Was Capitalism a mistake?

>>35908579
Don't think that a STEM degree will save you

You have to also be in touch with this vile culture and its social norms to be successful

>>35908579
It's called a pussy pass. She has value. People want to see her antics. Millions.

Millions of people don't want whatever you're producing. And there's probably an oversupply of dweebs and Sanjay Shittingstreets competing for whatever job you're doing. That I have to explain this to you has me seriously doubting how comprehensive your STEM education was. What was your major?

>>35908579
>Was Capitalism a mistake?
>IT'S NOT FAIR

Into the helicopter you go.

>>35908743
>What was your major?
Biology

But she has big tits.

>>35908579
>14
>Tits like those
Wtf I'm a pedophile now

Who is she?

Not original 579323899

>>35908579
>She's famous for being a white bitch who speaks Ebonics
I hope this bitch gets raped goddamn wigger.

>>35908579
and when she's 30 she'll be a used up old drug addict pumped full of silicon
what's your point?

>>35908579
She's actually done very well for herself though.

She's rode her shitty normalfag meme to enough fame that'll she'll make a shitty TV show no one will actually watch or care about but which will still make her enough money to live a comfortable life.

Nigger culture was a mistake

>>35908579

Meh. Life is unfair in so many ways. I don't give a shit any more.

>>35908763
If you want to complain about not making enough money you should have gotten into a trade with some money in it. It's your fault, not some random 14 year old who fell into fame.

Kskekke

The thing is though, it'll all come spiralling down for her. She's not only a young star getting money quick, but a young star who's very fleeting and everyone will forget in a year. She'll continuously try to be relevant but she'll never be as famous as she is now. This is her peak.

And you've seen what happens to young stars who have been in TV shows for years after they're cancelled and how they never reach that point again and it just ends up tearing them apart. So what do you think will happen to a girl who's got like a year before this happens? Who is probably gonna go through that young star insane spending downward spiral phase, only for the money to run out when she's 15, not 18 - 20 like most young stars.

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>>35908579
and /pol/ thinks gen z will save us

>>35908579

>whatchu doing with ur lives

shit posting and masturbating to you, ma'am

>>35908976
The Germans have created the perfect word that describes how I feel about that situation: schadenfreude.

>>35908579
Without capitalism and situations like her's, the opportunity to "working my ass off in STEM class at Uni to get a 40k starting salary" wouldn't even exist.

the sexual revolution was a mistake, anon. capitalism is simply human nature.

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>>35908579
Yes, National Socialism is the way to go

western """""""""culture"""""""""""

whites celebrate the dumbest most reductive shit

see also: trump

>>35908579
You have to realize that this is an outlier, an exception and a novelty. People like you tend to do much better than people like her. For every STEM guy who works his ass off to get what you'll rightfully earn there's dozens of pond scum just like this stuck in the ghetto gettimg what they rightfully earn.

Statistics are on your side, she got lucky and will blow her millions or ruin herself in order to keep them. STEM majors live a much stabler life on average.

>>35909010
jeff get the van

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U GO GURL! U GO !show em! hahah! oh were my cheezburger at yo? yo Jayan! where ya put mah weed bag?
on the other side, its degeneration thats what I think
we need MEN OF GOD and INTEGRITY

>When your mother is your pimp

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>>35908579

>white trash becomes a millionaire for being white trash.

I can't even get a job.

Fuck this shitty world.

>>35908579
Americans are truly sub-human.
>>35908813
>gets surprised that 14 year olds have tits
I really do wonder, were all the people who post shit like this homeschooled or have they really never seen 14 year old girls in their entire existance for some other reason?

>>35908579
>STEM
>biology
i get that it's stem but you have to realize biology is the most generic useless science field

if you want biology and money then do biomedical engineering or something

>>35908763
>Biology
You picked one of the only useless stem fields, the only stem field more useless than that is environmental engineering. Why did you go through all this trouble?

>>35908976
Hopefully porn by then she gives off a strong Gianna Michaels vibe

>>35909140

>Americans

*whites

It's not our fault whites ride our dick so hard that their children love to imitate the worst of our culture.

>that's so faggot who makes a thread on /pol/ and /r9k/ at the same time

>>35909206
As someone who majored in biology, and not in a specialization like biomedical engineering, I'd like to reaffirm that if this is the case for OP, he's totally fucking sunk.

>>35909245
please dont lump us together with you mongrels. Americans are not white. Actual white people hate you

She's going to blow it all. She has no concept of responsible financial decisions.

>>35908579
>implying anyone will even know she existed in 2 months time

>>35908579
>that
>14
I really want the jews to stop putting shit in the water I don't want to be an offender

>>35908579
This social meme bubble will burst one day soon enough

>>35908579
Literally literally literally literally literally who

>>35909245

> he still thinks his "culture" has equal value and isn't just being manipulated by corporations, jews, globalists, etc as a weapon, fated to have a golden age of 0 years before it becomes the target as western culture and values finally dies

> meanwhile, every single minority in USA sees it as a life goal to make a half-breed baby with a white woman and, failing that, rape as many as possible and get away with it.

Statistics and common sense shows that the decent ethnics among you are scrambling as hard as possible to get away from your "culture". Whites stay among themselves harder than any of you.

>>35909304
Oh fuck off cunt, I bet you're some dumb German or ass backwards Swede toting his "you're not white" bullshit. Let me guess, you'll screech that anyone who doesn't carry your genetic mutations aren't white? Piss off.

>>35909389
A Dr. Phil kid who became a normie meme

>>35908579
>doing nothing
You haven o idea how many old jewish men these disney stars have to perform sexual favors on.

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All A's and B's in college, unaccepted into program I applied for.

Fired from job even though I was outperforming others.

Denied from every other job interview.

No friends.

Less than 500$ in the bank.

Please kill me.

>>35909654
Only have 89$ to my name .

>tfw all you do is accumulate wealth because you have no reason to spend any of it
>tfw no qt gf to pamper with nice evening dates

(((They))) want to promote her, not capitalism.

>>35910133
That money will go away quick once you get a gf

>>35909407

Being "white" is a racist American concept.

As a European, you are, whatever your ethnicity is. Nobody gives a shit about white or black. The dichotomy doesn't really exist. If you are Swede, you are Swede and not Danish and you are two different ethnicities.

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>>35908579
This wasn't a mistake as long as I can have my tendiebux.

>>35908813
>tfw 14 is legal here in Germany
lol prude amerifats. land of the '''''''free'''''' hmm?

>>35908579

if you believe the point of it is to create a meritocracy, then sure, but that was never the point.

never let yourself be convinced that your position in life is only what you deserve, rather than mostly what you were destined to. everyone's desperate for the meritocracy to be true and there's no indication that it is.

>>35909084
Not his fault she looks 25.

>>35908747
Capitalism is a mistake, and the idiots who support it need to take time out in a car compactor.

>be innocent 10yr old girl
>start hanging around with niggers
>do weed, meth, heroine, crack, speed
>become a cheep underage hooker
>attack my parents because why not
>steal their money
>vandalise public property
>steal a few cars
>go on tv and show how ratchet I am
>sign a contract for my own reality TV show
>make $5mn
>buy an expensive car, some horses and an expensive house
>still getting pimped out by niggers
>18 years old, addicted to 7 different drugs
>no more money so by now have a friction burnt vag
>get aids
>od on cocktail of drugs
>get a trending hashtag on twitter
>200 ratchet strangers show up to funeral

Seems like a shit life

>>35908579
20$ says her mom spends all her money before she's 18.

>>35908868
I hope you get hit by a bus she is a pure child who needs love and support

>>35909654
>>35910079
>Thier bank account isn't in the negatives
Normies reeee

>>35908946
The problem is that he's doing things beneficial potentially to all human kind and stands to make slave wage in order to pay off his financial debts for the next 30 years for daring to enter a stem field. Or really any field for that matter, whereas this girl just struts in front of a camera for 15 minutes probably just being an obnoxious bitch and gets a 7 figure contact out of it

15 minutes and a pound of makeup is worth millions while years of education to advance human knowledge and quality of life for everybody is hardly worth thousands

>>35908747
Gonna gulag your ass faggot, watch your shit.

>>35910695
The problem is the niggers who sell drugs and steal to make their millions, who then go on to pimp out little ratchet girls and pay them millions because all the lowlifes will contribute a small portion of their welfare check to watch the shitstain scream and wear shiny dresses.

>>35909356
Does matter. She will stay hot and a million dollars is how much most people make in 10-20 years.

>>35908579
because you make threads about her you fat cunt

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>this entire thread
looking for McDeath, commies?

>>35908579
>Watchu doing with your lives?
Fapping to you on snap chat

>>35910876
I don't even think it's niggers, it's corporations (the true niggers). Some large production corporation noticed that this dumb bitch has popularity. They realize that they can abuse this popularity to make money off the dumb bitch. Throw her a contract, convince her she's special, turn her psychologically into a retarded meme machine to perpetuate the popularity and therefor the money. Names are worth too much in this world, Trump would be nothing if it weren't for his father's name.

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>>35910979
WHY THE FUCK IS HITLER IN THERE YOU PIECE OF SHIT JEWKEK TARD

TRIGGERED REEEE

>>35911114
>national socialist
>national
>SOCIALIST

>>35909032
>enginieering and science didn't exist 300 years ago

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>>35910864
There were millions of Communists like you who couldn't believe that THEY! What?!? Me?!? Why am I going to the Gulag? ME?!? I, I, I me in the Gulag? I didn't do anything!

This can't be happening!

Fucking millions. Millions of pathetic communist fucks that jumped on the wrong train and wondered why they're thrown into the sludge with the rest of the scum. Read the Gulag Archipelago you absolutely useless worm, because that's what going to happen to you if you get your wish.

You're going to be shitting your pants dying of dysentery crying yourself to sleep every night.

>>35909042
>capitalism is human nature
>has only existed for 300 years
goddamn you guys are literally ghetto nigger-tier ignorant

>>35910695
There is nothing wrong with this. Actors and musicians in the arts get paid millions of dollars as well for barely any worthwhile work.

Should be ban the arts?

>>35910695
Different anon here.

All of the thing you say are true, however, the 14 year old hood rat provides humanity with fresh young pussy, ass and tits. Literally the most desired goods in the entire world.

Everything any man has ever built was created for him to get pussy. Sex is the ultimate luxury which every other part of society was built around. Look at the music or movie industry for fucks sake. Is it fair? No. But it's how nature works. Humans are animals constantly on a quest to get laid.

The fact that a 14 year old with massive tits is made a millionaire should not surprise you nor be seen as a 'problem' that modern society suffers from. It's simply nature. It's always been this way.

>>35911177
>300 years

No, it hasn't.

>>35910133
Get into some obnoxiously ostentatious hobby like antique candelabra restoration anon.

>>35911072
>has to shove in a little Trump mention at the end

Classic.

>>35909654
>Fired from job even though I was outperforming others.

how does this even happen?

>>35910666
>they don't live in an actual barrel leeching off Starbuck's WiFi
I swear to god these newfags get worse every fucking year, where have the actual robots gone to?

>>35911206
yes it is you dumb nigger
At earliest capitalism emerged from mercantilism in the 16th century

>all these brainwashed retards thinking the only models for society are either acumulating all material possesion you can at the expense of others or living in a comune of treehuggers

>>35911156
Have fun breaking rocks with other rocks.

>>35911279
Free and fair trade has always been a natural human way of economics. Nobody needs a monolithic government to step in between two people and decide what value is to both and what the needs of each individual are relative to them and each other.

Me trading you a 20 chickens for your hog in a civil trade is a natural human expression of economics and it's been working for quite literally tens of thousands of years.

>>35911309
Quite the non-response. Seriously, read the works of The Gulag Archipelago you absolute morally corrupt worm. Amazing that someone can openly declare that the concept of gulags and forced labour punishments in a totalitarian state is something to admire. YOU would be the one in the gulag, I'd be dead long before my time came.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Day_in_the_Life_of_Ivan_Denisovich

Read this too, you're going to find that the majority of people in the gulag system were communist supporters that were thrown in the gulags by their friends and family having to "rat on them" for false crime, because in the Soviet Union the philosophy was that there were always provocateurs, and if you didn't have any in your immediate vicinity you're obviously lying, so you better give us some names.

You're an absolute waste of human life, and helicoptering you before you try and achieve your always failed vision of Socialist Utopia is going to save thousands of lives. You are scum, the lowest of all human lifeforms and the death of you will be a net-win for the entire planet and all of the animals on said planet, including humanity.

>>35911183
Of course not. I guess my point is capitalism causes society's values to be unconsciously determined by our primal nature. We value entertainment and drama over health and well being. We value the lives of celebrities more than those around us, often times more than friends and family. We value character over care. Not to imply I'm a communist or anarchist or some shit, but the American right is so conservative capitalist as to be indistinguishable from the extreme left.

>>35911244
Well, he's clearly the epitome of what I'm talking about, but there are countless examples of people who are nothing without their names. It doesn't matter your politics, that's literally how he makes his living and is of course the only reason you know who he is

>>35911439
When the time comes we'll just line assholes like you up in front of a trench anyway, so what the fuck do you care what happens after?

>>35911461
>Of course not. I guess my point is capitalism causes society's values to be unconsciously determined by our primal nature

Wow, such a horrible idea. Acting naturally as humans naturally act, in respectful and meaningful interactions without government forcing its idea of utopia upon you.

>We value entertainment and drama over health and well being.

What does this even mean? People have different value structures. I value both, one more than the other but it doesn't mean I have to pick and choose. I love art, and I love the fact I can live in a society where I can make a living doing almost anything I want, not what a monolithic government wants ME to do.

>We value the lives of celebrities more than those around us, often times more than friends and family.

Again, people have different value structures. Don't associate yourself with those people if you don't like it, but don't tear down an entire system because of it.

>>35911518
>but there are countless examples of people who are nothing without their names.

His name didn't have intrinsic value you fool, he had value because he was a businessman who made money. We've always seen what your lot has done to the kulaks before, it's all about jealousy.

>>35911544
>we'll

Again, you're not going to be a card-carrying party member in a cool uniform. You're going to be an emaciated shell of a human being rotting away in a cot with rats running across you.

That's what happened to people like you. You lived under fear until you were thrown into literal hellscapes of human misery. There are plenty of totalitarian states for you to live in, go live in them and let the rest of us morally righteous people live with our families in peace away from destruction.

Read literature you clown, because you quite honestly haven't a clue what you're talking about. You're a horrible ideologue, and not even a idealogue that understand his ideology. You're what the Soviets considered a useful idiot, someone who bleed in the streets and rot away when you aren't useful anymore.

>>35911439
>capitalism is free trade
this meme needs to end
Capitalism is using other people to do shit for you and them getting less in return than what they produced. This is the aspect of capitalism that lefties like to complain about because muh poor chinese factory workers. I don't give a shit about this though because i don't care about retarded third worlders. My problem with capitalism comes from the fact that they create artificial demand through marketing just so they can make more money. Capitalism is all about unrestrained acumulation of wealth at all cost, even if it drags civilization and culture down the shitter. All this degenerate modern bullshit is the direct effect of capitalism. Did you really think 300 years ago you had mass advertisement?
I'm not saying normies weren't retarded in the past, the were just retarded in different ways, and capitalism may have brought us good things like advancements in technology, it came at the expense of making modern culture the toxic garbage that it is.

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>more capitalism/communism dichotomy that only exists in theory and literature but never means fucking anything when applied to real situations

When did you first realize economists are literally the most pitiful and dogmatic academics on the planet?

>>35911654
>Capitalism is using other people to do shit for you and them getting less in return than what they produced.

Because you're the one who owns the machines and the people who don't work for you to help create value with you in exchange for a wage.

We get it, the kulaks are baaaaaaad and evil and they steeeeeeeeeal from you so you should go slaughter them all. We've heard this 100 years ago. This isn't a revolutionary idea, it was an idea that resulted in the deaths of 30 million people.

People having more than you doesn't mean they did it in a nefarious way. I supposed to the homeless bum you're his kulak and you STOLE from him and that's why he's so downtrodden. You oppressive asshole. Give him your things or it's off to the gulag systems with you.

And don't forget, it's morally wrong to eat your children.

>>35908579

Don't blame capitalism as a system, which we barely have, for this. Blame the fucking culture that creates the DEMAND for this SUPPLY.

Capitalism is freedom, which means you have to the freedom to come up with great things and shitty things. And people are free to like shitty things. Capitalism just lets them have it because it's fair.

Blaming capitalism is like watching an idiot wreck their car and saying "welp, cars were a mistake, let's ban cars!"

>>35908743
>>35908785

Yeah and there is this element I called "forced marketing" which is when the entertainment industry sees something they think they can exploit and they start throwing tons of money at them. Usually it doesn't end in long-term success. This girl, given her love of of being stupid, will burn out in 2 or 3 years. They wouldn't be doing if they didn't think people thought she was hot/fuckable either.

But the money she makes and blows through goes back into the economy. It goes to people with actual jobs who produced actual products.

>>35908893

This. And their shallow materialism is somehow spun into reflecting negatively on the ideas (capitalism, freedom, free markets, free expression) that have brought so much good for us all. Cancerous parasites.

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>>35911654
I'll take the culture of freedom for degenerates to spend their money on degenerate things over the culture of walking past starting and emaciated near-corpses any fucking day of the year, and so would you if you only understood the fucking horror of such a state.

There's a reason starvation is virtually extinct in capitalist societies, and there's a reason people starve to death under socialism. One creates more wealth and freedom than the other.

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>>35911850

>people starve to death under socialism
>literally every modern first-world nation has socialist systems in place

Why do people so frequently and naturally assume the only reason a place is poor/rich/healthy/unhealthy is a result of it being either CAPITALISTIC or COMMUNISTIC, as though that determines the trajectory of every outcome produced by that society? They're barely even useful concepts anymore, given that every modern post-industrial nation is an amalgam of market systems that vary considerable.

>>35912014
Not a single first-world nation operates on socialist ideology, wanna try that again?

>REEEEEEEEEEEE SOCIAL SERVICES ARE SOCIALIST!!!!!!!!

Besides the point anyway, we don't need social services. We were well off with charity and church for centuries.

>>35911723
>>35911723
The ones who own machines didn't build those
machines or work the produced the equivelant of those machines. The wages that are payed aren't equivalent of what they produced, but less. And no, the problem with capitalism is that ''wahhh it's not fair'', the problem is that it isn't a sustainable system. Under capitalism there always needs to be an underclass of semi slaves to keep the whole thing running

>>35911850
>There's a reason starvation is virtually extinct in capitalist societies, and there's a reason people starve to death under socialism
Yes, that reason being that all the physical dirty labour in the production process is being done by third worlders. Did you really think the working class from first world countries just dissapeared and raw materials started producing and extracting themselves?

Socialism doesn't work because it's aplied by retarded third worlders who can't go a single day without being corrupt. (yes, korean people are also corrupt degenerated, the only reason south korea could become wealthy is because of US support)


I also like how none of you touched on my point i was making about marketing and creating artificial demand

>>35909231
What about microbiology anon?

>>35911729
>blame the culture that gets every degenerate fantasy fulfilled by the system it resides in

u realize capitalism is why this exists

>>35912097
worked to produce*

>>35908579
I don't understand why people even know who the Kardashians are, but somehow these completely pointless people become celebrities. I've given up on trying make sense of it.

>>35912097
>The ones who own machines didn't build those

They very well could have, but either way their either built them themselves or paid to do so. You're making a presupposition that they've nefariously gotten their wealth.

>The wages that are payed aren't equivalent of what they produced, but less.

Good thing you have the freedom to leave that job and go become a fucking YouTuber who plays video games all day if you don't find the wages fair.

>And no, the problem with capitalism is that ''wahhh it's not fair'', the problem is that it isn't a sustainable system.

It's the most sustainable system ever produced and isn't collapsing anytime soon due to itself.

>Under capitalism there always needs to be an underclass of semi slaves to keep the whole thing running
>semi-slave

Fantastic oxymoron you have there. You're either a slave or you're not.

>>35912189
>The wages that are payed aren't equivalent of what they produced, but less.

I'd also add that you don't have to be a low-skilled worker if you don't want to either, and not all low-skilled workers are paid pennies. Another presupposition on your part, since you're full of them.

>>35908579
Just forget about it, capitalism is degenerate as hell anyway. The only reason First World economies are even still a thing is because they're all propped up with endless moneyprinting. Just let the system collapse, it'll happen within 15 years.

>>35912230
>Just let the system collapse, it'll happen within 15 years.

You're in for some disappointment.

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>>35912081
>ideology
Moving goalposts now.
>social services aren't socialism because I said so
Literally semantics.
>we were well off with charity and church for centuries
>well off

Wew, those good 'ol feudal days, amirite?

>black girl acts ghetto
Lives life as a solo unwanted mum with heaps of kids
>white girls acts ghetto
Lives life as a solo unwanted mum with heaps of kids
>Jewess acts ghetto
Becomes a famous millionaire in a few months by making catchphrases on TV
What the fuck is their secret????!!!!

>>35912248
>dude just keep printing money, nothing will happen lmao

>>35911729
This.
What we need is capitalism but a nationalistc government looking out for its people.
I don't watch tv anymore anyways. Don't feel like living a lie

>>35912266
>Moving goalposts now

No, socialism in and of itself is an group of ideologies, as well as social and economic system.

I didn't say social services aren't socialism. I said the complete opposite you retard. I said they're unnecessary. Great reading comprehension.

>Wew, those good 'ol feudal days, amirite?

Yeah, most people have been relatively well off during feudalism, especially in the West. We happen to not be feudal societies anymore, would you look at that. You don't have to be a feudal society to have a church and charities.

>>35912300
https://www.amazon.com/Basic-Economics-Common-Sense-Economy/dp/0465022529

A five year old like you will be able to understand this book with any luck. Read it.

Capitalism has nothing to do with this.. this is just a reflection of american culture. It's sick and broken. I mean just look at her.. she got famous for saying a stupid line that became a meme, because she was in a show that deals with mental issues. This are the kind of people America looks up to.

>>35912116

The culture CHOOSES to be degenerate. Capitalism lets them have a choose. Forcing them to be NOT degenerate usually just results in them being even more degenerate behind closed doors.

>>35909007

MUH GEN Z IS CONSERVATIVE.

Those poor fools.

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>giving a shit about materialism

>>35912230

And the endless money printing is NOT capitalism. Capitalism uses gold and real money, the government doesn't create the money.

You guys literally blame every fault of government action and socialism on the opposite system. It's retarded.

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>>35908579
Gas the roasties
kill em all
vaginas are gross

>>35912472
>Forcing them to be NOT degenerate usually just results in them being even more degenerate behind closed doors.

And forcing people to do things means a lot of people have to be murdered, but communists for the most part don't shy away from this. They love killing kulaks.

>>35909356
She will probably marry some rich guy who will supply her with sugar.

I hate stupid people who think their intelligent

>>35908579
>40k starting salary
That's a lot more than what I'll ever make in my life.

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>>35911114
>nationalism
cool
>socialist
you know wat i change my mind fuck you

>>35908579

yes capitalism is a mistake, in fact all societies are a mistake

>>35912189
>They very well could have, but either way their either built them themselves or paid to do so. You're making a presupposition that they've nefariously gotten their wealth.
Yeah i don't think the CEO of some multimilion dollar company has build the hundreds of thousants of machines they use or has done physical work producing something eqivalent of those machines.
>paid to do so
paid with what if they didn't produce tangible products even close to what all the company's equipment in quantity
If someone owns more material wealth than what they directly produced, there is always some form of manipulation and apropriating the product of other people's work going on, either if it's direct or indirect.
(and no, ''making decisions'' isn't producing)

>Good thing you have the freedom to leave that job and go become a fucking YouTuber who plays video games all day if you don't find the wages fair.
No they don't, in most of the world you either work the slave job for the big multinational or you starve to death

>It's the most sustainable system ever produced and isn't collapsing anytime soon due to itself.
You may be right on that one. letting others do all the work for your the things you own can be pretty sustainable

>Fantastic oxymoron you have there. You're either a slave or you're not.
They are ''semi''-slaves in that they have the ''freedom'' to either work for the big company that gets to keep the majority of the value they have produced with their work or starve to death

good thing she dies at 27 of whilst trying to be relevant by doing enough heroin to kill an adult elephant

>>35912430
>This are the kind of people America looks up to.
'Look up to' is the wrong expression I think. People don't really look up to her, they laugh at her and watch her to feel good about themselves. She isn't respected by society, she's just being catapulted as a meme in the same way that 'Here Comes Honey Boo Boo' and 'Jersey Shore' were. At some point people will lose interest and she will crash and burn. She's being abused by society because she's a 14 year old with tits and an attitude.

>>35908579
>Yeah i don't think the CEO of some multimilion dollar company has build the hundreds of thousants of machines they use or has done physical work producing something eqivalent of those machines.

Because again, you're full of presuppositions with absolutely no evidence but gut feeling to "prove" it. This is why we can't have a discussion. One of us is using factual empirical evidence, the other is going by MUH FEE-FEES.

>>35912538
>I hate stupid people who think their intelligent
I've got some bad news for you friend...

>>35912566
name a better system than capitalism

>>35908579
>Why?

u mad? That's capitalism bitch. Go the fuck back to commie Russia you yellow bellied socialist

>>35908579
She provides an entertainment product which generates huge sums of wealth.

You whine on the internet about it being unfair because you paid for a college degree and somehow the world owes you.

>>35912644
That's the problem. They can't go back to their socialist utopia of the USSR because IT COLLAPSED BECAUSE IT WASN'T SOCIALIST!

If they were in charge of things after 1917 though, boy let me tell you it wouldn't have went the way of Stalinism, it would be a literal paradise with chocolate milk rivers and flying rainbow cars. If only it was them in charge!

>>35912628

living in a tribal system with people that are actually related to you, instead of living in babylon with strangers and different races keep coming in

only a multicultural society needs money, because it's a death cult, a temporary and abstract form of slavery that goes against nature and is unnatural

>>35912686
Yeah but family is boring and video games are awesome. Dad might be able to fashion a stick and a rock into a game, but who needs that?

>>35912219
>I'd also add that you don't have to be a low-skilled worker if you don't want to either, and not all low-skilled workers are paid pennies
We can't all be managers and office workers, someone has to do the physical labour in the production process. The demand for white collar jobs is limited, not everyone makes the cut, and the ones get left out get the pleasure of having their hard work literally stolen from them

>>35911253
Office politics. Who you know is much more important than how well you do.

>>35912742
>We can't all be managers and office workers

Because that's the way things are. Back in tribal societies not everyone could be a warrior. It's not unfair, that how things are. If you can't do it you shouldn't do it, you should be doing something you're good at.

If what you're good at is being taken up by others who are also good at it, tough goddamn shit. Did it ever occur to you that you aren't asked to be brought into the world? It's not your choice, get on with it or die.

That's how it's always have been. You're not a prey animal, you're a human being and you live in a society where you have choices. Right now you could be making money, but you're not.

Why?

>>35911279
Dude the 16th century was 500 years ago... you said it is 300 years before this, are you retarded?

>>35908893
>>35911729
>Somehow black people are to blame for the shitty sides of capitalism

kek you cucks are obsessed

>>35912680
the ussr not being socialist isn't a meme, it's an actual fact.

Socialism = you own what you produce

The ones in charge of the ussr didn't produce jack shit. The country was literally one big corporation with stalin as the head CEO. It was impossible for the workers to get in return what they produced because they had a parasitic governement and bureaucracy to support

>>35908743
sorry sweetie but girls have to work more than men because of the wage gap :)

>>35912793
I said the 16th century *at most*. This was the age of mercantilism, a kind of proto-capitalism

>>35912686
people related to you are arseholes just because they know you doesn't mean they are good people so id much rather be around strangers who don't know me and who I have control over than people who know me and can control me just as much I can them

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>>35912816
Wew lad.

So really what you're saying is Socialism is SUPER CAPITALISM. Got it.

>>35912816
>Socialism = you own what you produce
kek

>>35912816
=you own what you produce
Yep, lemme go build my own phone, build my own house, tv, electrical system and water system, heating, plumbing, etc.
And books, music, art, film, etc.

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>>35912816
It was impossible to get in return what they produced because the quotas were higher than their fucking than their outputs due to the Communists rounding up all the evil affluent farmers and fucking slaughtering them, resulting in the deaths of 30 million people.

>>35912925
This
Face it sweetie, your little communist thing will never work out :)

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>>35910133
pls send me money so i can buy more bitcoin, anon

>>35912816
But anon, the means of production all belong to the Government under socialist rule.

You can't even grow a tomato in your own land, oh wait you won't even have a right to own land.

>>35913085
Who needs land anyways
Or food
i l-love socialism

>>35913109
Once these retards would realize they can't spend 10 hours on 4chan anymore and actually have to work the fields, they'll kill themselves.

>>35912792
>Because that's the way things are. Back in tribal societies not everyone could be a warrior. It's not unfair, that how things are. If you can't do it you shouldn't do it, you should be doing something you're good at.

Just because you are better apt for producing tangible products than for leading other people doesn't mean that you should get to own only a fraction of what you produce.
Also, because you're good at leading doesn't mean you should get to own the majority of what other people produce.
Also funny you braught up tribal societies, seeing as in those societies almsot everyone produced tangible things.

>If what you're good at is being taken up by others who are also good at it, tough goddamn shit. Did it ever occur to you that you aren't asked to be brought into the world? It's not your choice, get on with it or die.
People don't get into positions of power and wealth because they're the best at what they do or are the hardest workers
It's mainly a question of luck and connections. You mus be pretty deluded if you seriously believe we (or even worse, the world) live in a meritocracy

>That's how it's always have been. You're not a prey animal, you're a human being and you live in a society where you have choices. Right now you could be making money, but you're not.
I am making money though, but you are right, ideally i would like to own as much as i contribute to the world

>>35913143
>Just because you are better apt for producing tangible products than for leading other people doesn't mean that you should get to own only a fraction of what you produce.

Yes it does. I don't own the property or the machinery that the owner is allowing me to use in exchange for a wage. You're over-entitled.

>People don't get into positions of power and wealth because they're the best at what they do or are the hardest worker

Remember when I said you're full of presuppositions with no evidence to back them up and that's why we can't have a civil discussion? Well, you're full of presuppositions with no evidence to back them up and that's why we can't have a civil discussion.

>>35912493
Government is necessary for capitalism to exist. They're not necessarily opposed to one another.

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>TV

No one under 30 is responsible for this

>>35913307
>Government is necessary for capitalism to exist.

You really need to learn economics.

>>35912859
>>35912876

CEOs produced what they own
Socialism means every single person performing physical labour to produce and not having some upper class of manipulators getting the product of everyone else's work while being under the guise of ''leading''

>>35912925
>>35912944
Everything you see and own has been produced by people using their physical energy. These people did produce more tangible wealth than you ever will but own a lot less than you (asuming you life in the first world)

>>35912927
slaughtering farmers =/= socialism
Also as morbid as this may seem, the slaughtering of farmers would mean there would mean a lower quota required to feed the population. Face it, socialism didn't work because of a buraucracy that didn't produce anything but still needed to consume (just like in capitalism) Now you could say that the requirement of a buraucracy could be a good argument against large scale socialism, but nope, everyone here went with the ''lel socialism is capitalism then'' bullshit

>>35913416
>ceo's produce what they own
should have been greentexted.
though i wouldn't be surprised if you guys unironically believed this

>>35913416
>slaughtering farmers =/= socialism
>Also as morbid as this may seem, the slaughtering of farmers would mean there would mean a lower quota required to feed the population.

This is why we threw you out of helicopters. You are deranged and dangerous people living in delusional fantasy lands with dreams of impossible utopias.

>>35913452
Go build me a cell phone right now that is as good or better than an iPhone or Android.

>40k starting salary
>tfw graduate with stem degree and dont even get that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-gD9PYqSps

>>35913471

>CEOs design the phones their companies sell

>>35913391
NAP and private courts aren't going to protect your property rights, cuck.

>>35908579
Jokes on her. She's going to get raped on the casting couch.

>>35913188
>Yes it does. I don't own the property or the machinery that the owner is allowing me to use in exchange for a wage. You're over-entitled.
Wait, so workers who don't want the majority of the value of their work taken away from them because they use the machinery of the ''owner'' (who didn't build them) are over entitled, but expecting to own the majority of the value of the labour of other people because they use your ''property'' (that you didn't produce or produce the equivalent to trade it with) is perfectly reasonable? ok then

>Remember when I said you're full of presuppositions with no evidence to back them up and that's why we can't have a civil discussion? Well, you're full of presuppositions with no evidence to back them up and that's why we can't have a civil discussion.
It is literally impossible for the real big guys of capitalism to have produced the equivalent of value of everything they own themselves.

>>35913701
>NAP and private courts aren't going to protect your property rights, cuck.

I'm not a libertarian. Your presuppositions are just falling out of your ass now, all covered in shit.

>CEOs design the phones their companies sell

You're not a CEO, I said build me an phone as good as an iPhone or Android. You'd be a worker. Use your working skills to build me it.

>>35913471
>Le Capitalism built the Iphone meme

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-military-is-responsible-for-almost-all-the-technology-in-your-iphone-2014-10

>>35913416
So you're actually implying that these workers would've actually gone ahead and developed the products themselves without anyones guidance or financial incentive? All those people whos job is to do the most repetitive and menial shit would've actually come up with all those products that they're putting together?
You are fucking deluded.

I hope she dies.
Not even being edgy... I genuinely hope she dies, and soon.
I can't see her being rich and famous being any benefit to this world at all.
A world where she's rich and famous will only create more shitty copycats who are worse.
People will see it and want to be it.

>>35913820
>So you're actually implying that these workers would've actually gone ahead and developed the products themselves without anyones guidance or financial incentive? All those people whos job is to do the most repetitive and menial shit would've actually come up with all those products that they're putting together?
probably

>>35913810
A military owned and operated by a government who practices capitalism.

Congratulations for trying whatever you were trying to prove.

>>35913810
Apple is a private company who sells consumer goods.

>>35913471
>This is why we threw you out of helicopters. You are deranged and dangerous people living in delusional fantasy lands with dreams of impossible utopias.
>We are alowed to be deranged and dangerous people throwing people with diferent ideas out of helicopters though, because we don't believe in ''utopias'' and accept the reality of having a small group of people owning the majority of what the majority of the slave world population produce

>>35913923
The idea you're promoting have lead to over 100 million deaths just within the past 100 years. That's why you were thrown out of helicopters. Your ideology is literal evil and almost ended in nuclear war.

>>35913877
>A military owned and operated by a government who practices capitalism.

Way to stretch your argument, kiddo. It's original intention was a tool for the military. It was corporations that decide to sell it to consumers. Capitalism didn't make the Iphone for you

>>35913874
Well, then you are truly fucking deluded. If civilization was left in the hands of these people, we'd still be living in the stone age.

>>35913965
Capitalism has made cell phones besides the iPhone. You're making a literal non-argument. Apple is a privately owned corporation that specializes in developing, making and selling personal consumer electronics.

>>35914022
I think we would be living in the age of magic

>>35913820
no, i am saying the ones who develope the products shouldn't be able to be slave owners and do jack shit while producing nothing of worth other than an concept. Of course the world needs thinkers, inventors and administrators, but we live in a world where a small group of people do jack shit other than make decisions and think this grands them the majority of the wealth, because they ''took risks''

>>35914065
They took risks with their fucking money, that you again, automatically fall back upon a presupposition of them somehow accumulating said money in some evil and nefarious way of fucking over the people.

If people like you were in charge we wouldn't be living in the stone age, we'd be fucking dead. Annihilated.

>>35908579
i would catch a charge to give her a creampie

>>35913940
I'm pointing out the reality of why the population of farmers that weren't slaughtered weren't able to be fed, and that it wasn't because those slaughtered farmers couldn't contribute to the quota but rather because they couldn't sustain a corrupt governement besides themselves. Didn't you read the part where i said socialism =/= slaughtering farmers?

>>35914148
You are deluded, wrong on the facts and just morally bankrupt.

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>>35913731
>doesn't understand basic economic principles
Jesus Christ sometimes communists really let their retarded logic run wild. CEO's don't hire people to produce products because they want to suppress society. It's simple efficiency. Why would I waste 3 years building a single car from scratch and selling that when I could hire a factory of workers and get 1 car done in 3 minutes. The workers exchange their work for a wage. If the benefit that they are getting from their work isn't enough for them then they'll leave. It's human nature you continue doing something until the marginal benefit isn't worth the marginal cost. Have you ever actually compared The wage and conditions of a sweatshop job vs other jobs for that skill level bracket? Working in the sweatshop is one of the safer and more profitable options. Is it equal to an American wage? No but is it good enough for them to continue working there? Why would someone who is trying to make a profit over pay workers who would gain little benefit from the additional pay. Work is outsourced because it is cheaper to produce in an eastern sweatshop and the workers gain benefit by having a stable safe job. MMiddle schoolers could understand this.

>>35914106
>They took risks with their fucking money
money that they didn't earn.
I don't know if you noticed, but it is physically impossible for a, what, 40 yo ceo to have produced value with their with their physical work that is the equivalent of the millions he used to make the decisions. He may have climbed the corporate ladder as an employee or he may have started the buisiness, but he didn't
physically the literal millions worth of equipment and machinery. Should he receive a compensation for the task of leading the corporation? Of course (though under socialism there wouldn't be a single person or a small group of people making all the decicions, rather the workers would own the means of production and buisiness decisions would include workers in a democratic matter). But there is a huge gray area between receiving a reasonable compensation for doing leadership tasks (besides producing yourself, mind you) and getting to own the majority of the value of other people's jobs

>automatically fall back upon a presupposition of them somehow accumulating said money in some evil and nefarious way of fucking over the people.
Accumulating money for your own personal consumption over the back of other people who were directly responsible for the generation of value is indeed evil

>If people like you were in charge we wouldn't be living in the stone age, we'd be fucking dead. Annihilated.
Nope, if people like me were in charge lack of material possesion to lead a reasonable good life would be non existant because there wouldn't be a small group lifing in ridiculous luxury disproportional to the work they do

>>35914478
>money that they didn't earn.

Kill yourself and save up the trouble, please.

>>35908893
No, not sending them back after the war was the mistake. You fucked up big Abe....

>>35909407
You sound angry. I suggest fucking off, nigger.

>>35908579
I just searched that "catch me outside" in youtube. What a hood-assed skank. Death is all she really deserves...

>>35914176
it's not my problem you are unable to into reading comprehencion. But whatever, i'll play along, what ''facts'' am i wrong about?

>>35914297
where exactly did i say people should perform the entire process of production on their own? Where did i say division of labour is a bad thing? Labour can be quantifiable even if you don't do all the work from raw materials to the end product yourself (yes, i'm talking about the labour theory of value)

>CEO's don't hire people to produce products because they want to suppress society
I never said that, CEO's unlimited acumulation is a result of capitalism, if the company doesn't produce the most wealth possoble it would it would be crushed by other companies.

>The workers exchange their work for a wage. If the benefit that they are getting from their work isn't enough for them then they'll leave
As i pointed out before, this isn't really an option for the majority of the world population belonging to the working class

>It's human nature you continue doing something until the marginal benefit isn't worth the marginal cost
There is a huge diference between getting a benefit that is larger than the cost and maximizing your benefit at the expence of everything else (the enviroment, the wellbeing of your workers, and also indirectly of the cultures and of societies) because of the constant danger of being crushed by another corporation who was willing to be more sociopathic in their maximization of profit.

>Work is outsourced because it is cheaper to produce in an eastern sweatshop and the workers gain benefit by having a stable safe job
Or you know, they could produce their own shit without the ''leadership'' of big foreign corporation (which is impossible because of politics and treaties which are basically impossed upon them)

>>35909076
This, she just hit the lottery, just worry about your own choices in life and if you get lucky enough you can be like Bill Gates so long as you also have the hard work and talent

>>35914517
>Ceo chad did righfully earn the multi million dollar bonus! Don't you know how much coke he had to snort of strippers asses at parties with their associates and buisiness partners? get off his case, he works much harder than those loser factoryworker in some third world country working from 8am to 10pm

>>35914885
A foreign firm trying to muscle in on an already established firm
They could technically make it themselves but they would be much better off producing something else and just trading for it.
And the work is quantified if the workers didn't think they were paid fairly(not just monetary compensation job security benefits etc) for what they do they would quit or ask for a raise

>>35909067
Kill yourself white liberal

>>35908579
>"Was OP a mistake?"
Something your parents likely said when you were born

>>35908579
Capitalism wasn't a mistake. She has something that many people like. Therefore, she makes a lot of money. She has no "set in stone" income, and thus makes more than you. Get over it.