USA are shit, right ?

It entirely depends on where you live, anon.

>>36260590
In what ways is the USA a shittier version of Europe?

Well we are not overrun with rapefugees for starters.

You mean the Feminist Nation Of Cucks ?

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>>36260676
aay lmao
as if it matters that they are refugees
enjoy your (((diverse))) country!

>>36260606
What is a good place to live then ? Where religion is not shoved in your face everywhere and people are not telling shit on each other at any time of the day.

>>36260642
The way your society look really "fake", and the fact that there seems to be a much higher social pression on individuals tu make them fit into the mold. Also we have more fresh products and beautiful historical pieces nearly everywhere.

>>36260590
Ive lived in both Europe and the USA, in my opinion the USA is better. Virtually they are the same, but I like the US city life, its very comfy. Also there wont be mudslimes here for a lot longer, and once wwiii kicks off it will be the safest place to be I think.

>>36260676
I'm not gonna argue on that point, politics deal really poorly with he refugees, that's a fact. Bit since we're the one who busted their homes, it looks fair to let hem come.

>>36260758
Yeah, that's a good point. Where did you live in europe ? I live neer Paris, and went to Berlin and Vienna and these are all pretty comfy cities as well, except it's expensive as fuck to live right into the capital

From the outside at least Murica just seems to be going more to the extremes, for better or worse.
Rich are richer, poor are even more fucked. More clean and nice when you live well, more crime and violence when you do not.
Stuck up and asexual to the max in some corners, degenerate like crazy in others.
Its either heaven or hell, with the neutral, more balanced parts being pretty much flyover states that noone but the locals give a shit about.

>>36260721
Not really that much social pressure. Religous people are mostly nice.
>God bless you have a nice day
Oh you fuckin dick!

>>36260801
>Yeah, that's a good point. Where did you live in europe ? I live neer Paris, and went to Berlin and Vienna and these are all pretty comfy cities as well, except it's expensive as fuck to live right into the capital
I lived in London for a while Paris and a short time in Bitburg Germany. Its expensive but nice, really I think the only thing bad about the US vs Europe is the political leaders here are retarded. But really, it doesent matter too much if you just dont bother with it.

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>>36260801
>paris
heh

>>36260910
Paris is beautiful but I don't like how there are Africans trying to sell me shit everywhere I go

I live in a third world country Mine is worse

>>36260828
What I meant by social pression is that when I read here how people are left without help and crushed under multiple nonsensical fees. From the outside it seems there is only one way to not be a poor fuck in america, and if you are, people will just continue to spit on you until you die. it's on /r9k/ it must be true

As a californian, if the state, or some part of it wrre to secede from the union I would gladly be signing up to shoot midwestern people who try to cross our new border and threaten our way of life.

Fuck being backwards, let them have thr crappy country in the center.

lmao, thats poopoo

>>36260948
I don't now if they ever sell anything except to asian tourists, but ffs they're annoying.

>>36260968
Where do you live by curiosity ?

>>36261010

I as a Midwesterner would gladly build and pay a wall around Commiefornia. How many more states can you ruin? You've ruined your own state with Mexicans and ruined Oregon, Washington, and Colorado. The only question is, "what state won't you ruin?"

>>36261005
Oh, I see what you mean. That is completely true. Also, medical fees are really high and they will fuck you up if you're poor so you better not get sick and be poor
>>36261010
>I want to shoot people
>They are backwards

>>36261010
Fucking lol I live in dallas and there are Californians coming in droves to leave your terrible fucking state

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it's not called dumbfatistan for no reason

>>36260590
I'm Canadian, love it up here, but the USA has some of my favorite travel destinations.
This site's userbase is not a good representation of the average American.

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>>36261217
Oh yes I want to fuck you while you call me dumb and fat OHH

>>36260590
Usa is mostly over rated true, but its one of the few countries that are actively opposing multiculturalism and the spread of Islam.

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>>36260590
>richer version of Europe
only if you live in one of the rich areas, else it's just as poor as the poor parts of Western Europe, only without free health care and bennies

>>36261303
>actively opposing multiculturalism
you are aware the US is 56% white?

>>36260590
You know why U.S. is shit? Because of niggers/spics and their crime. So yeah U.S. is basically a shit version of europe. But yeah even Europe has changed.. I am so lucky I live in a country where niggers or refugees are almost NON existent. So yeah here goes your answer.

>>36261465
I also saw somewhere that common life supplies are cheaper in the USA (but the food is garbage), so on the average you need less to maintain a proper quality of life. Your missing of health care sucks though.

>>36261494
You are aware that is fake news?

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>>36261633
Oh right, those spics are all """""white""""" aren't they. No mass immigration and multiculturalism going on here!

>>36261665
Stop taking what you read on /pol/ as facts, esteban.

USA is a white nation and always will be.

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>>36261735
>always will be
you're already past the point of no return lol. Deny reality all you want, it won't change the facts.

A stupid country is the perfect place for an .intelligent person to live
So no US is not shit.

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>>36260676
We have nogs and spics though

OP, you have to understand something: One American's experience is not generalizable for the whole country/group. The U.S. is the size of the European continent up to Russia. Each region and subregion in the U.S. have vastly different takes on way of life, accent, customs, culture, food, politics, religion etc.

You can have a culturally homogenous experience in a very small State like Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine etc., and basically have almost a Nordic experience here. There are places in the U.S. that parallel the most socialist/liberal parts of Europe.

Then there are places like the South, Texas, Panhandle, Southwest, Midwest West, that have very unique American experiences, that are unlike what you might experience in Europe. These places are more like what you see as 'average middle America' in movies/popular culture. Most of these areas are 'flyover' places like you mentioned.

Then there are the two mega population regions in the US: Southern California and New England/North East. Here you will find the most vapid, degenerate, and cosmopolitan American parts of the country, but most also the only places worth visiting as a tourist.

Then on a microlevel, different neighborhoods segregate on class/race and schooling/infrastructure/politics will dramatically shift from 5km to another etc,. So you can pull two Americans from the same city/town and they can have vastly different experiences.

So the TL;DR: it's hard to paint all Americans with the same brush. Although, there are common thread - a national ethos that binds us, we are a nation very much divided.

>>36262216
Thank you for taking time to answer in such details.
I understand what you said about cultural differences between states, but that doesn't change that as I discussed with another anon, you are more easily crushed by life since you have few governmental helps and not a lot of differents ways to succeed. You may have different laws for each state, but a lot of things directly depend on the government, such as the lack of health care etc. (also read minutes ago that Trump just stoped giving money for abortion, you're litterally going back in time)

>>36262483
>(also read minutes ago that Trump just stoped giving money for abortion, you're litterally going back in time)
It was already illegal for the government to fund abortion.

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>United States of Freedom and God-Given Rights
>paying someone for sex is illegal
>police set up sting operations to catch would-be Johns
>streetwalker drug junkies are rampant and commonplace

>Yuropistan and the United Kingdom of George Orwell
>paying for sex is legal
>8s, 9s and 10s alike are available for escorting services
>free healthcare means free sexual health checks

It's like the USA wants to genocide all robots.

>>36262536
Nice but
>It was already illegal for the government to fund abortion.
How does that make sense ? If the government does it, that's legal. The government can do what they want in ther own land isn't it ?

>>36262602
And also legal weed in Netherlands (and maybe other countries) which is nice.

>>36262714
It is supposed to be the American people's land, they just administrate bullshit. Fallen a bit from this ideal...

>>36262483
I went for breakfast, my apologies.

Again, I need to suggest you that try avoid sweeping generalizations.

I don't think the U.S. is as bad on the poor as you think it is. We have a socialist state -- a safety net just like you. Anyone earning less than 20 thousand USD will qualify for government health insurance, i.e. 'Medicaid'; they will qualify for subsidized housing, i.e., 'Section 8'; And they will qualify for food stamps (allowance for groceries). There is even a program called 'WIC' which gives allowances to poor women in order for them to buy essential foods and supplies for their new children (diapers, baby food etc).

There is a nationwide law that says anyone can go to the emergency department and get provided life saving treatment, regardless of ability to pay. So even a homeless person having a heart attack, or whatever, will get treatment just someone with proper insurance etc.

So I just want to dispel that the US is a bad place to be a poor or dumb person. The poor are not left here on the street to beg for food; no one starves in America. Poor people can get acess to education grants for university or trades in order to move up in society.

That said, it is true that in America, that preventage care is more of a luxury. No one goes to the doctor too often because 'co-pays'. Everyone is super jewy about using medical services unless they have to because it is expensive. Also especially true if you are above the income threshold for free government insurance, but don't have an employee provided insurance plan. There are people in this limbo that usually get the horror stories that you will read on the news, reddit, or whereever.

>>36263391
I'm noticing I'm forgetting words or making a bunch of errors. I haven't slept yet, bare with me.

Cont.

The worst aspects about America. It is true also, that Americans get no federally mandated 'holiday' time or maternity leave. We value productivity almost as much as the East Asians. Even if you are given vacation time or sick leave, there is a stigma/shame in using all of it.

Being a NEET is really frowned upon. Welfare got reformed in the 90s in order to put a time limit on the amount of years people can receive welfare. You cannot be a permanant NEET here unless you have a legit disability. And people on disability 'bucks' are some of the most shamed in the whole country, it's usually something that they will occult.

So going back to health care, yes, we do not have true universal coverage, and health insurers and doctors don't compete on the free market, so it's not even a true capitalist system. No. Indeed, doctors and health insurers are incredibly greedy and they will act as cartels in order to maximize their profit.

But the flip side is, we have a tremendous amount of funding for pharmaceuticals and medical science here. We have the best and most update treatments for things like cancer and rare diseases and very good outcomes in emergency situations. Hospitals--rather ironically--will spend a lot of resources trying to rescue someone, just so they can bill their insurance for as much $$$ as they can.

Finally, it's worth noting, because the vast majority of people are healthy until old age, statistically, it's unlikely for you to have a bad encounter with health care because you aren't going to be having encounters to begin with. The sensationalized stories you see on Reddit are the 00.01% of American health patients.

>>36263614
Why America is Good.

America has some of the most extreme economic mobility. Rags to riches stories here are embedded in popular culture, and it's not entirely fictional. If you at least average intelligence and have a good work ethic then you will almost certainly die in a higher class than you were born in.

America is one of the few countries in the world to have a codified constitution that guarantees basic freedoms against government infringement. Here it is virtually impossible to be jailed for speech unless you are literally calling for the death of the president or making threats etc. This phenomenon of hate speech laws/holocaust denial laws/far rich suppression laws in Europe would never be allowed in the US. It's simply impossible here to get jailed on racism like over there.

As for most important freedom. You have the right to bear an arm here as an ultimate line of defence from aggressors and from the government.

The national ethos here is very powerful. Healthy patrotism and nationalism is celebrated and encouraged. And it causes us, despite our divisions, to come together when needed as one cohesive nation. This is the only place on Earth with varied human tribes that have assimulated into one American culture. If the world ever unifies, then America would've been the blueprint.

Well, you can write endless walls of text in apologetics for America. I will agree with you that American, is a more bipolar place to be than other industralized countries. But America isn't exactly like Europe. And there unique American experiences and customs that make life very interesting here, more-so than say, Europe, and most other parts of Earth. Hollywood dramatizes some of it, but some things, you have to experience for yourself to understand them.

It's not something I can truly transmit over to you and get you to understand an American perspective. So I probably failed in that I didn't convince you to abandon some of your preconceived notions.

>>36263391
>>36263614
>>36263933
Again, thank you for your detailed answers.

So in the end it's not that different from europe because even with our medical coverage, having a complementary insurence is nearly mendatory if we want a complete coverage. It's just more expensive in the US but it is compensated by cheaper comsumables.
It's odd that despite having these programs, the US is still percieved in other countries as "not giving a shit about its sick people", and that people still can't stop complaining on every website (lazy people are never satisfied I guess).

Your whole part on the unity of the people is really interesting, and I think that, as long as it stays healthy, it's something that we lack of in European countries. But I personnally think that a generalized patriotism is not good on certain levels where people strat defining themselves around there appartenance to a group, but there's extremes everywhere.

I'm not really for free gun circulation, but that's part of your culture I guess.

At the end of this thread, I truly have a better opinion of the US, but I still find the European system is more comfy.

Explain what makes burgerland better than Canada please, I want to laugh at people.

>>36264261
No problem. If you ever get an opportunity in your life, try to travel to different 'flyover' parts of America. Make a road trip if you can. Places like the South, Midwest, Great Lakes, parts of the Southwest. You can be the next Tocqueville perhaps. But seriously, we have a huge country with varied geography and gorgeous natural beauty. Our National Park system is world known and is probably one of our best ideas. You should also see true Americans in those places, not vapid zombies in California, NY, or Florida etc.

I suppose you are correct that the E.U. is more comfy in terms of safety net -- it is stronger there. But again, try to see it from our perspective. You are being invaded by hordes of Moslem people who doesn't want to adopt Western values. You don't value speech as a fundamental unalienable right. And you don't value an armed citizenry. We are mortified about the prospect of government tyranny and fascism popping up like it did in 20 century Europe. Our founders entrusted us with the right to a gun, in order to overthrow a tyrannical (fascist) government and to protect from foreign invaders. Guns are misused, regrettably, but they are ensuring that America remains a free country. So, in these respects I feel comfier in the US. Europe has a history of fascism and you don't respect individual liberty to our degree.

>>36264361
Most of America doesn't freeze over every winter. We have actual seasons and different environments. Canadians are packed like sardines, 40 miles from the US border, because of their land is frozen tundra-wasteland. We have a greater emphasis on conservatives values e.g. family life, religion, traditional norms etc. We don't swear allegiance to some European fossil monarch etc.

But really, Canadia is just America-lite, in most respects. They're like to the left of California/New York and have even LESS culture/national identity than us.

I mean, I wouldn't mind to being a Canadian. But rather than ask what's so special about America, how about you try to answering what's special about Canada.

>>36264742
I may not want to live in the US at the moment, but I've always been interested to go there as a tourist since as you said, you do have a great variety of wonderful landscapes. If I ever can do the trip, I'll make sure to include trips to less known states as you suggested since your culture and way of life seems more different from european one than I thought.

I guess you're right about our rejection of guns and nationalism, since we're told since elementary school how awful it was once it degenerates.

I think we need this 'safety net' because your economy is more advanced and stable than ours. There's still a high percentage of people exercing jobs that are being replaced. Also as you said, you value productivity over individualism, so people are ledd likely to fuck up in their carrer.

In France we value a lot freedom of speech, but when it clashes with holocaust or subjects like that, it's true that we're less forgiving than you can be.