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Where do I stand in men's eyes? 2017-03-20 05:23:57 Post No. 35664400
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I work full-time at a desk job M-F 8-5. I work for the government and make about $69k per year. I don't have much room for growth, and I applied for a promotion in October and am still being processed (government hiring freeze). I am 23 years old. I don't like my job, it is boring, but I get excellent benefits (1 month of time off per year, 12 holidays off per year, PPO health insurance, pension, and 6 months of unpaid maternity leave).
My goal in life is to have a little family and work part-time and mostly focus on the home. But in order to do so, I need to attract a financially capable man, and I need to prove I am not a gold digger, which I am not. I just can't handle too much stress. I wake up at 5:30, leave the house at 7, come home at 6, eat dinner and exercise, and spend my time after work trying to draw or knit or something or reading a book. I find this routine to be enough for me to handle. I live with my parents so if I cannot do something, my mom, who is a SAHM helps.
I see working mothers where I work, and they are exhausted.I can't handle the stress of waking up at 5, rushing to get the kids ready and cooking breakfast, rushing the kids to school, rushing not to be late to work, sitting at a desk all day, rushing home, cooking dinner, feeding the kids and helping with homework, cleaning the house and keeping the kids entertained, then going to bed. I would get fat due to lack of time from exercise. I would be stressed out and moody all the time.
I don't think I make enough money to appeal to a man. Even though I make $69k a year BEFORE taxes, AFTER taxes I only get like $1600 a paycheck. I live in a high-cost area. Rent is over $2000 a month. If I were to move out of my parents house, I would only be able to save like $200 a month.
What do I do? What do men think of me? Should I strive to become a doctor so I can make a good living and attract a successful man? My uncle is a doctor but he went to school abroad and had no student debt.
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>>35664400
>Where do I stand in men's eyes?
Two questions:
>1.) Why do you care?
>2.) Of all places, why come to /r9k/?
Literally anywhere else would be better to ask this question, /r9k/ will hate you just because you're a woman.
>Should I strive to become a doctor
Yes, self improvement is a good thing.
>so I can...attract a successful man?
You should really do it for a better reason than that.
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Also I am a KHV. I look kind of like the girl in the OP picture except for slimmer and with big boobs which is clearly ugly and obese to men. I don't get male attention or anything and I never had a boyfriend before. While I am trying to lose weight, I HAVE seen fatter and uglier girls get male attention. tons of male attention.
I am not a feminist or SJW at all. I am traditional and family oriented kind of like Yumi King but less unique.
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>>35664467
Where else should I go?
Reddit?
Girls ask guys?
There is literally no other place to ask.
I don't want to become a doctor for any other reason. If I were to chase my dreams, I wouldn't have even studied for my stable career in college. I would become a school teacher of some sort in a unique school like a Waldorf school and try to change the educational system (unlikely and with low pay), or run a clothing business (lots of competition and low pay) or be a film maker (same problem) or run a nonprofit (again lots of competition and low pay).
All of the jobs I listed as my true dreams don't pay enough and are not stable. Men want money and stability, at least the marriage worthy ones, as I look for a man who is stable and successful (not rich) myself.
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>humble bragging about your life by disguising it as a question
>pretending you're not aware of something just to get more reassurance
>saying the opposite of what's true, just to have others tell you what you want to hear
Truly the worst, you pathetic and despicable person. I might be projecting, but the point still stands.
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>>35664467
Plus, studying medicine would take about 12 years. I have some bio classes, but not all, under my belt. I would have to enroll into a premed post bacc program and spend 2-3 years taking the premed classes. Since it would take a year to to do all the applications, that would be 4 years. I would be 27 when I am done with the post bacc.
Then, medical school is 4 years. Assuming I can get in right away, I would be 31 by the time I am done.
Then, after residency, which is 2-4 years, I would be 35 by the time I am ready to marry and have a family.
AND I would have like $500k in student debt.
I am willing to do it if there is no other way to find a good husband, but not just for myself.
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>>35664400
>My goal in life is to have a little family
>I can't handle the stress
Then i have a bad news for you. Being mother is a stressful thing.
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>>35664550
>There is literally no other place to ask.
The two places you said are much better places to ask, also >>>/adv/
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>>35664572
But what am I bragging about?
I only attract crazy and weird men. Like this one guy who is 19 and not in school or anything and kept talking about how women don't like him.
>>35664614
That's why I don't want to work full time when I have a family. Did you read? I can't juggle housework and a full time job and child rearing and errands together. Part time will be doable. Unless YOU want to do all the cooking, which men don't do lol. I can do the cleaning because I have good hygiene.
>>35664640
Reddit is an awful place to ask, they are going to tell me feminist bullshit and how I am lazy and how their single mom worked 80 hours a week as a surgeon and still cooked every single day and kept the house impeccable without even one maid and I should do the same or I am a bad woman and a bad feminist.
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>>35664640
And they are going to tell me how I lack ambition and am immoral to not chase my dreams. I once chatted with a guy on there and he kept telling me I lack ambition and I should have applied for more prestigious jobs and how I should make more money.
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>>35664730
Not him, but I'd be happy to cook and clean whilst you worked.
I'd get a job once the children started school. I don't believe in leaving young kids with a nanny for hours everyday.
Be my gf and we'll start a family
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>>35664730
You're just an attention whore who wanted this thread to be flooded with betas begging you to be their "pure, traditional waifu".
Kill yourself, worthless roastie.
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>>35664400
you're a fat used up piece of shit slut imo
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>>35664400
>I don't think I make enough money to appeal to a man
men don't care about money
the thing that you're doing is not making men less attracted to you, the further you get in life you are attracted to fewer and fewer men
because the baseline for what you expect from a partner is above where you yourself are performing in life. So you're actively shrinking the pool of perspective partners.
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>>35664730
It's incredibly depressing to me that you won't receive even a small fraction of the tremendous suffering and hell you deserve to experience in your life you worthless piece of shit garbage scum bag cunt.
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>>35664400
Successful men have the same problem you have OP, they just want a qt to wife up and isnt a whore. Both sex's clearly have no idea how to find and talk to eachother
>>35664614
also this.....how can you not handle stress but want to raise a family? children are stressful
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>>35664400
>I don't think I make enough money to appeal to a man.
Men don't give a shit about that because men aren't shallow cunts.
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>>35664828
Jokes on you, $69k isn't enough to support a family in my area. It's barely enough to survive as a single person.
>>35664836
No not really.
I want men to be honest and say the truth for once. That they want an ambitious career woman who earns a ton of money but also somehow makes time to manage the home and not get chubby or age.
>>35664840
Why?
Used up by who?
I didn't even kiss or have sex yet. I just talk with random people online from time to time.
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>>35664400
Too long didnt read
fucking women, just get to the point already you dumb shits
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>>35664400
>went to school abroad
I get you wanna fuck niggers until you find a Chad provider.
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>>35664877
>$69k
>barely enough to survive as a single person
what the hell are you talking about
there is literally nowhere in the world you can live where $69k is barely enough for a single person. $40k is more than enough for a single person.
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>>35664877
>That they want an ambitious career woman who earns a ton of money
No they dont. Men dont want that women would have to choose between them and career.
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>>35664400
>Where do I stand in men's eyes?
Dumb whore
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>>35664877
That's bullshit you fucked more than your few sticking off your ass and tits in Facebook pictures. Either that or its a fag gy role play thread.
In either case whore when I get ripped and shredded I'm only fucking 16 to 18 year old sluts. Not old grannies who think their income attracts men lol.
I'll have my own Sportscar and great job too in due time.
AND YOU ROASTIES WILL REGRET DENYING ME SEX ALL THESE YEARS REEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>35664877
Men don't want a career woman idiot.
You live in literally the easiest era possible for attracting a decent man. The majority of women are so god fucking awful that literally all most men want, including attractive, successful men, is a girl who hasn't taken too much dick and who won't cheat on him. You have no idea how low the standards are out here.
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>>35664600
>35
>finding a husband
don't do it.
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>>35664907
She means men and not autistic virgin guys who play vidya all day and to whom being NEET is a dream.
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>>35664931
>She means men and not autistic virgin guys
Dumb whore
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>>35664841
Well if the cost of living wasn't so insane I wouldn't care about money either but in reality it is extremely expensive.
>>35664856
Like what?
Do you suffer like a Congolese child born during the time the congo separated and formed the two congos?
>>35664859
I can handle stress but not the stress of a full time job and a family unless we pay for a maid and leave the kids with my mom.
>>35664873
Well that's a lie. Rent where I live is $2000 a month for a studio.
>>35664881
It wasn't me it was my uncle learn2read sorry.
>>35664888
You aren't from California. $69k here is $32k elsewhere. Unless you live in the desert.
>>35664901
Times have changed. The cost of living is extremely high.
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>>35664730
I think I am a decently ambitious person OP and not that crazy or weird (everyone has to be a little bit crazy/weird or else they would just be an empty husk of a person) but I dont think you are willing to wait the time before I would be ready to have a family
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>>35664400
What the fuck are you asking here of all places for.
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>>35664400
>I need to attract a financially capable man
>I am not a gold digger
You can start appealing by making your bait a little less blatant.
>>35664877
>No not really.
>say the truth for once
The truth is that we all realize you're an attention grubbing faggot, and that you're guaranteed to die alone and unfulfilled.
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>>35664950
>The cost of living is extremely high
Assuming that you live in America, you can literally settle in different area.
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>>35664400
You're not in the right place to be asking this question desu
>>35664467
Honestly this guy has it right, all of the shit he's saying is spot on
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>>35664400
To become a doctor you have to go through med school and being an intern for over a decade.
You are better off getting some marketable meme qualification like radiotherapy.
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>>35664950
>california
There's no way in hell a man in Cali would ever want some poor, ugly attention whore. 9/10 women you pass on the street there are objectively better than you in every way.
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>>35664916
Jokes on you because I really am a KV and I don't want a bitter guy I don't ant someone happy and sane.
>>35664924
Ehhhhhhh
The churches are empty and don't have young men, but many young women.
Most men drink excessively, don't consider marijuana to be a drug (lol) and are addicted to porn and video games. Go on reddit's relationships page and you will see that most men are not decent.
Most women have problems too, I am not denying it. But it's not like there are a ton of happy sane and stable men waiting around. The competition for these men is fierce since they are so scarce.
>>35664926
How do I find an excellent husband then?
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>>35664950
Shut the fuck up you stupid bitch, you should have acid thrown in your face
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>>35665019
Eat shit you dumb cunt, no one cares
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>>35665019
>happy sane and stable men waiting around. The competition for these men is fierce since they are so scarce.
So you want Chad? Figures. Besides why are so desperate to have husband?
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>>35664950
>You aren't from California. $69k here is $32k elsewhere. Unless you live in the desert.
so take your savings and buy a house in minnesota or indiana
there aren't so many skilled people in flyover states and 32k is a comfy single person's income
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>>35665019
>female
>KV
It's almost fascinating how people can be so retarded they'll still believe you're a girl after this.
>How do I find an excellent husband then?
Be an excellent woman.
For a shit tier tranny like you, you don't.
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>>35664400
How tall are you? You, unironically, have what I see as the perfect body type, as long as you're between 4'10 and 5'7, you're also the ideal age.
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>>35665019
this is what happens when you treat the nice guys in highschool and college like shit and friend zone them OP, ignoring them for chad.....hope you are happy roastie
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Your income and education matter exactly zero to men.
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>>35665019
I don't believe lies I'm too smart and redpilled for that. So whatever game you are playing here go do it somewhere else.
Also implying you aren't a KV you are looking for an ultra Chad.
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>>35664957
If I go on Reddit I will be told I am sexist.
>>35664960
Thats bullshit, men want money too. They say they don't but they do. Would I get such a reaction of anger if I made $150k?
Would you marry and combine finances with a girl who made $24k a year as a nanny? Saying "I don't believe in marriage" is a cop out.
>>35664969
$69k in my area is like $40k elsewhere.
>>35664996
Yeah but would I get a good husband?
>>35665005
Ah you admit it. It is poor. Men do want money. Allow me to tag this guy so he sees what I mean. >>35664960
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>>35665093
Post tits whore
oregnalio
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>>35665093
why don't you just keep pondering over this until your ovaries dry up
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>>35665019
>The churches are empty and don't have young men, but many young women
Holy kek.
The number of decent men outnumber the number of decent women 3 to 1. All I'm getting from this is that you're holding out for Chad, and you simply project these negative personality traits onto average to below average looking men, when in reality by all accounts they are happy, sane and stable.
The only fierce competition for men amongst women is for Chads i.e. attractive, outgoing, and wealthy men. There are plenty of men who are perfectly good husband material, they just aren't Chad so consequently they are practically invisible to whores like you.
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Op, tits or gtfo
>>35664960
This.
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>>35665019
i think this kind of cynical search for a perfect husband according to all these standards is repellent to men.
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Please let me be your neet sex slave who sleeps at the foot of your bed and takes care of your things
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>>35665053
So literally only Chad is happy and sane and stable??? I don't want a Chad. I figured Chad only meant "cool and model looking". I like ugly short guys.
>>35665055
I don't want to live alone.
>>35665059
I am a KV. I come from a religious family and I know so many single moms and moms who struggle that I have decided I only want a man who will not ruin my life.
>>35665068
5'
>>35665076
No. My friends and I were all nerdy and religious girls and had panic attacks around boys. So we didn't date.
One did date an Indian guy for a while but his family was racist since she was white so they broke up. And my other friend dated a Jewish guy and he broke up with her for not being Jewish lol.
The Jewish guy was hideous.
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>>35665093
you literally have men throwing themselves at you in this thread
>i will never get a girl like op to wife and have beautiful children with
marry me OP :'(
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>>35664400
If you live near DC (which I assume you do since you say you work for the government) and are looking for a guy who eventually wants a family and will, once I finish my degree in 2 years, make good money send me an email
[email protected] (throwaway email)
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>>35665176
Post pic of your asshole
With you bending over and pulling panties to the side
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>>35665176
>I don't want to live alone.
you already live alone
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>>35665185
Did you even read the thread, retard? l live in california
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>>35665115
Better have dried ovaries than end up working 3 jobs and raising a baby while your husband works 2 jobs and goes to school.
>>35665137
He doesn't have to be attractive, I prefer ugly guys since I get jealous easily. I don't want someone too successful so he does not cheat.
And where are these good men? Online? I posted a dating ad once and I got so many weird sexual propositions that I immediately shut it down.
>>35665142
It's not like I advertise it.
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Nothing is more annoying than a successful woman who talks down to me
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>>35665215
nah I didnt tbqh just looking to pump and dump a gold digger
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>>35664950
I'm from NYC, cost of living is high here as well.
70k is more then enough to live comfortable as a single person here.
>2k for a studio
I don't believe you.
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>>35665180
No they aren't.
Read the thread I have been called ugly, fat, whore, slut, bitch, and received death threats.
>>35665211
No I live with my mom and dad and siblings.
>>35665185
Ok thank you.
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>>35665176
>5'
there's the problem. nobody wants a stumpy little gremlin who will produce midget sons. try growing to the size of an actual adult human being.
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>>35664498
Haven't read the while thread yet, maybe this has been addressed, but
are you OP, or a different anon?
If not, is OP actually the qt in the pic?
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>>35665255
I bet you aren't even a virgin
The only reason I would lower my standards to your level of attractiveness is if you were
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>>35665176
do you have kik or discord op....i could try talking to you but i lives in germany :( spoiler]I move a lot though and will be coming back to america in a couple years[/spoiler]
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>>35664730
>Reddit is an awful place to ask, they are going to tell me feminist bullshit and how I am lazy and how their single mom worked 80 hours a week as a surgeon and still cooked every single day and kept the house impeccable without even one maid and I should do the same or I am a bad woman and a bad feminist.
so you're just looking for people to tell you things you want to hear, lol
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EXTRA THICC
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>>35665093
>Thats bullshit, men want money too.
Yeah, which is why they're the ones earning it, dumbass.
>Would I get such a reaction of anger if I made $150k?
No, because then you'd be the one making the money, you actual moron.
But you're not making close to 150k, because you're a moron.
>Would you marry and combine finances with a girl who made $24k a year as a nanny?
No.I don't believe in marriage or letting people ignore legitimate responses to questions by calling them cop outs.
>Ah you admit it.
I never said it wasn't poor, retard.
>Men do want money.
I never said they didn't, retard.
The difference between you and a man is that you're too lazy to actually satisfy your greed, so you're begging 4chan to tell you how to attract a wealthy guy. No man is hoping to make his fortune by marrying up.
I make close to 100k off dividends alone, and I (or any other reasonably rich guy for that matter) can sniff out gold digging whores like you a mile away.
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>>35664400
>I work for the government
Didn't cut it in the real world so you had to get a government ""job""
>23 years old
>Making 70k
>Hate job
>Applied for a promotion
Sure, it's just my tax money, take more of it why not
>My goal in life is to have a family and work part time
Better marry a coworker then, or go lesbian since men don't get a free ride like you do so we tend to fail more often
>I want a rich husband but I'm not a gold digger
Though shit, rich men don't want to marry and if they do they marry a 20 year old girl in their 70s
>I don't make enough money to attract a man
Men don't care about money
Plus you are planning to go part time after you get the guy locked up
This little comfy life you are looking to settle into is actually a luxury life very few people afford to live
You think of it as the bare minimum you are entitled to
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>>35664400
>>I want to get knocked up, shit out a kid, and not take care of it (because muh stress). All while not working, because the sex trophy is a handful.
Why would I buy into that?
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>>35665255
>received death threats.
Good lord, fucking kill yourself you raging newfag
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>>35664400
Where do I stand?
33 years old, live with mom in apartment, no job, still working on communications degree at big state school, blind in one eye, short, severly balding, chubby but I've lost 22 pounds. Latino, one 'friend' who lives in his parents basement and demeans me with racist remarks after we play Overwatch, kissed a girl in 2006, haven't touched one since.
What should i do with my life?
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>>35664400
when did women start thinking making more money will make them more attractive to men? I have been seeing this a lot lately, were women think that if they can make more money then more successful men will be interested in them.
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>>35665255
lmao muh death threats
seriously though I have no job and I live with my parents but I'll marry you
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>>35665229
>Better have dried ovaries than end up working 3 jobs and raising a baby while your husband works 2 jobs and goes to school.
okay, so just choose that life since it's better?
I don't understand why you made the thread
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>>35665389
I'd hug you
Why would you get a communications degree though
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>>35665176
>5'
Now I know this is a larp. Only thing that will convince me it isn't, is a time stamp photo.
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>>35665415
>I don't understand why you made the thread
She's a woman.
Fill in the blanks.
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>>35664400
Stop pretending that men give a shit about how much women make.
All that matters for women is being hot and not hopping on another guy's dick at the slightest opportunity.
This entire thread is b8 anyway
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>>35665176
>I am a KV.
I totally believe that.
It's the part where you pretend to be a girl that I'm contesting.
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You should look into Alternate Day Fasting.
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>>35664400
I'll date you right now. I'm a broke uni student but I have a 9/10 face and 7/10 body. Also have sexual experience unlike most of the robots on this board. Majoring in commerce at a top school so I'll have some cash eventually.
Made a throwaway e-mail if you / any fembots desu want to contact: [email protected]
Shoot me a message.
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>>35665540
>Shoot me a message.
no
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>>35665426
Cuz its the only degree that I can work towards because I have no working memory and can't hold anything in my head, I have tried 7 different fields and I always just started sweating constantly then everyone makes fun of me and I panic and literally run out of the room during exams or just stopped going to lectures, or I fuck up labs and break shit or write down the wring figures and everyone laughs at me.
worst was Journalism
second worst was biology
both those fields attract peppy young girls that give you disgusted looks and Tweet constantly or whatever on their smart phones. The bio girls are a bit smarter so they know enough to keep their opinions to themselves but journalism ones just tell me lo leave or won't include me in group projects.
mom says I just need to have a degree of some kind. I tried factory work once but kept getting burned, I couldn't keep up, and Mexican girls half my age but were managers kept yelling at me in Spanish (they forget I dont actually speak it)
Sitting in parking lot in my rusty Geo car right now, it's rattling around and its hot so im getting aweaty but im too scared to go inside at the momment. I'll probably just wait until class is over then he go back home and lie and said that I went to class.
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>>35664730
I am 29 and neet go fuck yourself why are you here
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>>35665563
Bte i didn't lose weight by exercise , I used to have a job at mcdonalds and just ate left over food and bought jack n the box or vidya with my money, once I got fired I stopped eating as much cuz no money..
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>>35665185
>>35665540
>the only big enough losers to give this skank their contacts are broke
I hope OP realizes how representative this is of the real world.
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>>35665244
>living my dream
Fuuuuuuuuck yooooouuu
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>>35665271
No it's not me but I look like her.
>>35665281
I am a virgin.
>>35665304
I have Kik but I won't post mine here.
>>35665306
So you expect your wife to work 80 hours a week and be a surgeon. At least you are honest.
>>35665318
No. What I am saying is that men want women who make good money. WHICH YOUR COMMENT PROVES.
You make $100k off dividends but $100k isn't enough to support a family unless you live in the Midwest, and that's not a life of luxury.
You are not dan bilzerian.
>>35665327
You can thank me that you don't have the plague because I work in infectious diseases. But muh taxes.
>>35665344
Where did I say I wouldn't take care of the kid? Show me in quotes.
I said I can't be a good mom and work full time. Both my career and my family will need compromises.
>>35665389
Maybe don't get a communication degree. Men would say the same to me.
>>35665400
But it's true. Would you marry a woman who made $20k a year and had no desire to make more?
>>35665411
Then you have to get a good job first and move in with MY parents and pay them rent.
>>35665415
No, I am saying being alone is better off than struggling to survive with a partner.
>>35665440
That girl isn't me, I said it like 50 times, she just looks like me but I am thinner w big boobs.
>>35665467
They do care. Would you marry a woman who makes $20k a year and didn't want to make more?
>>35665244
Yeah I am not lying. I heard you can get an apartment for $1200 a month in an area where you hear gunshots.
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none of what you're saying matters in terms of dating, m8. Appearance, expectations, partner count, personal habits and whether you're mentally ill are more relevant. And fuck off with your money bragging roastie
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>>35665623
You are merely a cum dump, nothing you say matters
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>>35664400
You sound great, assuming you're at least 6/10 and have a good relationship with your family I'd marry you and have kids with you. I'm working on my PhD, one day I hope to become a professor or research at a national lab but I would settle for a research job in industry
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>>35665623
>Would you marry a woman who makes $20k a year and didn't want to make more?
If I were some 80K doctor like you want to marry, sure.
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>>35665563
fuck, you might be me in the future
I'm taking computer science and literally everyone else in the class is better than me and I end up being a burden on whoever I group with. I'm probably going to fail, and if I fail my parents are going to rip me apart because every year they get progressively more angry at me for not having a job and being a student is my only excuse
I really fucked up "giving computer science a try" i thought i might like it for meme reasons and basically it was just a lazy copout because it seemed like one of the few serious degrees at the time
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>>35665623
>What I am saying is that men want women who make good money. WHICH YOUR COMMENT PROVES.
Are you illiterate, or just insurmountably autistic?
My entire point is that men work when they want money, woman marry when they want money. If a man makes a decent living, he couldn't care less about what his wife makes.
>$100k isn't enough to support a family
Those are dividends, retard. I didn't even post my salary.
>Midwest, and that's not a life of luxury.
>being so stupid you think luxury is geographically exclusive
lmao no wonder you're poor.
>You are not dan bilzerian.
Thank god.
Only broke losers admire some tryhard trust baby who literally pays to be in B movies.
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>>35665623
>in an area where you hear gunshots.
That's known as "Southern California" you roleplaying idiot
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>>35665623
>Would you marry a woman who makes $20k a year and didn't want to make more?
there aren't many guys who don't want to make a lot of money, stop doing strawman shit
I've seen a million and one girls like you on internet dating sites. You don't even want to date a guy who is in the process of getting his shit together. You want to sell brass for the price of gold.
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>>35665623
M-maybe you can add mine?cosmiccow6
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>>35665707
Sorry, I'm not looking for losers who post on r9k.
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>>35665729
The future comes anon. It comes so damn fast, and so fucking hard.
Jesus fuck my life I just started sobbing, why am I still here? I was browsing 4chan when most you fucks weren't even in middle school.
Things always get worse, everything sucked when i was 19 too, but at least my bones didnt hurt so much when i woke up to attend the same fucking classes over a decade later!
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>>35665794
>Sorry, I'm not looking for losers who post on r9k.
Why is this guy larping as OP? kek what a loser
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>>35665623
>$100k isn't enough to support a family unless you live in the Midwest
WHAT
My dad makes 40-50K, mom made considerably less before she retired, and we're comfortably middle class.
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>>35665623
>I am saying being alone is better off than struggling to survive with a partner.
Then remain alone, you ditzy bitch.
Anyone making what you're looking for has 20 better women lining up to fuck him. You bring nothing to the table but a mediocre salary, and you're looking for men who don't give 2 shits about what you make.
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>>35665623
>But it's true. Would you marry a woman who made $20k a year and had no desire to make more?
If i could retake the blue pill how much she makes wouldn't even be considered, i pay all my bills without a wife and if she could bring in an extra 100 bucks a month that is just raising the standard of living that much higher.
BUT, that is not how things work anymore is it?
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I think you should you leave you fucking normie.
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>>35664400
You're missing out the essential part of how attractive you are.
No one gives a fuck about how much you earn what your job is or what your routine is.
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>>35665824
Off yourself, virgin.
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>>35665707
I would date you FYI.
You sound good
>>35665720
What if you weren't!
Then what?
>>35665742
You don't say anything. You just prove my point.
>>35665772
Yeah, well?
>>35665776
Where did I say I wouldn't date a guy who doesn't have his shit together?
And you didn't answer me. Would you marry a poor girl?
>>35665783
Ok thank you.
I will.
>>35665794
Not me.
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>>35664400
>I don't think I make enough money to appeal to a man
This is retarded. Men don't give a damn what women make. Like you said, as long as you're not a gold digger, you're fine.
You make $69k which is a lot of money in my opinion. You're a female so you're probably not willing to date anybody making less than you. That would be the only reason why a man MIGHT care (i.e. he makes a super fuck ton and doesn't want to get divorce raped) but considering that you make enough to yourself be the provider in a relationship, finances aren't going to be an issue.
The best advice I can give you is to stay in shape (not hard, just stop overeating if you do that. Work out every now and then instead of knitting or whatever other sitting on your ass thing you do after you're done sitting on your ass all day at work) and try to be interesting. You're a female so that's actually you're biggest struggle. Attracting (especially) successful men to hang around requires something for them to hang around for. A successful man doesn't give a shit about your finances.
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>>35665847
And you don't live in California.
>>35665873
So you admit that my salary is mediocre and isn't enough.
>>35665879
So you wouldn't. My point is proven.
>>35665895
Except the guys here
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>>35665895
This is a big factor. I'll let you in on something OP, vast majority of men absolutely do not care how much you make if you're attractive. I know this really cute girl who worked at a concession stand at a movie theater and married a banker because she's just attractive.
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>>35665810
>life only gets progressively worse
I've been aware of how fucked I am since highschool. I have no social or networking skills, am a kv, I'm ugly and and I've never even had a fucking job.
Maybe I should just enjoy the time I have now to the best of my ability and then selfishly kill myself and waste all the time and money invested into me and ruin my parents-
So I guess I don't even have that option. Either way i'm going to drag down their lives.
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>>35665983
You might honestly be retarded.
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>>35665969
$69 k isn't enough to be a provider
It's enough to survive.
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>>35664400
>I work for the government
kys/10
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>>35664730
>which men don't do lol
I volunteer as tribute. But seriously, I think you could easily find a guy to be a househusband if you really wanted to. The reason this isn't a common thing is because you lose your tingles for a man who isn't super successful and out there getting it.
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>>35665988
Bankers make like $40k unless they are management.
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>>35665983
>So you admit that my salary is mediocre and isn't enough.
I admit you're being intentionally dense in regards to realizing that salary has never been relevant to attracting men, and that you're in absolutely no position to theorize about having a larger salary.
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>>35664400
I want a gf but i live on my 160acres and dont work, i grow all my own food and when i want something i build it. I need to find a hippie gf to live this life and raise kids with me.
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>>35665949
>Yeah, well?
Well, move out of California.
Do you have the downs?
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>>35665949
>Would you marry a poor girl?
if I liked her otherwise, sure
meaning I don't care if a girl is NEET but I won't have anything to do with her if she's a slutty druggie or something like that
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>>35666052
>when i want something i build it.
post laptop/desktop, monitor you built from the land, lad
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>>35664950
But why you have to live where you're now, why can't you move ?
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>>35665949
>You just prove my point.
I systematically dismantled your points, which is why this is your only response.
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What has this board come to, replying to such obvious bait.
Sage this garbage and let it die.
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>>35665949
I'm a man that makes 80th percentile money and I don't care about what a woman does as a job as long as she isn't a prostitute.
Here's how I rank:
Not Fat or Old (dealbreakers) > Kindness/Femininity = Intelligence = Face > Body
Don't even factor in how much money she makes.
I think you're making the mistake of applying your own standards of attractiveness for men to yourself. For example: Men might find cutesy feminine faces attractive, so they may then mistakenly believe that a baby face is more attractive to a woman than a rugged, manly face. Similarly, you think that because money makes a man more attractive to you, that money will make you more attractive to men. That is incorrect.
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>>35666019
I'm going through the thread and think you said you live in California. That's your only excuse then and I still don't believe that. Literally move or give up the luxuries you probably came to see as necessities.
You could be here in the east coast and live like literal royalty; shit tons of states where you could get 5+ bedrooms for ~$200,000
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>>35666088
I dont own any of those, my phone is a handydown from my mom when she upgraded to iphone6, my plan cost 15$ a month, i make some money selling chicken eggs and vegi
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>>35666008
Killing spree
Let the police kill you anon, thats actually their job to weed out the human weeda, dont do it yourself, you dont deserve that burden.
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>>35664400
You make it sound like lifes so hard for you. Youre 23 and make 70k a year with above average job security. Im 31 and have been unemployed for just over 2 years. I wasnt privileged like you so i didnt get to go to university. My only hope is manual labor since im not a chick and cant find some pathetic guy to support me. The problem is that i have a curved spine and arthritis which makes it impossible to work manual labor. I cant get ssi either since i live in chicago and all the welfare funds go to blacks and mexicans like my neighbors that have 2 60k suvs. I also have crippling depression and anxiety which makes it hard to go on job interviews because i dont know how to pretend to be happy. I talk to people and have to hold back tears because all im thinking about is blowing my brains out. Its kinda hard to convince someone to hire you in that situation. I cant find help either since most of the people in psychology are insane feminists and if i try to talk about my problems they tell me how im priviledged and that bullshit. Youre worried about how you can make your comfy life even better while im worried how im gonna survive and im supposed to help you? Fuck that! Im tired of being expected to put women first. My life matters too but since im a white male i can just go fuck myself right? All i want is a place to vent with like minded people but thanks to feminists and liberal faggots i cant have that. I hope trump cuts all funding to you department and youre forced to suck dick to get by.
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>>35665949
I live in Canada so my opinion probably isn't all that relevant but I'd just like to say that you sound like a nice girl OP. I'd marry a girl like you regardless of what you make a year assuming you want to actually raise our kids and be more traditional. Also, men don't want women who make more money, that's a meme that the media is selling to young women. Literally all you have to do is be willing to look after the kids, prepare a nice meal for your husband when he gets home from work, and not be a whore.
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>>35665983
>So you wouldn't. My point is proven.
and how is that? If I am not open to marriage regardless, then how could that prove your point?
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>>35665563
How the fuck do people like you shit and piss fuck up in college, but still afford to continue on while I had to fucking drop out because the feds pulled aid I was very dependent on after I had a medical withdraw 1 semester (depression/anxiety had me fucked up)??
I'm a cashier at Walmart now and I don't even know what to do with myself.
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>>35666043
Sorry, investment banker in a major city, not a personal banker at a branch for a bank
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You pay 73% per year in taxes?
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>>35664498
>I look kind of like the girl in the OP picture except for slimmer and with big boobs which is clearly ugly and obese to men
Not to all men. Just to worthless men.
A real man will think the girl in the OP picture is just fine.
And it doesn't even have anything to do with alpha versus beta. Some alphas are worthless men, and some betas are worthless men. A real man -- regardless of whether he's alpha or beta -- will think the woman in OP's pic is worthy, and will not dismiss her for being "ugly" or "obese".
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>>35666285
>a real man
sure is tumbler in here.
"a real man" can decide for himself what they find attractive or not.
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>>35666136
The best part is being reminded how "good my life is" and how many opportunities I've had. They aren't wrong either, I've had it easy compared to most people and I still managed to crash and burn due to my own personal failures.
If there is anyone else to blame however, it's all those teachers and movies and media that threw mindless platitudes at me about how I'm ok, the world is ok, and that it's ok to be weak because everything will work out in the end until I actually believed it when it couldn't be further from the truth.
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>>35665623
>They do care. Would you marry a woman who makes $20k a year and didn't want to make more?
It's icing on the cake at best for a woman to make a lot. Most guys would rather she not be a "career woman" because she won't be there for the kids and if she makes more than him it's emasculating.
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>>35666285
>A real man will think the girl in the OP picture is just fine.
>some alphas are worthless men
>A real man will not dismiss her for being "ugly" or "obese".
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>>35666285
>A real man -- regardless of whether he's alpha or beta -- will...
On what basis? You roasties need to stop pushing your shit meme double standard that men shouldn't want their women to look good while women literally fawn over muscle savages all the time.
I'm not saying girl in OP is even degenerate or anything, but she's clearly not in the best shape that she could be. Would her current physical appearance stop me from pursuing her? Maybe not. But then again I'm not some body building alpha. Maybe I'd also raise my standards (like females) as I got myself into better shape (not a fatty btw, naturally in decent shape I just don't work out).
If you're going to make claims and try to tear men down, try to back it up with something. Your opinions are stronger when they don't float on air... or fat
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>>35665623
>But it's true. Would you marry a woman who made $20k a year and had no desire to make more?
Cannot even believe you unironically asked this question. Men do not give a fuck and do not consider a woman's income. Feminism is BS and we know/expect to still pay your parts
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>>35665949
Not that anon, but
>And you didn't answer me. Would you marry a poor girl?
Yes I would. I live in literally the most expensive county ( http://cost-of-living.careertrends.com/stories/3188/15-most-expensive-cities-america#15-nassau-suffolk-ny-metro ) in the country and I was engaged to a girl that made about $25k a year. Before that, when we were living in a different state, she was making like 15ish. It didn't bother me even the slightest bit. Because I love her. I'd rather be poor and have a good relationship than be rich in a meaningless, loveless on.
That being said, it would be nice to find a girl with a smilar, or higher, salary that me. But her making far less isn't a problem.
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>>35666147
>Also, men don't want women who make more money
Speak for yourself. Back when I was working (I'm retired now), I made about $100K per year. I would have loved it if my wife was making $150K or $200K. It turns out that she was making only $60K, which was fine with me too -- but I would have been genuinely happy for her (and for me too, desu) if she made more.
If a man can't emotionally handle a woman who makes more money than him, then he simply isn't even a man at all. He's just a little boy pretending to be a man.
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>>35666212
Because my mom at 70 is killing herself to keep paying for my schooling.....she still has hope, it's sad as fuck.
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>>35666401
This is the difference between men and women. Imo this is why men even strive as hard as they do - it's attractive to women when you make shit tons of money. Love isn't real to them, they're just infatuated with what you can provide for them.
>>35666439
Jesus man. I'll send some hope your way. What do you even do with a communications degree? It was something I'm considering/others recommended to me as something easy and a quick way to a job. Can I get to work with a bachelors in communications?
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Working is gay
My acreage
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Hell.. guys should be happy with you just because you actually aren't a self- absorbed asshole that thinks they should do/pay for everything.. J have been with some real POS girls that were working when we got together and then figured it was vacation time afterwards..
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>>35666052
I want that life but I am not a hippie, I am a survivalist.
>>35666060
Then my salary would be cut in half
>>35666089
My parents support me and are my best friends.
>>35666090
Yes you want money.
>>35666123
Then my salary would be cut in half
>>35666152
Because if she made $300k you would marry her.
>>35666147
Thank you.
I am trying lol.
>>35666240
How did she get him?
>>35666383
I am not feminist but how can you split a $60k life 50/50 with a girl who makes $20k.
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>>35666487
I am also a survivalist, i dont know any survivialist girls tho, /out/ girls tend to be hippies is all
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>>35666432
are you stupid too? do you not know the difference between wanting a woman who makes a lot of money and just seeing it as a bonus?
so your wife made 60k would you have traded her in for some one else just based on her making more.
If you would you shouldn't have gotten married to anyone
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>>35666487
You didn't respond to me >>35666122 because you know I'm right.
The roastie is toastie.
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>>35666362
>You roasties need to stop pushing your shit meme
Ha ha, you thought I was a roastie? Oh jesus fuck me, now I see why you're all so butthurt about my comment.
> I'm not saying girl in OP is even degenerate or anything, but she's clearly not in the best shape that she could be
Just shut the fuck up, you fucking loser. Plenty of guys like me would love an opportunity to find a nice looking girl like in OP's picture. Take your normie bullshit and shove it up your fucking ass.
>>35666331
Wow, I really touched a nerve with you normie losers. I love how you proved my point so perfectly. You guys aren't real men at all, and it obviously hurts you like hell when someone points that out. What the fuck are you even doing here with us robots? Rubbing your normie bullshit in our faces? Do you get off on that?
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>>35666477
Insurance company, audit shit.
Honestly I don't know I never really thought about what my career would be like because I never assumed that I would actually finish my degree it's just something I do because Mom told me to. I have no dreams expectations goals or hopes for the future and I don't see myself graduating anytime within the next 20 years.
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>>35666559
Because it's untrue. I work with a ton of Asian people and they said that the ideal man is stylish and has a baby face.
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>>35664400
You want to know where you stand OP?
You stand at the precipice of a doctrine. You will never settle for less. You work in the government? You only set your sights on men that are in an equal or better standing than you. You couldn't care less for a man who is working a minimum wage job, despite the fact that he is saving up for an education in the hopes of pursuing a career.
But here is the kicker. If he is attractive enough, you'll definitely fuck him. You just want give two shits about him. Not unless he is educated with a promising future.
Even so, I see many women fall into this trap. They fuck men of low caliber. Men that are too histrionic for their own good. They get accidental pregnancies. Some women even take it as far as getting pregnant if only to gain liquidated assets from child care and child support.
You want to know where you stand in my eyes? You are another lost soul who fell for the, "get education and apply for government" meme. This falls hand in hand with the, "I am now in a financially comfortable position and wouldn't settle for a guy who makes less than me," meme. At best you'll be seeing a guy who is in the process of going to college, or university.
But that is a meme. A deplorable thing. An education means shit all. You can be the most educated person in the world with all the fancy degrees, and still be a shit human being that lacks empathy or a sense of emotional intelligence. You can still be a fucking idiot. A moron. A blunder of a person that makes all of the mistakes in life. Fall for a scam or two, be gullible into dating the wrong people for some reason or another. Contract an std or three. All because of the preconceived notion that you must live your life.
You fall somewhere between that and a lost puppy to me OP. The reality is that I see you for what you are, and if you were to see me, you would only see me for what you want me to be. Every woman falls into this trap though, so take comfort in that solidarity
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>>35666487
You can still do a lot with 35k to yourself or when you meet/marry a guy willing to build a life with you.
>how can you split a $60k life 50/50 with a girl who makes $20k
I was mainly talking about the provider role, not necessarily 50/50 (which really isn't the goal of feminists today). Your post isn't about attractive a man you truly love (though I guess you'll force yourself to see the best in him/love him), it's about attracting a significant money bag that will make your life as comfy as possible.
I say feminism is bullshit because females aren't yet stepping into the provider role, which I feel they should especially because wage gap is BS and women can easily make much much more money than men
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>>35666555
Jesus, you have a serious reading comprehension problem. I never implied I would trade my wife in for anyone else on the basis of her income. You just pulled that weird idea out of your ass.
> do you not know the difference between wanting a woman who makes a lot of money and just seeing it as a bonus?
Of course I do. The fact that I understand that is exactly what caused me to post in the first place.
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>>35666432
Ya, you're right, I phrased what I meant poorly. What I wanted to say was that I don't really care how much she makes. If she makes a lot, then that's good for us from a materialistic standpoint assuming she likes her job. But if she doesn't make much that's alright too because I'm not particularly trying to find a partner who makes a lot of money. Though you're right that I can't speak for all men, some what women who make a lot. I just meant that my friends and I all don't seem to care about how much a women makes as long as her general life goals are similar to mine.
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>>35666052
Got room for a highly valuable male friend, and some dogs? I've always wanted to live your life. The only thing could make that better is if was on a little island, somewhere in the south Atlantic.
It's easier to pick up girls when you have a wing man. We could each find a nice girl to like the good life with. It sounds like being a NEET, but witgoit the unrelenting boredom, and soul crushing uselessness/lack of accomplishment.
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>>35666585
>Take your normie bullshit and shove it up your fucking ass.
You're obviously a no standard cuck that worships the ground females walk on, waiting and hoping for the chance to prove yourself in their eyes. Again, I'm not saying the girl in OP is the worst, but there's literally nothing wrong if someone would look at her and want to pass her up based on her appearance.
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>>35666596
Id love to just abandon civilization and go hermit mode, without medication.
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>>35666604
Bullshit, feminine features on men are not the most desired. Those are outliers and you know it.
No man with feminine features has ever been declared America's sexiest man.
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>>35666439
Dude you sound exactly like me except youre a little better since youre in school. Im the same way when it comes to remembering shit thats why ive given up on school. My emails marcopolo632@gmail if you wanna talk.
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>>35666487
>Because if she made $300k you would marry her.
Really? I would? Well that is news to me, and here I thought you couldn't buy love, but turns out that you can. though it makes me feel kind of good that my love has been valued by a third party at 300k.
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>>35666759
Men can buy love famalam. Be successful like OP/women is seeking and women will love you up (as much as love for a beta provider is possible)
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>>35666715
Are you even familiar with the concept of a pretty boy? A balance of feminine and masculine features is highly attractive to women. Guys like Tom Cruise and a young Leo DiCaprio were considered Hollywood sex symbols in their prime and they both have relatively feminine pretty boy faces tempered by sharp, masculine features.
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>>35666487
>How did she get him?
She's very attractive, worked in a public setting, and wanted to have a family and be a stay at home mom, easy mode for women. Men absolutely do not care about your career or how successful you are. If anything that just takes away from the degree of care their children would get
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>>35666477
Thinking about what you said, I guess maybe part of it could have been that when we met, I was dirt fucking broke. Driving a 94 Chevy pick up that I was working on every other day, living in my buddies pool house.
Within a year of starting with her I was able buy a brand new car, straight up, cash. But that goes back to your point of men striving so hard. I didn't get my shit together for me, I did it because I was always so worried she would leave me eventually for being broke
But it wasn't my money that attracted her. I had none.
She was the exception though. She's the only girl that hadn't lost interest/broke up with over finances.
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>>35666793
you cant buy only rent, if they love you for your money then they really love your money and not you. in this case your the third wheel between her and her true love, you just there because you have to be.
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>>35666795
Boy bands and pretty boys still have masculine features like sharp defined jaws, they just look younger.
Oh yeah, and check out Tom. Quite feminine. kek, he has more masculinity in his stubble than you have in your entire body.
You think that women are attracted to femininity in men just as much as men are attracted to femininity in women?
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>>35666801
I think it's possible to find women content with an average life/income, like the girls you see on Cops in the midwest or east coast or whatever. But if you want one of these good looking stacies all over social media, you gotta come with the stats they've come to expect.
Life is survival, survival is pleasure, and pleasure is experienced the most, physically/mentally/whathaveyou, through sex/love.
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>>35666754
My memory gets even worse when I panic, and i always panic
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>>35666884
>You think that women are attracted to femininity in men just as much as men are attracted to femininity in women
No, both sexes are attracted to a balance of feminine and masculine traits. "Rugged, masculine" men i.e. men who look like mongoloid neanderthals will never be as attractive to women as a pretty boy like Tom. In the same way that pan-faced Asian girls who look like children are considered less desirable than white women, who have masculine features like a stronger jawline.
You're probably some neckbeard looking uggo who is trying to convince himself that your ugliness is actually just "ruggedness" and that women will be more attracted to you than they will be to a man with more refined, youthful features which is utterly laughable.
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>>35666898
Same here. Thats why i avoid having in person conversations. My mind goes blank and i struggle to find words so i end up stuttering and looking retarded. I hate my brain.
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>>35666487
>>35666247
>Healthcare is paid for
>1 month paid vacation
>PENSION
>cannot be fired
>steady, predictable raise every year
What THE FUCK is so expensive about your life? The grocery store?
Raise your children in a condo in the city and commute close to work. YOU are LIVING BEYOND YOUR MEANS and have DREAMS BEYOND YOUR MEANS.
This is why people hate government unions. Because of people like you. I know this is bait but I'm actually fucking mad because I know people like this and I paid nearly a third of my income in taxes last year. And have no PTO, no steady work, and no benefits. Guess how much of my salary goes to healthcare and what you call "benefits?"
That said, I would probably at least try to date someone like you, if I could convince you to give up your grandiose Americana mad men fantasy. Otherwise, you will have irreconcilable financial differences with a "good man."
Or, how about this, marry another government drone and accelerate the implosion of CALPERS.
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>>35667003
No, moron, I was using feminine and masculine features to describe how men and women's attraction towards money is different. Fuck, you're daft - did you even read the thread?
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>literally the only purpose of having a man around is for him to provide money for his family
>men lash out at women calling them whores and gold diggers for saying they would like a man who can provide
stay useless, disposable sex
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>>35667023
1. I am living below my means
2. I work in infectious diseases so thank me that you don't have the plague.
3. A condo is $400k + where I live for a ONE BEDROOM. For a TWO BEDROOM it's $500-600k plus.
5. 40% of my income goes to taxes too
6. I don't get a raise every year the last
Raise was like 5 years ago. I max out at $35 an hour.
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>>35667213
Your last raise was 5 years ago when you were supposedly 18? You were doing decent with the bait but not anymore. And you should get a raise every year. You go tell your boss to review you and give you a raise. The fact you dont know this is why theres an earnings gap.
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>>35666685
Hmmm okay, are you white?
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>>35664400
>I make $70k
Rule of thumb, women only will find a man not worth divorcing if he makes at least 50% more than they do. You're going to lean towards guys making over $120k, who are few and far between, and will just cheat on you because every woman wants them.
Even if the guy makes $120k, you're going to try and live a $200k lifestyle - why not you make the money - then you're going to resent him for not making $200k and letting you stay at home with the kid.
>Should I strive to become a doctor so I can make a good living and attract a successful man?
Women are 2/3rds of Master's holders and half of Doctors. There literally aren't enough men to go around, and when a guy hears "hi I'm 35, want to have kids" that rightfully sends off alarm bells like crazy when any successful man knows he can get a 20 y/o who wants kids, and anyone less successful knows you're just going to be bitter used goods.
>attract a succesful man
You should really think about that statement, that more than someone who treats you well, more than someone who loves you and is faithful, more than someone who can be a good father, you want money. If you only looked at men who made more than $100k, you're looking at 10%, at most. Since you're a roastie who'll bitch if her husband isn't making at least $150k "because you're in an expensive area and deserve that lifestyle" you're looking at less than 5%. The richest 5% of men who will want nothing to do with a woman who plans to keep her career when they have 50% of women to select from, easily.
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>>35667307
/thread
I think we can stop giving this roastie attention now
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>>35666432
>men can't emotionally handle it
The divorce rate of female breadwinners is 80% within five years, at the most. Women can't handle making more than men, just like they can't handle a short boyfriend.
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Femanon, would you consider me, i'm acreage anon, i pull less than 12k a year, my only expense is a 400$ incom tax yearly
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>>35667262
No I get performance raises but the hourly raises don't go up in conjunction with cost of living.
>>35667307
If he's not successful
Then I don't want kids.
I don't want my life to be a struggle.
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>>35667271
Very. Mostly German, with a little Scottish/Irish/whatever other Western European contaminated genes my father gave me.
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>>35667391
Why don't you just kill yourself then? You're not emotionally capable of living with anything but the best and blame men when you don't get to be rich, have a full-time job, have a rich husband, and have kids. You're a useless woman.
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>>35664400
>my goal in life is to have a little family.
stopped reading there senpai i'll go back to watching anime
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>>35667385
She would not
>>35667429
Slow down there famalam, she said if he's not successful then she doesn't want kids, not not the man.
>>35667391
Would you seriously consider dating/marrying a man that isn't "successful"? I just took a cashier job at Walmart and I'm hoping to get promoted to Customer Service Manager within a year. That's $10-$10.50/hr and I'm honestly okay with that money because I'm a single person and I know how to handle money.
Would you consider someone like me, for example, even though you make $69k? Please remember were an anonymous board so you can go ahead and answer honestly.
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>>35667501
I know it was theoretical
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>>35667423
Also 28, not a fat ass, and am close enough to 6' no one has questioned it.5'11
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>>35667501
If she doesn't want kids why should she even bother being alive. She'll never actually love a man. She's openly said it, all the women who have a job and family are stressed out and it makes them worse as people, and despite the evidence staring her in the face EVERY DAY, she decides she wants to do the same thing, except with even high standards, like all those women just made a mistake in who they married and should work harder and everything will be fixed and perfect.
It's clear she's had such an easy life that she thinks dreams come true and the magical wish fairy will make anything possible. She should just kill herself because she'll never be an adult. Make the job available for a man who is sane and can manage his life and family instead of trying to marry someone twice their income and live in a world of cake and candy and unicorns.
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>>35667516
Wat if i said i was memeing about my future and dont actually own the land yet (but i will within the next year or 2) :^)
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>>35667429
I said if he is not successful, I don't want kids. Not "I wouldn't marry him"
I am not going to suffer needlessly because my husband and I had kids carelessly and selfishly. If I can't spend time with my kids and give them a good life, then no kids for me.
>>35667501
No, I wouldn't, because you can't even contribute to a household income for 2 people. If you were in school then I would. Why not go to vocational school?
For me I need $40k or more.
$40k isn't much where I am, a nursing assistant makes that much.
>>35667583
This is retarded.
I am not going to give my future kids a life of just barely scraping by or where I cannot spend time with them because I am too busy working. If I was delusional I would just have kids anyway.
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Suppose I'll bite the bullet and settle for you.
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>>35667677
>because you can't even contribute to a household income for 2 people
Guess I meant to imply if we were living here in the east. I was in Uni but had to drop when things got expensive. How would you like to be my sugar mama? Fund and raise yourself a man?
>Why not go to vocational school?
I'm really looking to do anything that will land me a decent (office) job that makes decent money. Suggest career routes for me desu. Preferably something thats okay with a bachelors because I'm not super ambitious. I mean I might be if I could actually afford schooling but whatever.
>I am not going to give my future kids a life of just barely scraping by or where I cannot spend time with them because I am too busy working
Bless you. Poor anon here I hate my mom for having 3 kids and she only makes 30k now (before taxes and only recently. was much much less growing up). Granted she was with my father and they got divorced but still
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>>35664400
I'm not reading all this shit. Men dont give a fuck about your job, your friends or money so long as you look good, keep house, cook, arent crazy and eventually give kids. Anyone who says otherwise is lying or a KHV loser
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OP, why don't you just... move somewhere with a lower cost of living?
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>>35667677
$60k is the median household income. Household, as in two people. By yourself, you can give your kids a better life than half of all American couples.
I want you to explain to me how even if your husband made exactly the same money as you, how having more spending money than the average couple GROSSES means you and your family would "scrape by".
I know you're shit at math honey, but let me do it for you: $75k * 2 = $150k. Even if 40% is taking out as taxes, you're down to $90k. Paying $3000 a month in rent puts you at $56k, just under the household GROSS of American couples.
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I feel so awful for today's young women trying to find a man who isn't a waste of flesh... I'm 28 years old and I think people my age are just about when men became useless. Very grateful for my husband.
When I met my husband I was 22 and he was 25. He had his own place, a car, a non-useless degree and made more than enough to support himself, not to mention he had no anxieties or mental problems.Today you can't even find a guy that age who doesn't live with his mom and gets his parents to drive him around. It's very sad young women are expected to give birth for these things.
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>>35667605
I would say
>damn. I had so many questions about how you're doing it.
That's ok though! That gives us 2 years to get to know each other, so I know you're not going to murder me and clothing out if my skin. And also some time to round up some qts. We could each have a little harem.
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>>35667932
>The absolute state of this bait.
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>>35667932
>how sad that men today aren't all pristine degree holders making enough to support theirselves and my roastie ass in the midst of a shit tier economy and unaffordable schools
>Very sad that young women like myself who contribute absolutely nothing to the lives of these men besides the vaginas we're valued for are expected to give birth for these things, to further burden them financially and lock them down for ourselves
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>>35667213
Great for you. I'm sure you're doing great work in government. No, really.
BUT:
You make significantly more than $69k.
Do you know how much a pension and healthcare benefits are worth? Not to mention a month of PTO? Oh but I feel so bad for you that the month per year of PTO is taxed. Boo hoo.
If you think you "cannot afford things," on that salary, YOU ARE LIVING ABOVE YOUR MEANS.
IF you live in the bay area, you might have a point. But you don't, because if you did, you would be a decade overdue on realizing how stupid you are for staying there on that salary.
In fact, you need to actually say "I make only $69k with full benefits and pension" because that accurately reflects your real compensation.
Not to mention the job security.
YOU are why the housing crisis happened. Like I said, find a colleague and wait for CALPERS to implode.
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>>35666487
>Yes you want money.
I also want some nachos. That doesn't validate an accusation that I want to fuck the nachos.
Are you literally unable to distinguish something desirable for yourself and something you find attractive in a mate?
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>>35667963
That sounds really nice anon, I'm canadian, you dont mind country movin?
Im looking at 160 acres for 50,000 then building a couple cottages, maybe 5000 per. Then some chickens and piggies
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>>35666487
>Then my salary would be cut in half
And your living expense would be cut by 2/3.
If you were making a few hundred thousand you could say that. At not even seventy thousand, that just sounds stupid.
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>>35668158
Also contact?
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>>35666585
>a REAL man would have no standards
I thought my post was pretty tame, but that was a nice little tantrum.
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>>35668081
You say "making enough to support themselves" as if it's hard to attain. Hilarious.
Also I supported myself, had my own car and my own apartment at 22 when the economy was in the worst part of the recession. I was raised to look up to men which makes the whole situation even more pathetic.
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>>35664400
>I work for the government
Don't need to read any further, you're scum
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>>35668116
My paycheck:
$1600
Monthly paycheck:
$3200
Rent:
$2000
$3200-$2000= $1200
Gas: $120 a month
$1200-$120 = $1080
Food: $400 a month
1080-400 = $680
Car: $300 a month
$680-300 = $380
Miscellaneous needs: $100 a month
$380-$100 = $280
Eyebrow waxing: $10 a month
$280-$10= $270
Unforeseen events: $50 a month
$270-$50 = $220
Internet $50 a month
$220-50 = $170
$170 a month for savings
If I had a loan, I would be down to $0. I counted 24 paychecks but with the 2 paychecks i would only save like $4000 a year.
I would need at least $100k for a $400k down payment for a condo. That's 25 years of saving.
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thread is full of faggotry left and right
heres a kitty
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sorry if you already said this but how old are you OP? try going for older men in their late 20s to early 30s if you are old enough for it to not be weird, men any younger than that will make you feel like a single mom
you may not like hearing this (I certainly did not) but today using dating sites or tinder is a MUST or you will simply not meet anyone
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>>35668480
>That's 25 years of saving.
That's 25 years of no raises, Einstein.
Maybe career guys don't want you because your career is a joke.
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Go on more irl dates and lower your standards.
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>>35664400
Wont even read but i think you are perfect pls date me (im not desperate at all)
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>>35668158
160 acres for 50k holy shit. That's amazing.
And hell no, I love Canada. I grew up in New Hampshire, and have always lived in boarder states since then, we used to go there allllll the time. "No parties tonight? Off to Canada"
How would you build the cabins? Old school log style, or modern materials? I really want a little log cabin, bathroom, living room with a woodstove, kitchen/dining room, and bedroom. Maybe a little loft over looking the living room, to sleep in. That's my definition of /comfy/ only thing better would be water near by, river, lake ocean, Idc.
>pigs
>chickens
>goats
All of them are extremely low maintenance to feed. All of them can eat whatever you give them, scraps, spoiled meat/veggies whatever.
A talipia pond is good too. They grow quickly, and fuck a lot. And they're fai bland, they just end up tasting like whatever you cook them with.
Add to that
>big herb/spice garden
>lots of veggies
>rice if you can
You'd be killing it then.
What about power? Solar, wind, geothermal?
I feel like tgis thread is going to die soon.
So. [email protected] is my burner address, if you want to continue when this dies.
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>>35668525
So you believe my salary isn't good enough and men aren't attracted to it.
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>>35664400
Hahahhaha yes you are a gold digger you are asking for a guy who is finacially capable and that makes you a fucking gold digger.
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>>35668785
Google or youtube hobbit house, those can be built for around 5k
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>>35668480
$2000 in rent? My god, your financial sense is non-existent. Yes, if you spend 66% of your take home on rent, it's going to be hard to make ends meet. No shit. Here we get to the heart of the issue.
By the way, if you live with your parents and save what you would be paying in rent for 5 years, you will have a down payment for a $500k place saved up. And you wouldn't even have to have another income in the mix to do it. (If you got together with one of your colleagues and saved together, it should take you 5-6 years.)
You should already have at least $20,000 saved up, right now, assuming you went to a four year and graduated in 4 years.
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>>35668790
>>35668525
>she can't tell the difference between a career and a salary
>>35668480
>one month time off
>has health insurance and pension
>lives in her parents house yet can't save the $2000 a month she's not spending on rent
Your math is wrong dear.
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>>35668869
Cmon we all know he's just baiting. Only the most delusional and retarded person thinks they can spend more than a third of their paycheck on rent, right?
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>>35668869
I have $50k saved and I will buy a condo cash. No 30 year mortgage for me.
$2k a month is not for a fancy apartment. It's for a small apartment in a non ghetto area.
>>35668941
I AM SAVING EVERYTHING
ITS STILL NOT CHEAP
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What man gives a shit how much money you make? That said, since you've become tainted by higher education then maybe you do need to be rich to make up for it.
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Im gunma have a nap guys, nighty night
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>mfw all it takes is a broken Stacy to divide the board.
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>>35669713
All Stacy's are broken. It's sad to see what women have become.
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