Genetics are literally everything and predetermine your fate

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Everything was already predetermined from the moment of existence.

>>36157545
Genetic mutation. Checkmate, nigger

Determinism and quantum mechanics don't play well together.

There's many successful ugly people and attractive people that haven't done anything. You're just a whiny cunt.

>>36157676
>There's many successful ugly people
Only a select few that are redeemed by their extraordinary intellect. Ugly people of average intelligence have no hope.

>>36157676
>he thinks genetics only determine physical characteristics

>>36157719
No hope. They can only become president.

>>36157795
If they're born into a family of billionaires, maybe.

>>36157676
Yeah, and there are people with no legs who have climbed mountains.

>>36157907
And run in the Olympics.

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>>36157907
>implying this is something worthy of striving for

>>36157545
>Genetics are literally everything and predetermine your fate from the moment you're conceived. Prove me wrong.
Donald Trump.

>>36157964
Well, if you're a hateful robot leech, you would think that nothing is worth striving for, but you would be wrong.

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>>36157968
Yes, I'm sure growing up as a handsome 6'2" man with a good physique in no way contributed to the confidence and assertive attitude that helped him become successful.

>>36158065
Inheriting millions of dollars and connections helped more.

>>36158100
Of course, but a short ugly sperg in the same situation would have a harder time achieving what he has.

>>36158121
A short ugly sperg in his situation would do much better than trump outside of his situation.

>>36157571
the thinking man's choix

>>36157545
>genetics predeterminates your hair is black
>dye it blond
OH WOW FUCKING GENETICS
stop blaming a bunch of molecules for your failures

100% true OP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw3S35wGgT8

>>36158130
Burgers are socially retarded so no, and contrary to popular belief most aspies aren't geniouses.

Gotta love these people who are favored in life.
They're already blessed but they also need to convince themselves and everyone else that they worked for it and deserved it.
They just can't accept that they've been dealt a good hand.

>>36158324
Keep telling yourself that. It's not your fault, it's God's fault.

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>>36157545
I know a lot of ppl who were among the uglier kids and grew up to be among the handsome because they trained sports
and here is me lookin like a lesbian with no tits and I was the cutest kid in my class

>>36158365
There is no God, if there was we'd all be equal.

>>36158365
Keep telling yourself that. It's all through your 'effort'

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KRS one is ugly as fuck but managed to be successful and get a semiattractive wife

>>36157571
Source on that book? I only read choose your own adventure books so this is exciting to me

>>36157545
It's actually a combination of genetics and learnt experiences over the course of your life. Most people can except human behaviour is a combination of nature and nurture, though it's not hard to see why a lot of you are trying to convince yourselves that genetics determine your fate from the get go. Trying to diminish dat personal responsibility, eh?

>>36157583
>Happens right before genetics start having relevancy
That wasn't a well thought out answer, anon.

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>>36158499
Not sure about that though..

>>36158571
maybe he'd get girls if he didn't have prison charles manson hair

Environment plays an equal role

For example: You could have the gene that makes you 6 feet tall, but if you don't get the proper nutrition and exercise then that gene won't be expressed

Chads are products of their genetics AND upbringing

Time is an illusion and thus everything has already happened

>>36157968
Trump is pretty smart
He's tall
Confident
Charismatic
And was born into a wealthy family

>>36157545
You could then go on to say the same thing about parents, then grand parents, so on and so on. Basically your saying all of our fates have been determined by the begining of life itself or even the universe's creation.

>>36158499
Your genetics inevitably lead to situations and experiences that wouldn't have happened otherwise, so they're not separate at all. A robot for instance is more likely to go through shit that will affect his self-image and world view negatively.

>>36157545

>height genetics
>IQ genetics
>facial aesthetics genetics

>depression genetics
>social anxiety genetics
>hermitic genetics
>avoidant personality disorder genetics

Motherfucker. I came so close to making it.

>>36158604
What a retarded post, that never happens in developed countries.

>>36158629
I wouldn't say time is an illusion. There's definitely change brought on through time. I would just put it as time is infinite and with infinite time comes every possibility repeated infinitely.

>>36158604
So fucking what, even with stunted growth Chad would retain his facial aesthetics and his alpha nature. A fully-grown beta is still a beta.

>>36158672
Now you're getting it anon. Free will is an illusion.

>>36158571
Look at this guy. It's just not meant to be. He was never supposed to make it.

>>36158767
Nothing like misapplied remedial-level philosophy to dodge responsibility. "Oh, it's not my fault I'm a fuck-up, it was all predetermined. I guess it's predetermined that I stay unemployed, fat, alone, and hateful, too."

>>36158767
Exactly, this can also be proven by the fact that we as humans will always make the decision most beneficial to us at the time. Even if it entails cutting or some shit it is still in an atempt to reach some kind of end in itself. We're not really 'making' the decision as we always end up doing what is most relevant for the situation.

>>36158457
I fear that's just an image made to look like an actual page from a book.

>>36158722
Wrong.

A lot of people in developed countries sit down all day and eat shit processed food.

>>36157545
According to the "orchid child" hypothesis, some genes can lead to extremely good or extremely bad outcomes, depending on environment.

I think when fitted to /r9k/'s social tiers, the hypothesis might work as follows:
- orchid genes + good environment = Chad or Stacy
- orchid genes + bad environment = robot
- orchid genes + average environment = cyborg or normie
- dandelion genes + any environment = normie or cyborg
- super dandelion genes + any environment = normie or Chad or Stacy
- third flower genes + good environment = semi-Chad or semi-Stacy or normie
- third flower genes + bad environment = cyborg
- third flower genes + average environment = normie
The third flower is my addition to the hypothesis. It has both dandelion and orchid traits.

>>36157571
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>>36158233
>>36158121
naive fucks how intelligent or handsome isn t determined even close the amount you think it is >I miss 1 chromosome so I don t have body hair, I don t have majority of feelings like fear, love, sympathy, sadness and shame
I look 7/10 for my age and I m happy I don t have that chromosome

Some interesting answers in this thread, but the real answer: memes > genes.

This kind of meme. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme

>>36157545
>genes made me a robot
>the mind tells me OP is a fag

->nice pic

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>>36159517
And it also causes a lack of apostrophes.
What's the name of your condition though.

>>36159517
Also you're saying naive fucks, but then you go on to say stuff how genetic matters a lot.
So are you calling them naive while simultaneously agreeing? I will assume that's what you did.

>>36157545

They might determine your dating pool and how you perceive yourself in social situations but besides that everything else is up to you.

You don't have to choose to be an autistic frog poster if you can get over the fact you're unattractive.

I'm unattractive, quite so in fact but I'm also a schizoid and not overly interested in social relationships or romantic, at that. I just focus on the only thing I care about which is being successful and prosperous.

That way I can live the life I want to and be relatively happy with lots of options to purchase what I want and do essentially whatever it is I want.

>>36157545
Genetics are literally nothing and you have the power to overcome them from the moment you're self-aware. Prove me wrong.

>>36157676
They either have some other redeeming quality or got lucky.
Also, intelligence is genetic as well you spastic, we weren't talking about looks alone.
The average ugly and unintelligent person is not successful so kill yourself and take your bullshit with you.

I'm pretty sure George Carlin said something along the lines of

"Life is 90% genetics and 10% luck...but genetics is also luck so it all comes down to luck"

Something along those lines. And yah if you're not born Chad, kill yourself.

>>36158372
Sports won't reconstruct your face you retarded twat.
When you're thinking about ugly people think about those who have ugly faces/ are too short/ have deformities not about some fat fucks that are too lazy to work out.

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>>36160849
Bro why haven't you become self-aware bro
Just be yourself and you'll be 6'4 and have a great hairline bruh.
you're not just lazy are you bruh?

>>36160954
Not an argument. Prove me wrong.

>Anyone who has succeeded is genetically blessed, and the only reason I ever fail is because I lost the genetic lottery and is no fault of my own
What an unbelievably convenient excuse to never put in effort

>>36158457
>I only read choose your own adventure books
what are you, 8?

>>36160883
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>>36160916
everyone with bad genetics and no disabilities can become at least average if they pu in enough effort
>I m ugly and I take minimal effort to change that but I want ppl to like me
if that is your mentality I hope you die alone
if tha

>>36161098
Pff, hypocrite, you call others lazy because they don't put in the effort what other get for free,
But you yourself are complacent with the status quo.
The under dog will always have to exert itself just to lap up the scraps of the alpha dog, and you wish for that to last forever.

That's not how it works, you can be born with a propensity for high IQ but everything is based on your zone of pronominal development. If you aren't taught something you won't learn it, that's just a simple truth, you can't blame genetics for the environment's failings.

>>36161713
>zone of pronominal development
proximal* autocorrected

Yeah I agree. But it is good. It makes me feel light. It's paradoxically liberating to realize there's nothing you can do or ever could have done.

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Just b urself bro, works every time.

>>36157545
I'd say that's 100% accurate. But you guys really gotta learn the difference between 'genes' and 'genetics'. As long as I've been on this site, I've never once seen anyone use the right word.

>>36160849
self awareness doesn't imply actual agency

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>>36158201
>I'm so young the only bearing I have on genetics is determination of hair color
Go play Super Mario or something.

Proof by contradiction:
>I go to a hospital room full of babies.
>Number them
>Using a die a simulate a random number generator for that amount of babies
>Kill the baby selected.

Genetics had nothing to do with that babies fate (atleast not their own genetics)

>>36157545
>biological determinism meme
>falling for jewish tricks in literally 2000 + 17