Why is there such a difference in what men and women believe?

Unfair comparison. You can be a "good guy" without being overly nice.

Women don't answer these kind of questions truthfully because they have no sense of self-awareness. They will answer with what they think is the good thing to answer. Not what they would actually do themselves.

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>>36442718
Because the female species is inferior.

>expecting womemes to actually say what they think

I feel like most "nice guys" are actually creeping passive aggressive about sex and bad boys are just aggressive and then the guys who get the best women are right between

bumpfdgfddsfgsdhshsdfgg

Also probably get this misconception due to guys like me. For example been with my wife for years and always held long term relationships. As I get comfortable with someone we kinda play these games where they will get to the resteraunt sooner than me and I'll come up and be like a sexy bitch like you shouldn't eat alone. I'm gonna sit with you and she'd giggle and we will talk and flirt as usual but from the outside you probably wouldn't think she was my wife... You'd just think it's an asshole getting a girl without much effort

Being a "nice guy" is not the same as being a nice guy.

>>36443495
I got a nice guy so try from my friend. She dated a dude who was super sweet and she liked him but they'd only really dated a few weeks. It started raining on their date and he had an apartment nearby, they went there to bide some time and around the time they needed to leave he made a joke about staying in, she went to the door and it was locked. He joked about the secret password being sex with him. She got pissed and he said it was a joke. Then when she asked for him to unlock it he kept joking that the secret password was sex. She finally went to get his key and he unlocked the door and apologized then was following her since they were gonna walk to the movies but instead she went to the car and told him she didn't want to see him again. "nice guy" vs nice guy

>>36443578
Jesus, she should have called the cops on his ass.

>>36443578
No door locks from the inside like this. It is against the fire code in every country that has one.

So unless your friend is from one of the Muslim countries (in which case this guy is a beta cuck, he was well within his rights to rape her) this is one of the stupidest lies I have ever heard.

KYS now failure roastie.

>>36443740
Padlock on the panel lock... I had one in my apartment. Kept it from. Coming loose

Nice is just code word for ugly to women

>>36444038
More of code work for creepy. If a guy complains that he is a nice guy and women ignore him. He really means I beg and beg and they won't have sex with me

>>36442718
Because human beings are delusional and affected heavily by self-serving bias.

I don't even need a survey of women to prove that they are exponentially more harsh about their looks than men are. Most cute ass ladies who are extremely fuckable think they are 4 points lower than they really are just because they don't weigh 95 pounds.

>>36443495
>>36443578
Okay, I've been wanting to vent about this for a while:

>Being a "nice guy" is not the same as being a nice guy

Look, I'm sorry.....but the people who decided to label men that pretend to be nice to get into panties as "nice guys".....what were they thinking? Why not call them "fake-nice" guys to differentiate from actually-nice guys?
When women see another woman putting on a pleasant personality that they know is a facade, they don't call her a "nice girl", they call her "fake". When people see a woman who fakes being nice to men just to get to their money, they call her a "gold digger", not a "nice woman". So why are fake-nice guys labeled something that they're really not?

>"b-b-but the difference is one is in quotes!"
Hardly noticeable 'difference'. Especially when speaking about the subject out loud instead of in text. Seriously...try saying to someone out loud that there's a difference between nice guys and "nice guys". Even with finger quotes or voice inflection, it sounds dumb since its the same phrase.
I'm gonna break out my tinfoil hat here. I honestly think the reason for labeling fake-nice men as "nice guys" is to subliminally suggest to everyone that men who are actually nice to women without the expectation of sex, don't really exist. Notice how some people love to say "if a man describes himself as a nice guy.....then he's not a nice guy". So legit decent men aren't even allowed to describe themselves now? Bitchy women can call themselves bitches all day and tough guys can call themselves tough with no one arguing that who they are.....but the minute a nice guy calls himself nice, he must be a dishonest wolf in sheep's clothing trying to get into panties?

"Nice guys" do exist.....but they deserve a different label so that it stands out more that nice guys exist as well.

>>36442718
Women lie, men do not. Women know what they play is a big game to win.

>>36442718
Because women don't know what they want. They wouldn't be saying the truth even if they were honest. But there's also the issue of women never saying what they think, they always say what they feel is best to be said.

Why do you think the statistics don't say 100% of women have a rape fetish?

Because women aren't honest.

protip: fuck men

it's easier and men don't lie to you

giving up on women and just getting a boyfriend cured my depression and I'm not even exaggerating

>>36444721
You went on a completelly retarded tangent on this whole "nice guy" narrative.
It's not feignin niceness to get into some girls pants, its being nice and wanting to have a genuine romantic bond with a girl ad oppose to just wanting her for sex.
The quotes come into play when the guy is so nice that he doesn't have the backbone to call a girl out to on her bullshit, like being willing to be used as an emotional tampon in order to get her to give him a chance, and that sort of thing.

>>36443578
>she went to the door and it was locked. He joked about the secret password being sex with him. She got pissed and he said it was a joke. Then when she asked for him to unlock it he kept joking that the secret password was sex.

kek

That said, it sounds like something your friend made up. And frankly that's full on rapist rather than "nice guy".

>>36444743
Men lie, it's more they're unlikely to lie if there's nothing to lose from telling the truth. So they'll be honest about this.

Women on the other hand seem incapable of being truthful.

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>>36444721
/r9k/ is full of normalfags now spouting the narrative. It's all a mountain of horseshit and I can't be bothered to climb it. Ignore the cartoon stuff at the end, it's from /a/.

>>36445329
>It's not feignin niceness to get into some girls pants, its being nice and wanting to have a genuine romantic bond with a girl ad oppose to just wanting her for sex.

lmao
>I don't want to fuck her I just expect her to fall in love with me for being nice to her, so it's not being "fake nice"
"nice guy" detected

>>36443740
Yes they do. All my doors lock from the inside and need a key to be unlocked again.

>>36444721
I sometimes get a similar feeling. I think this sort of mislabeling is actually becoming really common, and not just with the nice guy idea. It seems like an unintentional mischaracterization by society that over time has muddied the waters of how people perceive what the words really mean. As in, many people have so many varying views on what the definition of the word is that the word itself has become almost meaningless.

>personality matters at all

It's all about looks and social status. Why the fuck would you even think anything else matters?

>>36442718
Because women have no experience in trying to date women
>of course I want a nice guy who treats me well and values me as a perso-
>OOOH THAT PRISONER IS SO SEXYY OMG I'D LET HIM RAPE ME ANY DAY

>>36445964
>>I don't want to fuck her I just expect her to fall in love with me for being nice to her, so it's not being "fake nice"

No
Some guys can attract girls througj looks, through resources or just by being fun to.be around. There are some who posesses none of those attributes so they try to.get female attention through empathy. And thats what you call faking being nice. I just feel sorry gor those guys who despite their best effort get shit in return from people like you.

And by the way, don't try to read into things.
You are clearly not a big thinker.

>>36442718
its called lying

or, a more benign interpretation, simply not knowing yourself.

LOL @ believing anything most women say in this type of survey.

>>36443495
women don't like either one anyway.

>>36445140

I think I would honestly try fucking a tranny if it was socially acceptable.....I fap to tranny porn almost as much as porn with actual women in it

Don't think I could ever love one, though

>>36443578
wtf......your friend is a freak

>>36442718
>will it hurt his chances
0%-0%=0%

PROTIP: you can be a nice guy and a bad boy.

When girls talk about "bad boys" they mean guys who are playful and tease them, and are also rebellious and know how to stick up for themselves.

>>36443740
What the fuck? Do doors in the US not lock from the inside? What is the fucking point then?

wtf is a nice guy anyway?

I have very little emotion and very few friendships, but I tend to follow the basic rules of social etiquette and try to be friendly with people without being overly fake. I almost never experience anger since I don't feel overly emotional about anything. I also would probably invest very little time and energy in a relationship if I had a gf beyond the bare minimum.

Do I qualify as a "nice guy"? If I do I feel like 90% of the population would qualify.

>>36442718
betas have been allowed to sully the gene pool for way too long
this is just the pendulum swinging back
if you want to blame anyone, blame nature - the bitch that fucked us all over

>>36442718
Women are retards and aren't reliable sources information. That is all.

>>36448892
a nice guys are just low-status males who think the (subconsciously) apologetic "positive-mentality" thing will give them a chance

>>36442718
Neediness, a hallmark of nice guys, is profoundly unattractive to women.

Fathers and older brothers should teach teenage males that, and there'd be a lot less trouble in life.

>>36442718
"Nice guys" and guys who are nice are completely 2 different things. "Nice guys" are trying to get sex out of doing nice things and are usually passive aggressive cunts or turn hostile when they don't get sex. My gf had a "nice guy" friend that turned into a little whinny bitch when he didn't get laid. He still messages her every once in a while to talk about how I don't treat her right.

>>36449859
Fuck off normke cancer shithead
Btw originalina

>>36448866
Exactly how stupid are you anon? Did you finish primary school?

>>36449995
I've been here since the original /r9k/. This board used to be for original content that just happened to be populated by forever alone autist. Now it's the autism safe space boards for frog posting and tendies.

>>36442718
what the fuck even is a "bad boy" lmao

girls are such gimps

>>36449995
Faggot

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Nice guys is too loaded a term now to use as a basis for a survey question. But considering Christian Grey moved something like 50 million books, I don't even know what being a good guy or having a good personality even means anymore.

>>36448866
From the inside of the house/ room, you can lock out other people. What they mean is that if I "lock" my door, I can still open it to leave, but somebody on my porch can't get in.

>>36443578
what a faggotry

>>36446195
Welcome to post-irony, the fruit of being an overly sarcastic asswipe. It's an incredible sight to see braindead animals defend it.

>>36444721
>I honestly think the reason for labeling fake-nice men as "nice guys" is to subliminally suggest to everyone that men who are actually nice to women without the expectation of sex, don't really exist.

Never thought about this before but this actually makes sense
Like it's subtle propaganda for 'no man is really good and they all want to use women, even the ones that seem nice so reject them especially'
Then when someone intelligent enough calls it out directly, they can backtrack and say 'oh no, "nice guys" are different from nice guys'

>>36442718
why are women such fucking liars even on an anonymous survey?

>>36448866
You can't lock someone INTO a room from the inside. That's not how doors work in a first world country. When you lock a door, you're preventing people from entering, not from exiting.

>>36453437

Personally I think it's just a way to pin the unsavory aspects of their lives on the unattractive (which most equate to evil). Even if the nice guy is every inch the villain they paint him to be, wrap him in a Chad skin and all of a sudden just wanting to keep it casual or strictly physical is all of a sudden not a big deal, or even ideal. From what I've seen of the people that do have sex with each other the cardinal sin of our age isn't wanting to use people for your own gratification, it's being unattractive.

everyone sees themself as a nice guy, when in reality they are dicks. thats why.

>>36442718

>What girls say
>What girls do

Pick one

>>36453437
>no man is really good and they all want to use women, even the ones that seem nice so reject them especially
Makes it all the sadder there are men propagating it.

>>36442718
I use to , or probably still am, be a "nice guy". I do get the difference. However, I don't many "nice guys" intentionally pretend to be nice. Many of them just cant excel themselves to make themselves desirable to a woman or "woo" her . Every time I try to hit on a girl, it turns platonic so fast, not even funny

>>36443740
>against the fire code
my dick is against the fire code, try and stop me

>>36442718
>Why is there such a difference in what men and women believe?

Women are in denial.

They like to think of themselves as someone who wants a nice guy.

But when they meet an asshole guy, they get fascinated by him. They start wondering if they can change him. It's a challenge, and the challenge excites them. They WISH he was nice, and so they lie to themselves and pretend that he actually is nice. Hence, the delusion and denial.

>>36445140
>protip: fuck men
>it's easier and men don't lie to you

I couldn't even count how many times I wished I was gay. It would have made life so much easier for me.

>>36445497
>Women on the other hand seem incapable of being truthful
You're talking about people who literally only go out in public when they put on a fake face via make-up

What the question doesn't account for is the difference between nice guys and "nice guys" the latter being entitled, aggressive assholes.

>>36456283
>What the question doesn't account for is the difference between nice guys and "nice guys" the latter being entitled, aggressive assholes

That's EXACTLY the type of confusion that this anon was addressing

>>36444721

>>36456283
There is no distinction. Nice means nice. "Jerry is a nice guy" means exactly that. If someone isn't nice, they're not nice and most people wouldn't say that person is nice.

The question is posed to people who are presumably not snarky "ironic" underages.

>>36444721
Protip: Women use the whole "fake nice guys who just want sex" thing to justify rejecting them, so they can avoid the cognitive dissonance of not being attracted to someone who, on paper, makes the best long-term partner.

This way when they meet someone who is genuinely nice but she is not attracted to him, she can just lump him in with this boogeyman of "nice guys" in order to not feel guilty about rejecting him.

It's about saving face and avoiding negative feelings for the woman, nothing more.

>>36456609
"Nice guys" are ones that call themselves nice and blame that for their failures with women, not genuine nice people. No one is calling them nice but themselves.

>>36456626
>"Nice guys" are ones that call themselves nice
>No one is calling them nice but themselves
>"Nice guys"

You just called them nice, though.

>>36456674
In quote marks. If you don't know that they indicate sarcasm or insincerity, I can't help you since you're clearly too stupid to survive in this world.

>>36442718
>get timid virgin bookworm fembot gf
>"idk anon i kinda liked your cockiness"

yeah nah
girls who say they don't have anything against nice guys are just not conscious of their bias

>>36456626
I doubt that, plenty of those guys have been called nice by others, so logically they'll think they're nice people. What you're saying is very convenient to people who want to feel they've been 'tricked' and that's a load of shit. There are no victims, the bare fact is niceness != attractive.

The point stand though, the question does not take what you say into account because that's all very juvenile. Words mean exactly what they mean.

>>36456712

News flash, Einstein: if you verbally call someone nice with the most sarcastic tone in the history of planet Earth......guess what? You still called them nice

If I pick up a rock from the ground and sarcastically tell my friend "hey look Jim, I found a fish. Let's see if it can swim" and then I throw it in a nearby river.....the fact remains that I still called the fucking rock a fish. You can't say I didn't call it a fish just because my tone suggested that I knew damn well that it wasn't really a fish

If you say only "nice guys" call themselves nice, then you immediately contradict yourself because you just finished calling them nice as well, regardless of your intention behind doing so. Fact.

>>36456712 where the hell was I when the world decided that punctuation marks changed the definition of words in the english language?

>>36456923
If you're going to be that autistically semantic, there is no reason to argue with you.

>>36457012
since last week, fun fact that question mark means you were talking about math

>>36442718
Because men like and want to be badboys so naturally they assume that women must also like badboys, and since they can't be badboys they want to have sex with badboys.

let me let you in on a dirty little secret...

WOMEN MAKE NO GODDAMN SENSE. NOT A LICK OF IT.

men are rational and 99% of the time they have a reason for what they do. women are dumbfucks operating on emotion and there is zero point in trying to make sense of their actions. the sooner you learn this the happier you will be.

>>36456712
The thing is, if you tell people someone is nice, they'll assume that person is, well, nice. If that person isn't actually nice, that makes you look stupid. If you try to explain it's 'sarcastic', not only does that make you look stupid but you admit what you're saying doesn't actually make sense at all.

Seriously, I've never seen this ultra-negative connotations used so much outside these sort of internet hubs. Many of the guys are nice but are lacking in many ways. They want sex obviously but that's normal. Most often they want the whole romantic shebang, of which sex is a part. Perhaps they go about things the wrong way (seriously, they are guys who fake nice and are successful, they actually know what they're doing). In which case, they should work on themselves. Everyone should seek kindness anyway, a real virtue. Niceness is like politeness, it's for social cohesion. It makes us feel good but it's not always good, and I can't help but feel people complaining about those guys are no less self-centered than they may be.

>>36448746
Tell that to all the murderers in prison that get tons of love letters and even marriage offers.....not to mention getting to impregnate female prison guards

>>36443357

Yup. Right in between all their cash.

>>36443578

I get your point but like how is that even a bad thing. If a girl I agreed to go on a date with tried to trap me to fuck her--I would fuck her! Fuck women and their bullshiiitt

>>36444721

The premise here is bull though. Wanting to have sex with your date is not a 'fake nice guy' attribute--the two of you are only going out in the first place BECAUSE you're attracted to each other. Women just make dating unnecessarily complicated.

>>36446278

Looks don't matter to women man, full stop. It's all about height or wealth--preferably both. If by looks you meant height, then excuse me.

>>36448746

Naw man it's a trick question. Girls don't go looking around for nice guys or bad boys. They're looking for status, wealth, and height.

>>36449859

This is so bullshit.

Original comment captcha fuck off

>>36442718
Being a nice guy = / = being a good guy

Think of it like Batman and Joker
Batman isnt a virgin loser

>>36455339

Same. If I could take a pill and be gay I would do it in a heart beat. Men are so much better at everything.

>>36442718
LMAO, what shitty polling. Asking different groups a different question and expecting to extrapolate any kind of meaning? You realize that, statistically speaking, this is WORTHLESS, right?

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>>36442718
But there's no indication based on that data that being nice would HELP a guy's chances either.

being a nice guy means doing it out of the goodness of your heart cause you're just so gosh darn empathetic and not for da pussi since going for the pussy is bad and sexist

>>36458323
Neither is the Joker, you retard.

>>36442718
I've always been split on being a bad boy since I kinda was one in middle school and get girls attention because of it but my mom always told me she fell in love with my Dad because he was had strong morals and was a good person.....Do you have to be a moralfag to wife a good girl?

>>36445592

The world we live in is fucking shit, so we're programmed to act like filthy beast of the Earth instead of following whatever illusionary romantic ideals we're programmed with. Women are programmed to be whores and to acquire resources. It sad, but it's a lesson all. I've guys have to learn.

The funny thing is that this place has only reinforced these beliefs. Every time some filthy failed roastie comes here looking for attention, it's always the same script. Attention, Chad, and resources. We are hated by god men. This place is truly hell. Only saving grace is Mexican food.

Terminology is different for each gender

What "guys" think Nice Guy means - Quiet and meek fellow who internally has very good intent but doesn't put himself out there.

What "Girls" think Nice Guy means- Outgoing and Funny guy who is friendly to everyone and has a positive outlook on life.


What "Guys" think Bad Boys are- Guys who are good looking and know how to "play" girls, meaning they know how to seduce them. These Bad Boys are also assholes and "fucc bois" with bad morals.

What "Girls" think Bad Boys mean - Anti-social guys who are always angry and mean. Alcoholics and drug addicts. Don't know how to talk to girls.

>>36458579
This . I always get more attention from girls when I'm an asshole to them. Girls are disgusting creatures. It seems girls like me more when I pretend I had sex with a ton of girls, be the asshole type to them, and is rude to other people.

I remember I was at this party once and talking to this girl who had a bf from another college. I told her that her dress was ugly and she wouldn't stop hovering around me the whole night. We played drinking games all the time she kept remarking "Wow this guy is such an asshole, lol". I've bragged openly about all the girls I've fucked (bluff) and she was disdainful saying " wow maybe you should stay away from all the sluts" or something like that. And there was an awkward guy at the party , I think he had autism. I openly made fun of him and called him a creepy sloth (it was funny at the time) and she goes "..anon, stop that's mean. don't do that".

Long story short I ended up fingering her that night and touched her bare boobs after wards. So yes, girls like bad boys. And I'm sticking with that because I've seen far more examples of asshole getting the girl, than nice and good men.

>>36442718
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRkFEMUDwwU
>Women believe that litteral pedophile cultists will save the world.

I say "Sorry?" when I don't hear/understand what someone said. I have been told by several girls that it's "Too polite" and "unattractive" women just fucking lie about what they're attracted to because they don't want to look or feel like whores. It's that simple.

>>36458579
The thing is being a person of strong moral conviction falls within the same moral archetype of leader of men. Your father didn't bend to social convention, he did what he thought was right. That is assertiveness, dominance, and status. That is what women desire.

They also desire thrill, so be careful with that, because that can be your undoing.

>>36459000
>those trips
it is so!

>>36459126
Just because the world is evil does not mean we have to be. What you did to that man is evil. In a world of survival of the fittest, there will always be someone bigger and stronger than you. Be careful you yourself are not stepped on by the boot you so eagerly step on others with.

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>>36445592
>Many of them hold a secret distain for being called nice
Last week the girl who I used to have a crush on called me a "great guy" and it's been bothering me since but I didn't know why. I guess I know now.

>>36459336
If you dont want to get shit on then dont come across as a target. He got what he deserved

>>36442718
Those are two different questions.
The study is inherently flawed.

Because women say whatever sounds the nicest, whether it's true or not. Whereas men don't give a shit if something is nice or mean sounding.

>>36442760
That makes it even worse difference wise.

It's not the nice guys that finish last, it's the boring ones.

>>36459915
>If you dont want to get raped then dont come across as a target. She got what she deserved