>be cis female >trannies start calling themselves your

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>Trannies start calling themselves anon

Why am I mentally ill for wanting to be a girl and dressing like a girl and taking hormones to make my body more feminine?

How is this comparable to hearing voices or anything like that?

>>36114423
don't worry about it
most trannies don't pass
and will rarely show their face, nevermind be called their name in public

>>36114483
Because you are disfiguring your body based off a feeling

>>36114483
Because you believe you are a different gender then what you were born with. By nature you are denieing reality. The sad thing is no one is calling you or pushing to help you with your mental disorder. In fact many in society is pushing to accept your illness.
I am really not trying to be a dick, just advise you getting help from a real psychologist before you end up dead anon.
But if you don't please be safe and remember your life is sacred. You do not and never will deserve to die

>>36114483
Dysphoria is in the dsm-v dumbfuck

You are literally mentally ill, if you aren't, you aren't trans

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>roasties join up with /pol/ to prevent dilution of pussy privilege

...Oh.

>>36114665
Yep and that's even after the cuckening of modern psychology. There have been so many changes that have hurt so many people since the DSM 3 was "outdated"

>>36114647
Is plastic surgery disfiguring? Is working out at the gym disfiguring, or changing your diet, or getting a tattoo, or anything that alters your appearance?

>>36114658
I don't believe I'm a different gender than what I was born. I'm male and always will be. That doesn't mean I can't live like a girl if I want to

>>36114665
That wasn't the question I asked. I know dysphoria is a legitimate mental illness

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>>36114799
Well then to answer your question, you are mentally ill because you are experiencing gender dysphoria. Ta daaa

>>36114860
Except I don't have gender dysphoria anymore, because I transitioned.

>>36114889
Does a depressed person who takes medication to treat their depression still have depression? Yes, they are just suppressing it with treatment. You are treating your dysphoria. This is just my opinion. I think your treatment of your condition is fine if it works, but you still have the condition.

>>36115031
Medication didn't treat my dysphoria, passing as a girl did.

You're legitimately retarded. Anti-depressants aren't there to magically make you better, they're supposed to suppress the symptoms of your depression so that you have the energy to change your life and neutralize it at the source.

>>36115107
>Person has suicidal tendencies
>Cap them in the head
>claim you're helping them
This is literally what is happening

>>36115107
Well that's if its a depression driven by emotions, ie, a bad thing happens to you, you feel sad, not a purely chemical depression, ie there is a flaw in your brain, good things happen to you, you feel sad.

Dysphoria is more like the second scenario to me, it's inherent. I've experienced dysphoria too, not gender dysphoria, just bodily dysphoria, like my body isn't mine. It's never gone away, but I know now that killing myself, even if it means I get to escape this corporeal body, isn't going to get rid of it. Also, Charlie?

I would never be mean to one but I consider it to be female blackface that ultimately supports stereotypes that lead to our ( actual women's) oppression.

They have male privilege. If people think ypu're a man and give you concrete benefits, it doesn't matter if you perceive yourself as a woman.

Furthermore, the oppression of women is based on our sexual organs and reproductive capacity, nlt feelings. When some African girl gets her cunt sliced up, no one cares if she " identifies" as male. I'm sorry that transwomen's feelings get hurt while women get killed but okay.

> tfw even when transwomen are treated without insult they still have abnormally high suicide rates
Hmm...

> tfw radical feminist
> tfw sjws who base their arguments on feelings hate me
> the political right hates me

I walk a lonely road.

>>36114423
The important question OP, what's your name that trannies are taking? I have the same thing, there's multiple 4chan trannies with my name now.

>>36116338
The oppression trannies face is ten thousand times worse than what women face. Cis women have a lower suicide rate then cis men, trans women have an astronomical suicide rate.

Trannies do not have male privilege whatsoever. They are raped at much higher rates than cis women, murdered at much higher rates than cis women, denied housing, denied jobs, and there is no national legal protection for them in the united states, they are not a protected class.

Your example of an african women getting her cunt sliced up just shows how ignorant you are. Transsexuals in africa are treated far more harshly.

>>36114483
Same reason anorexics think they're fat.

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>>36116338
You are an SJW, and your arguments are based on feelings. You are all still running in the oppression olympics. And like the other guy said - trannies have it way worse than you.

>I consider it to be female blackface

This is the dumbest shit I have ever heard

I LOVE watching feminists get infuriated at trannies/sissies/whatever.

It's honestly the best internet drama.

We should all head over to /r/twoxchromosomes and pretend to be traps.

>>36116548
>/r/twoxchromosomes
They support trannies you dummy

>>36116338

>They have male privilege.
>trannies have male privilege

As a straight men I can tell you that trannies are not afforded any privileges from men. We treat them as mentally ill people.

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>be tranny
>really want female friends, want to have a real girl's perspective on things, want to learn how to pass better by observing real girls and being more like them
>all girls hate trannies

It's not fair...

>>36116652
What are some of your interests? Do you have discord? I don't dislike trannies.

>>36116445
>>36116445
> cis women have a lower suicide rate

Lol women only have low suicide rates because the methods they use ( pills, wrist cutting) are less violent/effevtive than men ( guns, trains, jumping). They have higher attempt rates.

> raped at higher rates
You have to normalise values for risk. I'm going to wager that trans women are more likely to be sex workers than cis women, have higher rates of drug use, etc. Factors that make a person more likely to be raped. This isn't to say that makes the rape okay, but if people are in more high risk situations you can't say it's because of oppression that they are raped more. Same with murder.

> we don't have male privilege
> doesn't address my point

Growing up, my dad used to hit me and my sister and force us to do chores while my brother got to do his homework. He got a free ride to college whereas I could only prioritise my education once I escaped my home. If my brother identified as a woman, his feelings wouldn't fucking matter - the fact that my dad viewed him as a boy, didn't beat him, and let him prioritise school did.

I'm in engineering rn, and there's a transwoman there whk acts like she understands what it was like growing up as a " woman in science". Plot twist: you fucking don't.

> no legal protection
> implying that there is sufficient protection for cis women
All protections that cis women had they busted their ass for.

> transsexuals are treated more harshly
> citation needed

> denied housing
> denied jobs
Only valid points.

Eat my greasy meat flaps.

>>36116687
>Lol women only have low suicide rates because the methods they use ( pills, wrist cutting) are less violent/effevtive than men ( guns, trains, jumping). They have higher attempt rates.
So are you saying women are stupider than men or are you saying they attempt suicide for attention instead of actually wanting to kill themselves? Suicide rate (successes, not attempts) correlates with quality of life everywhere in the world.

Trannies are more likely to do sex work and drugs because their lives are miserable and sex work is the single most common occupation for trannies because that's the only fucking work people will let them do. This is a direct result of societal oppression and restricted life choices that come with being trans.

>Growing up, my dad used to hit me and my sister and force us to do chores while my brother got to do his homework.
Your anecdotal bullshit is not indicative of reality.
>If my brother identified as a woman, his feelings wouldn't fucking matter - the fact that my dad viewed him as a boy, didn't beat him, and let him prioritise school did.
Nice hot assumptions there. If your dad was really like that, if your brother came out as trans you think your dad would have reacted the same way? How can you assume that everything would be exactly the same if your brother was a tranny growing up?

Trannies are dramatically more likely than cis men or cis women to be cast out from the families as young teenagers and be homeless

>transsexuals are treated more harshly
>citation needed
Are you a fucking retard?

>>36116687
>If my brother identified as a woman, his feelings wouldn't fucking matter - the fact that my dad viewed him as a boy, didn't beat him, and let him prioritise school did.

Wowwwww you have issues

Your broken home can't serve as a metaphor for the real world. You lived with an abusive dad who hated women. That's it. If your brother came out as trans, your dad would have hated him more than you. You lived with a bigot who you let shape and scar your mind and perspective on the world and this issue.

>Lol women only have low suicide rates because the methods they use ( pills, wrist cutting) are less violent/effevtive than men ( guns, trains, jumping). They have higher attempt rates.

1. Trans women have higher attempt rates than cis women
2. Trans women have higher success rates than cis women
3. You're a fucking retard

>>36116679
I like video games, that's basically it, I'm incredibly lame and uninteresting.

>>36116687
>there's a transwoman there whk acts like she understands what it was like growing up as a " woman in science". Plot twist: you fucking don't.

but you're definitely capable of understand their entire life and the hardships they'll face right

>>36116803
What sort of video games? I like games, but if that's really all you like I can't see conversation being easy.

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>>36116829
dark souls, pokemon, roguelikes

I probably should have mentioned that I don't just lack female friends, I lack friends altogether. I'm probably not worth befriending honestly

>>36114799
>Is plastic surgery disfiguring? Is working out at the gym disfiguring, or changing your diet, or getting a tattoo, or anything that alters your appearance?

If you're using those things to try and become something you're not, yeah it's a mental illness. Like those people who try to turn themselves into animals.

>>36116915
I mostly like strategy games, rpgs and stuff. Some multiplayer and indie games. The dark souls games and roguelikes look great, but I never have tried getting into them.

I'm sure you have more positive qualities and interests than you think. It sounds like you have really low self-esteem and usually people like that are better people than they think they are.

>>36116789
> r women stupid
> but i'm oppressed!!!1!

No, just that suicide is usually impulsive and if you don't have a gun you take what options you have.

> more likely to get do drugs/sex work because oppressed

I could easily say it's because you're crazy, and those things correlate with mental illness.

Ie. You can't just go " it's oppression!"and not prove the mechanism of action.

> but your dad would've hated a tranny son!

No doubt. My point was that because he was assumed male, he benefitted from something. Male privilege.

Here's something else to consider:

If gender isn't sex, then where is it? If you say " my brain is feminine!" then you support a version of gender essentialism that oppresses women by default.

The only moral and logically consistent position is that gender as a whole must be abolished.

If gender collectively didn't exist, all of the problems you're complaining about couldn't exist.

If what you're suggesting is reality, than women have to be a real biological category. Do you not see the issues that stem from that.

Read some sheila jeffreys and get back to me.

>>36116790
> i have issues
> me
> really

>>36116821
Nope. Not mentally ill.

> make valid points
> get angry
Really proving you don't have male socialization there

>>36117014
Samefag.

>>36116993
This.

I don't agree about tattoos, but people who get plastic surgery just to look good are clearly mentally ill.

>>36116993
Or those people who get facial tattoos and then complain that they can't get a job.

>>36117014
>admits that trannies are denied jobs and housing
>this isn't oppression though
>can't see why people denied jobs would turn to sex work
You're hilarious honestly

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>>36117014
This person is too self-focused and stuck in their own trauma to empathize with other oppressed folk.

Sad!

>>36116652
I don't hate trannies, anon. I'll be your feminimentor.

ITT: People that fell for /pol/ bait post

It happens everyday. You know /pol/ doesn't care what you say and that they think they are always right no matter what. Just need to stop responding to the threads. They literally will same fag to make it seem like 3 or 4 people are telling you to kill yourself just to fuck with you. No reason to respond to these threads especially if you're actually trans.

>>36117014
Sex is biological, there is only male and female. Intersex people are not one category but a broad spectrum of sex deformity and incorrect developments. Intersex people broadly identify as male or female.

Gender is sex at the societal level. It is fundamentally rooted and based in biological sex, there is only man and woman. Gender is essentially just gender expression and gender roles. This is the 'social construct'. It does not invalidate the existence of sex and it does not allow for additional genders not based on sex.

Gender identity is biological as well. Gender dysphoria is a result of an incorrect wiring of gender in the brain. Even in nonhuman animals there are rare cases of animals adopting the behaviors of the opposite sex instead of their expected sex behaviors. Research is emerging that shows that 'gay' animals are closer to trans in terms of behavior, it's not that they simply prefer to attempt mating with the same sex, but rather that they are assuming the role of the opposite sex in a broader variety of behaviors.

Gender identity is often muddled by pretenders, people confused into thinking they are the opposite sex, not because of neurology but because of depression, envy, confusion etc.

>>36117176
Not who you're responding to but I wont lie that is a tempting offer. Too bad I'm socially retarded. I'm glad someone doesn't hate trannies though that's always really nice to see.

>>36116789
>Suicide rate (successes, not attempts) correlates with quality of life everywhere in the world.
Why do white people have higher suicide rate than black people in America?

>>36117412
Because white people are more likely to be depressed, feel unfulfilled, lack support networks and things like that. Once again, quality of life correlates with suicide rate.

>>36116420
>letting spiteful trannies take my name to piss in my eye
Nah.

>>36117101
> folk
Nice buzzword. Surprised you didn't write " folx".

>>36117221
> gender is expression and roles
> but it's biological

My point exactly. You don't see anything sexist in roles and expression being biological?

> animals with opposite sex behaviours
Animal behaviour is really poorly understood and often subject to projections by researchers ( see assumptions of animal rape that really isn't, the term harem, etc.). Even things like lesbian behaviour in single sex species of lizards is just a hormonal trick to trigger reproduction.

Ie. It's very hard to apply terms like that to animals without giving specific examples and studying methodology closely.

I'm not saying dysphoria isn't real. I'm not saying people can't or don't shit on self identified trans people.

What I AM saying is the idea that wanting a vagina is not the same as being a " woman" and describing oneself in those terms instead of rejecting gender wholesale reinforces the problem.

It's the same as being " transracial". I don't doubt some people's brains wiring them to feel dismorphic with their appearance in every dimension. That doesn't make the concept of race real. People shit on Rachel Dolezal and she's considering porn. That doesn't make her black and that doesn't make race real.

Trans people often say that cis people correspond to their assigned gender - well I'm " cis" and I don't. I don't agree with the concept of womanhood that has been forced upon me yet I feel no need to change my body, clothes or pronouns.

> pretenders
Are you" truscum"? Shame on you!

>>36117623
Proof you're a man from /pol/ not even creative enough to think of a female name to post without /pol/ telling you one.

>>36117674
>> folk
>Nice buzzword. Surprised you didn't write " folx".
Not who you're replying to but what? I say that all the time in my dialect. I don't get how it's a buzzword. Can you explain this?

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Your hole < My hole

Roastie whore

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>have a male name
>roasties add the letter a to the end of it
>think now it's a female name

>>36117890
If you spent enough time around SJW types ( like I am often forced to do everytime I run an event for women in STEM ) you hear them say " folk" a lot because black people said if and like the word " bodies" it sounds stupid and helps virtue signal.

The folx thing was making fun of retarded alternative pronouns.

>>36117967
> we're the oppressed ones!
> reduce women to holes

I am so tired.

Oh well, at least I know no matter how toastie I get, you'll be jealous of my roastie. Otherwise you wouldn't be this crazy.

nigga some of us just wanna live our lives and just do whatever.
i just don't wanna be read as masc or as a man.
i have a disdain for masculinity on myself. live as you wanna, since our lives aren't gonna directly effect each other.
t. neet gf(male)

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>>36114483
Reminder that you will never be a real girl.

>>36116468
This.

>>36118542
> just wanna live our lives

Yeah but:
> saying you're a woman as an objective reality and this reinforcing gender essentialism
> trying to force lesbians to fuck you bc gender preferences are transphobic

See you say that and then shit like this happens

>>36118688
>> saying you're a woman as an objective reality and this reinforcing gender essentialism
nah i'm in the nether when it comes to an amalgamation of sexual characteristics. people refer to me as a woman, and ok that's okay with me.
>> trying to force lesbians to fuck you bc gender preferences are transphobic
i don't like women.
that statement is fucking stupid. preferences exist, don't be so fucking hurt by it senpaitachi.
i only have control over my actions. i don't want visibility, i just wanna be left alone.

>>36118780
Then you're an outlier, lbr.

> hurt
> say " x happens"
> "omg dont be hurt"
Sounds like projection lol

>>36114483
Look man. I get it sucks that your going through a mental condition that makes your life harder then the average in the human populace. Live your life however you want but be prepared for the consequences that go against the norms of everyday people.

>>36119991
Thanks for not being an asshole about it and telling me to kill myself

>>36120034
There was a study (ill dig it up soon) that showed postop individuals with gender dysphoria had a higher death rate (20x higher for suicide) than those that didnt go under the knife.

They concluded that surgery isnt enough to deal with the dysphoria and support was needed beyond that.

I mean, it could also suggest that perhaps the surgery is un-necessary and one just needs the support.

Effeminate men like myself sometimes feel the need to trap, but I'm greedier than that.

I take all the benefits and take advantage of any opportunities granted to me from my mixed background (Mom is from the Philippines, check asian/hispanic on the box, get more benefits).

I dont think surgery is all that helpful for me. I still get fucked like a girl (by my female girlfriend) but Im an abnormally tall man who generally makes people nervous when Im around.

Unless it would ruin my integrity as a scientist, I wouldnt do anything like undergoing surgery thatd make life more difficult.

There are only two genders unless youre a fungi. Anything else is a lie based on feelings.

Just my opinion. Everyone finds a way.

>>36114423
fuck off larper these threads are garbage

>>36120242
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/
Oregano

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DW trannies are just a fad

>>36114483
You are mentally ill because you want to be a living charade. You want to live the rest of your life disguised as the opposite gender.

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>>36120242
>tfw MtF who has always been against genital surgery

The genitals are the least important part of being able to live your day-to-day life as a woman in the eyes of society. I don't know why the fuck so many other trannies want to have some Frankenstein vagina when penises are great and more fun than vaginas anyway and everyone loves girls with penises.

Some trannies will even go so far as to get the genital surgery BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE that would make their day-to-day life as a woman easier and help them pass more. Like what the fuck?

>>36116338
>dumb roasties think that trannies have any privileges
>dumb roasties complain about how hard it is to be a woman

lmao being trans is life on the hardest difficulty

>>36116548
>tfw women are complaining about where all the good men have gone
>tfw there comes a time in the future where the majority of males have become females (male) and have relationships with each other instead
>tfw the leftover chads only want the cream of the crop so the female undesirables end up getting no attention at all

>be bullied throughout high school by Staceys
>they spread a rumor that you're a tranny
>graduate and move on with life
>Bradley Manning becomes famous tranny
>changes his name to your name
>millions of articles and posts about Chelsea the tranny

FUCK OFF REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

ITT dumb roasties who think that they are oppressed

>>36120544
> trannies being misogynistic

Go get Dr. Money'd. I got a clit to stimulate.

>>36121379
>unironically calling people on 4chan misogynistic
you gotta go

>>36121654
I didn't say I cares about people on 4chan being misogynistic - I expect that.

What is hilarious is when some reverse Pinnochio motherfucker insists they're a real grill111!!! and then acts worst than the average user on this site.

It's like an Argentinian screaming about niggers. You're all not white to /pol/.

>>36116445
>trans women have an astronomical suicide rate.
which is a result of their mental illness, not "oppression"

>trannies and femnazis in a bitchfight
r9k has its own containment threads for the even worse mentally ill?

>>36121379
Holy shit.

Okay, so, we already know that women do most online female harassment.

What if it turns out that women also do most of the /pol/ style harassment, too?

What if they've been the problem, all along? It would explain why the internet never used to be this mean.

>>36121811
Did you really think slutshaming is something MALES do? Robots might, but chads will just grin or give eachother her phonenumber

>>36121747
Argentinians are white, it's just a meme that they are not.

>tfw secretly ftm tranny
>really short, and conventionally attractive and feminine as a girl, was popular in school, etc
>want to kill myself when i look in the mirror every day and never think i look good since i never look how i want to
>i will never look like or be who i want to and am too feminine and would never be as attractive as i am as a girl as a guy, and ftm bottom surgery is horrendous, wouldn't know how to act like anything but a girl even if I had the looks
>just want the feelings to stop and be happy as a girl and take what I have since transitioning is impractical and terrible
>feelings of depersonalisation and disassociation growing all the time as I feel like I'm living as someone else and not even a part of reality
>opt out of relationships and sex since it feels like I'd be having them as the wrong person and like I'm asleep having a nightmare and can't wake up
Kill me pls

>>36121924
> he thinks argentinians are white
Get
A
Load

>tfw the existence of trannies forces TERFs to face up to the fact that gender is innate and, as research progresses, will be objectively quantifiable.
Muy bueno.

>>36122188
> he thinks terfs are accepting that
They don't. That's why they're terfs.

Also tranny who's mad that xir conception of self don't real detected.

>>36121811
> thinking that comment was that bad
I could have said to get Dr.Brown'd.

Hell, that would've been funnier imo.

>>36122314
>They don't. That's why they're terfs.
And yet neuroscience is slowly but surely mounting its case against them, and it's beautiful to watch.

>Also tranny who's mad that xir conception of self don't real detected.
How about no. Fuck trannies. But I hate them because the ones I run up against are tiresome attention whores, not because I think they're pretending.

>>36122435
" neuroscience is proving them wrong"
[citation needed]

> attention whores
No shit.

>>36122435
I'm a tranny and I think that most, but not all, trannies actually are pretending.

>>36122435
> knows what a TERF is
> I'm not a tranny!
Sounds like you're shilling.

>>36122493
>[citation needed]
Most stuff worth posting as opposed to dramatic 'science as entertainment' articles is hidden behind paywalls because scientific journals are a shitty, profit-driven racket. But this is a good broad-picture overview with a fairly comprehensive list of references if you care to try and chase any of the actual studies: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/840538_1

>>36122531
Sorry bro. I'm just a prancing la-la homoman with a passing interest in neuroscience and who's spent enough time on /lgbt/ to have seen this shit play out ad-infinitum. Both sides are obnoxious and awful, it's just that one side is also wrong.

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>>36114483
>Why am I crazy for doing crazy things?

>>36114423
>Uses the term cis
Don't play their mentally ill games OP.

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>>36114483
>Can't ever actually change gender
>Genetics don't change when you mutilate your body
>Can only look like the opposite gender
>Brain chemistry impedes you from even thinking like the opposite gender
>Can't offer any man children
>Can only LARP
You're mentally ill, because what you want to be, is impossible to obtain.
You'd have to change every cell in your body, anon.
When you think you can make a few outward physical and behavioral changes, and that's all it takes to switch genders, then you're very mentally ill.

>>36122930
> citations
Plot twist: just because it has a neurological basis does not mean
1. Not a disorder
2. That gender as a concept is real

The desire to have your limbs cut off is a neurological phenomenon, too.

>>36123196
Not to mention agree to go to doctors who will most certainly butcher you.

> also why do these people never have proof of this sort of compulsive behaviour throughout history
> i mean, if it's a need, why isn'y history littered with people snapping their dicks off

>>36116338
>there are many MtF trannys that say their lives are a lot easier after transitioning and people treat them better
there goes your "women are oppressed" theory

western women in 2017 have the easiest lives on the face of the earth.

>>36116687
>They have higher attempt rates.
because women are attention whores. they dont actually want to suicide more than men do

>>36123292
Here's the thing...
I'm willing to accept that through some embryonic mishap, maybe someone who was supposed to have a vagina grew a cock instead. The two organs have similar developmental pathways.

If the impulse was just " part of my body thinks i need a vagina, but I have a dick, help me sort this out", I think that'd be fair.

Except they insist that they ARE 100% absolutely women and proceed to dress up in the most exaggerated stereotypes of femininity.

Think about it.
There are plenty of people with vaginas who are tomboys, unstereotypical, unfeminine, etc.

Have you ever met a tranny who said " I'd like a vagina please, but I'm not really into dressing up or wearing makeup. I like to hunt and drink neat whiskey."

It becomes clear that the obsession is with a concept of femininity,

I read this thing by a tranny to prove that they're legit - it was a poem by this medieval
> rabbi
Saying how he wished he was a woman. To them, it was proof that transexualism had always been. What they failed to acknowledge was that the rabbi was talking about how great it would be to be a woman and not have to do hard physical labour.

Ie it wasn't about the genitals, but the female gender role.

No wonder feminists hate trannies - they literally support this weird 1950s gender role bullshit.

>>36123551
> trusting a man's opinion on a woman's experiences

Nice try, frankencunt.

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>>36114483
>>>/lgbt/

Reminder that /r9k/ is /pol/'s little brother which means that faggots and trannies and other mentally ill vermin shall not be tolerated

>>36114423
You know the rules, cunt

oreg

>>36123334
>just because it has a neurological basis does not mean
1. Not a disorder
It is a disorder. Having (as much as I dislike simplifying it to that degree) a 'female brain' in a male body is a disorder.

>2. That gender as a concept is real
The evidence is pretty strong that an element of neurological 'gender' is innate and physiological. That says absolutely nothing about gender presentation and a requirement to dress in stripy fucking socks and say uguu~ etc. Just that there is something quantifiably different.

>>36116687

>Growing up, my dad used to hit me and my sister and force us to do chores while my brother got to do his homework. He got a free ride to college whereas I could only prioritise my education once I escaped my home.


>I'm in engineering

congratulations on escaping that hell

I don't see why there is this push to support trannies, but we still lock up anorexic/bulimic people

both see their bodies dysphoric

maybe we should start giving anorexics lap bands to help them attain their body ideal.

>>36123605
>No wonder feminists hate trannies
Feminists hate terfs even more sugartits.

>>36114483
Wait, did you experience extreme distress over looking like a man and having a penis?
Or do you just like looking feminine?
Because I'm in the second category and spend money on grooming products, but I'm not really trans because it is a fashion choice, not dysphoria.

>>36123693
fuck off, /pol/fag
stop trying to colonize us

>>36123605
Maybe - and I'm going out on a limb here, try to stay with me - you only see the exaggerated stereotype trannies because they're the ones that are out there shitting everything up.

The ones who just want to get on with their life without the performance are doing just that, and I think it's fair to say they're likely to stay as far away from vicious, disengenious sacks of shit like yourself as they can.

While we're here: Are you this contemptuous of cis women who choose to follow society's expectations of femininity?

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Well Jeez goys, I can't decided if I hate women or trannies more. They're both so despicable.

>>36117014
>My point was that because he was assumed male, he benefitted from something. Male privilege
Which he loses the moment he becomes a tranny.
I don't know what kind of liberal paradise you live in, but no woman I know is jealous of disfigured freaks.

>>36123803
Or people who want to slice their limbs off. What? It's neurological!

If the issue is neurological, wouldn't it be less invasive to make try and fully masculinise the brain of someone with some female neurological qualities through hormones than to chop their cock off?

>>36123777
Thank you, blessed trips.

>>36123845
> feminists hate trans exclusionary radical FEMINISTS

How do I acronym?

But yes, if you're referring to the same sort of feminists who dye their hair and go on Facial Abuse to be " empowered", then yeah. They hate TERFs, or anyone who points out they're stupid

>>36124041
hate (you)rself more

>>36114423


Hmmm wfwvwc

>>36124114
>If the issue is neurological, wouldn't it be less invasive to make try and fully masculinise the brain of someone with some female neurological qualities through hormones than to chop their cock off?
Get to work, then. Once you can prove efficacy and improved outcomes I'm right behind you. Just remember me when you get your nobel prize. Until then maybe crack open a book and stop imagining you're the first person who's thought of that.

>>36123334
> i mean, if it's a need, why isn'y history littered with people snapping their dicks off
It literally is though.

>>36124034
> vicious, disengenious sacks of shit
You sound a teeny tiny bit triggered.

> it's vicious to ask why so much of transitioning is performance based

Hmmm....

> contempuous of cis women
I never said anything for or against the female gender role. It wasn't the role I was criticising, but the ibsession with it that makes me question the legitimacy d trans issues.

Still, cute evasion tactic.

>>36124106
> which he loses
That's not the point. The point is that trannies will screech until their plastic tits fall off that they absolutely do not ever have male privilege.

My point is that there are numerous situations where they do benefit from having a dick.

I never said women should be or are jealous.

>>36124217
See, I love how you guys can never formulate an actual rebuttal. You just bitch and scream.

Your response is tantamount to " no u!"

I'm not surprised you guys respond so harshly to my very modest suggestions with more hostility than you do more aggressive /pol/ trolls: I get under your skin, whereas they just further your victim complex.

Which is really what this is about, isn't it?

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>>36117014
Go fuck yourself you retarded cherrypicking retard. Why do women even try to say they have it harder these days.

>>36124251
This. It doesn't mean they weren't all batshit, obviously, but that's not a particularly strong argument to make.

>>36124274
because they need to be the most oppressed so they can play victim

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Guys, I think I may have solved this whole debate with a meme picture. Hold on to your butts.

>>36124270
>You sound a teeny tiny bit triggered.
Just calling it as I see it.
>trannies will screech until their plastic tits fall off
Oh. Sorry. My bad. You're definitely not vicious. Carry on.

>I never said anything for or against the female gender role. It wasn't the role I was criticising, but the ibsession with it that makes me question the legitimacy d trans issues.
You also didn't answer my question. For every tranny who puts on that performance I'm sure I can show you a dozen cis women displaying the same behaviours, unquestioned.

Perhaps if people such as yourself didn't spend so much energy on trying to invalidate their identity then the performance and the obsession with 'femininity' wouldn't be necessary. But in a world where everything they do that isn't overty, explicitly 'feminine' is put down to them being a man and is looked at through the lens of them being trans, not them being a complex human being... It's not difficult to see why someone behaves that way. And yes, you've been at it throughout this thread with your 'male socialization' shit. That's the exact same garbage that sees women tagged as 'hysterical' the moment they show some emotion. You're a direct cause of the problem you seem to hate so much. gg.

>See, I love how you guys can never formulate an actual rebuttal... blah blah blah... my modest suggestion...
Your idiotic suggestion. Of something that has been studied, attempted, and dismissed over a period of decades. Which anyone with a legitimate interest in the subject would know. See where 'disengenious' comes in now? Wonderful.

Cool thread and all but is someone going to get their feminine penis out or what?

>>36124983
> you're definitely not..
Only responded the way you wanted me to. Glad you felt validated.

> you didn't answer my question

And several of my questions including:
> transexualism supports gender essentialism
> transracial
> body integrity disorder
> anorexia
> harassing lesbians

Remained unanswered, but hey, at least mine were relevant.

Your " but what about cis" argument is dumb because " cis" women adopt gender roles for very different reasons.

> unquestioned
""" cis""" women being unquestioned in their roles is not a magical privilege. What is privileged about the gender role enforced on women? It's unquestioned because that's what people expect.

> it's because you're mean that I dress in female blackface

I thought that hiding your real gender identity made you sick? Now suddenly it's malleable to avoid hard questions? Hmm...

And yeah, I'm sure people being mean are the reason so many transwomen are obsessed with over the top displays of feminity that they all talk about in their private spheres. eeeyup.

> male socialization is the same as female hysteria

Yes, because a concept made up to make women look crazy is exactly the same as " after living as a man for you're entire life, you might have some male behaviours ".

Seems equatable.

> disemgenious
> but I'm not gonna actually prove it, just say you should know.

Lol, I've been trying to get a straight answer out of trannies for close to a decade now. They've never once explained to me ( or by proxy online through discussions) why gender abolitionism isn't better.

Don't you have parents to apologise to?