 years by Elisabeth Lloyd in her fascinating book The Case of the Female Orgasm (Harvard University Press).

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>>36701141
>>36701209
The "hard-working" personality trait is inherited. Lazy people are genetically lazy.

just google "conscientiousness genetic"

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>>36701910

>tfw fat gene is also inherited

just google "obesity genetic"

>>36701910

Drugs could remedy that problem, at least in some people, at least temporarily.

But they could also make it worse in others. Or the effects could change with time so someone who takes a drug that at first made them really motivated might eventually wind up even less motivated than before.

>>36701845
I don't want to stop until she cums though and that's really how long it takes. Once it's time I can feel a spot inside her getting really really warm, like it heats right up. Have to angle my dick just right to hit it but of course I want to feel something nice and toasty on my it so it was pretty much a no brainer the first time it happened. I can make her orgasm multiple times that way. After the first time I can slow down and stop then start hitting that same spot all over again. Can do it again and again until she's out of breath.

I have a 4 incher.

>>36701963

Same deal. Certain drugs could make you lose a fuckload of weight by compelling you to not want to eat so much.

But there can be rebound/paradoxical effects too.

You'll see that sometimes with people who take diet pills. They won't want to eat and the weight will drop right off. But eventually the pills can stop working or the side effects will get so bad that they'll quit taking them and end up gaining the weight back.

>>36701989
I so want to believe you but that sounds too good to be true. I can't trust people.

>>36701683
>What I'm saying is that human behavior is determined by physical phenomena.

I mean that's fine I guess, I just don't particularly care about cartesian bullshit right now. It makes no difference to me which one you were arguing, it's separate from my argument and you should've recognized that by now.

>There's no homunculus "you" who can come to the rescue, if your brain is set up in such a way as to make you depressed, or angry, or demotivated.
What do you mean "if your brain is set up"? You mean by circumstance? That's just back to basic determinism, whatever is responsible for a human decision is the result of prior factors. But for no reason whatsoever you tried to warp my argument into a claim of some sort of magical autonomy, which it wasn't, not from any rational interpretation. I mentioned identity as something which exists, not as something we control or that exerts control because control is a bullshit concept in the first place and it's that concept which limits people from understanding determinism regardless of whether they agree with it.

>That's the point I'm making. You're overcomplicating the shit out of it.

Sure

>The non-existent homunculus also can't come to the rescue if you're suffering from psychomotor tics, rage fits, skin-picking, nail-biting, compulsive gambling, or any other unhealthy behavior

This is the original issue I'm referring to. You're arbitrarily separating the "can't help it" elements as would be recognized by a non determinist. Irreversible issues are unfortunate, I guess, but they don't change anything about determinism or the concept of free will.

>Those behaviors themselves are the products of chemical/physical reactions involving neurotransmitters, the flow of which is again the product of physics.
Yeah, but don't stop abstracting it there. It's not about physics or neuroscience, it's about literally anything that could influence an event and the neuroscience perspective is limiting on a philosophical basis.

>>36702011
Yeah because they didn't change their eating habits. They eat until they don't want to eat anymore instead of thinking about what they eat and how much they should eat or have eaten already.
So if a diet pill makes you less hungry you'll eat less but if you quit taking it you'll be back to the consumption rate you had prior to taking these pills.

>>36702027
I'm telling the truth. Even if I wasn't it wouldn't matter. Read more about the g spot and how to stimulate it. Also practice marathon fapping. Nofap is a meme. Nocum is the way to go.

>>36702090
I don't really care about how often I fap or not. Sometimes I'll fap 2 times a day and sometimes I go without a fap for weeks.
But still, I want to believe you but I can't. People are mean, y'know?

>>36702090

>Also practice marathon fapping.

That could end up injuring the penis if you take it too far.

We have threads about anons fucking up their dicks from too-long masturbation sessions like every week.

>>36702165
Well yeah, lube or maybe even investment in a fleshlight is a must. Makes it better anyway. First nut is always the easy one, hard to control it. But if you go at it about ten minutes later and practice something similar to pulling out and holding it back when you feel ready to cum you can apply the technique IRL

>>36699121
The fact that personality is genetic for most people does not imply that you could not overcome your programming if you were to try hard enough.

>>36703071
It's called evolution and species have adapted to pressure or died because of failure to do so since the start.

>>36699999
otegano