Reminder that god will always love you

THERE lS NO GOD

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>he still hasn't given me a qt gf
He has a strange way of showing it.

>>35636696
he is real if you believe in him

>>35636682
Thanks OP, these kind of threads give me life.

>>35636682
Oh yeah? If my severe autistic outbursts in social situations, morbid obesity, face that looks like it was ran over by a steamroller, and my horribly average penis are his signs of love, then you're right, I'm overflowing with his love.
Rejoice.

>>35636682
So much original cancer

>>35636682
If he loved me so much then he would be my gf (god).

>>35636921
maybe if you ask very nicely and humbly you can get a godfriend

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>>35636682
I hope soo, otherwise, the sacrifices I brought were useless.

>>35636869
He can't control how you act
the only thing he can do is give you the strength to change

>>35636935
But if he loves me so much then he should ask me out.

>>35636682
The bible doesn't say this. It says he hates all nonbelievers and wants to torture them forever. Only a few people are loved by God and you have to be preselected before Birth

>>35636682
Baphomet has treated me better than God ever did
He is the True manipulator
Judas was the True martyr

>>35636682
>Reminder that god will always love you
Then tell him to stop pooping on me

>>35637058
>the devil is such a trickster that he convinced everyone he was god and that god was the real devil
Absolutely mischievous.

>>35636999
It's more like father-son love
No incest allowed faggit

>>35637010
don't search god only in books anon

>>35636990
I'm waiting
Originally

I went to Church last week and I was feeling it. All the God stuff made sense to me. There was one big barrier though: why should I give a fuck about Jesus? He's a prophet/ philosopher at best, plus he has haxx on that undermine anything that he, as a man, accomplished. If it was just
>Pretty smart that fell, pretty holy
That's fine. But making it all about him - a cult of personality - makes no sense to me. Puts me off.

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>>35636682
GOD DOESN'T EXIST YOU MORON.

I used to believe in that shit just like the rest of my family and that was one of the reason why I am still a virgin and loser - the fucking god and the fear of sin was always more important for my retarded parents than spending holidays, taking care of me etc. I hope all the believers around the world will be brutally killed in the next great revolution.

Greetings from the edgy atheist. 'tips fedora'

>>35638092
If you don't get Christ then you don't get Christianity, the church is meaningless, the rituals are meaningless. Jesus is the foundation of our faith. He isn't a philosopher, or a teacher. You have to understand he preached that he is/was the Son of God. Back then that was pretty much blasphemy. People thought he was either mad or the Son of God.

>>35638435
But the storyline surrounding him just feels bullshit. If it's true, I just don't find it compelling. I have been around the faith my entire life by the way.

Personal relationship with God: sounds good.
Some cuck he created just to retcon his own rules: lame.

>>35638621
"No one comes to the father except through me"
You're on your way to hell, bud

>>35638621

You can't have a personal relationship with God because of sin. Jesus came so that the sacrifice for sin could be me through him. He bore our sins on the cross (1 Peter 2:24)

>>35638694
Fine, I don't want to crack on with that tyrant shit anyway. I've tried to understand and get on board, but all the threats and nonsense about it just doesn't do any good for me. I'm not doing something because some egotist with great power threatens me. That's just a bully.
>Implying we aren't already in Hell

>>35638730
So he's a middle man for a religion where the deity came up with a rule to distance Himself from His creation, and perma-shamed them for things outside their control? Totally unappealing.

>>35638730
If he died for my sins why do I go to hell for commuting them? Was his sacrifice in vane?

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>>35638877
>tfw Jesus' sacrifice was a temporary buff

>>35638877
Faith not Works. You go to Hell if you don't believe hard enough.

>>35638744
Actually he wants you to obey him because you love him. It's exactly like you obeying your parents because you love them not because you're afraid of them. If you understand sin then you will understand how it hurts us and others. So if your dad tells you not to stick your finger in the electric socket, it doesn't make sense to despise him.

And you're right. Heaven and hell are here. Not literally but symbolically. Hell is separation from God. So we can be in hell here. Depression, loneliness, hate, they're all the fruits of sin. They were all my version of hell on Earth.

>>35638767
Middle man is more or less correct. Jesus is also known as the great high priest.

>Perma-shaped them for things outside their control

I don't understand what you mean by this. Could you explain it?

>>35638877
This should help

"sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned"

So when our forefathers disobeyed they knew it would lead to death, yet they still disobeyed. Original sin entered, and it changed man's nature. So humans therefore has a nature that was inclined to sin. And this sin lead to death.

And this death "reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command"

So in order to change this, God send Jesus, man and God, to take us away from death, and bring us eternal life.

"For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous."

Please tell me if you need more clarification. I'm a new Christian so I'm also learning.

>>35640008
Thank you for your considered response. I'm the first two. I do understand the separation from God thing and I'm pretty depressed myself. The idea that I could be happy if only I surrender my will and that mental illness is a 'fruit of sin' is not something I can get behind. For your plug socket analogy to work there would have to be a functional reason for sin to exist outside of being a shit test. Creating an entire reality only so that those creations will love you or perish is monstrous.

The 'things outside their control' is the idea of original sin, and a taint that was inevitable and unavoidable, and then holding those essentially suffering from sin accountable for it. It's no different from racism, for example.
>You're black and you'll always be black. You can't help it and you will go to Hell for it. However, I love you so if you have faith in me I'll save you. Even though you're black, and automatically evil. Aren't I generous? Feel free to start worshipping any time. Or, you know, Hell. I gave you free will so that you could choose after all :^)

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That moment when I think i'm a relatively good person, who treats friends an family with care and respect. Yet i'm probably damned just because of my sexual deviancy in pornography.

>>35636682
If God was real he'd be Deus Vulting Europe by now.

>>35640162

>mental illness is a 'fruit of sin' is not something I can get behind.

But that's how it works. If something is malfunctioning it's because the seed of sin was sown. Sometimes it's our own parents who do so. (Generational sin).

Why can't you get behind it? What is stopping you from being free?

When I was mentally ill it started with me watching porn, the porn got worse and my conscience got corrupted. There came a point where I watched the most degrading porn imaginable and felt nothing. And also with increasing perversity was increasing deterioration of my mental health.

Granted, this is a personal experience but there are various reasons for why someone is mentally ill. And like I said, there are times when we're not even accountable for it (and when we're not, it's called a venial sin). But that's the thing with sin. It's a ripple effect, when someone sins it can affect you indirectly. And then you sin and carry the chain forward. Sin therefore bears eternal consequences. Which is why Jesus (mortal and immortal) died.

>For your plug socket analogy to work there would have to be a functional reason for sin to exist

How so? Sin doesn't serve a function other than to be a wilfull separation from God.

The plug socket analogy just serves to show you one reason why we should listen to God.

Anyway, feeding the intellect helps only so much. I think true conversion is only acheived when you feel it in your heart- that God is real and he is good. Otherwise it's only understood it in the mind but never experienced.

>>35640594
In the case of the plug socket there's a good reason for it to be there. If its only function was electrocuting disobedient children then no parent would have it in their home.

I don't mean for this to come off as an attack and I'm glad you feel better, but I don't believe that dependency on something outside yourself - whether it be a God, heroin, an ideology or a Slimming World or AA group - is healthy either.

To look at it another way though, my understanding is as you say something in my head and not in my heart. As they so often say, mortal understanding is by the by and faith is essential. Unfortunately I don't have faith in anything, beyond a handful in myself.

>>35640162

>Taint that was inevitable and unavoidable

But it was avoidable, when Adam and Eve had a choice they chose wrong. Admittedly if you were a child back then, then you didnt have much of a choice whether we you'd have original sin or not. But now we have baptism, which removes the taint of original sin.

>You're black and you'll always be black.

No, once we were "white" but that taint of original sin ruined it.

>You can't help it and you will go to Hell for it.

That's not true either. Those who died from original sin before Jesus came down to earth, were essentially stuck in limbo. Then Jesus after his death went to them and they had to choose whether they believed in him or not.

>Even though you're black, and automatically evil.

We're not automatically evil, because that implies God creation is evil. And it isnt. We're at our core good.

I think this should help clear the understanding of original sin

According to the catechism of the Catholic church-

Although it is proper to each individual, original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam's descendants. It is a deprivation of original holiness and justice, but human nature has not been totally corrupted: it is wounded in the natural powers proper to it, subject to ignorance, suffering and the dominion of death, and inclined to sin - an inclination to evil that is called concupiscence". Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ's grace, erases original sin and turns a man back towards God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle.

>>35640738
I think that's the funny thing about freewill. It was a way for sin to enter, a door, a choice to open that door. So there is a functional reason for sin so much as there is a reason for freewill. Sinning is a choice to say no to god.

>dependency on something outside yourself

It isn't simply dependency. Man was created as beings of love. God is love and we are the creation of love. We were created to love God.

It's like saying sleeping, or eating, is simply dependency.

The emptiness, existential crisises, all point to a need. And this need is met in God.

If you want faith ask God to give you the gift of faith. "Ask and you shall receive" I can sense you want to come close to God, so kill the ego and just ask God. "Come near to God and he will come near to you"

>>35640955
That last quote from the Catechism was of particular interest to me.

Anyway, Adam and Eve, having no frame of reference for right and wrong nor were they given any indication of consequence (and therefore no reason to obey) made an uninformed choice.

If we were at our core good we wouldn't need Christ to give us a free pass. Besides as I hope you'll see, the premise outlined above is extremely shady and totally unethical. God clearly wanted original sin to happen because there was no reason for it not to happen, and temptation driving it.

Rather than all that nonsense about Mankind being fundamentally wounded, damaged and inferior an all-powerful God could just fix it rather than punish all humanity for all time. If there is a God as the set-up here outlines, he wants to keep us weak and grateful, and to make sure we're aware we're to blame. This is the same system of conditioning torturers and pedophile relatives use.

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>tfw my faith is the only thing keeping me going
>hear people talk about HURR WHY DO PEOPLE BELIEVE IN RELIGION STILL DAE SCIENCE XDDD
I fucking hate those types of atheists

>>35641103
This is something that people have wrestled with throughout the ages: yes I do want to have faith, but I cannot understand and my understanding points to an evil God.

Also, none of this really persuades me that Christ is worth much rather than God covering it. I don't know why but something about the character of Jesus annoys me on a deep level.

>>35641117
>having no frame of reference for right and wrong nor were they given any indication of consequence

God said if you disobey you die. So they knew he consequences. "in the day that you eat from it you shall surely die"

And once they disobeyed they knew they did something wrong. That's why they tried to hide from God.

They were accountable and made an informed choice.

I have to go to sleep now.
I think some light reading of the catechism of the Catholic church should clear up your doubts:
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p7.htm


When another Christ gen bread pops up, you'll be sure to find me and then we can discuss.

I was just like you. I believed in God but thought he was evil. I was prepared to go to hell to. I mean, that's how adamant I was. But then, one day I felt God's presence.

>>35640410
If we're talking about sexual deviancy then I'm one of the worst. Short of rape I've done and seen terrible things. Yet one day I felt the holy spirit in my chest, like water it cleansed my soul. And this heaviness that I didn't know i was carrying for years, left me. My addictions suddenly stopped as well.

So if you think you're disgusting or dirty or whatever,(just like I did) know this:

"Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die.

But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

So I'm convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

There is no condemnation in Christ. Only the devil condemns. So don't listen to the enemy's lies.

That's all folks. Goodnight

>>35636682
this. It's why my father killed himself when I was 10. He wated me to become stronger. This is why he gave me scoliosis. He wanted me to learn to accept myself and my inperfections. This is why I was bullied. He wanted me to stand up for myself
I think you're full of shit OP

Things have turned around in my life completely once I started having faith in God alone. It took years of me trying everything else to fill that God-shaped hole in my soul but with time, as I started praying and accepting, even on my worst days I feel blessed. I used to be hypercritical and uncomfortable with religion, but now I can't imagine life without knowing Jesus Christ saved me.

>>35641592
"god is kind and loves you"
>God said if you disobey you die

>>35636682
>Reminder that god will always love you

That's funny, considering his followers want to kill every single person whose interpretation of God differs from their own.

>>35641159
>but I cannot understand and my understanding points to an evil God
the only evil in the world is done by humans fampai. either turning away from god or acting in ignorance of him.

no, a flesh-eating parasite is not "evil", nor is a lion eating an antelope.

>>35641632
God is merciful and just. The punishment of sin is death.