How accurate is this guys?

>>35620112
I'm not even MGTOW or anything like that.

But I just want a girl to love me, or atleast hold me.

>AND LASTLY ....
>38 seconds pass before he finishes his sentence

Unlikely.

>>35620135
Christ are you 13 years old?

MGTOW is a support group for beta faggots who donate their minimum wage bux to cam whores on twitch.

>>35620135
she will love you for limited amount of time then she will either leave you or stay but resent you/tolerate you because she has to

that's the best case scenario btw

>>35620150
I think it has some merit because it encourages people with no dating prospects to not dwell on it and do what they love anyway

the problem is when they end up being obsessed with women and hating them. I know how it feels to be invisible to women but the best case scenario is to learn to live without them and try to avoid them

>>35620112
Im not mgtow but Im like bottom pic. is this comic making fun of guys like me who can't find anyone?

>>35620112
Well my life is like his depicted I guess, but I honestly don't want a relationship.
Not like I'd have a chance getting into one if I did but at least I don't wallow in bitter self-pity and lie about what I truly wish for.

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>>35620112

>MGTOW attacked because men are valued on their ability to find a woman
>No one dares attack their arguments because it would be too difficult

>>35620179
Why would she resent me? And why only for a limited amount of time?

>>35620231
yes

>>35620263
you're just mad because it's accurate

yes MGTOW's are mostly right that society hates men and shits on them as muhc as possible

but on the other hand they're wrong theinking they can "go there own way" and be happy

it's impossible, unless you have a sort of ascendant version of autism where you literally require no social interaction in life to feel emotional fulfillment.

and that level of ascendant autism is rare. Most people have regular autism.

>>35620378
Because you will never be perfect

>>35620112
>Gynocentric society makes men miserable and lonely
Yes, we already know.
It's funny. I've never seen an actual good argument against MGTOW; everyone just attacks the people who ascribe to it.

>>35620638
But aren't the reason girls get a boyfriend because they think he's perfect? I've heard it all before "Oh my boyfriend is so perfect!"

>>35620694
Women never say what they actually mean.

>>35620263

You're biologically, culturally, and socially compelled to seek a mate. Realizing the effort involved in achieving that prerogative is more than you're willing to put in leads to intense cognitive dissonance and the MGTOW doctrine relieves it in a superficial way. Wow that was fucking easy.

>>35620609
Happiness is a meme. I'd rather be sad independently than have some whore draining all my resources/income in exchange for sex

>>35620722
Well, if I manage to finally get a girlfriend one day. I'm sure if I just keep her pleased and happy, she won't have to lose interest.

>>35620733
Why is MGTOW "superficial?" Plenty of men who abandon the rat race for pussy lead complete and emotionally and spiritually fulfilling lives.

>>35620733

> Realizing the effort involved in achieving that prerogative is more than you're willing to put in leads to intense cognitive dissonance

It's more like there are no mates available. The number of marriage quality women has declined considerably.

I feel the problem is the need of making a movement out of it. You could just not try to get a partner and stay quiet about it and people will see you like a little less of a weird loner than they would if you proclaim being MGTOW all the time.

>>35620780
This. Biological compulsion to seek a mate hits a wall when the number of desirable mates dwindles.

>>35620799
>Hmm I suppose you can be independent as long as you never talk about it or allow it to be part of your identity
The idea that independence from women makes so many people uncomfortable just proves MGTOW's point.

>>35620808
are we the beautiful ones?

>>35620844
society depends on that though
its a natural insinct to feel revulsion toward
thats why people hate the homosex,

>>35620747
This.
I won't make me happy but neither would people.
I'm comfier in my own company; I'm a wreck around people.

>>35620609
>emotional fulfillment by skinbags
>humans are, like, social animals

good goy

>>35620778

It's superficial because, in the vast majority of cases, your second sentence is false. Here's a personal example of mine to illustrate cognitive dissonance: I smoke cigarettes. Cigarettes lead to an exponential risk to my life. Therefore, somebody who smokes cigarettes is an idiot. I am not an idiot. How do I deal with this? I pretend I'm not killing myself. I'll probably have lung cancer in 30-40 years, and Mr. MGTOW will probably be full of regrets on his deathbed.

>>35620780

This is maybe the only rational support, but I think it's overblown

>>35620763
Hopefully you do. But just realize, it may or may not be that way for long.

>>35620901
>18
smoking correlation to lung cancer rates is a scientifically backed up fact that
apples and oranges.

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>>35620884
I hate the homosex because it's disgusting degenerate behavior with no inherent value, in the name of which all sorts of distasteful cultural slides have been performed.
Frankly I find all sex rather disgusting, I only disdain the homosex more than the heterosex because the pro-reproductive propaganda and hardwired instinct runs deep.

>>35620901

MGTOW will not die "with regrets" because that assumes the right choice all along was to get married. It wasn't, and it isn't. Marriage is a risky business, and men are slowly becoming aware of it.

As of now, 1/3 marriages will end in divorce. Some men don't want to take that risk. There's also the mistake to assume MGTOW don't fuck women or don't get into relationships. This is incorrect. MGTOW just refuse to get married.

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>>35620897
>>35620747
>>35620892
humans are social animals though like all primates

without social interaction you slowly go insane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O60TYAIgC4

the most important sort of social interaction is being intimate with someone you really care about (romantic partner)

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>>35620901
bah, anyone who isn't "full of regrets on their deathbed" has gone senile or is a liar
life is cruel, short and brutish; get through your days

>>35620901
>marry or don't marry: you'll regret both
t. mark twain

how come I everybody assumes mr wagecuck for family will have no regrets on the deathbed? old people get increasingly carted off to retirement homes while beta dad is expected to work is entire live from age 24 on

sure no regrets there

>>35621010
you can have social interaction outside of marriage you know

>>35621010
My self esteem is so low that I feel more comfortable voluntarily shutting myself out from any potential relationships than seeking social interaction, because I know that I wouldn't be to handle intimacy.

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in the old time , men who took vows of celibacy would hang out in monasteries and devote their lives to study
why cant we do that nowadays?

>>35621034
yes you can have a romantic relationship outside of marriage

but romantic relationships are supposed to be a prelude to marriage. If you don't get married that's a sign "something is wrong"

In the modern world the "something wrong" is government policy and the law

The idea of a "no fault" divorce is disgusting. But that's just another Reagan policy that helped ruin the world along with Mexican amnesty and deregulation of finance.

>>35620112
I get the feeling that if the guy was talking about dating and not to give up hope or some shit the third panel would still be the same.

>>35621141
We had those for years

Those used to be called "STEM majors" and "video games", but then women invaded those too

>>35621173
>STEM majors" and "video games"
not really anon,

>>35620263
This. MGTOW's actual arguments are rarely ever discussed, it's mostly just

>ARE YOU KIDDING ME
>YOU'RE A FUCKING VIRGIN

from retarded whiteknights.

>>35620963

This is a valid critiscism of my point.

>>35621022
>>35621004
>>35621031

I'll put it this way, I've been a total worthless sperg my entire existance but through sheer luck I found a girl that understood and loved me. Of course I fucked it up and it crashed and burned after a couple years, but there was no feeling like it. Maybe that's not for everyone, but my purpose in arguing is to encourage people on the fence to not give up. That doesn't mean you have to put on a cock cage, attend bi weekly feminism meetings, and sign a prenup that garnishes 95% of your wages in alimony. Whatever, you'll write this off as Chad advice but I assure you I am no Chad.

>>35620609
>you literally require no social interaction in life to feel emotional fulfillment.
why are you assuming this means also never making frtiends?

>>35621141
yeah I believe I've read that to be able to do that (that is, to not have to marry as a man (that's right)) was one of the core reasons monasteries became so big in medieval europe

but marriage was also more chill back then you mainly married because you had to take care of at least one roastie and to open and operate a trade / farm then you were allowed to have mistresses on the side, better model imho

>>35620112
Is this another one by redpill comics? i've never seen this one before.
Is he active again?

>>35620112
Not very.
Not interacting with women is a true blessing. I've never met a woman that wasn't either annoying or backstabbing (frequently they were both though).

Only hate modern women though. Traditional women are greatly soothing, but good luck finding one unless you're ChurchChad.

>>35620112
not MGTOW really but I don't want the normal life
don't want kids, don't really want to get married
I'd be with a girl, but none really want me even after I started lifting and getting into /fa/

>>35621286
>redpill
I dont understand what this means anymore,
it use to be this thing were guys say that women are evil and dont ever marry .

>>35620112
I suppose each person is different , so im sure theres guys like that out there.

>>35620609
>>35620733
You can fulfill you physical needs without buying into the system of marriage and cohabitation. It's easy if you're not a weak-willed twat.

>>35621244
because if you are exposed to interactions like friends you'll still inevitably want *something more*

>>35621394
marriage, children, etc are the inevitable outcome of a healthy, emotionally fulfilling romantic relationship

>>35621394

Physical needs pale in comparison the emotional and spiritual needs of a Man. Slavery to pleasures of the flesh are cheap and short lived. Being satieted by that alone is probably a worse fate, but I guess ignorance is bliss.

>>35620112
Not accurate at all. I'm pretty clean and happy.

>>35620901
anon I don't pretend that I don't want a woman , I do
I'm just being realistic about my prospects, does it make sense to spend a lot of time and money looking for a woman when it doesn't increase my odds all that much? the answer I found is not, just focus on doing things I like and hope for the best, if a woman comes along that would be lovely but I aint prvivy toward joining that rat race for one.

>>35621400
Im not into dudes so im pretty ok with how my relationships with my friends are.

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>>35620778
>complete and emotionally and spiritually fulfilling lives.

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>>35620112
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPihPrNseAo

the guy who made this shitty comic must be a beta cuck.

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>>35621400
>se if you are exposed to interactions like friends you'll still inevitably want *something more*

>>35621472

I understand what you're saying. My argument is find a happy medium. There is something in between MGTOW and 40 hours a week of watching PUA videos on YouTube. I don't have the answer, but I think swearing off the quest altogether is the equivalent of taking your ball and going home. You may conceive yourself as completely undesirable, but don't underestimate the breadth of humans you personalities and attractions. Even women's.

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>>35620609
i have my male friends and my brother for me who i play video games with every night.i dont need woman.it must sound groundbreaking to you but i dont let my small brain take over my big brain.

>>35621619
do you know what they saw about guys with many cats?

>>35620112
MGTWO cannot work unless you're queer, but then you'd have enough perspective to not get that bitter.

>>35621645
i can only feel sorry for you because you are not capable of seeing through the hypnosis of the female body.

>>35621420
>>35621462
Marriage is a shitty legal contract that favors women.
"Emotional needs" is another term for emotional dependance. Real healthy minded people are at peace with themselves and don't need someone else's validation to be happy.
Then again, I'm probably talking to emotionally dependant white knights so nvm.

>>35621545
>>35621491


Not from your male friends obviously

when you establish a friendship you get a certain level of emotional fulfillment, but you also eventually grow to desire an even more intimate, usually with the opposite sex

This is something previous generations worked out in childhood, but since millennial are in a state of permanent arrested development, it's likely most will never get to the stage of "having friends" much less to being in a complex, intimate, emotional relationship

>>35621619
>I'm just going to be alone forever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yuw1W_AN1zk

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>>35621738
why do you assume that being alone is automatically lonely?not everyone has your peanut sized brain you know?

>>35621735
>Marriage is a shitty legal contract that favors women.

Didn't I say the divorce laws are fucked up?

>Real healthy minded people are at peace with themselves

So healthy people are permanently all alone and don't need anyone else?

Is your favorite author Ayn Rand by any chance? Normal humans are social creatures and do actually need things like emotional support. Only the truly exceptionally "gifted" (some would say autistic) people act otherwise.

Even Tesla needed his pigeon.

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>>35620144
it obviously takes him 38sec to say all the shit in that frame.

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>>35621813
>your peanut sized brain

Actually mammals have some of the most advanced brains and require proper socialization to be functional

>>35621816
>So healthy people are permanently all alone and don't need anyone else?

Never said that. Healthy people are the ones who can function normally and not go bonkers even in the absence of social validation and intimacy.

>>35622036
>not go bonkers

Or you could use a self destructive coping mechanism to distract yourself, which is what most people do, usually drugs, drinking, overeating, etc

Then you've just shifted your health problems from emotional ones to physical ones.

>>35621944
I haven't had a friend in 10 years, and am happy.

>>35622171
>Explicitly said function normally.
What part of a substance addiction is to function normally?
Hope you have fun going though life with an emotional void that always needs filling and is a ticking time bomb 'till your insanity.

>>35622259

No you're not. Or you're broken and lucky.

Is that Mr Molymeme? I didn't know he was MGTOW.

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>>35621943
All the shit he said in the frame has appeared by the time it is 8:31 in the video, though.

>>35621693
no anon im asking you a question
i saw that said in harvey birdman and i still dont get it

>>35620733
Could you explain the difference between the cultural and societal forces in your argument?

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>the 50% marriage statistic is misleading
>it takes into account all marriages across all races, income levels, levels of education, religion and number of children
>the chances of a successful marriage between a suburban educated white religious couple can be as high as 90%. Of course the swathes of inner city youth marrying young can bring it down.
>on top of this, the divorce rate is rapidly decresing
>its projected that of all marriages 2000 onwards, only a third of those will end in divorce
>alimony payments are much rarer than the tabloids will have you believe
>only 10% of all divorces involve spousal support
>alimony is only paid if a specific set of circumstances are met (large gap in incomes, health, disabilities etc)
>alimony is viewed by the courts as a form of welfare, and is only to help the spouse get back on their feet after being out of the workforce. Permanent alimony is exceedingly rare.
>the benefits of marriage far outway any downsides or risks
>even though millenials are programmed to believe that finances, freedom, and hedonism are the highest ideals in life, it is not existentially fulfilling
>married people are happier and live longer

No more excuses. Stop "hooking up". Stop watching porn. Stop playing videogames. Go to church. Meet a nice woman there. And get married.

>>35620148
You're acting like that is a bad thing. You must be the immature one.

>>35620778
Actually there is a great point about MGTOW being superficial. The same talking points getting repeated over and over again tends to assume people are less individual and more stereotypical. That in itself is very superficial and when you judge everybody in that way.

>>35621316
t. never been to church
holy shit I wish you fucking idiots would stop repeating this stupid meme about going to church to find a traditional girl. You think all these statistics about girls you go on about being shitty are all atheists like yourself or something? Dumbfucks.

>>35622284
>an emotional void that always needs filling

as opposed to a desolate, lifeless husk devoid of all emotion?

That's the alternative.

>>35622259


If you are emotionally broken enough you will end up feeling better alone than with other people

but you are still broken

>>35622459
>Going to church
>Getting married
>Hoping the harpie won't abuse the court system full of white knight cucks

Even long-term cohabitation can be grounds for alimony (or something like it). Do you get your info from tradcon central? You seem blue-pulled as fuck.

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>>35622772
>He never went to a traditionalist catholic church or orthodox church
>Protestant thinks he's actually Christian

>>35622459
OR, you know, have some fucking self determination instead letting yourself be pigeonholed into bullshit just to fulfill society's expectations of you.

"Drop what you're doing and committ all your free time to some nagging hole and the screaming whelps she squeezed out because some statistics say it might make you happier if it happens to not screw you over instead!" Yeah, no thanks, fuck off with your condescending bullshit.

>>35622807
Still get to enjoy the little things. A good conversation, an entertaining game, an enjoyable nap after lunch, and no bad side to this.
I'll take the husk over the void any day.

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>>35622343
then by your own logic the 38s have passed in the final frame not the preceding frame

>>35623065
seems bleak and shallow

but hey, hermits have always existed

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>>35622951
>stop conforming to society, MAAAAAAAN

>>35620221
there isn't anyone with no dating prospects. it encourages feminine manbabys like you to be lazy and hate women.

>>35620263
Every society since forever has considered getting a woman to be part of manhood. It's biology bro.

>>35620683
That's because there is no MGTOW argument. It's literally "men" throwing a tantrum because one girl rejected them.

>>35622864

>I'm the blupilled one
>for not swallowing all the anti-marriage, pro-hedonist bullshit that the media pushes

Pretty much everyone in this generation follows the exact same cult of hedonism you do. That doesn't make you smarter than previous generations. It is just a sign of how easily swayed you are.

We've already established that the marriage and alimony statistics that the anti-marriage lobby pushes are exaggerated bullshit.

>>35622951

Again, so many people in this generation think they are "self-determined" by shirking marriage, sleeping around, and wasting their lives on porn and videogames.
You've been brainwashed.

Turn on the tv and look at the messages that they show you. When was the last time you saw a tv or movie marriage that wasn't disfunctional? When was the last time you saw a piece of media that promoted long term lasting relationships over quick flings? The media is incredibly anti-marriage.

And you think that you came to your conclusions through independant thinking and introspection?
What a joke.

I just want to be the one voice in peoples lives telling them not to go along with this modernist nihilistic pholosophy.

>>35623296
>>35623315
>>35623340
White knight tradcons gtfo my board

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>>35620112
well sadly it's true.

most of the mgtow followers are just men with lack of testoterone that didn't have a father role when growning up.

I'm not saying all the mgtow followers are like that but it is a fact that the vast majority are that way.

>>35623400
You're really condescending. You're acting like people that reject short term flings are the same as people that go around being hedonists.

How long have you been married for?

>>35621010
how was the doctor not so fucking depressed the entire time of depriving a baby monkey of love. where did he get the idea to deprive baby monkies of love to figure this things out

>>35623400
Yeah no. The refusal to marry could never be the result of a cost benefit analysis by rational men, it's obvious for everyone with half a brain that they're just being mind controlled by the reptilian media into destroying the world through mindless sex, even if it comes from a monogamous relationship.
Wake up sheeple!

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>>35620112
>How accurate is this guys?

Not quite, but I fixed it.

>>35620112
If that guy was an avid SJW and tired to meet a woman - he still would end the day like in the third panel.

I don't really know much about all that MGTOW stuff, but there is a certain kind of freedom and relief in accepting the truth that you will be unloved forever and might as well quit.

>>35620112
The small apartment he lives in after losing his house in the divorce and getting the redpill the hard way? Yeah pretty accurate.

>>35620112
>lol look at the poor ugly virgin he could never get a girl
>lol look at the poor ugly mgtow he could never get a girl
if i lose either way at least i lose on my own principles

>>35623486

For many years, I believed that spending my time playing video games, watching porn, and wasting my life short term pleasure was a rational thing to do.
But if you stop and think about it even for a moment, you can see why this generation is wrong about all that.

Society was better back when marriage was the center of existance. Everyone was happier and the world made more sense.

We, as millenials, have been taught to be critical of everything. To never leave our comfort zones and to shrink away from life. And look what has happened. Depression and mental illness are skyrocketing. Birthrates are down. Western civilisation is being supplanted by more pro-family cultures from the middle east and africa.

All because we decided that individualism and short term pleasure was the better use of our time.

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>>35620112
>>35620263
>>35621217
>>35620778
>>35621141
>>35623446
>>35623663
>>35623756
>>won't bother to reply to every single post actualy fuck it

What's that expression? A picture is worth a thousand words?


Pic related.

>MGTOW
>their own way

That "way" revolves around monitoring and reacting to women and feminists.

regular men actually spend less time thinking about women and living their lives based on them.

>>35623797
Do you feel like you're contributing to something greater by doing this? Something that will leave its mark in the long run? Cause that's were you're wrong kiddo.
You will die. Everyone you know will die. Everyone whose life your choices eventually impact will die.
Humanity will end, one way or the other. The universe has an expiration date called heat death.
When it does your "contribution" will have meant nothing, your greater purpose? A sham.
I say enjoy life in a way that makes you happy. Want to marry? Go for it. Want to stay single and get a different girl for every night? That's fine too.
People thinking in grand schemes often forget the grandest scheme.

>>35623797
yeah when everyone lived in the suburbs being spied on 24/7 by neighbours having to indulge in conspicuous consumption / mowing the lawn on time with their own gossip queen / stasi agent in the home everything was so much better

>>35620609
Every time I see women in public I just get angry. It's my way of closing myself off from women.
If I don't I sometimes fall for their tricks.

>>35624139
only truth in this entire thread

>>35621010
that monkey didn't have the internet to cheer him up.

>>35623876

That's the amusing thing about MGTOW. It's largely a silent movement. Every man who swears off marriage or stays NEET is a MGTOW in all but name. They may not take up the banner but they do implicitly embrace the movement.

And marriage rates are dropping along with fewer men moving out.

>>35623797
You're ignorant. Closed yourself off from the world to play video games and you think there is some idyllic leave it to beaver family life waiting out there for you.
You're not even married, you're just projecting your issues of fantasy life you wanted to have.

I don't understand this misrepresentation of mgtow as incels. It's the exact fucking opposite. I see a few weirdos who are voluntarily celibate, but most of them are into game and pua stuff. MGTOW is about using women, reversing the usual equation of the sexual marketplace's dynamics. MRA are the whiny betas who want to get attention and validation in return for bitching like a feminist about social inequity between the sexes.

I guess it doesn't affect me much. My dick is still happy, no mater how many comics say that guys who are not berry nice to women have sad lonely dicks.I think much of the hate comes from women realizing they are such stupid simple creatures that any jackass can write a book on how to reduce them to a powerless, horny, and desperately lovesick mess. They want to believe they are drawn to natural alphas, but the fact is there are no natural alphas, just alphas. I briefly looked at the books too, it's not even that groundbreaking. Be attractive, have lots of money, don't do beta shit. Sounds straightforward enough to be observations than a cookbook on how to rape the female psyche into becoming brainwashed. That shitskin roosh still gets death threats for saying these things though.

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>mgtow
>any single mother I want, ever

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>>35623876

That's a fat man in drag, not related to mgtow in the slightest. His sign talks about feminism for fuck's sake.

Their own way revolves around themselves, I thought this would be fairly explanatory. I don't even think about women until they fuck up my order at the drive through or take too long bagging my groceries.

Since by your own admission words are a too much for you I included a picture. This one is worth three words, so it's a lot more concise than one thousand.

>>35623876
>That "way" revolves around monitoring and reacting to women and feminists.
So? It's my way, I do wathever the fuck I want

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>>35621010
I want to torture that monkey.

>>35620808
/Fa/ and /fit/ are the beautiful ones.
They're groom for nothing.

>>35620112
Not true at all, at least not for me.

It's just further reinforcement of what MGTOWs have been saying all along. For daring to make the decision to not chase vagina, other males will relentlessly mock them and assume their lives are empty because they are still vagina slaves

My life got significantly better since I cut out women. I realised that I never actually wanted a woman, they FUCKING suck, all I wanted was that social approval of 'oh he can get a gf'

I'm free of that now, and I am so much more relaxed. I spend way more time on myself, lifting, playing my guitar, reading, playing vidya , whatever, now that I don't try to be a social butterfly in the hopes that some entitled cunt approves me jumping through her enough to open her legs for some average at best sex or a post wall roastie who wants to 'settle down'

>>35624798
>crushing 4 and 5/10s
why bother honestly

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>>35622828
What the fuck would that even matter then?

>>35623876
>>35623400
>>35623797
>You can't quit, you were fired brahhhhhh xDxdXd!!!1

That's nice, still not going into work anymore.

>>35621010
Those are studies done on baby monkeys tho
Babies are entirely dependent on others and no affection means death to them
You can't equate that with any sorth of adult psychological need

>>35620112
I feel like both MGTOW and PUA are about the worst possible females. Like PUAs have success not because their retarded techniques work on all females, but because they work very well on a subset of females who are fucking pieces of shit. Same goes for MGTOW, they always talk like literally every single woman is a whore, when it's clearly not the case, it's just that most men and women are shit, and it's easy to go from most women are shit to all women are shit.

>>35620112
Is that Howard Dare?
kek, most likely this is quite accurate.

MGTOW is the sexual equivalent of "You can't fire me, I quit"

>>35623797

Millennial are taught to believe in hard work and an objective truth. We see through the bullshit of the boomers and decide we don't want any of that. Virtue is more important than being some degenerate piece of shit who openly supports homosexuals, women's rights, and criminals(as long as they are nonwhite).

Millenials are all about delayed pleasure and all things good. Rather than feed the beast many have decided that they will drop out for a while and allow the corruption to starve to death, despite the fact it may hurt them in the short term. We suffer for the greater good. Instead of wallowing in self-pity or making ourselves out to be saints, we focus on the mission at hand and dedicate our time to studying and writing in the arts, sciences, and philosophies. Once evil is reduced to a manageable level we intend to return as the rightful leaders. It would be impossible to do any worse than the godless generations that came before us. Have you seen how these freaks are raising their kids today? They are doubling down on the lies that got us in this mess to begin with. I'll have no part of that, even if there is no objective good my conscience won't allow it. Google trunk or treating if you really want to see signs of the times.

>>35625853
>it's easy to go from most women are shit to all women are shit.

It's just easy to do this for any group you're not a part of. The men in question would never say all men are shit because they have a counterexample, themselves. Having no stake in womanhood, though, they're much more comfortable dismissing women as a whole out of hand.

>>35626051
I would say that many of them don't even have a counter-example, just cognitive dissonance. Like they are shit, but of course they don't want to think that, so they fool themselves into thinking that they are not shit. And since they now think they are not shit, they suddenly have a counter-example of a non-shit man.

>>35626122
>>35626051
>arguing semantics of all vs most
>while using "they"
Hold your horses, omitting the "most" when referring to a group is common as you two just did it.

I am a man that thinks men are shit, which really doesn't matter to me since i'm not trying to fuck them. /r9k/ often shits on them too, such as chads, PUAs, and other boards. Omitting the "most" doesn't automatically mean all 100% of a group, in the case of MGTOW I think it is as >>35621472 said, they are referring to their prospects aka all the dateable women around them. Yes it's still generalization but not about the entire demographic that is "women"

>>35621010
>the most important sort of social interaction is being intimate with someone you really care about (romantic partner)

I would agree with this but not on the "romance is just sex" definition, the important thing here is a strong emotional connection from both sides.

>>35625853
>implying they know any other types of females than the ones you say are pieces of shit
the ones that are not have even higher standards, if they can't even convince a person you think is a piece of shit then what makes you think an even more condescending female is going to be interested in anything short of an uber chad thunderwallet?

>>35625952
lol

>>35620112
It is accurate, but the thing is he is better off like that. If he tried to get a gf he would be wasting his time and money for nothing and be even worse off.

>>35625620
Just shamelessly stealing my post ( >>35625952 ) which itself was mocking that argument.

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>>35626473
reversed but still a faggot.

>>35624843
>>35624648

Check out the MGTOW website and other online communities.

It's all about women this females that. It has next to nothing to do about male self-improvement.

>>35626509
To be fair, its in the name "own way" it was never supposed to be a community or movement, but original intentions are always lost when something becomes more popular, the media (very little attention) it got kept labeling it as a movement, so the folks that become MGTOW under the guise that its a movement form online communities for their "movement"

TLDR: they are doing it wrong so expect them to continue doing it wrong

>>35626509

Of course it's largely about women. Women are the primary motivation for men doing anything, why wouldn't it be largely about women?

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I could really use a hug right now.

>>35626509

There are American websites and communities that are all about allah and not eating pork. That has nothing to do with freedom and being superior to other nations, but it still exists. You're cherry picking. MGTOW has everything to do with male self-improvement.

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>>35623596

>vaginal jew

>MGTOW jew

so basically every competent force, and every competent reactionary force, is led by jews

why do other races even try?

>>35620221
>it encourages people with no dating prospects to not dwell on it and do what they love anyway

lmao

No it fucking doesn't. I'm not mgtow because I would jump at the chance of pussy, but I have digested a lot of mgtow content over the past couple of months, and I can tell you that it doesn't do a thing to actually help anyone out.
The one merit of mgtow is it tells men not to marry, but aside from that mgtow is really fucking useless.

Personally, I watch mgtow because it makes me feel better about girls not liking me. I couldn't tell you if they are right or wrong, something like that would be hard to prove anyway, but I like most of the things they say.

>>35626866

I'm not MGTOW either but MGTOW helps men insofar as it redpills them, e.g., it allows them to know the reality they're living in, and not the constructed reality of platitudes and gynocentric culture

Same guys that are saying they don't need women are jerking their dicks to porn of women.

Stop your bellyaching and actually talk to one without the retarded condescending attitude.

>>35620849
Yep. We're well on our way to total societal collapse. All of our activities are solitary, and women don't about reproduction. Our end was for told in the 60s by rats.

>>35620112
Lol

Now if you'll excuse me, Im going to fall asleep whilst meditating on Messenger Rising's monk videos.

>>35620263
You do realize this ideology is sour grapes incarnate right? I belly laugh everytime I see a faggot who's MSTOW complaining about degeneracy and hypergamy but you KNOW they would zealously partake if they were a Chad. (MSTOW is Men Sent Their Own Way, btw).

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>>35627020

>same guys who say they don't want to do heroin anymore are still doing a little heroin

>stop complaining and just go back to doing heroin again, it's good for you

>male is a genetically inferior loser who is uneducated/poor/boring and never would have found a female partner anyway
>subscribes to MGTOW under the guide of "aha I'm above it, I could get a girl but I choose not to ha .. ha ha.."

Go watch a MGTOW video and try to put up with the boring, monotonous and lifeless autistic YouTuber do his voice over and then go through the display pics of the guys in the comments that don't have an anime cat or some shit

Just because you weren't good enough to join the high school soccer team doesn't mean everyone knows you wouldn't have jumped for it if you could have gotten in

If you put a good woman in front of these MGTOW guys they'd jump for it but are just too lazy

Also
>(((MGTOW)))

>>35627149
this right here lad
>>35627116

>>35626989
Your way of thinking is similar to mine so I'm going to commend your intelligence because I know I'm right but don't let this go to your head because I may just enjoy having my opinions reaffirmed when in reality my opinion is totally wrong

I would have spoilered this if I could

>>35627116

>poor people complain about rich people but you know if they were rich they'd be eating lobster and smoking big cigars

yeah nigger it's human nature to be indulgent and corrupt, but as a consequence of not being a chad, they're motivated to examine whether or not chadism is worthwhile

and it turns out in many ways it's not worthwhile to be a chad, and the chad/beta split is bad for most men

whining about feminism and hookup culture is coming from people that aren't getting laid and aren't getting women's attentions - so out of bitterness and sour grapes they claim it's gross, unethical, and even destructive for society, when you know they would participate without a second thought if they were afforded the opportunity

same with whining about capitalism - people without human capital nor money whining about the evils of capitalism

Not saying there aren't any valid points, in fact a lot is true, but seriously- you whining about feminism and how evil women are wouldn't be saying a damn thing if sluts actually wanted your dick; same with the 25 year old english lit majors from a state TTT and no human capital on reddit /r/latestagecapitalism and /r/sandersforpresident

Funny how when people are born with, or have something, it's out of virtue and is just and the have-nots are just entitled rabble - and when one is lacking there needs to be some kind of redistribution (of capital (in the form of social welfare programs), of sex (in the form of monogamy and marriage)

HOOKUP CULTURE IS DEGENERATE AND IS DESTROYING SOCIETY!!! - 4chan/reddit loser with no social value who would leap at the chance to score if he was able to

>>35627286
>4chan/reddit loser

And what does that make you?

>>35626866

I'm MGTOW but I have dating prospects so this may be why we get differing mileage. I have a gf and she can be nice sometimes. She can also be a huge fucking psycho bitch. It sounds like stupidly obvious advice but before I started reading up on the material I desired having a wife one day. My success with women has actually been improved quite a bit by this mgtow stuff. It doesn't make sense but women are more attracted to mgtow behavior. It must be a want what they can't have situation. Girls used to walk all over me because I allowed it. One girlfriend was such a bitch she couldn't spare a few minutes to pick me up when my car died, despite the fact I had taken a lot more expensive and time consuming things on for her sake. Now that I know how to handle bitches I can make nearly any request and have it fulfilled. There's still some give and take but at least the scales are tipped in my favor. Without a marriage license things will remain that way too.

MGTOW is about being selfish. Men are raised to be kind and self-sacrificing. It's bullshit because the world should serve me, not the other way around.

>>35627286

I don't know why you're pointing out "men would fuck women if they had access to them" like it's some kind of revelation people don't already implicitly understand

the argument of MGTOW is that the system is corrupt and bad for men, not that chads should hate life or themselves

>>35627375
>I'm MGTOW
>I have a gf

w e w

>>35627387
That's why I said that people want some kind of redistribution when they're inferior (in the form of monogamy and marriage). The system is corrupt ie biology? that just sounds like mental gymnastics to me

>>35627425
forgot to add

>the world should serve me, not the other way around.

W E W

Are you false flagging?

>>35627149
>implying being poor or uneducated is a genetic factor
Stopped reading there

You're a real edgy teenager. Bet you don't even have a basic education diploma.

>>35627430

of course biology is corrupt? the fuck

who doesn't fight against the corruptions of their own biology? do you think it's a good thing that you get depressed, or that you don't know how to summon the will power to achieve what you want? is it beneficial that you get anxious when you have to talk in front of a crowd and it weakens your content and delivery?

is getting cancer good? is cancer your friend and something to be embraced because it's a biological process?

>>35627493
Well I mean it undeniably is on some level

If you're more intelligent you're much more likely to succeed, no?

>>35620263
It's like telling everyone that you're vegan: it's annoying to act like abstaining from something is worthy of note or praise. Hell, I'm sure being a vegan would come up more often than these MGTOW having to reject women or explain why they are not in a relationship.

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>>35627020

The fact these guys are jerking off to porn is pretty good proof of not needing women. Women must not be very important if porn is superior to them.

3dpd is gross though. I thought only normies watch porn. I exclusively like cute 2ds.

>>35627116

This is called projecting. You know you would zealously partake in degeneracy and hypergamy, so you instead accuse othersof this.

MGTOW is against degeneracy and hypergamy. It's not hard to find examples where they turned someone down for being too gross. You could learn from them. Having standards is a good thing. You aren't obligated to have sex with a woman every time she asks. You'd have to be very cucked to think otherwise.

>>35620112
But a lot of guys aren't mgtow and still live like the pic

I don't think it really matters whether or not you are mgtow since it's just another rationalization for not having a girlfriend

that's like saying I could easily get a Porsche if I wanted one, but I just chose not to because I don't want a Porsche

>>35620221
I agree but isn't it a bit cringeworthy to create an entire "movement" based on getting on with your life. They're basically the equivalent of male spinsters

>>35625952
Poor analogy. What is happening is men are going to work even though they are not getting paid and MGTOW is telling them to stop being taken advantage of.

I would agree MGTOW is a reddit circlejerk, that said there is a basic truth to it all. N*rmy society is not good, they don't give a shit about you, most of what they tell you is moral and good is just to manipulate you while n*rmies themselves are often low key evil and do what they can to harm you like his guy >>35624159 . We have many flaws, and I accept that, but so do normies, the fact Chad diddled a kid is never used as an excuse to socially exclude him while people still gossip about that time you cried because Stacy rejected you as though you are some massive creep for having human emotions. MGTOW's only mistake is telling them to give up when in reality they need to take a different approach to dealing with The N*rmy.

>>35627425
>>35627461

What makes this sound like a false flag? Selfishness isn't a bad thing.

I'm going my own way. If I decide that means having a girl suck my dick now and then so be it. If I decide I would rather be happy than sad, it can't be helped. It's a big world out there, it will get by just fine whether I serve it or not. I'm better than the overwhelming majority of people. I can't think of a better reason for feeling the world should serve me.

>>35627648
Never said I had low standards. Chads generally attract the creme de la creme, no? Besides, I don't think I could maintain an erection with an ugly girl.

>>35627544
I think MGTOW should go after the enablers. The whiteknights who will defend a woman they don't know to the death. They're the ones who have allowed shit like this to become common

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3502619/Struggling-single-mother-charges-men-hundreds-dollars-dates-scores-2-MILLION-paycheck-one-wealthy-suitor-fund-new-company.html

(of course the kid is half black too, lol). What I meant is that controlling biology is near impossible. Most people will become desperate and settle with a whale.

>>35627545
No. Life isn't fair. You can do everything right and still lose. You only hear about how intelligent someone was for making it, there are millions and millions of failures for every successful person. That's a fact. Intelligence isn't a rare factor, being rewarded for it is. In fact the smarter you are the most of a threat people will see you as and act against you since competition is bad for them.

>>35627649

You could easily get a Porsche if you wanted one though. The only reason for you not having one is because you chose against it for some reason. I've seen them for under $20(twenty)k more than a few times. Having or not having a girlfriend doesn't have anything to do with mgtow.


>>35627706

It's more a phenomena than a movement. They're basically the equivalent of men who don't act the way they were told.

ITT: fake dumb shit that's all inside of a 4chan vacuum that's never ever uttered IRL ever, all backed up by fake beliefs and trolling

like in OP's pic, no one actually thinks MGTOW's have zero friends, because they don't have zero friends, that's not what it's about.
in fact, it's not about anything, it's just about living your own life and NEVER becoming thirsty.

MGTOW = non-thirsty man. he's content whether or not he achieves sexually, that's it.
getting upset about this is so retarded, unless you're simply just jealous that men aren't making you the center of their world anymore.

>>35627862
>They're basically the equivalent of men who don't act the way they were told.
in japan the equivalent are called herbivore men.

>>35627564
>It's like telling everyone that you're vegan

No it's not. No one in their right mind would tell anyone irl that they are mgtow. Also, for the most part, you don't even see them brigading online either.

>it's annoying to act like abstaining from something is worthy of note or praise.

Well it is your opinion, so I can't falsify your claim.
I don't say mgtow is praise worthy but I certainly say it is noteworthy, considering getting married and getting in a relationship is and has been a societal custom for a very long time, and mgtow abstain from that.

>>35627825

He's right. Wealth and education are very closely tied with genetic factors. All else being equal, intelligence will be the key factor that brings success. More intelligent is always more successful.

A retard can do everything right, and an intelligent man can do everything right. Guess which one will have the better results.

>>35627910
Assmad MGTOW cuck detected

>>35627966
someone feels threatened.

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>>35620148
haha! almost as pathetic as wanting friends or employment!

MGTOW is a response to women rising standards, Average and below average men do not stand a chance when average women can bang almost anyone. Its perfectly normal for men to reject women when they do the same.

I used to reject women because they rejected me. But after my delayed puberty kicked in and got braces they started coming to me.

I'm still insecure though, I go for hour long walks counting how many long stares, whistles and cat calls I get from women driving or walking by. The hedonic treadmill is real.

>>35627955
See what you're doing is misrepresenting facts.
The only genetic factor in those things is nepotism.
Nepotism benefits someone of mediocre intelligence to be more highly coddled and drug along and bettered. The poor do not have the luxury, yet you act like it's an inherited trait. In fact just looking at the amount of rich people 1%, and the amount of poor people 99% will prove money and intelligence are not linked factors. Being smart is not so rare as to be 1% of the population. There are diminishing returns to being smart also so it's not as if someone with an IQ of 120 is going to do much better than someone with an IQ of 90.

Depends. In the case of women, i know a girl who was tired of being lied to by men that she decided to devote her life to a career. Because to summarize her words, She doesn't have to worry about it lying to her and it will follow her to her grave. I'm not joking.

>>35628253

I see the problem now, you aren't familiar with what you're talking about.

Nepotism isn't a genetic factor. A tendency to engage in nepotism maybe. There are IQ scores that are far rarer than 1%. 1% is a huge fucking number when you're talking about people. Smart also has the exact opposite of diminishing returns. Someone with an IQ of 1.3 standard deviations above the mean is going to be way better off than someone -.66SD. Many time better off in fact. This is a difference of 30 IQ, we're comparing burger flippers and physicians here. That is a huge huge huge fucking difference.

You should read up on what IQ is if you ever get a chance.

>>35628317

I don't think the comic is about women or careers.

>>35628502
Sorry. It just got me thinking of feminism.

>>35628459
>Nepotism isn't a genetic factor.
Alright I just stopped reading there.

You know I get not everyone is set up to win, but when it comes to these factors nepotism does play a huge role in it. If you think there is no link between genetics and nepotism you don't understand the definition of nepotism and I'm just wasting my breath going into this too much.

I wouldn't have kids if they didn't have it as good as me or better, that's nepotism. I don't want my kids to fail and be cunts. Even if I just want to give them tools to succeed on their own, it's still nepotism to some extent since most parents don't do that they just throw their kids into public education and don't give a shit how they really develop.

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>>35620112
MGTOW is so embarassing
how can any self respecing man be a part of that """movement"""

>>35623296
>there isn't anyone with no dating prospects
this entire board would like to have a word with you

The OP's image is just a ridiculous projection.

Firstly, if the OP had anything valuable to do, why would he even bother drawing a comic on MGTOW?

Most of the good, truly red-pilled MGTOW content I see recognises male vulnerability, and male isolation and desire for love. This is actually the core of MGTOW, recognising that men can and often do experience the isolation depicted in the third frame. But MGTOW is about sharing ideas on how to be as happy and as functional as possible outside of gynocentric value systems.

For most truly red-pilled MGTOW men, the alternative to loneliness is much, much worse.

Personally I'm 32KHV and I'm quite happy with being alone now, even though in the past I genuinely used to cry myself to sleep, red pill content and MGTOW and even r9k actually helped me to find happiness in my own life.

I don't think MGTOW's necessarily deny that the idea would be two functioning adults in a loving relationship, either... but I live in a country where the government hands out flyers practically begging women to report husbands for 'abusive behaviour', and I've worked in the law courts and seen the misandry and feminist ideology that holds complete sway there. Most men are oblivious to this reality, but I'm not, and I'm not going to lie to other men.

>>35629242
>r9k actually helped me to find happiness in my own life.

bull shit

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>disowning the opposite gender for their bullshittery
>refusing faggotry
>being alone
Simple math, now imagine how shitty women have to be for a guy to choose that life over them and you begin to see the problem

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>>35626865
hmmm, I hadn't thought of it that way
where can I sign my instrument of surrender

>>35628694
>Men going 'their own way'
>Going the exact way some dudes on the internet are telling them to.

lol every time.

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>>35626865
Jew jew cuck jew shill aliums drumpf shillary jew putin cuck cold war jew mudslime obama key word triggered

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>>35630031

That's not how it works. MGTOW is just a label for certain content. Nobody is being 'told' to act a certain way.

>>35622772
All the girls in my church are 60+ or just the usual stock being dragged along by their parents. There are a few that might be okay, but they are all taken. I'd recommend going to church, but go for the right reasons.

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>>35627149
>worship women
>thinks not playing soccer is an insult
>you're all just a bunch of anime watching faggots, I am AlphaChad!
hmmm

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Men_Going_Their_Own_Way

>>35627739
>there's no merit in not wanting to play a game you abhor
>just become a sociopath
your argument may be correct but I have little to no ability or taste for such competition.

>>35630067
did you make that yourself?

asdfasdf adsfhg

>>35630268
>rationalwiki
>posting this piece of shit sjw bullcrap on this board

who do you think you're fooling, faggot?

>>35630337
>le spoopy essj00z boogeyman
It's like you're all reading from the same script.
LOL :^)

>>35630422
> essj00z

what the fuck are you even saying? Go back to rreddit. Browsing 4chan doesn't make you cool, alternative, or edgy. Fuckoff please.

>>35630456
If you need a safe space, there's wizchan.org

>>35620112
Somewhat. Consider the mindset needed to say no to all women, to ask people to actively reject women. When you look at your audience and your advice is most don'ts and avoids it comes from somthing a lot emptier. It's how religions get stared.

>leaving a game you were never playing
no1curr

>>35630276
Whatever your abilities or tastes you are better off with a more realistic view of society.

>>35631163
I have two eyes wide open.

I am the scum that normies use to feel better about their lives.
I am the outcast that defines their membership in the ingroup.
I am the cautionary tale.

I don't have to be a jester, I'd rather be a recluse.