Who /communist/ here? Capitalcucks need not apply.

>>35827130
DUHH I LOVE COMMINIMS I HAVE AUTISM MOMMY GIVE MILKY MY TINY PEEPEE NEDS SUCKY SUCK

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>>35827130
Antifa standing by, comrade

>>35827141
This, communism is the way comrades.

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>>35827130
Go back to /pol/ fag, we don't need that here.
>americuck thinks communism is good
>never went to Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia, China, KPR

Daily reminder that communism is a mental disorder

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commuKEKS out

>>35827130
Me to be honest famicom 64.

>>35827130
yeah sure I'd try it

>>35827209

What is "human nature"?

Cannot two different humans be of two separate natures?

And, if so-called "human nature", or even simply some aspect of "nature" in general determines human behavior, how can free will exist?

>>35827130
Not me. I'm not equal to you. I'm better than you.

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>>35827130
When I was much younger, I used to identify as an anarchocommunist. I gradually drifted rightward into anarchosyndicalism (and am still a card-carrying Wobbly organizer to this day) but 25 years of being forced to organize with generations of reds, Trots, tankies, leftists, and harder-core-than-thou campus radicals has convinced me that I really don't want to share-and-share-alike with shirkers who are always first in line when there's a fiery manifesto to sign or a flag to wave in front of a camera, but vanish without a trace when there's hard, boring, and unglamorous work which needs to be done to keep the machinery of resistance and education going.

These days I identify as a mutualist anarchist, mutualism usually being regarded as slightly right of centre.

>>35827374
Just identify yourself as another suicide statistic already, fucking homo.

>>35827398
How long did it take you to write that? Ten seconds? Less? How can you possibly be proud of something a chimp could have written? See, the problem isn't that you're an alt-right troglodyte, it's that you're *stupid*.

>>35827130
i too remember when i was 13

>>35827374
>autism
1234567890

>>35827422
idk, i thought it was pretty funny. lighten up a little, maybe.

BABY WANT MILKY

WWAAAH

WAAAAAAAAAAH DRUMPHFY SCARES ME

>>35827142
I wish Antifa was more active in my area.

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Here comes based lumberjack to chop down commies

>>35827374

>mutualism usually being regarded as slightly right of centre

Pretty sure in the mainstream American political climate (American here) mutualism would be considered radical left.

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Wow, the angry white teenybopper Trumplorables are really threatened by anything which invades their safe space with alien ideas from outside their suburban bubble. Should we have posted a trigger warning, snowflakes?

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Who /Egoist/ here? Spooks need not apply.

Capitalism is quite evil in my opinion.

What's so great about old white men wanting more and more. Crushing the small companies and paying their staff as little as legally possible.

>b-but this is muh American dream, no one will stop be getting muh dream I was promised, hear whiney employes won't get in muh way wanting a day off ITS MUH DREAM

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>>35827374
>be fascist
>mfw know more about anarchism than you and most so-called anarchist brainlets

>>35827509
do you purchase stuff like soda? chips? buy games off the internet? clothes?

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>>35827484
Political compass puts mutualism right of centre (and mutualists are often criticized by left-leaning anarchists as being crypto-capitalists), but I don't think you can judge much by Amerikan politics, which has become a de facto one-party police State with every candidate espousing far-right, authoritarian views with only the slightest differences between them.

>>35827509
>Crushing the small companies and paying their staff as little as legally possible
If you understood economics, you'd realize that if this was really the case, and not some retarded whiny delusion your mentally-ill commietard brain thought up, this would be counterproductive and actually decrease profit.

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>>35827512
Well, seeing as I'm a professional union organizer who teaches organizing to young actvists and I've read everything Malatesta has ever written, along with Bakunin, Kropotkin, Goldman, Berkman, Rocker, and Proudhon, that either means you're a prodigiously-educated academic or a loud-mouthed Dunning-Kruger ignoramus. I'm pretty sure I know which one it is.

>>35827130
communism is a beautiful lie but capitalism is the hard truth

>>35827499
"Individualism is, in theory, a kind of Anarchy without cooperation. It is therefore no better than a lie, because liberty is not possible without Solidarity, without cooperation. The criticism which Individualists pass on government is merely the wish to deprive it of certain functions, to hand them over virtually to the capitalists. But it cannot attack those repressive functions which form the essence of government, for without an armed force the proprietary system could not be upheld." -- Errico Malatesta

>>35827467

>You are not entitled to someone else's hard-earned money...ever

What if the money wasn't hard-earned by that person?

For example, if they got the money by employing children in dangerous conditions to create goods, and then paid those children only a fraction of the monetary value of those goods, but kept the lion's share for themselves?

In that case, it was the children who did the "hard earning".

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>>35827509
>What's so great about old white men wanting more and more
>Le old white man meme
>prep le bull guys

>Crushing the small companies
Whats so great about small companies?
You do realize not all capitalist systems are completely unrestricted, laissez-faire systems.

>paying their staff as little as legally possible.
If your work is worth a damn you'll get compensated well for it because they want to keep you. You're basically arguing everyone get compensated poorly regardless of skills or work because it fits your misguided definition of fairness, as opposed to the ones performing the most menial work.

>>35827374

Yo my man, what's your take on the Rojava situation?

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Fuck off back to libweeniepol

>>35827467
>socialism leads to communism
What?

>>35827499

The ego is the biggest spook of all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdeLUNi2uJs

>>35827551
>DONT YOUR DARE TAKE AWAY MUH DREAM

But sir, we are paid to little, worked to hard, have no benefits and i have recently noticed a "ulitities deduction" from out pay check, are you now charging us for a share of the companies utility bills?

>HOW DARE YOU KILL MY DREAMS SNIFF SNIFF ITS MUH DREAM, MUH AMERICAN DREAM, YOU ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF ME WAAAAAH.

*Enters nosebergs friends

"Don't let them ruin your dream noseberg, doesn't matter if they can't afford housing food or health care... This is your dream noseberg"

>Yerrrr hurr Durr i guess you're right fuck them

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Who /fully automated luxury gay space communism/ here?

>>35827621

>If your work is worth a damn you'll get compensated well for it because they want to keep you.

If businesses operate with the aim of securing high profits, then they we can logically deduce that they ONLY hire workers who are worth a damn.

Therefore by your logic, all workers are well-compensated. And yet, this is not the case.

Guys, the problem isn't wages. It's inflation.

>>35827130
You're worse than nazis

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>>35827577
>union organizer

You cunts ruined unions by letting them get taken over by SJW racebaiting gay tranny communist feminism bullshit.

We just wanted to get paid fairly, make sure our employer addressed safety issues and that we wouldn't get fired for bullshit reasons.

We had that, everything was good.

Then everything went full on SJW faggot mode, and our union lost a lot of members because SURPRISE! it turns out working class male labourers aren't really on board with the whole trannies and revolution bullshit.

WHY
WHY DID THIS HAPPEN

>>35827631
But it is true. According to marxist theory socialism is transition state between capitalism and communism. Alsoot should be noted that taxes \=\ communism. Socialism is USSR. Communism is ideal world that will come at the end

>>35827664
Thats not "my logic" at all. I said if your work is worth a damn. I.E. Your work requires skill, intellect, experience, competency, etc.

Not "workers". You unironically believe the work of some teenage greaseball working a register is equivalent to an engineer or diplomat.

That might be a bad analogy though because most of the work in a communist system is done out in the fields or in the mines. Not you though, you'd be general secretary of the party.

>>35827715
Okay, guess I defined 'socialism' as an umbrella term for all the leftist kinds of ideology.

>>35827130
ROBOTS UNITE
I hope the revolution comes soon

Communism is just capitalism where the government has a monopoly over every market and we are their property. Prove me wrong, lefties.

>>35827622
We've seen this before with the Durruti Column. The thing is, anarchists and communists have no trouble winning on the battlefield. Most armies fight until they take 10%-20% losses, at which point they've lost so many officers that the enlisted men surrender without leadership. Anarchists (like the Durruti Column and Makhno's Makhnovshchina) and small-c communists (like the Italian partisans) are all highly-motivated volunteers, and will fight to the death. Read accounts of Franco's invasion of Spain; in the first battle, Durruti's forces had nothing but hunting rifles and shotguns, and none of them had military experience, while Franco's men were all veterans with military weapons and supported by mortars -- but Franco's men were so sickened and horrified by the scale of the resistance and the savagery of the bloodshed that they retreated in dismay.

But where anarchists and communist *always* lose is in the halls of power. Betrayed by Stalin in Spain and Trotsky in Ukraine, or sold out by their own leadership (like the CNT). I don't doubt that they can beat ISIS, but I don't think it will ultimately make much difference unless and until there's a way to *keep* any gains afterward.

>>35827719

>I said if your work is worth a damn. I.E. Your work requires skill, intellect, experience, competency, etc.

I interpreted "worth a damn" to mean profiting the owner of the company you work for.

If you're creating more value for him than he is paying you, then you are indeed worth a damn from the perspective of a capitalist. Otherwise he would fire you because he's unable to extract greater value from your labor than he grants you in wages.

The proletariat class is incredibly valuable to the bourgeoisie; otherwise they wouldn't hire them.

>You unironically believe the work of some teenage greaseball working a register is equivalent to an engineer or diplomat.

I said nor implied any such thing.

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>>35827130
Did you ever watch the matrix or animatrix, the robots?

That's what communism is. Nothing but robots and ants. Nothing but failure. Commies are failures. I have yet to meet a commie who has hair on his chest/can grow a beard. Bunch of inept children.

>>35827763
>The proletariat class is incredibly valuable to the bourgeoisie; otherwise they wouldn't hire them.
Must organize "A Day Without Proles" protest asap

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>>35827708
First off, I'm a Wobbly. The IWW isn't like other unions. We never have been. We are, and always have been, straight up-front about being a revolutionary, anti-capitalist organization prepared to use whatever methods are most effective, whether that means a card campaign or dynamite. Pro tip: look up the Centralia Massacre to see how the IWW deals with people who threaten us.

Second, unions have nothing to do with "higher wages" or workplace safety. Those are things unions can do, but that's not what a union is. Read the preamble to our constitution if you want to know what a REAL union is:

http://www.iww.org/culture/official/preamble.shtml

> Instead of the conservative motto, "A fair day's wage for a fair day's work," we must inscribe on our banner the revolutionary watchword, "Abolition of the wage system."

>>35827816
That's gotta be the most well thought up honeypot

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>>35827759
>The thing is, anarchists and communists have no trouble winning on the battlefield
Except when they get absolutely btfo? lmao

>>35827816
I'm sure all 10 of you sure are a force of special snowflakes to be reckoned with.

>>35827759

I wasn't really asking from a military perspective: I'm 100% sure that the forces of international imperialism will try to crush their revolution immediately when all's said and done in Syria.

I was asking from an organizational perspective. Their so-called Democratic Confederalism. It seems like there's a LOT we can learn from their system of organized communes into networks of confederations. It's something we've rarely got to witness in practice, and I'd say it's probably the most relevant anarchist experiment in the last 70 years. They've been holding out way longer than the anarchists in Spain had a chance to, and they're getting more organized with each passing day.

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>>35827166
>never went to Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia, China, KPR
This.

The reality is that (((communism))) is neither about worker empowerment nor equality. Rather it is a means for the Jews to destroy the national identities of nations, destroy their ruling class/most exceptional individuals of those nations, and to seize power for themselves.

If you support Marxism in any form, you're a fool.

>>35827848
We've been doing this since 1905, snookums. The IWW has been at the forefront of every labour battle for more than a century despite the best efforts of the State and the capitalist bosses to stop us by deportation and assassination. And many of those fights -- like the Battle of Blair Mountain or the Centralia Massacre -- were actual *battles*.

>>35827860
I think the Zapatistas have been at it longer, and with more success. It's especially interesting to see how the Zapatistas transitioned into the realization that a strong media campaign with international support is worth more than a handful of old AK-47s. The Zapatistas are the first post-modern attempt at anarchist organizing on a large scale, I think. And the Zapatistas' strongest influence is Kropotkin's Conquest of Bread, where he argues that a focus on issues like education and food security are necessary before anything useful can be done with guns and bombs. No sane person will join a revolution unless and until the revolutionaries show they can keep the machinery of civilization running afterward -- hence the Zapatistas setting up schools and food co-ops.

>>35827896

>their ruling class/most exceptional individuals

By "exceptional", do you mean morally superior, or just unusual?

I mean the Rothschilds are certainly exceptional people.

>>35827142
antifas are faggots and not true communists

>>35827930
>By "exceptional", do you mean morally superior, or just unusual?
Talented, influential, perhaps of high morals, but just things of that nature. Most of these individuals are eliminated in some way and gradually replaced by Jews following a communist takeover.
>I mean the Rothschilds are certainly exceptional people.
Personally I often wonder if it was the intent of the USSR to merge with Rothschilds and those like them, eventually forming a world government. But that's just speculation.

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This man is your friend.

Please rise up so we can kill you and get it over with

Please

>>35827914
>and with more success

I'd argue against that. I think precisely because of the nature of their situation (being in a region abandoned by its internationally recognized state powers during a civil war) they have been dealt an incredible amount of autonomy and freedom, and have built a much more complex society than the Zapatistas ever had a chance to. I mean, they're fucked for resources because no only it's the fucking middle east, but most of their shit has been bombed to hell and back, but from a social point of view they've brought an incredible amount of political progress to the region.

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>>35828135
The real test won't come until the bombs and bullets stop flying. Like you saw in Spain and Ukraine, it was easy to build and maintain solidarity as long as there was an external enemy to keep people focused, but the second people had a chance to breathe, the more authoritarian-minded started scrambling for power. And those who already had positions of power started seeing enemies everywhere.

That's why I think the Zapatistas are a more successful example; they put down their guns and continued to function even without constant fighting. Their schools, farms, co-ops, and collectives continue to work, and peolple are getting along with constant power struggles.

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>>35827130
I know a girl who asked me what my opinion of communism was. I thought it was a strange question because last time she asked it her boyfriend put her in the hospital so I thought that was playing with fire a bit but I just told her I never gave it much thought.

I would be a communist if they weren't so anti white.
Most of you are 5 minutes away from
>and this is why we have to import third worlders so whites become a minority and communist parties can be elected

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I've been waiting for a thread like this for a long time.
It's hilarious seeing all these capitalist classcucks in this thread, who literally don't know a single thing about communism, nor have they done any research on it or read about it (besides pro-capitalist western bourgeoise propaganda with links to the CIA, which is very anti-communist and thus cannot be trusted.)
Communism will win! And I love my fellow comrades.

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>>35827142
Don't worry goys we've got this covered

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>>35828240
Take that black off your idiot logo, Ayn-cap. Capitalism requires the existence of an owning class and a working class. Classes are antithetical to anarchism. I wish you fucking Randroids would stop dragging anarchism through the mud by claiming to be one of us.

>>35827816
>Gender Equity Committee

>>35828234
It's hilarious seeing all these communist cucks who literally know nothing about the benefits of free market economics and capitalism, nor have they bothered reading worthwile critics of Marxism, dismissing them as "propaganda" and not realizing that this paranoid mindset is what made his works so popular

>>35827740
>Communism = no money
>Capitalism = money

learn your shit before discussing it anon

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>>35828240
oh yeah ancap boys

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>he fell for the capitalism meme

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>>35827130
>>35827142
Don't make me get out my stick

>>35827374

And you've just found out why your system will NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER WORK until the inevitable panopticon of government surveillance is instituted.

You're trying to make happy, selfless workers out of human beings who are, and always shall be, pieces of shit. Your friends, who so disapointed you, are just the virtue-signalling aspect of pieces of shit.

Ironically, we will pass through fascism to get to actual socialism. Fascism will create the systems that allow socialism to actually suceed, because your patriot-shockbelt(tm), which was once used to shock anybody who even muttered "allah ackbar" under his voice will eventually monitor your movements and all activities, and will shock you for shirking on your assigned work duties.

The future trump overlords will live in palaces of unimaginable splendor but shall care that their little worker cucks get along well in the same way that I care for my little colony in Rimworld.

>>35827486
>People disagree with leftists

WOW YOU FASCIST HOW ABOUT YOU GO BACK TO YOUR SAFE SPACE AND CRY ABOUT IT YOU LOSER

>>35827130
LEAVE THIS BOARD FILTHY COMMIES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>35828363
Get back to work wagie. I need my dividends dammit

>>35827142
you're a fucking faggot. and you can't be anarchist and communist.

>capitalist
>Robot
Conter intuitive. /pol/ bros plz leave and be alpha white male on your board

>>35827187
THANK YOU THAT IS TRUE

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>>35829340
You realize you're paraphrasing Marx, right? His "tyranny of the proletariat" was a stage he believed had to be the transitional phase between capitalism and communism. If you want to understand why it's completely wrong, you should read the exchanges between Marx and Bakunin. The Marxists kicked Bakunin and the anarchists out of the First International specifically because they refused to recognize the necessity for a period of authoritarian oppression.

"When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called `the People's Stick'." -- Mikhail Bakunin

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>>35827130
Physical Removal Soon.

>>35829722
Agreed why would anyone want to breed with a braid dead communist.

>>35828222
This nice trips. stop being anti white you cock suckers

>>35829731
>"When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called `the People's Stick'." -- Mikhail Bakunin

cute quote, but that doesn't solve anything. Does Bakunin want a communist regime that works, or does he just want to fantasize?

>this thread
>>>/pol/

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>sucking the dick of Mr goldenstienburg
>Accepting that only 1 percent should be mega rich
>He accepts the disovloiton of the middle class

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVvmmcVvfy0

PHYSICALLY

REMOVE

COMMUNISTS

>>35828222
neoliberals aren't communists, the only thing the two have in common are being left-wing, then again communists don't have such radical opinions of racial politics.

That being said, you're a degenerate for thinking communism would work long term even when it's """""true marxism""""" and even if we had the proper incentive for it in the Western world. Or, like many others, you're just looking at the wrong solution to a valid problem (consumerism and disproportionate wealth distribution)

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>>35829850
Why does it feel so good watching them get beat up?

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>>35829808
If you really want to understand, read Kropotkin's Conquest of Bread. He describes exactly what's necessary in practical terms to bring about an egalitarian revolution.

>>35829893
Because they're a bunch of shithead bullies. It's the same feeling people want when they talk about a beta uprising. Bad people who push you around finally get what's coming to them.

>>35829899
people aren't created equal though

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>>35829909
I ran with ARA in the 80s. I hunted down and forcefully convinced skinheads to vacate the streets with the assistance of a pair of steeltoes. I was really cheering for Trump because he's convinced all you little cockroaches to scuttle out into the light. Rest assured that I'm not too old to cut me a piece of alt-right dismay. You and your buddies should leave your mom's basement and come up and proclaim your proud Aryan heritage on the street. We're waiting for you.

>>35829968
post a selfie
original comment

>>35829968
why do you fight for what you do no other race would do the same for you. they aren't your friends.

>>35829991
inb4 no response

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>>35829991
Photo is from a newspaper article about my organizing activities, so you shouldn't have any trouble figuring out who I am. I ain't hiding, son. Any time your balls feel big and hairy enough, you know where to find me.

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>>35829968

Cool story, bro.

And we're not just a bunch of fringe skinheads in mother's basement. Nationalism is mainstream these days. We have a lot of women and worthy non-whites on board too. :)

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>>35830056
>being this lazy with you're bait

http://windsorstar.com/news/ai-windsors-panhandlers-street-vendors-join-labour-union

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>>35829968
Hey anon, do you know this guy? He's one of your hardcore communist friends that you ran with in the 80s, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyRwDgyMa0k

>>35829899
I don't think I need to read it though. "In practical terms", he could be presenting an idea that would require everyone to be born equal and to think of the "common good".

I've read Proudhon out of curiosity and for me it only confirmed that anarchists ignore the setbacks that make anarchism impossible to apply and maintain. Anarcho communism is way more problematic for reasons that should be obvious beyond all the rhetoric of 19th century authors

Even egalitarianism is inherently flawed as it is, hence the need for an authoritarian regime.

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>>35830079
That's me, chuckles. I'm the caretaker at the Utah Phillips Centre for the Hobo Arts, a 15 minute drive from downtown Detroit. A pack of moist little alt-right teenyboppers don't scare me. Like I told you, any time you think you have the clangers to teach an old, fat anarchist antifa what for, you know where to find me. I'll be waiting. Pic related: also me.

>>35829968
I remember you. Though I'm not 100% sure what we were talking about. Have you ever defended mass immigration of Muslims into the west? Or perhaps responded to a post that claimed blacks don't have the same degree of capacity for abstract-thought as Europeans do?

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>>35829968
Why should we? We can just sit here on our fat asses watching livestreams of you antifucks getting demolished all day and there's nothing you can do about it. All you can do is cry about people posting cartoon frogs on the internet and talk about "p-p-punch a nazi, tis le amerigan tradition.."

commie mutant

>>35830122
>homeless panhandler who reads Tarot cards for a living

that's some life you got there

>>35829968
>proclaim your proud Aryan heritage on the street

So you have a problem with my ethnicity?

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There's a guy in my city who brags about what a Big Deal activist he was in the 80's to anyone who will listen. I feel more bad for him than anything.

>>35830079
>>35830122
can confirm, ive seen this dude here years back

>>35830138
cut it with the wannabe macho shit you've never lifted a weight in your life or been in a serious fight before. you're a narrow framed gamer nerd.

>All you can do is cry about people posting cartoon frogs

yawn, boring. all you barely sentients have the exact same sense of non-humor and say the same things over and over again

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>>35830122
Hey anon, some of your antifa friends have a message for you. It's a woman speaking, so remember to follow her orders or you might turn into a skinhead fascist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ1eZqenaDw

>>35827130
If you lived in a communist country, say good bye to your elections and you wouldn't have access to the internet either, so say goodbye to 4chan

>>35830166
anti fa are self hating whites yes

>>35830135
Sure, I like to remind the 4chan kids that bigotry isn't normal, and that the little hothouse echo chamber of idiot alt-right stupidity Stormfront has planted here is an aberration. I don't come here very often since m00t kicked Anonymous off, but I've never been afraid to out myself here.

>>35829968
> I was really cheering for Trump because he's convinced all you little cockroaches to scuttle out into the light.

oohh nooo, now Californians know that a large amount of the population disagrees with them, what will we do? And now that the Republican party has more power than it had in a hundred years, we're really cornered

What Trump did is legitimize the alt-right in the public eye, which makes people reconsider their stances on certain issues. I actually know people who identified as neoliberals, but watched "alt-right" stuff (such as Milo) and thought it was really convincing.

>>35829968
why do you fight for what you do no other race would do the same for you. they aren't your friends.....
original comment 54353453

>>35830206
Well since you're such a fan of violence (despite your attempts to seem like a beacon of morality), maybe you need someone to beat it into you that there's a thin line between actual bigotry and truths that are unspoken

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>>35830166
Stupidity, dishonesty, and bigotry doesn't have a skin colour, but if it did it would be white. When I meet a white man, I assume he's an ignorant, lying sack of shit. It's possible for white men to be better than that, but it takes extra effort and I am rarely proven wrong.

>>35830276
What color are you? If you're white, do you resent being born that way?

>>35830276
>Stupidity, dishonesty, and bigotry doesn't have a skin colour

It does, and it's mostly brown.

Threads like these is why the alt-right is getting so popular. You communist shitheads have it coming.

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>I actually know people who identified as neoliberals, but watched "alt-right" stuff (such as Milo) and thought it was really convincing.

This.
>Used to be Liberal
>Got really sick of the identity politics(white-bashing) and constant lashed out against allies.
>Took off my blinders regarding Obama's foreign policy being a continuation of Bush's.
> Discovered Milo's article about Mattress Girl.
>Lost all respect for feminists except for some of the old guard like Paglia.
>Really put off by the trans kids fad.
>Realized I didn't want my newborn daughter growing up around a bunch of bitter nihilists and joined a church

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>>35829731

You know whut bud? I've actually been anti-commie for a long time because I accurately conceptualized that it absolutely COULD NOT WORK so long as people had to be motivated by utter fear of poverty, but never really joined up the thought with my other realization that the government IS eventually going to be able to see everything you do and punnish you for doing / not doing something, as well as being able to spot gross inefficiencies in economies with all this meta-data, processed by super computers...

I guess I'm now leaning toward the idea that it MIGHT work...

BUT, I need to add, unless this total panopticon is also a very thorough democracy you will probably have some shithead at the top making STUPID (not necessarily even selfish, because what use is selfishness when you can literally have ANYTHING you want already) fucking decisions. See stalin and his disdain for genetics.

So I partially rescind my "It'll all be alright, even passing through fascism" card. If we LOSE the ability to select leaders then we are as likely to be anally rekt by someone being STUPID as the overlord being NASTY. Far more likely, in fact.

I've run numerous colonies on rimworld. 90% of them died off because I made some stupid fucking decision because I wasn't paying attention...

Fuck, that game is a good metaphor for the leviathan, communism, state control etc...

>>35830276
that's pretty fucking racist i thought you guys were against that. you should rename yourselves since your group is mostly just anti white and nothing else

>>35830276
>When I meet a white man, I assume he's an ignorant, lying sack of shit.

but that's racist ;-;

>Stupidity, dishonesty, and bigotry doesn't have a skin colour, but if it did it would be white.

wrong, you make that assume because "white racism" is what you've been exposed to. Whites are not inherently more racist anymore than blacks are inherently more rape-y and stabby.

>ahhh I hate myself for being white and any other white people who don't hate themselves need to be dragged into the street and beaten

>>35830337
blacks are more rapey and stabby though and that's a fact. maybe white people are more aware of race which is a good thing

>>35830270
Maybe I do, anon. Maybe I do. If you think you're the person to teach me that lesson, come on down.

>>35830307
I'm white, of Irish, Scottish, and French descent. At an Ani DiFranco concert during Dubya's regime, I remember her saying that it was a hard thing to wake up every day and remember where she was and be ashamed because of it. I totally understand. I see the oppression, arrogance, authoritarianism, deceit, greed, and general assholery of European-descended white men and I wake up every day ashamed of my own heritage. That's a hard thing. But putting the boots to some bonehead who thinks tattoos make automagically make him a hard-ass always made me feel a little better.

>>35829893

Because they are virtual signalling slacktavists who actually just want to punch someone and get away with it and 99% of them do literally NO WORK - they like to pretend they're fighting for a better world but have literally never laid a brick, stacked a shelf, or grown a crop ONCE in their life?

Is that why :) ?

>>35829968

Enjoy your helicopter ride.

Also, how does it feel that not even china is communist (in ideology) anymore? Does it hurt? Does it really burn? Mmmmmmmmm give me your tasty tears.

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>>35829968
you don't scare us BULLY

>>35830276
People like you, saying shit like this, are only helping the alt-right grow every day. You are your own problem, and every other anti-alt right person's problem.

>>35830276
This is exactly the kind of anti white bullshit that alienates people. That's your brain on identity politics. You're never gonna convince people with this shit. This does seem like bait, but it saddens me that there are people out there who actually think like that.

t. leftist

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It's really telling that all the Communists I've met are either complete fucking losers(who will of course want to resources redistributed to them) or rich and completely out of touch. (My ex girlfriend's dad owns three houses and thinks he's some great champion of the working class.)

Farmers and tradesmen want nothing to do with them.

>>35830362
what is it with self hating whites where do you people come from. your ancestors were conquerors ,innovators, explorers, civilization creators be proud of it.

>>35830362
Do you think black people wake up every day seeing the crimes, thuggery, and violence of African descended black men and feel ashamed? Do you think they go beat up other black people who feel any kind of pride for their people to feel better about it?

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>>35830056

HAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

HAHAHAHA LOOK AT THE FUCKING PIPE OMG XDDXDDXDDXDDD

Not but srsly mang, you shouldn't smoke that pipe because a little child worker made it. And also your bedora

Hold me sides lads, they're fucking getting away!

>>35830276
>>35830362
This is why you're losing. This is why you'll never win.

>>35830056
Nice fedora and pipe faggot. Looking like a true European colonizer.

>>35830362
>I see the oppression, arrogance, authoritarianism, deceit, greed, and general assholery of European-descended white men and I wake up every day ashamed of my own heritage.

But you'll never get it through your head that whites didn't monopolize those concepts, even if they were on the winning side of history in the last 600 years. You'll never think of your ancestors who put an end to the oppression, the liberators. You'll never ask yourself if, had America been colonized by blacks bringing in white slaves, they would have ever abolished slavery.

>>35830362
So """bigotry""" isn't normal, but hating yourself for the way you were born and beating up other people like you to relieve stress is normal. Thanks antifaggot.

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>>35830411
You know, I know plenty of Muslims, and every time something gets blown up by terrorists, they feel sick and think, "Please don't be Muslim, please don't be Muslim, please don't be Muslim." They have the decency to reject people who identify as Muslim and kill innocent people -- the same way I have the decency to despise the racist, ignorant, hatemongering scumsacks who fight for continued white supremacy.

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>>35830122

>Centre for the hobo arts

My fucking sides cruise the galaxy, in vessels made only of their own thoughts and light, in a stoic search for kek greater than that which first flung them from their home.

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>>35830428

The main reason they'll never win is that all these fucking losers they're courting have conflicting grievances. Poor Latinos and Nigs hate each other, Muslims hate gays, etc.

The Republicans have the Whites(thank you for attacking us until we started flocking together like a minority voter bloc, btw) and middle/upper class minorities. And they're all capable of getting to the polls and know that midterm and local elections are important too. Half the Democrats need some celebrity reminding them to vote on Twitter.

TBQH only people who own property or pay in a certain amount of taxes should be allowed to vote in the first place. Our founding fathers literally warned us that universal suffrage would just create a dependent caste trying to vote themselves free money.

>>35830485
how can you fight white supremacy. if whites are better than they are better lol

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>>35830476
I fight bigotry and authority where I find it. Right now, authority rests in the hands of sociopathic white lizard-kings. If and when Jamaican rasta are oppressing the world in the name of Jah and enslaving billions, then I may change targets.

>>35830512
Hobos were the OG MGTOW. I'd think you frogposters would have more respect. We teach things like busking, whittling, fortune telling, and folk art made with found materials -- techniques used for generations by hobos to survive outside of mainstream society.

>>35830620
how are white lizard kings oppressing anyone right now

>>35830485
>Please don't be Muslim, please don't be Muslim, please don't be Muslim
>reject people who identify as Muslim and kill innocent people
There is something of a logical disconnect here. Hoping for the identity of a terrorist to not be Muslim doesn't imply that there's a rejection of the terrorist as Muslim. It's simply that: a hope that the perpetrator of an egregious act is not a member of the in-group. Rejection of the terrorist as Muslim would logically require that the terrorist is first affirmatively verified as a Muslim. Such sentiments are obviously driven by self-interest, and the flip side of racists who hope that the terrorist in question is Muslim; they're not a sign of decency. Your incoherent evaluation is just a reminder of how people interpret data to reinforce their preexisting beliefs.

>>35830620
So now that I've pointed out that the past is not so one sided, you decide to look at the present. Convenient.

If you only find authority and bigotry in Western countries, the only nations in the world that allow gay marriage and have nowhere near the amount of human rights issues, then you're not looking far at all. In other words you want to hate the Big, but not necessarily the Bad.

>>35830693
I'm not going to teach you basic economics. I know your country's shitty educational system has filled your head with lies and capitalist propaganda, but take some initiative and do some reading for yourself. Some good places to start:

Pierre-Joseph Proudhon: What Is Property?
Noam Chomsky: Manufacturing Consent
Howard Zinn: A People's History of the United States

>>35830758
Proudhon is shit and didn't even see his own comical contradictions.

>>35830756
I fight where I am and trust others to do the same. I teach young activists how to become organizers, and one of the first things I teach them is to leverage their strength by fighting wherever they happen to find themselves. One of my main claims to fame is having been thrown out of prison, for example. I was supposed to spend a years and a half to two years waiting for trial; after less than a week inside, I was literally thrown out -- dragged into court and given bail with no conditions, not even the boilerplate to abstain from owning weapons. This was because the first thing I did was start organizing the other inmates to fight for better conditions, got us a front-page story on the shitty conditions inside, and forced the warden to start bending to our demands. I fight the power by making sure that it does not prosper wherever I happen to be -- whether that's in my local community or here on 4chan.

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>>35827467
>someone's money
>implying you really ever do anything
>implying society is not a team
It's not your money, it's the teams. You are not independant. The days of hunting and gathering are over, and even then you shared with your mate and offspring. It takes a village to make a man.

>>35827142
Neck yourself faggot. I don't like Communists, but you ancom LARPing fucks take it to another level.

>>35830620
if whites are in power...... and you're white..... why fight the power?

>>35830989
It's called empathy. I know it's alien to you, but you'll just have to accept that some of us are motivated on an intrinsic level by something other than blind short-term self-interest.

>>35831022
>It's called empathy.
It's called shortsightedness. You don't distribute the power to all, you just take it away from those holding it, creating a void. Someone else will take the place, thus creating the next ruling power. Some things are self-evident.

>>35831022
would any other race do the same for you? also jews are in power not white men lol

Is anti-semitism the natural upshot of fighting against privilege?

Or is disproportionate wealth and in-group nepotism only bad when Christians do it?

>>35831022
You're not empathetic to white people.

I would also say you're a racist because historically speaking you hold whites to a higher standard than Asia and Africa: condemning the European slavers, oppressors and killers but paying no attention to the similar things that non-white countries did

>>35827130
most economists agree that communism is not a valid economic theory.

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>tfw you might actually have a chance to remove communists in your lifetime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXtujxT9rzA

>>35827130
>communist
>thinks hes not a cuck
Please kill yourself. I'd pay a lot of money to see every single of you ''communists'' die slowly and painfully. Stupid retarded subhuman piece of shit.

>>35827422
>>35827374
you type like a redditoer lmaeaoda

The funny thing is that these subhumans think they are being the ''good guys''.
>it's called empathy dude xD

>>35827209
You know this image was made by commies to make fun of what a stupid fucking argument that is, right?

It's called sympathy, actually. if you had empathy you'd understand that communism doesn't/will never work

>>35827708

This sort of "we have to care about all issues equally" bullshit is killing the Left.

I remember helping start a TA union at my university and all these dumbfucks kept demanding that we take an official stance on Israel, tranny rights, and shit like that. Honestly, what the fuck is wrong with these people?

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>>35831022
>we need to analyse things by race/ethnicity
>which ethnic group/race holds the most disproportionate over representative power in the world
>it's not the jews IT'S NOT THE JEWS IGNORE THEM IT'S THE WHITE DEVIL NOT THE JEWS PLEASE IGNORE THE STATISTICS IT ISN'T THE JEWS

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>>35831022

Wow you are spooked my friend.

>>35831622
>Rockefeller, Roschild, and Bilderberg Group is mostly white men

>ITZ DA JOOZ DA JOOZ

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post red pepes

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>>35831723
>((((((Rockefeller))))))
>((((((Bilderberg)))))))
>((((((Rothschild))))))

I mean, really? This is the best you can do? Jews are an absolutely TINY minority but founded and occupy a massively over representative position in capitalism. And yet you cry all day about white people - who aren't even comparable to the amount of over representation found in Jews.

>the evil white male is conspiring against the PoC!
>lawl /pol/ da joooz conspiracy

Epic.

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>>35831758

Here's my favorite Communist-related Pepe

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>>35831723
origanlo22

>>35831774
>Hates the JOOZ
>Still supports a system that backs up Zionists and Israel

Logical

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>>35831885
This is you projecting your dumb liberal (you're not really a commie, commies are not racist - the liberal rage of the day is all about non-white and mentally ill 'sexuality' identity politics) perspective.

NatSocs (actual nazis) have a term: ZOG, i.e the USA and its global puppets. Nazis don't like the US very much. Read David Myatt or James Mason, faggot

>>35831999
Judaism (not a race) doesn't have to lead to Zionism.

>Nazis don't like the US very much
Yeah, but like them enough to take their money to jumpstart their party

https://www.sott.net/article/298259-The-Americans-who-funded-Hitler-Nazis-German-economic-miracle-and-World-War-II

>>35832118
Jews are an ethno-religious group. They are not comparable to Christians or Muslims, because there is a blood-connection; you have to have a Jewish mother, or a Jewish father, and so on. You can be an atheist Jew. You can trace back Jewish genetics to their Semitic origins. Ashkenazim, Sephardim, Mizrahim, etc.

>>35832118

>Israel
>before WW2

???

You understand that the Russian Revolution was funded by Wall Street right?

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it disappoints me that stupid capitalists exist in this day and age

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>>35827130
>Who /communist/ here?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

>>35827166
None of those were real communist states though

>>35832346
Communist criteria

>did it fail?

It wasn't communism

>did it succeed?

It was communism

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>>35832302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMYNfQlf1H8

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>>35832346
I do wonder: how many millions still need to die before you finally understand that your dream, although noble in nature, is an utopia at best, and genocidal at worst.
I never heard that one before, how surprising.

>>35828189
>he actually believes these fuckers aren't just another cartel trafficking tons of cocaine and heroin into mexico from south america

>>35832454
>Government still exists

It wasn't communism

>State is abolished

It was communism

>>35833989
>follow marxist economic policies
>teach a communist curriculum in schools
>socialist is in your country's name
>honor fallen communist heroes
>be anti-capitalist and be so serious about it that you're ready to go to war with them
>make capitalism illegal in your country
>twist the church's teachings into a weird form of christian communism
>encourage all the children join their local communist youth club
>claim every achievement as not an individual achievement but the achievement of the working class through the power of the communist ideology
But guise, it wasn't REAL COMMUNISM!

>>35834132
>it wasn't REAL COMMUNISM!
Yep! Glad you understand

>>35834152
le le le witty xxxDDDDD thx for le gold stranger

>>35831401
And it does nothing to refute it. go ahead and explain why that's a stupid argument

>>35834132
>workers dont control the means of production
Yep, not communism, glad you get it now anon.

But who's the commissary to the commissars?

>>35834208
I don't know how you haven't seen this said a million times but here it goes again: "human nature" is the customs of the society you are in. You'll find that the "human nature" of hunter gatherers is really unlike the "human nature" of people in capitalist society, but then again, you're probably a retard that thinks those societies are "nonhuman" or some shit.

>>35834178
Hey, what's with the high school level sarcasm all of a sudden? We both understand that the state can't exist under communism, right?

>>35834285
Communism IS the state.

>>35834302
Hello friend, lets try to figure out what you're mad about okay?
If you dislike the state, thats fine! Lots of communists hate hierarchy, and they call themselves anarchists.
If you dislike democratic workers ownership of the means of production, you have an unhealthy dependency on licking boot and probably like the state also!
I don't think you dislike the state, I think you just want to lick as much boot as possible and realize commies want to abolish your precious boot.

>>35834344
>commies want to abolish your precious boot.
By putting on an even bigger boot? lmao

>>35834363
No you retard. Red fascist ussr cucks arn't communists.

>>35834385
But they literally followed every one of the ten points of the communist manifesto to the letter.

>it's only communism when I like it

>>35834427
Well here's the thing:
Communism requires certain conditions to be what it is, and they are as follows
>workers control the means of production
>workers have democratic control over the economy
>markets have been abolished in favor of some pro-worker economic model

While the USSR was obviously transitioning to meet these goals, it's clear that they were not able to because of authoritarianism. That's why actual communists of today are anti-authoritarian.

What I'm trying to say is that disliking communism because of the ussr is really fucking retarded. There are other ways to accomplish communism besides what the ussr tried to do.

>>35827130
i believe that communism is the economic system of tomorrow.

there will come a time when humans can produce as much resources as they ever want.

>>35827130
Not a full communist. I like universal minimum wage and distributism. All humans have the right to use this planet.

>>35834656
d-did you actually google bookchin?!!
What the fuck man that was just a meme.
never google bookchin.

>>35834577
The USSR tried to violently overthrow the traditional government and institute radical reforms under an authoritarian socialist government. Is that not exactly what Marx said would need to happen?

>>35834701
Bookchin? Just googled him now. Seems like an interesting guy. Thanks for introducing me to him.

But no. I gained this particular viewpoint after reading a bit about Chesterton and Christian Democracy. I'm not a christian or a democrat. But credit goes where any good ideas and credit is due.

>>35834786
Fun fact: marx isnt some magical god that should be worshipped.
Marx explained why socialism is important, and that's an awesome contribution, but it doesn't mean that Marx's thoughts on how to achieve socialism/communism were right.

Surely you can see why workers ownership of the means of production is desirable right? If it is desirable, shouldn't it be desirable also to find a way to make it happen?

>>35834656
Same, socialist but I don't think there is a political climate for communism, yet. But I know the day will come, and I will not stand in the way of a revolution, unless it's authoritarian or overly nationalistic/protectionistic communism.

Hope we see an international leftist/socialist upraise, in reaction the to right wing populism soon.

>>35834880
Why not find some other socialists and start a co-op, anon?
It's probably cozier than being a wageslave and it's a contribution to achieving socialism.

>>35834880
I generally agree with your points. My current reservations lie with my dire ignorance of all things political, due to my lapsed formal and informal political education, and my current skepticism and resultant apathy to politics.

People love to share. I can definitely see a future where people will look past base motivations, phylogenetic racism, and fiscal corruption to instead support a movement that is truly good.

ITT: Tankies, Ayn-cap Randroids, and alt-right Stormfags make stupid arguments based on their poor understanding of political science.

>>35835024
>tfw no qt libertarian socialist gf

>>35834848
Marx is literally the founder of the philosophy. If you're saying he shouldn't be listened to, why even call yourself a communist?

I see why ownership of the means of production is desirable, but having worked in a factory I'd never want my coworkers to have a say in anything. Our union hired lawyers and professionals to make actual deals with the owners for a good reason.

>>35835019
I also find the current state of politics to be repulsive. Also always going back to the argument, "no we can't have that because it's too good" and blaming it on it being too difficult. I want us to have equality, peace and prosperity (not the retarded sjw feminist quality tho).
Tired of politics always settling for less

>>35835143

Aristotle was the founder of symbolic logic, but that doesn't mean he was right about everything and the entirety of philosophy rests on his shoulders.

>>35835143
Actually, Marx actively encouraged people to try achieving communism in various ways. I wish I could find the exact quote about it.

One of the problems with making democratic decisions in a workplace in capitalist society is that there is a job market, and that results in extremely arbitrary assignment of positions, resulting in unqualified people getting jobs or overqualified people being unable to get the job they should have.
When markets become abolished it should be easier to get along with fellow workers since they will likely seek to do what they are good at.

>>35827130
ITT: People who idolize a failed ideology that has killed millions.

>>35835139
>libertarian socialist
that kills the ancap

>>35834947
maybe i will, thinking of joining a socialist party in my home country

>>35835185
You have valid points.

I summarily attribute people settling for less because it is a lazy compromise presented by our elected leaders and ourselves since you can only gain so much efficiency and milage out of a scrap quality scooter. A lot of things need change. Yet this change can be slow and still be effective. "Symbiotic change". Where you perform so well in office or at any level of responsibility in society that your ideas are adopted by those around you. Our lives are short. Should it be worth throwing away for a violent, uncertain revolution?

>>35834848
marks made basic logic errors, contradicted himself across the three tomes of his work and the core of his argument was a useless truism. here, have a read: https://mises.org/system/tdf/Karl%20Marx%20and%20the%20Close%20of%20His%20System.pdf?file=1&type=document

>>35835575
Nobody cares about your appeal to authority fetish.
Its obvious to anyone that thinks critically that surplus value extraction is a real phenomenon and it must be stopped. It doesn't matter who thought of the idea, the idea itself is important.
Protip: people understood what wageslavery was before marx, marx just invented new vocabulary.

>>35835254
Interesting point. I'll read up about that. Thanks.

>>35835619
Protip: value is not the only variable affecting prices. Marx was WRONG.
Face it: capitalism won. Anarchocapitalism will win eventually, when we smash the statist government and free the market. Get a job, commie.

what the fuck happened /r9k/? thought NEETS knew they'd be the first to go through the communist meat grinder

>>35835820
>still can't understand that commies dont give a fuck about your greatman fallacy bullshit
and you call yourself an anarchist
I lmao at this.

>commies btfo everywhere else
>forced to seek refuge in the worst shithole on the internet
There you have it, folks. Commies are on the same level as pathetic beta incels.

>>35835474
I certainly wouldn't want a violent revolution, i don't think it's necessary, and i think it would be damaging to the movement.

Maybe we don't even need a revolution to establish modern communism. Would prefer to start with enabling real socialism though.

>>35835254
You are fucking joking right? In a free market, a business that employs underqualified workers will lose competition with a business that doesn't. Companies that don't penalize nepotism universally do worse. Therefore arbitrary assignment of workers is simply not possible - everyone gets a job for which they are qualified (subject to supply and demand).
In long term such neptism or cronyism can continue only under statist government forcing their people into companies they control or threaten.

>>35835820
>Face it: capitalism won. Anarchocapitalism will win eventually, when we smash the statist government and free the market.
This is what wagecucks actually believe

>>35835981
>allows people to accrue capital through exploiting others
>expects them not to use their capital to corrupt the system so that they wont have to obey "the market"
ancaps are the most naive people in existence.

>>35836052
>corrupt the system
the only corruptible system is the state
if there is no state interfering with the market
there is no corruption

>>35836052
>accrue capital through exploiting others
[citation needed], and no, marx was wrong, so he doesn't count.

>>35835908
no. commies are btfo here too.

>>35836123
Surplus value extraction.
The difference between the value produced by a worker and the value given to them by the business owner.
If workers controlled the means of production it would be nonexistant.

>>35836052
Let me write in terms you commie scum will understand:
When a business employs underqualified worker, the businessman can't exploit them as well as if they hired a qualified worker. This means, that even according to Marx, businesses should always hire the best workers for the job instead of assigning them arbitrarily.
Fuck you.

>>35836157
If the workers controlled the means of production, the communist party guys would vote themselves a higher wage and force everyone else to become a commie or not work at all. The party representatives would also vote to give themselves a fatter paycheck.

Also there is not progress without surplus value so not only are you filthy red fuck, you are anti-progress/science/life piece of shit.

>>35836210
Let me explain this in terms you can't understand but would be able to if you had an average intelligence level:
Exploitation happens regardless of a workers qualification because it is in the interest of the businessman to make a profit, they will pay the worker less than what they produce. Workers must therefore seize control of industry for themselves.

>>35836157
Again, there is no surplus value extraction. It doesn't exist. Marx was wrong assuming that inherent value was the only variable influencing plrice. He was simply wrong. Everything was invented from this one simple fallacy.
Again, read this: https://mises.org/system/tdf/Karl%20Marx%20and%20the%20Close%20of%20His%20System.pdf?file=1&type=document

>>35836230
I'm not a tankie, I have no interest in allowing some people to have more economic control than others, but I agree with you that having "party leaders" is a retarded idea that will cause the same kind of corruption as a market system that causes capital misdistribution.

>>35836293
What's stopping the anarchist central committee from doing the same?

>>35836265
Look dude it's not a hard concept to understand:
A mcdonalds wageslave produced 500 dollars in profit worth of hamburgers every hour and gets paid 8 dollars. Even if you split that among their crew of 8 people they would still be making 62 dollars an hour.

>>35836315
There is no central committee in anarchism. Anarchists favor decentralization. Each individual workplace will have as much economic control as any other.

>>35836363
You have to have some form of centralization at the small business level (the only type of business because corporations would be considered evul) or else nothing would get done.

And what about manufacturing? Somebody (or some committee) has to decide quotas and schedules and even pricing because le free market would be evul too.

Do you see now that any form of communism always ends up in tyrannical bolshevism?

>>35836342
and where does the wageslave work? in his own house or on macdonald premises? does he use electricity? is it produced by him? where does he get the buns from? is he making his own buns? what about the fucking meat?
the 500 $ profit produced by the wageslave is made using materials and services worth somehwere about 492 $. you are also completely ignoring price fluctuations from supply and demand. in land where people have a lot of hamburgers, they won't pay as much for another one. the work the wageslave is doing is worth 8$/hour and that's what he's paid.

>>35836557
Uh, there's nothing wrong with corporations if there is horizontal hierarchy within them and the motive is democratically decided rather than simply profit.
Decentralization obviously means there is some level of centralization at the local level, but thats fine, thats what democracy is. The problem with non-local centralization is that peoples needs go unnoticed, and yes that is tyrannical.

Dude, in a market peoples needs would go unnoticed to. Local democratic planning is the best way to make sure everyone gets what they wants.

Honestly dude, if you really care about freedom, I don't see why you and I should disagree as much as we clearly do.
You just need to read some books to be quite honest.

>>35836701
>what does profit mean
baka. so much for the economically literate right.

>>35836703
>yfw the capitalist corporate model outperforms (more like anally rapes) the anarchist horizontal model
Question. Why do you hate efficiency?

Hello humans, I am a communism. A few key points to understand:

>there has never been a true socialist state. Welfare capitalism is as close to socialism as authoritarian 'socialist' dictatorships. If there isn't democracy then it isn't socialism, so you can not say that a socialist state has failed, anywhere, ever.
>if you do not understand and accept this then your opinions on the topic are completely worthless. Cry 'no scotsman' all you want, it is a stupid analogy which is not relevant at all to the discussion and you are making yourself look retarded.
>idpol is a forced meme by the corporate media to distract the left from the class struggle. All races and both of the two (2) genders are equal under communist theory, the incessant race/gender baiting attributed broadly to the left is nothing to do with communist theory it is just pathetic people self victimizing or virtue signalling.
>all mainstream media with no exceptions is corporate media and hence serves a neo-liberal agenda. There is no left wing mainstream media so anyone who parrots bullshit they saw on CNN or MSNBC is not a leftist, and true leftist ideas hold no place in mainstream society. Look at how they treated occupy, it was the same as they do to trump and his supporters. Corporate propaganda is literally the complete opposite of socialism.
>an engineer and a fuckin loser flipping burgers do not get paid the same under socialism. In a post-scarcity communist utopia then yeah why not, but unless we reach that point the idea is that people are rewarded based on their contribution to society. Burgerfag should be rewarded for doing his part too though, he shouldn't have to struggle to survive because every contribution is important
>nobody ever got rich just by working hard. You get rich by getting other people to work hard for you. Slave owners worked hard to set up their plantations and keep them running smoothly, but you wouldn't attribute their success to good ol' elbow grease would you?

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>communists thinking their system is sustainable
>capitalists thinking their system is sustainable

>not realising green economics is the only sustainable way of life

>>35836785
Hello communism, I am capitalism. Do you want to buy a couple of sickle and hammer flags? Do you want to copy a few hundred pamphlets? Do you want to hire transport to get you to your manifestation? If so, I'll be waiting.

>>35836901
MARKETS ARE NOT CAPITALISM YOU STUPID FUCK.
YOU CAN SUPPORT MARKETS AND NOT SUPPORT WORKER EXPLOITATION REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>35836958
You want that on a t-shirt? Only 10 bucks.

>>35836958
>wah I work at starbucks and only make $8/ hour I need socialism to give me a gorillion dollars an hour like I deserve because i'm le special! I have an art degree ffs RREEE
-every commieturd ever

>>35836989
No but seriously you are a fucking retard if you are against workers rights just cause you are pro-market. The two are not exclusive.

>>35836997
>hurr durr I DESERVE my 16 dollars an hour (of the 2000 dollars I produce every hour), I EARNED IT MY SELF, COMMIE KEKS WILL NOT UNDERSTAND THAT EXPLOITATION ISNT REAL CAUSE THEY DIDNT EARN IT LIKE I DID, I WORKED HARD FOR WHAT I HAVE (an eternity of debt and rage)

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capitalists <3 socialists, they buy all our shit

>>35837074
You stupid fuck, you are not a capitalist, you don't own a business that uses surplus value extraction

>>35837008
workers rights are realized only under free market, where a worker can freely choose the best paying company they want to work for.

>>35837055
le ebin "exploitation is not a meme" meme

protip: exploitation is a meme

>>35837090
holy shit, there are socialist flags on aliexpress for only $1.95. praise capitalism!

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Capitalism
Capitalism

Capitalism! Fuck yeah! Comin' to pay your motherfucking wage yeah!
Capitalism! Fuck yeah! Free market is the only way, yeah!

Communist, your game is through,
Invisible hand will set the price for you!

Capitalism, fuck yeah!
Lick Rothbard's butt and suck on his balls!

Capitalism, fuck yeah!
Whatcha gonna do when automation comes for you now?

It's the dream that we all share
It's the hope for tomorrow
(Fuck yeah!)

McDonald's (Fuck yeah!)
Wal-Mart (Fuck yeah!)
Adam Smith (Fuck yeah!)
Bastiat (Fuck yeah!)
Hayek (Fuck yeah!)
von Mises (Fuck yeah!)
Liberty (Fuck yeah!)
Freedom (Fuck yeah!)
Work (fuck yeah.. fuck yeah...)
Private healthcare (...)
Private cops (...)

>>35837122
hahahahahahaha do you really believe this shitty meme?

>>35827130
> implying all work is done either with a hammer or sickle.
Why is there no pencil?>>35827130

>>35837664
>he doesnt hammer his essays and sickle his books
dumbass

>>35832887
Aprox 3 billion.
That's my number.

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>>35837664
better now? fag

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>>35827130
C O M M U N I S M I S T H E F U T U R E

>>35837702
Chinks use a paintbrush sometimes to represent their stupid slant eye language.

If your written language uses "characters" instead of an alphabet with letters you should be gassed.

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>>35827130

>mfw a "communist" supports the systematic displacement of his fellow workers because the elites framed it as a "humanitarian" issue and anyone who disagrees is Hitler near me

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Who /consequentialist libertarian/ here? Deontologismcucks need not apply.

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>>35837880
Consequentialist libertarianism is communism! Only deontological libertarianism has a valid moral framework!

>>35837880
>>35837950
how bout sum agorism?

>>35837880
>>35837950
What's the point of obsessing over Fringe ideologies when none of them will come reality?

>>35827142
Anon, this is a communist thread, not a anarcho-cuck thread.

>>35838021
because it funny senpai!

>>35838021
because what we have now is stupid ("liberalism", "equality" and welfare) and/or morally wrong (taxation is theft). since we know from ussr that communism doesn't work in practice, we should try the opposite solution. you said yourself it hasn't been tried yet.

>>35827130
Oh you're so woke

>>35838021
I was walking home one evening and came upon a clearly depressed man standing at the edge of a bridge, looking like he was about to jump. I called out to him to wait, and ran over to see what was the matter.
"It's this country," he lamented. "It's falling into ruin and there's nothing I can do about it. The election was the last straw. I don't want to live on this planet anymore."
"Well cheer up," I said. "We're all in this together. Say, are you a conservative, or a libertarian?"
"A libertarian," he said.
"That's great!" I said. "See, you're not alone. Are you a free-market libertarian or a libertarian socialist?"
"Free-market libertarian," he said.
"Me too!" I said. "Paleo-libertarian or neo-libertarian?"
"Paleo-libertarian," he said.
"Hey, so am I!" I said. "Chicago or Austrian school of economics?"
"Austrian," he said.
"Me too," I said. "Hayek or Rothbardian strand?"
"Rothbardian," he said.
"Same here," I said. "Are you a consequentialist or deontological libertarian?"
"Consequentialist," he said.
So I said, "Die, statist scum!" and pushed him off the bridge.

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>>35827130
Just so you know.

>>35838842

stormfaggots did the same thing on /pol/

proof http://archive.is/Rti5B

>>35838842
>make it cool to be leftist
hahaha!
HAHAHA!

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If we're gonna make a critique, then it's all gotta go. Anyone else a filthy primmie?

>>35839238
how do you feel about barter?

>>35838912
yeah, it's not like that didn't already happen back in the 60s

bout to read me some bookchin, anyone got other relatively modern reading recommendations after this?