Therapist/Counselor Thread

>>36208680
If you pose no threat to yourself or others, you can spill it out to therapist.

>>36208703
What if I do? Is that where they will do something?

It sounds like you're worried about a psych ward being on your record. So what's more important TO YOU? Your mental health or job prospects?

>>36208927
I'm worried about people judging me for being there.

>>36208982
What people? Family? If you're worried about hurting yourself, you need to see someone.

Psych wards really aren't that bad

The state hospital is where shit goes down. But you only go there if you're a criminal, or you try to kill yourself in a regular ward.

>>36208680
For most people it seems to range from at least a positive experience to life changing. its was pretty fucking horrendous for me. first i got was some dude who literally was "lmao instead of being anxious just do it" tier then i tried changing and then they put me with the same guy again. then i got some lady( she wasnt bad looking but not attractive either. and she just was perplexed at me and kept arguing that because i was a 24yo virgin(at the time now 27) must be because i dont like girls. miserable experience wouldn't recommend. The only thing i learned was to NEVER admit to being a 18+ virgin, not even to therapists.

>>36208719
If you tell them about plans to harm yourself or others, they will put you in a psych ward. But they will give you the option to go voluntarily. Trust me, voluntary admittance is way better than involuntary.

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>>36208680
>Tried to go back to therapy because of my paranoia, anxiety and host of other problems like my therapist from a couple of years ago suggest I do after my ""theraputic break""
>GP just wrote down the number for some over the phone CBT crap and increased my meds.

Im not phoning that fucking shit, im paranoid about phones and stuff and who knows whos on the other end. Feeling even more dumb and frigid than usual but I am slightly more relaxed too.

>>36209054
>The only thing i learned was to NEVER admit to being a 18+ virgin, not even to therapists
I told that i was virgin at 24 to me therapist, she didnt tell anything negative.

>>36209056
>go involuntarily
>lost a burner address
>some poor sap gets put in the ward instead of me

>>36208680
Also OP, I only know the law for my own country, the UK. But they can only section you if you say that you WILL kill yourself, they will ask you if you have a plan to do it and the means to do it so if you say that yeah you have the equipment and you are going to do it then will section you but if you just say you have suicidal thoughts and stuff then no they wont section you. Dont worry, you can talk about that stuff as long as you dont say that you are definitely going to do it for certain.

>>36208680
I've never understood why they try to 'help' suicidal people by confinement. If someone trying has decided that they would be better off not being alive then let then make the choice. Then again 'their' social machine would just fall apart if everyone just decided to check out (why says that it is more a societal interest in keeping people alive than concern for the individual)

>>36208680
Therapists help keep your life going in rehabilitation mode.
Psychiatrists are for more serious questions like suicide.

At the end of the day the best psychiatrist is yourself. No one else can see inside your mind better then yourself for only you know your true intentions.

The millions of things you think in a week are all best managed by you.

Try flupentixol, I'ts a great anti-psychotic.

As you get older it gets better.

>>36209171
Dont recomend OP anti psychotics. Those things make you gain weight and are seriously heavy duty on the mind like a last resort. OP just needs frontline anti depressants and someone to talk to for now at least.

>>36209196
Nah this drug's different it mimics the feeling you have when you get the flu but without the illness. No weight gain nothing.

>>36209153
You can't kill yourself, that would be destroying government property.

>>36209257
FUCKING DEEEEEEEPP

INCLUDE ME IN THE /R/4CHAN SCREENCAP
SHOUTOUT TO MY MOM

>>36209056
What do they do in an involuntary case?

>>36209056
>You can """"Volunteer"""" but you HAVE to volunteer otherwise we force ya.
Hah

>>36209298
Usually cops come and put you in handcuffs, you have to stay longer usually, and it is a stain on your record after you get out. (Jobs and owning guns and stuff like that)

>>36209196
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What if I told a therapist that I have urges and fantasies to kill myself and others (I'm not going to go into detail here)

>>36209056
Anyone here ever gone to one voluntarily? Share your experience.

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>>36209330
Yep. As soon as you admit to planning or taking steps toward harmful acts, you WILL be spending some time in a psych ward.

>>36209330
Because wanting to kill yourself is not normal. And while I'm sure you have your reason it shows the society hasn't given up on you.

>>36209348
Cops come to your house for being suicidal? That seems like a bit of an overreaction

>>36209380
>be 18
>therapist wants me to get checked out at this place I'd never heard of (didn't know it was a psych ward)
>go there and talk to someone who then talks to a psychiatrist/psychologist
>puts some papers in front of me and tells me to sign so I can be admitted for a few days
>I hesitate and admit that I don't want to sign
>she tells me it's better to sign voluntarily, because otherwise they'll force me
>stay there for 5 days

Sure was an interesting stay, though.

>>36209402
For making a plan for committing suicide. Suicidal ideation (thinking about dying and wishing you were dead) will not get you in trouble, though. Just planning and taking steps towards harmful actions

>>36209380
Anyone here gone involuntarily? Share your experience.

>>36209436
Maybe she was just bluffing but did it help?

>>36209375
Probably not, there is always going to be a risk of getting sent away but like we are saying as long as you come close to the line of saying "I will kill myself/I will hurt or kill someone" then you can pretty much talk about your feelings and fantasies all you want and they cant touch you.

>>36209375
*Come close to that line without crossing it under any circumstances.

Just dont cross that line.

>>36209462
She wasn't bluffing, and it didn't help me personally. Other than my druggie roommate helping me find medicine that helped my chronic pain.

>>36209489
What would the line be? Telling them I have plans?

>>36209375
why do you want to kill other people anon?

i am fairly sure that if you do not state any specific plans for suicide or homicide then they can't involuntarily lock you away but with all of these high profile acts of violence these days, i can't promise that they wouldn't interpret what you say as a direct threat or active plan.

regardless of that, if you are having these thoughts then you definitely need help. it's not good to go it alone.

>>36209521
I have not discovered why I have homicidal urges and fantasies yet, maybe lack of power, anger, maybe I'm just fucked up.

>>36209594
something new in your life or always been there? how is your life going other than that? why do you want to kill yourself?

>>36209380
>>36209457
I was forced into them a couple times when I was 14. My experiences weren't nice. I wouldn't recommend it.

>>36209671
I have been depressed for a few years, never told anyone. Nearly went through with suicide twice. I guess it's a mix between social anxiety, numbness, interest in nothing, no future in sight and those urges I have told you. Sometimes I just get urges to smash my head through a wall or jump out a window. In terms of the homicidal urges, they are usually sexual (I'm not going into detail with that) However sometimes it's not sexual. Sometimes I would walk past my dog and I would have thoughts/urges in my head to strangle/kick it to death even though I love my dog. I have the same experience with humans too. I cut myself, it feels right to me for some reason. I honestly don't know what's wrong with me besides the depression stuff. Any ideas?

>>36209747
What happened? how and where did they force you?

>>36209504
Yes, a plan to do it and the means to do it. Basically saying that not only can you do it and think about doing it, but that you actually WILL do it.

>>36209858
I was taking adderall for my ADHD and felt like going off of it to see how I felt, so I asked and my psychiatrist insisted I try something else first. I couldn't get her to do what I wanted so I went with it, but I got stim psychosis from what she gave me, came back the next week and got thrown in the psych ward.

Came out on seroquel which I tried to go off of myself since I wasn't actually psychotic and only had temporary drug induced psychosis. I got seretonin syndrome and nearly died, went to the hospital, and was forced back in again after spending forever waiting to try to get help. I almost left.

I was in one hospital that time for a week where I was abused. Then I was transferred since that was a temporary emergency stay hospital, and spend 3 months in another one and it was basically prison.

>>36210136
When they threw you into a psych ward, did you just walk in and they took you there? Or did they go to your house or something and take you?

>>36209830
it sounds to me like a lot of pain led to numbness and maybe even some anger that you can't express so it's popping up in other ways. these urges are probably contributing to feelings of alienation too, since you haven't been able to talk about them.

i'm not going to pretend to be a professional but you're not beyond help. you need to find someone who can help you figure out where these thoughts are coming from. if i were you, i would find a therapist that i felt i could trust (might need to go to more than one) and then tell them about the suicidal feelings and self harm urges and behaviors. then eventually introduce the concept of hurting your dog while making it clear that it's not something you want to or plan to do. maybe not even necessary to mention the homicidal urges if all of these thoughts are coming from the same problems.

i don't know exactly what to tell you because i don't know if i would be able to trust a therapist enough to be honest about those kinds of issues but at the very least, try to find someone who you can start to open up to, even if it's only part of what you're feeling. it sounds like you are not doing well at all and it would be a shame to do something regrettable before you at least try to figure out why you feel this way.

if you're concerned about involuntary commitment, just be cautious with what you say. you could probably even ask the therapist exactly what kinds of things would require them to commit you because a lot of people are concerned about that even if they only have suicidal feelings. it might make them suspicious but i don't think they can do anything on suspicion.

you're probably not a hopeless case even if it feels like it right now and i hope you find a way to open up to someone who can help you more than i can. therapists aren't magical problem solvers but you seem to be in trouble and it's all i can recommend if you want help in gaining more insight into why you are feeling the way you are feeling

>>36209388
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>>36210179
I don't remember the first time well since I was psychotic. I ended up there after an appointment, it was in the same hospital as the psychiatrist I saw. I was escorted and never given any option, my psychiatrist wanted rid of me since she knew she fucked up. She cut contact after getting me admitted. The second time, they escorted me but I had no choice.

>>36208680
>do therapist help?
>I intend to lie to them

there really is no helping you anon.

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>that feel when a therapist has actually told you "just be yourself"

anyone have experience with the free uk service? seems like a meme.

>>36209388
Too bad your patients want society to give up on them so they can declare war on it to sidestep their maladies and misery and focus it into loathing like through a magnifying glass onto all who do function.

>>36210316
>getting help and being abnormal is socially acceptable as long as it's not too abnormal
Society is truly shit.

>>36208680
>Do therapists help?
Cognitive-behavioral therapy ("talk therapy") can help to an extent. I would avoid any therapist who pushes medication, unless you're actually having psychotic symptoms. In that case, anti-psychotics are the only thing that's going to improve your situation there, but at the cost of some very shitty side-effects.

Anti-depressants help some people, but IMO they aren't worth the risk. They can intensity or create suicidal thoughts, and this is especially prevalent in young men, who shouldn't be put on any of this shit in the first place. Understand that if you decide to try anti-depressants, you'll have to experiment with dozens of them to find one that helps. This means starting one pill for weeks, then having to taper off and suffer miserable withdrawals before switching to another pill. And yes, you will have to do this many, many times. So no, it's not worth it.

>I genuinely want to end my life, but i'm scared that if I tell them what is going on in my brain they will send me to a psych ward or something.
They'll commit you to a 48-hour hold or something, but only if you're come right out and say you actually have plans to end your life, or you otherwise plan to cause harm to yourself. Saying that you have (or had) suicidal thoughts off and on isn't necessarily grounds to be committed.

If you're trying to cope with suicidal thoughts, it might be best to say something along the lines of, "I don't have suicidal thoughts at the moment, but it's something that has come and gone in the past. I wanted to learn how to cope with my (depression / anxiety / whatever is bothering you) so it doesn't come up again in the future."

>>36209348
>Jobs and owning guns and stuff like that
>owning guns

I think my state changed that, so now even schizos can buy firearms.

>>36210876
informative read, thought pills might be the answer , not strong enough and so tired but maybe not

>tfw no money to go to a therapist, like holy shit they charge you 40 euro per hour
>tfw I am going to kill myself soon if I don't get any help
wat do?

>>36209830
>Any ideas?

You literally sound like a psychopath. And I mean that from a clinical standpoint.

Are you able to sympathize with other people, or even animals? Does anyone else's pain genuinely disturb you?

>>36208680
>therapist without any electronics and almost no furniture
>big apartment full of house plants
>wants to cut out things from magazines and make posters of the soul
>wearing shawl and beads
>weird spiritualist type

Whew I lost all respect for the occupation instantly and it never recovered all the way.

If you are some sort of neet the traveling/scheduling/talking by themselves will help out I think. Maybe don't bring up suicide directly but lesser things in your life that relate to it.

>>36210944
>wat do?

Ask if they can do a sliding scale payment. If you're on a low or fixed income, they might be able to provide services to you for a very low co-pay.

>>36210923
Trump repealed the law that prevented people whose "mental illnesses prevented them from being financially responsible" from being able to own guns. That's the only change I know about.

>>36208680
Woah OP, we're in the same place. I've been thinking should I go to a psychologist or psychiatrist. The latter could give me drugs. Maybe drugs would help.

>>36208680
>Suicidal because my life sucks and I hate myself
>Admitting this makes my life worse

K

>>36208703
This. As long as you don't say something dumb like "I'm going to fucking kill myself when I get home" or anything that implies you are actually GOING to kill yourself, depending on the person, will probably get you locked up. The golden rule is to not make yourself look like an immediate threat to yourself or others. I've had talks about this with my psychiatrist before and she says she's legally obligated to get me thrown in a hospital if I give her reason to believe I'm a threat to myself or others, but just admitting to being suicidal and clarifying that you're not going to do it is fine.

>>36210954
When I have those homicidal sexual and non-sexual fantasies I don't sympathise with the victim, however I generally can sympathise with people I think.

>>36209083
> go to therapy because of an episode
> realize everything is shit and pointless now that I became figuratively mentally ill
> do more shit that I actually enjoy for once
> feel more content, results in more normal behaviour but still not comfortable with this nightmare people call real life
> actual therapy helps not at all
> finally went out of the clinic to go to a psychatrist
> after months of going to him he says I should go to a psychotherapist

I feel like I am just in this system now so these people can get more money from insurance/government.