Why are you not vegan? Bitch

Because meat tastes so fucking great, you stupid piece of cock

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w-what do you want from us??
Ok what the fuck that was original who took that

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>>36213930

Because it isn't healthy. Homo.

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>>36214023

Hmm. It's almost asif vegans lack something others have...

she's trying to hide her roast beef flaps from carnivores, you see, not that anyone would want them though

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>>36214041

Can't quite... put my finger on it... what could it be?

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>>36214058

Maybe... maybe there's important nutrients that they might be missing out on?

>>36213979
Best argument. But think of those cows and chickens packed together, suffering all their lifes to get you some tasty meat? When you are just too lazy to cook something different! Idiot. You gotta THINK!

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>>36214071

Hmm... could it be?

>>36214071
fucking lying whore bitch

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>>36214087

Maybe it's dairy, meat and essential sugars these hippies are missing out on...

Hmmm. Hmmmmmm.

>>36214041
>>36214058
>Nutritional neglect only occurs in vegans and never anyone else
>Most vegan-raised babies die, and this is almost always due to nutritional deficiency
Mediacucks, every fucking time.

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Vaginas thinking they're worth more than animal products.

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>>36214090

Hmm. No, no no... vitamins aren't important.
Hugging trees! Now that's important.

>>36214083
>But think of those cows and chickens packed together, suffering all their lifes to get you some tasty meat?
Stop making me hungry anon

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>>36214125

Yes yes... hugging a tree will give you the vitamins your body needs. We are plants, after all. So lets photosynthesise too!

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>>36214140

B-b-b-but vegans are loving people! ;w;
They don't starve kids or nothing!

>>36214071
Damn she looks like a thicc daenerys

>>36214071
>800 calories per day
Okay but that's her fault. I'm vegan and actually overweight according to BMI (25.3) and I don't lack any vitamins. I'm not one of those annoying vegans though, eat whatever you want.

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>>36214163

Doggies love a vegan diet too!

Oh wait. It kills them. Just like it kills cats...

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>>36214179

Thankfully, this little fluffer survived the hands of it's cruel, horrible vegan owner.

Well done, fluffer.

>>36214179
Probably the grapes what did it. I think grapes are poisonous to dogs.

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>>36214201

And lastly, there really isn't such a thing as being vegan...

It's just a buzzword hippies will use to feel better about themselves, and so that they're more closer to "Muddah Earth".

I'll leave OP and his hippie friends alone in the thread now. To go wank off trees or lick tomatoes. Whatever is trendy today, I suppose.

>>36214023
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>>36214201
Holy fuck, you could have just linked all those images and not spammed half the thread with retarded news articles and shit that mostly push anecdote over actual backed-up evidence.

I'm a vegetarian. It's superior to both meat eating and veganism.

>>36214265
We wouldn't want to shit up the shit thread right?

>>36214294
You're just as fucking gay and clueless as vegans.

>>36214317
I'm neither. I'm not really a vegetarian because of muh animals and feelings. Never really liked meat and it's taste. Why do you hate me?

>>36214108
You don't need sugars. Vitamin and protein deficiencies such as What you're linking don't happen because of not consuming sugar. It's actually healthier to eat fatty, protein foods such as meat for your energy rather than sugars and carbohydrates. The keto diet is an example of this

>>36214388
The average brain consumes 120g glucose per day. It can use ketones from fatty acid oxidation to make up for part of this, but still requires glucose (which can still be supplied by liver gluconeogenesis, although much less efficiently than just eating it). Such long term dependency on ketones will lead to ketoacidosis, though, which fucks you up in many ways (hyperkalaemia, protein fuckups, hypocapnia, etc.), as well as starving your brain of its optimal fuel and reducing cognitive capacity severely.

tl;dr, yeah, you can just about live, but you'll fuck up multiple aspects of your body and probably damage your brain.

>>36214501
>ketoacidosis
Yeah, if you're a diabetic because insulin levels drop.

The keto diet uses ketones, which is made from fat, instead of glucose for energy, thus it's a high fat diet, but you still make bits of glucose because the keto diet isn't a zero carb diet, just a low one, so you won't have glucose problems when there's a substitute for it

It's a healthy diet, and your use of "probably" in your last sentence suggests you don't know what you're talking about.

My source: https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/keto

>>36214310
You missed the fact that a simple pill will make up for all the nurtrients vegan products don't have. And the pill itself is vegan.

>>36213930
What point is there to go vegan?
Animals taste good and there is no reason for us to feel bad about slaughtering them other than dumbass humanists projecting their desperate need for purpose by advocating for animals. There is completely no reason for humans to care about animals

>>36214930
>you still don't get it
It's ok lad. Not all brain were made to produce intelligence

>>36214997
Care to explain? If you really have a reason I'll convert

>tfw live entirely off of peanut butter and multivitamin gummies

>tfw spend like 50 dollars a month on food

fuck veganism and fuck eating meat, both are expensive as shit

>>36215035
>no response
veganism confirmed pointless

>>36215035

Better for the environment man.
Why eat an animal when you can hug it?

They have feelings too. You wouldn't kill your kids and eat them if they tasted good would you?

Animals are our children in a way. We shouldn't eat them.

>>36215253
>Animals are our children in a way.

Are you literally retarded?

>>36215253
Animals aren't human. Of course I'd care about my HUMAN children. Literally what purpose is there to care about animals? Why should their "feelings" even be taken into account when they're not our own species?

>>36213930
because I grew up on a farm gutting animals

like I literally don't give a shit about what I eat

>>36213930
>implying legs that fat could be of a vegan
KEK
what a pig tbqh

>>36214083
>But think of those cows and chickens packed together, suffering all their lifes to get you some tasty meat
Thanks, now I'm hungry.

>>36214997
You can't even type a coherent sentence

>>36213930
Because the last vegan thread has just fucking died. Go read the archive I ain't repeating the reasons here.

>>36215363
Not OP but I can't stand the fact that even in the last thread they never give any good reason on why there's purpose in caring about animals or how it's beneficial to us as humans to turn vegan/care about animals being slaughtered

The only thing they had was trying to pull at heartstrings because conditions of slaughter houses are bad.
Anything regarding here is pointless. Why feel morally responsible for animals? Where are the pointless "morals" stemming from?

>>36215363
>>36215469
The "vegans" are not really vegans. They are just trolls who post the same threads everyday and I lurk and shitpost because its fucking fun

>>36215469
it's not even consistent argument

if you think animal husbandry practices like factory farms are repulsive... then complain about factory farms, not somebody's diet

yes sure, factory farms exist because of the demand but people would still eat meat if they didn't exist so it makes no sense to complain about diet here

>>36215621
I wish I could debate with an actual hard core vegan. Not to try and prove them wrong, just to see how they feel so strongly about something so seemingly pointless

>>36215035
Buuuh.. brain need reason... brain no can think self! Duuuuurp

because it's extremely unhealthy.

>>36214265
buttmad vegan detected

how long does it take bruises to heal for you? do you have one of those malnourished potbellies that most of the vegan girls I meet have?

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I'm waiting for a good thread to come up but all I see is bait... gosh what happened to /r9k/. Just a few years of feminism, SJW, "boipucci" threads and now all I see is shit

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>>36215972
boipucci is the new /r9k/

robots OUT

>>36215839
this is obviously bait
original

I havent seen at least a single legit argument in favor of veganism that wasnt a strawman or an appeal to emotion

Because I hate animals.

>>36213930
I used to actually.

I used to also care and worry about all sorts of other things from all over the world, big and small.

Now I don't care. I don't go out of my way to intentionally eat animals that are mistreated, but I eat meat and that's just the way my life is.

Also because being vegan was always a fucking dumb contest to see who was the most smug and superior and it sucked.

>>36214930
>>36215035

Not him, but if there's a reason it doesn't even have anything to do with animal cruelty.

It's because soon there will be so many people on the planet, so many forests and wildlands and former famrlands turned into iphone factories, so much of the ocean will have been "bleached" and fished clean, that it will be unsustainable and impossible to eat meat.

But even then, we're more likely to eat insect proteins, which are actually healthier and more sustainable than any animal protein.

>>36214756
>My source is a blog
>But it has doctor in the URL so it's okay
kek

>>36214265
It's 4chan dude. Like when the facists on pol le helicopter bomb anyone that disagrees with them. Same users.

Everyone knows we should be vegan if we were actually nice.

>baww eat what i tell you to
Fuck off. If you want to eat fucking greenery, your call. I'll have my steak.

>>36216196
>Everyone knows we should be vegan if we were actually nice

How so? What purpose is there to being "nice"

>>36215715
There is a reason why veganism is so rare

The moral reasons don't stand up to scrutiny, the only possible reason you should consider veganism in the slightest is health reasons. Even then a meat encompassing diet would suffice.

>>36216234
Veganism is the healthiest diet. A properly managed vegan diet followed by anyone who isn't retarded will make you live longer than any other demographic.

>>36216262
>muh cancer diet is only slightly less healthy than a vegan diet

>>36216266
Health is a reason I'll accept for sure. I was questioning what he meant morally

>>36216287
I said it would suffice. Personally I am not willing to give up meat when my current diet fulfills all my requirements. Comprende, ese?

Want to explain to the rest of the class what makes vegan diets so superior? Give examples, friendo.

>>36214023
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>>36214125
>retards who don't know how to go vegan
I feel fine and my blood work is good (just donated blood today)

lol

>>36216266
But what if your quality of life is affected because you aren't eating anything that you want to eat?

>>36216323
Some vegans are retarded and put humans and animals on the same level. Though I don't like animals suffering and I deliberately avoid meat and animal products were practicable and possible but I wouldn't say it's a moral argument. It's weak and subjective.

But anyone who claims to be healthy, is interested in health, etc but doesn't eat vegan is a fucking retard.

>>36216373
How old are you? Is broccoli still icky and makes your tum tum feel bad? Like what the fuck eat vegetables faggot.

Look up how farm animals are treaten. Is that ok in you opinion? If so. You have no soul. If not. Do something bitch!

>>36216465
most likely bait but

>Is that ok in you opinion
What purpose is there for it not to be? Why would not caring about something purposeless imply not having a soul?
Why feel morally responsible for animals?

>>36216400
Old enough to be your dad.

Your reading comprehension is shit, as is your faggy diet.

Spending ages on the toilet and eating ONLY fruit and veg while spending much more time to do so sounds like a shit life. I don't want the extra time on earth I gain to be spent eating.

>>36216580
>muh ad homs
>muh retarded argument that being vegan means you spend 30 years shitting and eating (what the fuck)
This is literally the dumbest fucking argument I've ever seen about anything. And the worst part is you thought it was a good point

>>36216365
This
You have to eat consciously to eat vegan. If you know your shit and plan your food intake there's nothing wrong with it.

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>>36213930
>Why are you not vegan?
I intent be vegan but usually i forget i'm vegan and i eat meat..

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>>36213930
Because I simply don't see any reason to not eat meat. (inb4 poor animals in factory farms)


No, meat eaten reasonably isn't unhealthy

>>36216685
>No, meat eaten reasonably isn't unhealthy
Citation required.

>>36216663
>>36216400
Is it ultimately worth the effort to go full vegan though? With no chicken/fish/any dairy products?
I assumed focusing on eating generally healthy with out so intensely restricting you diet would work as well. It seems unnecessary to go full vegan when there are healthy options

>>36216661

>muh ad homs
Read the post I responded to, dipshit. Just responding accordingly. Not only that, my insults have no bearing on my argument, so it isn't ad hominem you fucking twit.
>30 years
What are you implying? That vegans live 30 years older than the average human?

Oh fuck off you stupid wanker

>>36216580
vegans spend less time on the toilet because of the retarded amounts of fiber in their diet

>>36216465
read
>>36215626

given that nobody has bothered to respond I'll assume nobody can

>>36216731
No. You don't get it. There is no "healthy" eating without veganism. It's like claiming to just do a bump of coke every couple of days as opposed to quitting completely.

I feel better on a vegan diet than I ever did. Just take B12 because not a lot of food outside of meat is supplemented with it. And yes, all meat is supplemented with B12, it's why it contains it.

>>36216746
>half his argument contains insults
>b-but it's not related and totally doesn't try to paint you, and thus your argument negatively!!
Such a sneaky cunt.

>That vegans live 30 years older than the average human?
30 years longer than you faggot

>>36213930
Veganism is a cult of virtue signalling, think of the animals man.

>>36216771
It appears you are correct, thanks for the info.

>>36216814
Okay, it was ad hominem. But it was non fallacious, you pointing out the fact is not useful to the discussion and just makes you look like a crybaby.

>30 years longer than you faggot
Don't even know what you are trying to say here, kek. You clearly don't write English fluently, please reframe what you are trying to say.

>>36216814
>It's like claiming to just do a bump of coke every couple of days as opposed to quitting completely.

No it's not, do you consider grilled chicken/fish to be as bad as doing coke?
Is eating some strawberry yogurt or one of those little pin wheels of cheese with some crackers that terrible for you?
If you're eating fresh fruits and veggies as well as those things and avoiding processed overly sugary foods I can't believe that makes you unhealthy.

>>36216894
>Okay, it was ad hominem. But it was non fallaciou
now you're just saying retarded shit
how can an ad hominen be non-fallacious?

entertain me

>>36216894
>Don't even know what you are trying to say here, kek
>Your reading comprehension is shit
The ironing.

>>36216941
Last time I checked heart disease was the primary killer of people, not overdoses. So yeah, your occasional meat dishes add up and at 50 years old you're clutching your chest wondering if you're going to die and trying to figure out where it all went wrong

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>mfw 6'6" (non deformed vegan)
>mfw 6'2" carnicuck """""men"""""" fucking exist

Serious question, why are carnicucks such a fucking joke?

>>36216808
But YOU can stop eating meat. Dirty cocksucker. Try to killa cow yourself and see how happy you feel inside afterward.

>>36216975
that's red meats...

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-disease/in-depth/omega-3/art-20045614
>If you're worried about heart disease, eating one to two servings of fish a week could reduce your risk of dying of a heart attack.

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/HealthyLiving/HealthyEating/Nutrition/Eat-More-Chicken-Fish-and-Beans_UCM_320278_Article.jsp#.WO56OYjyvIU
>Chicken and fish have less saturated fat than most red meat. The unsaturated fats in fish, such as salmon, actually have health benefits. Omega-3 fatty acids, found in fish and some plant sources, may reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease.

>>36216526
Lol nigger you got to be a liw life idiot. Did your mom try to abort your poor assbut failed halfway through? Don't breed. Die alone. Go to hell. See you no more.

>>36217028
I killed small game before, pretty sure big wouldn't phase me either. Also the rabbit was delicious.

>>36217076
Does this just mean you can't answer the question?

>>36217028
Why feel morally responsible for animals though?

>>36217028
how are you going to stop millions of people from eating meat which is what they consider completely normal and acceptable without resorting to authoritarianism? not gonna happen kiddo

also I have butchered my own animals, it feels like fucking nothing get over it and is probably far more ethically consistent since I source my own food than you importing chia seeds from across half the world leaving a massive trail of carbon footprint behind you

Because I'm vegetarian and can't stop eating cheese.

>>36217047
Can you post scientific studies not just shit you pull off the internet? Do you think the Heart Organisation is going to survive and get funding if they start telling meat eaters to stop completely if they want to be healthy? They're enablers par excellence.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21076725
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22836072

A bloo bloo bloo chicken aint good for you

>>36217151
I can't stop nobody. But I know that killing another animal without absolute need is insane. You are insane.

>>36217254
okay now you're getting boring, name calling is stale on 4chan of all places

>>36217194
grilled chicken I was referring to. Fried/rotisserie I won't argue isn't bad.

>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21076725
This is about egg yolk. Not grilled chicken/fish

>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22836072
>However, the role that beef consumption specifically plays in promoting adverse changes in the cardiovascular risk factor profile is unclear.
>CONCLUSION:
Changes in the fasting lipid profile were not significantly different with beef consumption compared with those with poultry and/or fish consumption. Inclusion of lean beef in the diet increases the variety of available food choices, which may improve long-term adherence with dietary recommendations for lipid management.

This proves nothing against grilled chicken/fish

>A bloo bloo bloo chicken aint good for you
why do you talk like that

>>36217349
>This is about egg yolk. Not grilled chicken/fish
Eggs are chickens anon. Or do you think fetuses aren't human too?

>This proves nothing against grilled chicken/fish
>If you don't find a study that specifically looks at my preferred method of cooking it's invalid
>W-what do you mean it doesn't change the nutritional profile of the meat?
You're a fucking idiot. Do you think the cholesterol and all the fat MAGICALLY disappear because you grill it? Grilling is guaranteed to produce heterocyclic amines. You're better off boiling it or baking it. Or you know. Not fucking eating it you retard.

>why do you talk like that
Why do you cry about the foods you like to eat being bad for you?

>>36216975

>The ironing
confirmed for johnny foreigner.

>>36217349
>why do you talk like that
because he's multi-post trolling, read through the thread

you can smell it by the writing style and the fact that he chooses to avoid answering to certain posts

>>36217424
>Eggs are chickens anon
Wrong

Cooking methods do change nutrutional content in food. Grilling makes meat lose a large amount of its fat, and the fat takes cholesterol with it

>>36214756
Maybe not, but I'm pretty sure my lecturers in med school made it pretty clear that these diets do this kinda shit to your body.

>>36216957
That is my point, nit wit.

The fag I responded to falsely claimed ad hominem even though adressed his argument, so I was making fun of him

>>36217424
>This is about egg yolk. Not grilled chicken/fish
>Eggs are chickens anon. Or do you think fetuses aren't human too?

Well chicken eggs aren't fish. Do you really think that eating an egg is the same as eating a cooked fully grown chicken?

>Do you think the cholesterol and all the fat MAGICALLY disappear because you grill it?

Do you think eating a french fry is the same as eating a raw potato? The way things are cooked influence the food.

>Grilling is guaranteed to produce heterocyclic amines. You're better off boiling it or baking it.

So you admit cooking it differently affects the food in different ways. I'll look into baking chicken, thanks.

>Why do you cry about the foods you like to eat being bad for you?

I'm not, just curious. I have questions, I'm not passionate about this, and if I'm proven wrong I'll accept that.

>>36217439
huh you're probably right. I was blinded by my love of debating with random strangers on the internet

>>36216234
Monkey see monkey do and

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>>36217474
>Grilling makes meat lose a large amount of its fat, and the fat takes cholesterol with it
Do you have a study that proves this or is this just more of your feelings?

>>36217434
>being this new
>plebbit
>etc

>>36217553
>Change argument from chicken to fish
>WELL YOUR STUDY DOESN'T SAY FISH IS BAD
>HA I WIN
Jesus you people are retarded

>Do you think eating a french fry is the same as eating a raw potato?
Can you prove that it isn't sans additional fats as a result of frying it?

>So you admit cooking it differently affects the food in different ways.
Not in the way you want it to mean. Heterocyclic amines are a result of the cooking process. They are produced when meat is heated. Baking probably creates them too. I'm not looking it up to find out

>if I'm proven wrong I'll accept that.
What you say and what you're doing are two different things

>>36217439
>If you don't agree with me you're a troll
How old are you? Are you the same cunt who won't eat vegetables because they are still icky?

My first post was in reply to some cunt posting a blog in support of his keto diet

>>36217610
>plebbit
>I'm a meme-master and you just got coaxed into a snafu (translation: I was only pretending to be a retarded)

>>36217610
>Change argument from chicken to fish

I've been talking about grilled fish the entire time, grouped in with chicken actually, saying "grilled fish/chicken".
That was one thing that was never addressed so I mentioned it again.

Honestly I'll admit the rest is getting into nutrition stuff I don't know about.

>if I'm proven wrong I'll accept that.
>What you say and what you're doing are two different things

We never really concluded anything I didn't still have a question about. Refer to
>36217553
>I'm not, just curious. I have questions, I'm not passionate about this, and if I'm proven wrong I'll accept that.

But eh, I guess I can't really keep disproving this in depth nutritional stuff I don't know about.
Maybe I'll look into it later. It really doesn't matter, maybe not and die at 50 from a heart attack.

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>>36213930
I totally get why people are vegetarian. 2bh the only reason I'm not is because it'd be a pain in the ass when my parents cook for me.
When I was at university I didn't eat meat unless the situation was thrust upon me.

>>36217779
I hate talking about fish because it's more complicated than poultry and red meat. It requires a bunch of studies to build an argument.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23735203
The fatty acid omega 3 might not be as good for you as thought and this study warns that it shouldn't be recommended until followups are performed.

There are some studies that show it increases the risk of developing lethal ass cancer but I can't find them at the moment. I'll keep looking.

Most of the issue with fish is that it contains industrial pollutants and chemicals due to ocean pollution. Even fish in rivers and streams can be polluted with prescribed medications. This is the idea behind why people say there is estrogen in water. So many women take it and then piss and it gets dumped into the waterways.

I'll keep looking for the ass cancer thing.

>>36214255
whenever i see that picture i can feel the butthurt of the person who posted it and i like it

>>36217884
I can't find it so I'm assuming I'm conflating with fish increasing ass cancer with some other meat. Maybe it was chicken. It wasn't red meat iirc.

I actually don't mind if people have fish once a week. It's the only thing that probably isn't TOO bad for you and the Okinawans are the second longest living group after the vegan Seventh Day Adventists.

>>36214083
who give a shit? I worked at a farm for 2 years, I beat the shit out of animals because they are fucking cunts

>>36217650
if you're going to try to turn it around by changing how you write to how I format my posts

with a space like this in between the points I'm tryinf to make, you gotta pay attention to the fact I don't capitalize first letter of the sentence dumb phone poster

you're a troll because you resort to insults in every single one of your posts, and not even subtly trying to ignore what other people in the thread are responding to you with

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Friendly reminder that if you aren't vegan you aren't a good person.

Eating meat this day and age when you perfectly could forgo it is beyond cruel. You are worth no more than normies.