POLITICAL POLL

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>>36218281
originallly bump

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>>36218281
we all know what "other" means right?

>>36218440
liberals? conservatives? progressives? centrists? egoist anarchists?

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>>36218281
AnCap here, nothing better than triggering normalfags by being open about my opinions.

>>36218281
Lot of nuance in those choices op

>>36218440
>>36218494
Or socdems, distrubutists, mutualists, monarchists, theocrats.

OP's poll is bad.

>>36218440
>>36218494
>>36219033
Here you go.

https://strawpoll.com/af54f7d

>>36218917
Meh, Ancapistan would work but I'd prefer the minarchist/Hoppean approach because of foreign policy, which Ancapistan doesn't have (at least in unison). People are stronger together, though we don't really know the potential of Ancapistan during crisis, but I'd stick with what I know.
pls don't meme me for "giving up my freedoms for peace" pls dont bully

>>36219232
Fuck I forgot to include Traditionalism

Just select Fascism if you're an Evola fan

>>36219232
>million choices for the left
>only a couple libertarian
No, I think OP's poll is quite good at making the point.

>>36219261
I am a Hoppe libertarian, AnCap is just the general term I use for my ideology, since Hoppe libertarianism is only a approach of how AnCapistan should be accomplished and organized, not its own ideology.

>>36219358
Tell me, what notable types of libertarianism are there aside from classical liberalism, libertarianism, paleolibertarianism, minarchism, and all the ancap variants?

I even included agorism for the autists.
>million choices for the left
What the fuck are you on about? I could've made the list much longer by including all the forms of communism as well.

>>36219261
And I agree with you that people are stronger together, that's why I support Hoppe's idea of voluntarily formed communities, hence my score on Tribalism >>36218917. I am in no way in favor of globalism or anything your run of the mill modern "libertarian" advocates.

>>36219232
Friedman Ancap here, much better

>>36219366
Oh. I just think the Hoppean side of things isn't really ancap, it's rather minarchist _but_ is there a side I don't know about? Sorry for my skepticism but making a state in order to create an anarchy sounds kinda dumb, though, in the terms of AnCapistan, the playing field, the rules and the tactics are different.
I personally like the agorist approach (which every anarchist should use instead of smashing up trash cans) aka. fuck the government, let's start our own economy.

>>36219483
>I support Hoppe's idea of voluntarily formed communities
>I am in no way in favor of globalism

What exactly would be the distinction? What are we defining as globalism, and what are we defining as communities?

>>36219540
The thing about destroying the government in order to form a government isn't that paradox if you look at what these new "governments" should be: people using their right of free association to come together with like minded people. Current governments don't offer this. You are forced to accept things you don't necessarily agree with. Look at it as a reset so that this time nobody is forced into a state he doesn't agree with, but to achieve that you need to get rid of the government first, that's why it's AnCapism. And I agree with you that agorism is a appropriate way to fight against the current system, fighting anti market-liberal forces by weaponizing the market has almost something poetic to it.

>>36219549
Globalism is stuff like the EU, trying to put people under one flag, looking at them as collective rather than individuals. The EU is just a proto type of a one world government, the opposite would be total isolationism and regionalism. Only people who know each other and think alike associate with each other instead of thinking of oneself as a global citizen.

>>36218281
>Communist
>8 votes
I hope you all die

>>36219454
>I could've made the list much longer by including all the forms of communism as well.
Notice how we spoke about Hoppe?
Indeed, you could have also added "Ron Paul" libertarism "Hoppe libertarism" and so on. Even Molycuck has his own brand of libertarism. Everyone has their own ideas, it's just best to address the whole shebang as right-libertarian and the whole leftist spectrum as authoriarian left or the liberal left, just like OP did.

lol at any outside the green quadrant

>>36219679
>Hoppe
I included minarchism.
>Ron Paul
>Molymeme
I said "notable" types of libertarianism.
Not every special snowflake derivative of well-known political ideologies is meaningful.
I could've included bullshit like anarcho-monarchism too, but I didn't, because nobody cares.

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>Communists are the minority on this board
Oh thank god, I might of had to go full shutzstaffel on you robros. Anarcho capitalism isn't bad either, overall pretty impressed anonos

>>36219549
who /leftypol/ here?
not a lib or a commie but globalism is not about trade or movement between different communities. it's about dividing those communities, cultures and ethnic groups so the world could be unified and all that jazz. there is literally nothing wrong about that idea, and heres the catch, unless someone tries to use globalism to take leadership of this said unified world. think people like the rothscilds or mr soros.
this is why people peeps hate it.

>>36219705
>>Hoppe
>I included minarchism.
Minarchism refers to any small government, Hoppean libertarianism is its own thing. See what I mean?

>>36219776
Globalism can only work if you have a huge government representing it, otherwise people won't associate with each other, it needs to be forced. The more people need to be represented the bigger the government has to be, otherwise it isn't possible, you can't have stateless globalism. And here's the problem, once you've got a government, those running it WILL be corrupt, since they all naturally act in their own interest.

>>36219705
>because nobody cares.
Indeed, lets look at the bigger picture aka OP's poll
https://strawpoll.com/sc6a9bg

>>36219829
>Minarchism refers to any small government
You're thinking about the night watchman state.
>Minarchism is a libertarian political philosophy which advocates for the State to exist solely to protect citizens from aggression, theft, breach of contract, and fraud. Minarchists generally propose that the only legitimate governmental institutions are the military, police, and courts.
Minarchism as a term is generally used interchangeably with what you would consider to be Hoppean libertarianism. It's more or less the same thing.
Some minarchists might not subscribe to Hoppe's ideas and might have their own, but most of the time not.

>>36219858
>I don't know what nuance means
Stop being retarded

>>36219838
you are kinda right as i think the eu has the right approach
i don't claim it's perfect, in fact far from perfect, but the idea is to get states to work together while maintaining their autonomy, government and culture
you don't need world domination as some want to achieve healthy globalism, just stick with national agreements and try to improve your relations without killing eachother

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>>36219754
huh. neat. not original, either.

>>36219863
Eh, no.
Hoppe's ideas are minarchist in nature, but minarchism generally refers to a smaller state. The night watchman state is one of the options, but the functions of the minarchist state can be extended, reduced and modified.
The minarchist state is one that does _as little as possible during the current circumstances_ and that can be twisted to many directions.

>>36220034
Alright then, I made a mistake by not including Hoppean anarcho-capitalism. Aside from that, I think the poll is exhaustive.

>>36219958
The problem with the EU is that it doesn't want to maintain the autonomy of the states. People will tell you otherwise, but once people like Schulz appear, they'll cheer and show their true face. A unified single state EU would be pretty much a dictatorship. Why should a German sitting in Brussels be responsible for decisions concerning the life of a rural are in Italy? I just think bureaucracy is bad and the only right approach to achieve that is decentralization. Trying to unite too many people will always end in tensions, since despite every fantasy people supporting the EU might have, they are different, there is a reason Europeans have fought against each other for centuries. I hope the rise in nationalism is followed by a rise in regionalism, since the smaller the governed nation is, the closer it is to actually representing the interests of the people.

>>36220064
I think the poll is fine with just the basic shit, like the four basic areas.There is no point in stuffing every snowflake ideology me and you made up in there.

>>36220114
>>36220098
>>36220064
>>36220034
So are none of (you) going to check m quads?

>>36220098
true, true
the problem is the german/france domination of the whole thing and trying to change every country to conform with their standards

>>36220114
Say you include only the authoritarian right, authoritarian left, libertarian right and "libertarian" left
Some people are obviously not going to be satisfied because that list doesn't include stuff like natsoc, egoism, mutualism or traditionalism for example.
So either you half-ass it and make the choices as vague as possible, or you try to be as fully comprehensive as you can. I might've missed some stuff but I think being specific is better.

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>>36220000
Thank you for the reply anon, I will now reply to you and point out your outstanding luck regarding your repeating digits

Fuck all your polls

http://www.strawpoll.me/12734097

>>36220064
>exhaustive
except that you combined social democracy with democratic socialism, like a teenage Bernie supporter

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>>36220168
Thank you, sir. I appreciate the effort.

>>36220180
Where do you place egoist anarchism?
>>36220224
I don't know much about socialism, but I thought democratic socialism was closer to the classical Marxist view of socialism
I didn't combine social democracy and democratic socialism.

>>36219540
Agorism is where it's at.

>>36220248
This poll is just a spook

>>36220276
>I haven't read Stirner
Calling everything a spook isn't what it's about.
If you want to call everything a meme, read Zizek

>>36220248
Oh no, anon. Marx wanted a revolution where the proletariat take control. Democratic Socialism just means the proles take control through a normal democratic election rather than through a violent revolution.

Social Democracy, on the other hand, is just a liberal democratic system where capitalism exists alongside some welfare measures, like social security, progressive taxation, and NEETbux.

>>36218917
No wonder they become triggered. The lack of logic in ancap ideology is so large that only severe triggering serves as a worthy response

>>36220248
Egoist anarchism would probably be libertarian right. Being forced to share your property like you are in left "libertarianism" wouldn't really be in my self interest. Hoppe libertarian communities on the other hand could be easily run as a union of egoists. Nobody forces you to share, but if you want, you still can.

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>>36220341
>not replying with a counterargument
Thanks for contributing

>>36220180
Now this is good.
>>36220248
>egoist anarchism
>political chart
Aren't politics just a spook?

>>36220343
Stirners egoism is apolitical, there are different self interests for different people.

>>36220431
>Aren't politics just a spook?
A spook is an idea that you follow for any other reason than your own self-interest.
Even stuff like nationalism or religion doesn't have to be a spook as long as you acknowledge its influence on you and use it instead of being used by it.

>>36220453
Apolitical it is

>>36219232
Picked centrist bc I'm a burger and hate political parties

>>36220438
Yes, it is apolitical, but it would be naive to think one could achieve one's self interest in a totalitarian system. Hoppe libertarianism offers flexibility, if you have certain interests, you can band together with people who think like you. Nobody said Hoppe libertarianism makes it impossible to think or life differently, nobody keeps you from forming a socialist community, as long as you keep to yourself and don't force anybody to join or stay, you can do what you want.

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/pol/ just strolling by, I never really come here

I want a strong military, good R&D, courts and quality services (transportation, infrastructures) and enforced national borders. Immigration should be at a strict minimum and only allowed for skilled workers.
I don't want the state to promote progressivism but I don't want religious values to be the norm either. The only positioning a state should have regarding morality is the most basic common sense shit, like man+woman is the standard, fucking kids is not ok, etc.

Not sure about social security but people who want the rich to be taxed more just because they're rich are faggots.
However, banks and globalist financial institutions should be shut down because world finance fucks every country in the ass.
Basically, a nation should protect its own economic interests (no free trade), but within its borders, competition should be encouraged.

As a rule of thumb, anything that doesn't directly hurt people should be allowed but not paraded or proselytised. Let faggots blow each other but gay pride shit should be forbidden; allow brothels but no whores on the street; you get the idea.
However, the government should still have a lot of power and authority.

Where do I stand? Is there a political ideology that more or less corresponds to what I'm talking about?

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>>36220730
>>36220703
just read the OP, I'm a National Humanist and don't identify with anything listed in the polls
>oppose all war (except for funding Assad against ISIS as ISIS is our fault and responsibility)
>cut all foreign aid to Israel, redirect it to Iran, Syria, Iraq, and Libya as reparations
>expand the freedom of speech so that no opinion may be illegal, allow people to incite violence and encourage crime
>defend against pollution and climate change
>ban birth control pills to preserve our psychological and physiological health, fund all abortions as an alternative
>ban pornography (but it's far more important to remove the demand in the first place)
>require rigorous physical and mental conditioning in schools, ensure the young are healthy Aryans with good genetic hygiene, take the hormone-loaded processed poison out of school lunches and punish parents who give their children soda just as we would punish parents who give their kids cigarettes
>send fat kids to weight loss camps
>fund unavoidable campaigns against promiscuity and laziness
>expand food stamps so that no American may go hungry, but limit them so that they cannot purchase junk food
>universal healthcare for people who eat healthy, are not fat, and do not use drugs
>deploy massive oversight on harmful chemicals/hormones in environment and food, thoroughly control food and water
>regulate big business, deregulate small business
>sanction or seize businesses which defy the public interest or corrupt society
>separate church and state, abolish marriage and make it a religious decision
>nationwide stand-your-ground and concealed carry, encourage every citizen to own a firearm and use it against criminals and tyrants
>build a wall, but only deport illegal immigrants that have committed further crimes
>publicly fund elections, end lobbying
>build a space elevator

>>36220841
>National Humanist
So, natsoc?

>>36221872
Depends on your interpretation of NatSoc. I'm firmly against racism and white nationalism. I don't believe Hitler was a racist, at least in the modern sense of the term, he was racist against Poles but believed Persians, Japanese, Native Americans and more fall into the Aryan spectrum. I'm the kind of NatSoc that aligns more with moderate and leftist parties than with "far right" stuff like FN, golden dawn, etc

>>36221961
>I don't believe Hitler was a racist
Does antisemitism count as racism?
I mean I dislike jews as much as any /pol/ faggot but Hitler was pretty racist.
>FN
FN isn't far right though. It's pretty much national socialism in the purest sense: economic protectionism, rejection of globalism, etc

>>36220841
What is your opinion on the EU?

>>36222004
why do you dislike the jews :(
makes me sad desu

>>36222532
I dislike the (((jews))).
I don't necessarily dislike the everyday jew in general, although they tend to be unpleasant because of their culture.
Why does it make you sad?

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>>36222532
I don't dislike them, they are our greatest ally for a reason. Putting Israels interests before one owns' is the duty of every true conservative.

>>36222512
Better to try and salvage it than abandon it entirely. Same with the UN. It's important for Europe to be united (but stop the mindless immigration) if they want to remain relevant on the world scale and survive in the long term. Right now it's a mess, particularly on immigration, and needs an overhaul.

>>36218281
i like how we assume no one is democratic

>>36222597
Why is staying relevant for you? What does it give you, I sincerely want to understand that. I personally wouldn't mind living in a country like Switzerland. I don't care if my country is a great power, I don't need to be involved in anything to have a prosperous and free society.

>all these lib /pol/tards
>on a board that has a NEETbux thread daily

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I'm surprised, I appear rather moderate here, but people think I am an unreasonable extremist in real life.

>>36222702
What is your ideal form of government then?>>36222647
Why is staying relevant important for you*

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>>36221961
>I don't believe Hitler was a racist

>>36222817
racialism =|= racism

>>36222797
>What is your ideal form of government then?

The holocaust didn't happen, but it should happen.

>>36222893
I take you're a NatSoc then. No wonder people think you're edgy, it has been stigmatized for decades. But that isn't exclusive for NatSoc, every reactionary ideology is being called le ebil. That's what unites people like hoppe libertarians and NatSocs (in theory).

>>36222857
Attempting to gas an entire race is not as moderate as racialism.

What's the difference between natsoc and fascism?

What does fascism even stand for? As I understand it's basically ultranationalism, strongly restrictive of individual rights and with an economy controlled by the state

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>>36221961
Hitler hated the Poles because they were treating the Germans that they had gained during the Treaty of Versailles like absolute dogshit. Hortler warned Poland multiple times to stop doing such things to the German minority but Poland refused to listen. Poland started WW2 not Germany
>>36222004
All western civilizations were racist to a point during the 1940s but Hitler was more of a racialist. He didn't care if the different races worked together to accomplish various goals but Japan should be for the Japanese, Israel should be for the Jews, and Germany should be for the Germans
>>36223038
Ancaps are honorary aryans

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>>36223171
>t. JIDF

I was memeing m8

>>36223203
Fascism is more like a tool to implement certain ideologies. It's a system, while NatSoc is a ideology. You can use fascism to instll NatSoc, but don't necessarily have to. In early fascist Italy for example the fascist system was used by Mussolini's minister of finances to enact several economic reforms in favor of a free market that haven't been possible before because the parliament blocked them.

>>36223203
http://aryanism.net/politics/national-socialism-and-fascism/

>>36223210
>Ancaps are honorary aryans
Right of free association and discrimination my dude. Nobody should keep you from getting together with people you deem worthy and form a ethno nationalist community. Keeping people you don't want in out of that is your right, nobody should be forced to take in subhumans. I'm just more in favor of radical seccession in order to achieve these small ethnostates rather than a full on race war.

But hey, if niggers want to support lefties they'll get thrown out of the helicopters as well.

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>>36218281
I'm unironically an ancap

Hoppe libertarian.
Fuck degeneracy and fuck (((democracy))).

>>36224703
more or less with this fella

not sure what to do about the god that failed and all, but generally i'd call myself a lolbertarian that recognizes just how cheap rope is

all non-violations of the NAP are completely decriminalized at least by the federal gub'mint

all minor violations of the NAP (with consent of the aggrieved) are punished by forced labour on public works projects for a decent spell of time

all grievous violations are punished by a long drop with a quick stop. in public, and gibbet the corpse.

talked to a decent amount of who'd be termed normos around here and got a lot of consensus desu

>>36222550
i... i... I am a jew.

It's definitely understandable if you don't like the actions of some very prominent rich Jews, such as Soros, or if you don't like the US's defense of Israel, etc. It just often seems like that translates into "Get ready for the Day of the Rope, when we'll kill all jews!"

>>36224837
I'm not that guy, but I don't mind everyday Jews that much, your women often have large breasts.

>>36224875
That's why we're the chosen people, anon! :^)

So what would you advocate doing about the Jews? You aren't one of the "Day of the Rope" guys?

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Who /paleocon/ here?
>tfw Trump has turned his back on us

>>36224964
>You aren't one of the "Day of the Rope" guys?

I am, but I think making an example of the prominent promoters of degeneracy, like leftist professors, prominent activists and media personalities, would be more efficient and effective.

If we were to kill everybody we disagreed with, the right's retarded purity spiralling would result in there being about four people left in the country.

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>>36225073
different non-ashkenazi here

i'm not all that much of a racialist, especially compared to folk around here. sure, in comparison to your average norman running around IRL i'm probably full 14/88, but quite tame compared to this venue

but have you read The Turner Diaries? aside from the ham-fisted....white spiritualism bullshit, i actually really enjoyed it as a work of fiction. didn't really get my rocks off from blacks being painted as absolutely wholly irredeemable savages nor from the constant hangings

but honestly i thought it was a pretty good read, would recommend especially for someone more into this sort of a thing

it still taught me the cost-benefit of some good sections of strong rope coupled with lightposts, though!

>>36224837
>>36224964
Not that anon either, but the rich jews you mentioned are pretty much what we perceive as the elites. Those are the enemy, not some jewish person who doesn't even take part in their sheming. Removing the government probably removes over 50% of the jewish elite as well. The other elites won't be able to stay in their position, since without politicians they can't bribe them to enact laws in their favor. Rich jews only have the power they have right now because of corrupt politicians and nepotism.

>>36224973
Well, Trump has always been a populist, that is his most defining attribute, he is unpredictable. I'm an AnCap and supported him, too, because he was useful in weakening the establishment, but once he started pandering to exactly those morons, he bacame one of them.

>>36225259
see, that's something I think a lot of people agree with: removing the Elite. The politicians, the bankers, the 1%, etc. So then why say "Jewish conspiracy" rather than "elite conspiracy" or something like that?

>>36225073
Similar thing to the above: why blame "(((the Jews)))" for these things rather than just the elites or the SJWs?

>>36225428
These elites are surprisingly often jewish or crypto-jewish, leading to the assumption that their jewish ancestry being a (((coincidence))) is not very likely. I think there definetely is some truth in that stemming from the role of jews in Europe over the centuries, but thinking of every single jew as an evil mastermind is a bit overkill. I personally am only opposed to the elites I mentioned, but I think most anti semites on here are American who grew up with the image of the degenerate Hollywood jew. I'm not a burger so I've not even met a jew yet.

>>36225428
>Similar thing to the above: why blame "(((the Jews)))" for these things rather than just the elites or the SJWs?

Because when compared to the percentage of the population they make up, Jews are massively over represented in the groups that push degeneracy.

The politicians and bankers are just greedy.
They're often horrid people and are willing to throw you under the bus for a few extra dollars.
But they just want money or power.

But the people who want to undermine every value the West was built on, the people behind feminism, the people who push tranny and faggot shit, slutwalks, porn, racemixing, all of that filth?
It just feels so much more malicious, insidious and disgusting.
And there's so, so many fucking Jews at the forefront of it, either promoting it or financially backing it.

The SJWs are just dumb kids looking for some sense of purpose in life.
If religion, family, and nationalism hadn't been demonised for decades now, they'd have found fulfilment through those things like normal people used to, and wouldn't be turning to SJWism to find it.
I still want to hang the ringleaders.

Of course not every single individual Jew is part of this shit, but it's unfortunately getting to the point where they are acceptable collateral damage.

>>36225578
i chalk it up to a similar situation that we see in the U.S. with immigrants from south Asia; the only immigrant group in the US that draws welfare at a lower rate than average (east asians draw at the same rate, all others higher)

they're so fucking insular and supportive of one another, and while these fine curry enthusiasts have been at it here for about 50 years maximum buying up gas stations and hotels, Jews have been at it for centuries

they're a very insular ethno-religious group that provides members with a massive financial and social support net. starting with the christian authorities of the day outlawing usury and the Jews more or less cornering that shit, it's just gone on through the centuries

wouldn't say that Jews are inherently pernicious or backstabby; i would say that they are concerned primarily with their own ethnoreligious group to an extent that is completely unmatched outside of fucking tribesman

no surprise that they hold a volume of powerful positions and wealth that far outweighs their population or representation

plus that potent Khazar blood :^)

>>36225656
so you would have all jews killed or concentrated?

>>36226084
I don't WANT to do that, but if that is what has to be done, I would grudgingly accept it.

I would prefer to encourage peaceful repatriation, possibly give financial incentive for it.

Ideally, people would learn to identify attempts to subvert our culture and resist them on their own accord, but that's unlikely.