CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP

Hahahahaha that's what he gets for being a soft boy and using emojis hahahahabahahahahahaab

>>35515813
That's pretty fucked, OP.
I'm sorry that you need to deal with this shit. Those were 100% legitimate questions.

>emoji in a business email
>asking for compensation information before a verbal offer
>Apologizing for asking a question

I would not hire you either.

>>35515862

Thankfully I am not the person who had this convo.

Gotta love wagie logic

>NEETs take less than $1 from your paycheck
>Provide you endless hours of online entertainment
>Horrible burden and leach to society

>Bossman takes tons of your surplus work
>Does nothing for you
>Job creator and pillar of the community

>>35515813
Fucking startups with these asshole managers who aren't straight up are doomed to fail. Wtf, just say that the commpany is short on cash and that working in this company you will be underpaid.

>>35515813
>applying to a start-up
>expecting anything more than minimum wage
start-ups are based on slave labor
they won't even give you equity unless you're extremely important

>>35515872
This, you seem like a colossal pussy.

LOL wagies are so fucking petty

>you HAVE to pretend to enjoy slavery as if it's your life's passion or else we wont even consider hiring you!!!

D-d-do you o-ofer p-pay at you business? I'm s-so-sorry it's fine if if if if if you d-dont sorry f-for asking.

>>35515813
Exactly what >>35515872 said. I'm sorry man, but anyone defending you is a fucking loser, no questions asked. As someone in a managerial position I wouldn't have even given you the respect of a reply.

>>35516037
can't get over that hurdle
it's why I'm still neet

I just can't lie to people
>Why do I want this job? Well, because cleaning up other peoples shit is my PASSION!

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when are we we fixing this

>>35516153
You should instead be honest and tell them one day not living off of mommy and daddy is your passion.

I fucking hate this retarded culture that's developed in workplaces where you have to pretend you love your job and would gladly spend every day there even if you weren't paid for it.

Fuck all people actually want to be at work, let alone actually enjoy it or feel any sort of passion for it.

People need money to fucking live.

Why the fuck i it suddenly not okay to be any less than 100% enthusiastic about your tedious job?

>>35516201
Normies' lives are made out of lies. They're too pussy to admit to the horrors they created

>>35516181
it's more of a formality here
it's just saying 'I want this job and I'm willing to say the bullshit I'm supposed to say to get it'

I long ago stopped trying to battle the injustices in the world. I just accepted them as part of life like everyone else, despite my disagreement.

This is why you shouldn't apply to/work for a startup unless it's your own, or something you're very passionate about.

>>35516201
>Why the fuck i it suddenly not okay to be any less than 100% enthusiastic about your tedious job?
No one expects you to be ecstatic about working at retail position. What no one wants to deal with is someone who's dragging his feet and just bitches and moans. No one working at walmart gives a shit about their job and the management doesn't really expect them to.

>>35515936
>Provide you endless hours of online entertainment
MS paint comics about how you're somehow living the life of Bruce Wayne on ~1k/month is hardly "endless hours of entertainment".

>>35515813
go to work wagie!

>>35516425
Actually management does expect us to love it. It's pretty fucking sad how into it they get.

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>>35516425
>No one expects you to be ecstatic about working at retail position

>>35515813
It's a fucking startup you braindead moron. They are notorious for not being able to pay their employees well. Why the fuck are you even mentioning benefits to a fucking startup?

Working for a startup means you put in a crapload of work/hours for pennies a day, and hopefully if your work is impressive enough you'll get moved to a higher executive position or get equity once the company starts getting traction.

The only reason you work for a startup is to build experience. If you aren't moving up in the company or aren't getting a raise (assuming the company starts getting traction), then you quit, take the experience and move to a bigger company.

>>35516153
Then maybe get a job that you'll actually mildly enjoy and that passion they're looking for will come out naturally.

Why are neets so fucking retarded when it comes to looking for work?

>startup
Why the fuck would anyone want to work at one of those.

>>35515936
except for the fact that
>wagie makes way more money than pathetic NEET
>wagie and neet would both be starving to death if bossman didn't start a business for wagie to work at

kill yourself pinko fag

>>35516201
Swallow your fucking pride and just play their game. Once you get hired and prove to them you're competent, you'll earn their respect and thus start getting raises/promotions. That's how it works when you work for someone else.

Or you know, you could just make your own company if you're that autistic you can't play pretend for retarded normies.

>>35516644
>get a job that you'll actually mildly enjoy and that passion they're looking for will come out naturally
r u srs?

That is some verbose fucking spiel to just say "we expected you to work for free"

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>>35516499
I pity you if you've actually been forced otherwise. But I've been in that position before I found this internship I'm pretty happy with, and as long as we weren't pricks to the customers and did what we had to they mostly left us the fuck alone.

>>35516694
There's truth to it. If I didnt care for my major I'd have entered the trades most likely. I really don't get why you guys stick to these positions when an apprenticeship pays better and has more of a future than trying to argue with retarded customers.

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This shit triggers me to no end.
Business is about money, and money only. Every exec knows that, all the shareholders know that, and in those positions, talking about compensation is expected.
Yet somehow in the lower positions, you are expected to just work because of passion or the joy of doing work. Fucking Bullshit.

>>35516694
What, is it out of the question that you can't even mildly enjoy a job? Which begs the question, the fuck do you even enjoy doing on your free time?

Look dude, you can bitch and moan about how work culture sucks all you want and daydream how in a socialist you'd get paid to jerk off all day. Either you swallow your pride and play the "I love my job and I'll work for free" routine with and employer, or you seek out work that you'll naturally enjoy doing.

That's just how things are.

>>35515813
"What we're looking for
someone with:"
>8 years previous experience
>Doctorate of social communications, team leading, and hostage negotiation
>Forklift, heavy vehicle, boat, recreational pilots, and submarine license
>Must be physically fit, capable of a 45 second mile with the ability to lift objects up to 400lbs regularly
>Is available to work Monday through Sunday, 8am-11pm at a moments notice
>Enthusiasm is a must! You have to be someone that will have an orgasm just walking through the door into the store (BYO wet wipes and hand sanitizer)

>Pay: Wage
>Position: Full time
>Hourly rate: $4.30 - $6.92
>Minimum hours: 65

>>35516738
>Yet somehow in the lower positions, you are expected to just work because of passion or the joy of doing work.
You need to learn to read between the lines. Startups are dependent on underpaid labor. Only the desperate would accept those situations, and if you're trying to negotiate pay before you even have the job offer you're probably not desperate enough to accept it.

All of it goes back to money, as you earlier pointed out. It has nothing to do with the "joy of doing work".

>>35516738

yo it's a startup.

this is like a white man offering niggers an opportunity to visit an exotic new land if they just get on his boat.

hint: don't get on that boat.

>>35516747
I'm literally the opposite of a socialist.
The only reason I work is to accumulate investing capital.
Enjoying work is great but it should be very low on your priority list. Money governs everything around you. You enjoying to fill mister Shekelbergs pockets is like a slave enjoying to do labor for Massah Smith. It's self delusion.

>>35515872
>yes goy, wait for the verbal offer, where we will set the anchor point around which you'll haggle and intimidate you into the ground with our chad managerial anti-autist business rhetoric courses aka "Streamlining office logistics using using the Clearly define - discuss - teamwork (CDDTW) action plan"

>>35516798

how exactly could you possibly be intimidated before you've signed a contract?

> here is industry standard

> ok, here's what we're offering [below industry standard ]

> no thanks, I'd prefer industry standard

> no

> ok bye.

>>35516738
It's a startup you dip.

Christ. If you're looking for good compensation upfront, you need to build your portfolio/experience up and apply to well known larger companies.

Startups are desperate. They need desperate people to work because they need to save money as much as they can so they can break even and keep their investors happy. By asking for the payrate, you come off as not desperate enough to work for them.

That's why newgrads tend to get hired at startups; because they're desperate to gain experience that is required by big time employers in this day and age,

It's complete bullshit yes, but it's just the way it works. If you're someone who's looking to start working, you are expected to just bow down and lick your contractor's feet. They're the ones handing over a job to you, yet for them you are 100% replaceable and a pawn, just nothing.
You just have to deal with this bullshit until you either climb enough or start your own jig alone. It's unfair, yet unavoidable because this is how capitalism works.

>>35516832
Because if you only have one potential offer, then you might be too scared of doing something to jeopardize your prospect. Not everyone is brave like you

>>35515813
>SkipTheDishes
sounds both local and pretensions

>>35516766
I understand that, so asking for money is maybe a little naive but compensation in general? Like, I'm ok to be paid in shares if I believe in the business but if talk about compensation is off the table, I'm not interested, and no one should be - it's a scam.
A scam that seems to have become a business standard.
"What, you ask about money? Why so greedy? It's about passion you dirty psychopath!" (all the while being perfectly aware that money is EVERYTHING in business)

>>35515813
Its a fucking startup, you dense twat.

>>35516844
see this highly original post>>35516877

>>35515813
I'm with
>>35515872
You were sending nothing but red flags to them.

>>35516798
>>35516864
>being this much of a massive pussy.
If it doesn't pay enough nothing is jeopardize

>>35516790
If that's your mentality, why not employ yourself? Start your own company, be Shekelberg and get idiots to work for you. It's the definition of winning in a capitalistic society.

I agree, enjoying work shouldn't have to be a priority. But given that you'll be working a 9-5 job for the majority of your life, you might as well get a job that won't drive you insane from pretending to like it. Personally I hope to start my own engineering company once I come up with a great idea, but until then I will do mindless design work that I do mildly enjoy.

Honestly OP, I'm not going to shit on you. At least you're trying.

In the future though, never directly ask about what your wagies will be until after the interview.

>>35516877
You have to understand fair or not, the owner controls it all and does as he pleases. You might not like it, but nothing stop that. If they see you asking for money as a red flag, that's their choice, perhaps their business will suffer, perhaps it won't but it still stands as their choice in how to act, say or do. OP's biggest fuck up was asking before an offer was made. That is the idea time to find out because most won't pull away from you at that point and if they do, it's a safe bet you were better off without them.

The reason those tactics you listed at the end work is because people are huge pussies and are to embarrassed/scared to go "I ask about money because it's requirement for me to live."

>>35516907
Not everyone can afford turning down jobs, especially if they are dipping into the last of their savings

>>35516907
>>35516832

you're somehow assuming 'industry standard' (if what the dude tells you is even true) seems to be enough information

the point is, all companies in the programming sector tend to do this, so you go into the interview knowing nothing about potential compensation, and if you've done a few and already said no they probably won't take you because, I don't know, I believe saying no once doesn't display enough enthusiasm kek

so you go in there and can't compare the pay they offer, and if you say no you're out immediately

also you're underestimating the psychological factor, even normies have massive trouble asking verbally for more pay and get a case of the spaghettis, so don't think for a moment there is not some agenda behind this shit

and managers tend to be asshole chads so go figure why they do this

>>35516979
>Not everyone can afford turning down jobs
so why even ask about money before you even have the job?
Do you see how broken that logic is?
I've been in that situation and I just waited till I was made an offer because anything more than 0 was better than nothing.

>>35516967
I agree. The reason businesses can go through with this is because most people are pussies or bluepilled about money. I'm pissed at the system and the cucks that enable it.

>>35516989

yo babe

do you realise every job has its average salary available online?

good luck.

>UNIQUE that they prefer self starters

LOL this is just like every single bitch on OKC that thinks she's not like all the other girls in what she prefers in a man

>>35516897
I'm not suggesting you should work for free. A company should provide some sort of financial compensation for your work even if it is a startup.

It has become standard to discuss compensation after you get an offer. They need to deem you capable of doing work for them, you need to reassure them that you're a good investment for their company in this highly competitive job market. It's a lot like how stacy has betas and alphas pining for her hand in a relationship, she's in the position of being choosy. Once you get the job offer, compensation is an inevitable topic. At this stage, the ball is in your court, the company wants you. Now you get to see if you want them, that's when you can see what compensation they're offering. If you think it's too little, try negotiating. If they won't budge then tell them you'll be declining their offer. It's not a big deal, it's just like if stacy decided to tell you that she wants you to pay for all her food. If she isn't willing to budge you tell her to fuck off.

There was nothing wrong with your question. They should be completely transparent about wages. If not, they're crooked. Dodged a bullet if anything OP, fuck those kikes.

>>35516997

>so why even ask about money before you even have the job?

if he gets to do a verbal offer it means he's got the job if he says yes more or less if he doesn't screw up real bad

if it's only written it's more casual and you also get to get more offers (which are not pretty-sure-things) and can compare instead of going to a select few things, then having to decide then and there whether he takes it

what's so hard about that?

>apply for job
>get offer
>offer is higher than average

Thanks?

>>35516989
>so you go in there and can't compare the pay they offer, and if you say no you're out immediately
I actually did this at Macy's and they called me back a week later offering a $1 more on the hour. Not a great boost but it shows if you have the skills needed they will help.
I guess it's all this double speak going on in this thread that's confusing me, you make it sound like you are to desperate to choose but you are wanting to compare before hand? Also you are talking wage slave work which you can keep looking for work while you have a job.

>>35516989

Fyi if somebody is ever offering business advice, but then goes on to reveal they don't even know the average salary for the job they're interviewing for (i.e. this nerd) then disregard anything they have to say.

>>35516201
I legitimately love my job, you can suck a penile

>>35515813
I can't even get an interview let alone bitch about compensation to a potential employer. I would literally work minimum wage just to get that few years experience.

I fucking hate the stem meme. It over saturated the market and is overly competitive now.

>>35517034

just to be clear the person this happened to wasn't me. i just wanted to share the absurdity of it

>>35517008
>here is industry standard
>but online it says differently um um *spaghetti*
>what? do you question my work-ethic by implying I might be so uninformed to not know that vital fact to do my job?
>no no I...
>well you're not panda material I guess, since you would doubt the competency of your work partners before even working with them.

vs
>here is industry standard
>don't say anything not sure if what I remembered is wrong because fail at looking up in my special subcategory vs general one or some nonsense like that
>DO YOU TAKE IT YES OR NO

Wow what the fuck.
I'm a driver for skip. I make like $14/hr.
Didn't realize corporate were such cunts. Im not gonna bother myself with a job if I don't know how much theyre paying.

>>35517035
>if he gets to do a verbal offer
it means shit till you have the paper work. Verbal offers are fancy ways of us to look at you and see how you might act in the job, are you going to get cocky? Act stupid? Shrug off days scheduled for paper (we had this happen) and basically we get to see if we made the right choice before you sign the papers and then we are stuck with you. Verbal is only as good as one wants to think it is and not much else.

26 years old, the only business I've ever worked at hires half drug addicts, anyone with an interview gets hired. I don't even know how to interview. I've never done a real one.
Even if I had an interview for walmart I'd probably vomit on site out of nerves.

>>35515813
>Canadian web based corporation
I can tell you why it went so bad.

>>35517066
Fair enough then.

The last job I got (the one I work now on effectively a zero hours contract that only typically gets me a day a week) there wasn't really a formal interview. He just gave it to me after I'd spent ages preparing material, answers etc. Years ago when I went for a pure wagecuck position at a supermarket I fucked it up but it wasn't for me anyway. Answered my phone in the interview. No great loss really, for either me or the employer.

>>35516918
I like the security of a corporate job. If I have the accumulated enough money for the down payment, I plan on buying an appartment complex and go full capitalist pig mode. Obviously no one should do a job that makes them wanna kill themselves but beyond that joy or "fulfillment" really shouldn't be top priority because you'd be worse off for it in the long run.

>>35517085

Yeah dude, I love guys like you.

> Hey, online over 300 employers nationwide pay 65k for this position.

> Ok, well we're offering 30k.

> W-well I guess my sources are wrong hh-hehh ok I'll work for you.

Come work for me kiddo, I'll take care of you.

How's $3 an hour sound? With perks e.g. you getta suck my dick.

>>35517034
That's every business in Canada. They basically get really bitchy if you expect to be paid. People talk shit about burgerland but they at least have the right idea that money should be the first and foremost thing to discuss when dealing with a job.

>>35517170
>at least have the right idea that money should be the first and foremost thing to discuss when dealing with a job
and that's where you're wrong, kiddo
They play the same games over here. If you can delude the middle class into believing that money shouldn't be top priority and that greed is a negative personality trait, you'll have a complient workforce that is willing to work just for the heck of it.
See slave morality/master morality

>>35517167

>guys like me
>offer two scenarios none of which are to be applied to me since not so stated in the text

brain rot by "managing", not even once

>>35517213
Actually I'm in the east coast US and every job offer here expect at some point money will be ask and it's not seen as a bad thing they ask. That said their are a lot of laws about pay/pay offers and such so it's rather pointless to fight it unless you are locally owned.

>>35517238

Both scenarios are you being bullied into less pay because you're

1. retarded (didn't properly research your position prior to interview)
2. weak (despite researching your position you allowed some HR dumb cunt to bully you off your appropriate pay).

Either way, get euthanized via napalm.

>>35516751

Lazy NEETcucks actually believe this shit

>>35517262
You're severely underestimating the role that other people are playing in this game. You could be as no nonsense alpha "i know what I'm worth" tough guy as you want, if everyone around you is a weak cuck that is willing to be underpaid, you'll have to play by those rules if you want to get hired at all.
And this is exactly what is currently happening.

>>35517324
>if everyone around you is a weak cuck that is willing to be underpaid, you'll have to play by those rules if you want to get hired at all.
Or get skills that are worth getting paid for. That's what makes this all sad, you fags are talking about low skill jobs most retards can do without effort. No one is going to pay well for low brow work. You want money you need to learn skills that will make money.

>>35517324
yeah

how about we put some kant in this bitch: if everyone only oriented themselves at the industry standard and would take anything slightly above it, companies could use the massive portion of people who wouldn't haggle in the first place to drive down the industry standard further and further leading to downright absurdity

also known as capitalism only works when every party has enough information to make a reasonable decision

>>35517360
What are these skills supposed to be? Even doctorate engineers fall for this trap.
Do you honestly believe that you're such a special snowflake that you're irreplaceable? cute

>>35517166
Then at the end of the day it boils down to; just play the game with employers. Manipulate them into thinking you're a good investment, that you'll make them loads of money and won't cause problems. If they aren't properly compensating you, leave and try someone else. If you have experience, employers will be looking for you anyway.

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>>35517388
>Even doctorate engineers fall for this trap.

>>35517413
doesn't work like that in leaf land.

>>35517419
Keep crying engy faggot

>>35517388
You develop niche skills that not a lot of people are competent of developing. Perhaps have a wide variety and unique combinations of abilities that not a lot of people have. You become a potential hire for certain picky employers and thus have less competition because you aren't a generic cookie cutter employee with base qualifications.

Has less to do with being irreplaceable. Everyone is replaceable with skillsets alone. That's why persona tends to be a big thing when trying to get hired; if you're on the same frequency as the employer and get along with him, it will ultimately be better for the business.

Hence why people love to make the analogy of dating with job hunting.

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>>35517488
I think I will. All the way to the bank.

>>35517484
Apparently not because no one has hired me in the 7 months I've been applying for jobs lmao

>>35517419
well how about the fact that there is still an industry standard for engineers (around 80k starting I think) and that there are just as few outliers as in any other industry.
>Edgy faggot believes that he'll do so much better than any other kid in his college courses and can simply demand a 7 figure wage.
kek

>>35515813
>>>35516201
>Once you get hired and prove to them you're competent, you'll earn their respect and thus start getting raises/promotions.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>35517531
80k starting? For an engineer? It's more like 50k my dude. At least, that's for a fresh grad. Though you'll need to look for unpaid internships moreso to buildup your experience.

Then again what the fuck do I know, I've applied to over 200 jobs and have only gotten 3 interviews.

>>35517495
Sure, but that can only take you so far. Even in niche jobs (hence why I referred to doctorate engineers) you'll still have quite a bit of competition. And personality might give you an edge but your compensation is still only allowed to deviate so much from the industry standard.
The problem is that wages have been deflating insanely and people went along with it far to long. Normaly, at least in tech, the highest paying companies with the most specific positions pay about twice as much as the average company for similar positions. That might be enough for you, but try asking for more than that.

>>35517593
What are you laughing about? Plenty of people move up in the workplace because they work hard and produce good results.

>>35517595
I was referring to all engineering schools, including chem, electrical, petroleum and so on.
I assume you're a mechanical engineer?

>>35517595
Where the fuck are you working or applying? As a fresh grad I had three offers to choose from, two big companies and one startup. Total (including RSUs or stock options): 121k, 115k, 105k with 1.5% of a startup.

Nothing special. If you are getting 50k as an engineer you must be awful

>>35515813
As an EE grad that worked for startups, you were absolutely in the right, aside from the emoji. Don't ever pussy out when it comes to wages.

Ignore the brainless cucks here telling you that you were wrong. They're probably shills, themselves.

>>35517608
True, but that's the fault of the current economic climate. There's not much you can really do about it, getting paid well does involve some amount of luck.

Nowadays, if you intend to get rich, you're gonna have to take the risk and build your own company from scratch. You'll never truly get rich by working for someone else, I think that's just the nature of how things work in a capitalist society. Even then, it involves quite a bit of luck to be able to get a company off the ground.

>>35517657
yeah this is a fucking meme and total bullshit

Graduated in EECS at Berkeley and average was 60k for grads, with a couple outliers who got SE I gigs at Google for 80k starting

120k starting is an absolute meme and I don't believe you unless you went to MIT

>>35517692
My brother (ucsc) literally just got hired today for 115k starting. My best friend (caltech) at google got 106k starting too

>>35517064
He wasn't even bitching about compensation, he was just asking if there was any. Why should a potential employee go through all the hoops of the hiring process if they know the job won't even fucking pay them money. Can't wait till Bannon fucking nukes this whole place to the fucking ground.

>>35517624
I'm an electrical engineer. Median pay is "70k" in leafland for EEs according to Indeed, I used that website Payscale and it told me I should expect a starting salary of 55k.

>>35517657
Literally anyone that needs an electrical engineer. I made the mistake of not doing coop or networking during university because I was a moron and thought I would attempt to do medschool so I didn't want to take time away from school.

I haven't gotten any job offers let alone had any discussions about salary, so I don't actually know how much I should be demanding. In my mind, I should just be accepting whatever just to "get my foot in the door".

>>35517712
>ucsc
Literally how with those absolute dogshit engineering programs they have

Aren't even ABET accredited, holy fuck. Even Riverside and Merced's programs shit all over it, as well as CSUs like LB and SJSU
Must have been some sheer dumb luck

I can believe Caltech, though

>>35515813
This is one of the worst written business emails I've ever seen.
I mean I thought not putting emojis in emails to employers was just fucking basic knowledge.

>>35517754
I dunno man, he did have to interview at probably 10+ places though. I was starting to get worried for him. My ex (ucsd) made 105k right out of college too working for a company called clover. I thought 100k was standard in the bay area?

>>35517726
Well clearly he wasn't a match for the company since they are clearly looking for slave labour.

I personally would have brought it up during a face to face interview and not use fucking emojis if I was restricted to email.

>>35517750
Then it's your own fault for doing electrical engineering instead of software engineering. SE in SF and surrounding area will get you 110k+ out of college.

I can't even believe what >literally cucked corporate whores you faggots are.

Of course this is retarded and capitalism is a scourge on the face of the earth. Thank the lord people are starting to realize so soon we can throw you pathetic snivelling sycophants in the fuckin gulag where you belong.

>>35517809
I don't enjoy coding though. I enjoyed the concepts taught in EE the most. That's why I got a degree in EE and not CE.

Really though, salary is the least of my worries. It's getting that first job that I'm having trouble with.

>>35515813
start-ups don't have much to offer, if you're applying for a qualified position receiving shares is pretty standard, and realistic because in such a small company your actions and commitment shape its future - or doom it.
Plus you're probably on contact with a very small HR without standards, or directly with the founder.
Obviously telling them you're just looking for a gig and how much are they gonna offer isn't going to cut it.

Apply for a real company. Do your own research for typical wages of the position. Go to interviews for the experience, if you don't have it yet.

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>>35515813
I'm going to play devil's advocate here.

Wages for most jobs are low because there is a high demand for jobs and not enough of them to go around. This means employers can afford to be picky assholes when it comes to who they hire. Startups have something like a 90-95% failure rate and I could imagine some guy risking his life savings doesn't want to invest in some dipshit millennial robot who is already showing signs of interest in his payment but not enough in the actual job itself. Job hunting 101 is not to ask about the hourly pay until you are actually hired. Deep down nobody expects you to care more about some guy's company than your own paycheck, but you are expected to at least fake it, otherwise you are just a stupid dipshit.

I've been part of a startup before and money is usually pretty fucking tight. I'd imagine the owner wants to get off the ground before giving his employees respectable wages. It's a lot more difficult than Bernie Sanders supporting robot failures realize.

That's about all, peace out.

>>35517878
I've got a mate that joined Snapchat as employee 10>n>20 and who just bought him AND his girlfriend a Tesla S each.

"Start-ups don't have much to offer" lol

>>35517921
They are high risk, high reward you dipshit. You can strike gold by betting your life savings on a roulette wheel in Vegas, but odds are not in your favor, same as being part of a start up.

>>35516680
you sound like a fucking loser, OP can find a job that doesn't make them do this

lol swallow your pride and suck my dick son, you need the money. I won't tell you until you're done but you're only getting $5

>>35517921
To clarify, he owns about 0.2% of the current shares. At $24 bil market cap, that's $48 million.

>>35516669
If boss didn't someone else would, that's the problem. Everyone can't be boss and we're all spending the "same" time working.

Everyone should be paid the same FFS

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I got a question: how the fuck do you find startups?

Everyone says "word of mouth", and I have gone to a bunch of networking events and nobody ever fucking knows anything.

If a startup is willing to hire me for a measly compensation, I'm game. Because every company wants experience and I can't get the experience they want if no one hires me.

>>35517846
So long as they've got boots to lick, they'll do it. But those boots will kick us all into camps if we don't stop it soon.

>>35517989
>working, not for money, but to say you have worked in the past for a future job that also, may not pay you

>>35515813
Everyone who's replied to this thread with some variation of "just play the game/that's just how the world works/the boss is the boss so you gotta be his bitch" are the beta-est of beta cucks and contributing to the sickly nature of modern employment.

I can't imagine disrespecting myself like that and if that means my salary caps out at 150k instead of 300k then so be it

>pls let me work for you sir I'll promise to be a good wagie :) :) :) sorry sorry sorry have a great day! xoxoxox
>guys why isn't anyone taking me seriously?

>>35515813

What planet do these people live on where asking about wage and benefits is improper during a hiring process? Christ.

Lol

https://twitter.com/SkipTheDishes/status/841512446678487040?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

>>35518043
This is standard. Compensation is what you discuss towards the END of the hiring process, not the beginning.

Have you ever got a proper job (i.e. not McDonalds?) You would know.

As someone who does interviews for my startup, I won't insta-fail but will negatively look upon you if you ask about compensation early on in the process. Flagging your salary expectations is completely fine.

>>35518019
At the end of the day, nothing is good enough for employers if you really want to analyze it.

You demand a certain pay, it can either show an employer that you are confident in your abilities or that you're full of yourself. You say you'll work for anything, it can either show that you're a low risk and make you more favorable over other potentials or it could show them that you're shit and aren't confident in your abilities.

>>35515813
You're not coming off particularly strong as a potential employee in your wording, but everyone knows that startups are scams unless you're the person in charge. There is nothing wrong with being straight up about your demands. A business that isn't up front about that stuff is either incompetent or expecting to profit off your unpaid/underpaid work.

>>35518014
How do I into a job when no one even wants to give me an interview?

I'm starting to think stem was a huge scam.

>>35518128
Yeah, it's STEM that is the scam here. It's because of STEM that employers nationwide are exploiting the economic crisis left and right.

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>>35518080
This... I've helped in the hiring process at the company I work for, and the three WORST things you can do are the following:

1. Worthless, bullshit degree (this shows you are a lazy piece of shit that never wanted to get a real job or do any real work. Examples include English, Psychology, Women's Studies or Liberal Arts). Having no degree is better than having a retarded one that only a dipshit would study. At least with someone who has no degree, they could turn out to be fantastic, but someone who studies some horse shit you might as well wear a hat that says "UNEMPLOYABLE".

2. Huge gaps in employment record - if there is no good explanation for it.

3. Indicating that you are more concerned about pay and compensation than the actual duties of the job. This is exactly where OP went wrong.

>>35518019
OP's experience should serve as an example to not apply for startups, they're looking for slaves to build their stupid fucking ideas, not employees.

Expecting a certain wage from a startup won't get you anywhere. You HAVE to be a desperate beta bitch to work for a startup.

>>35518158
>2. Huge gaps in employment record - if there is no good explanation for it.

Is mental illness good enough? Or do I not deserve to get any money stocking shelves or doing some stupid shit a monkey could do, maybe some old person or immigrant can take my place working for peanuts doing something that requires minimal skill.

>>35518000
Yeah, there are going to be serious problems real soon once automation and AI puts the majority of Americans out of work while landlords still try to charge exhorbitant rent prices. There will be a violent revolution in our lifetimes at this rate.

>>35517989
Simple. Move to San Francisco Bay Area.

>>35518207
No, that's even worse than coming across as a lazy piece of shit NEET. Nobody wants to hire a crazy person.

If any of you want a job, just lie your ass off. And make it convincing.

>>35518207
>Is mental illness good enough?

No, almost all employers will think you're a massive liability.

Though some companies have diversity quotas that you could potentially take advantage of.

>>35518231
I've seen some shitty advice in my day but that right there is towards the top of the heap of shitty advice I've seen in my day.

>>35518207
>Is mental illness good enough
Mental Illness = liability = big fat "do not hire" sign.

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>>35516967
>You might not like it, but nothing stop that.

Well you know there was a time in the 70s when unemployment was low and the power was with employees. You could move to another city knowing you could walk into another job easily.

That ended when the boomers turned the system around so there was always a pool of unemployed people to keep wages down. The central bank will adjust interest rates when unemployment gets too low, so the power never gets back with employees.

>>35516798
have you ever had a job? any job at all? have you even gone to an interview?

>>35518226
Should just blow my head off since I will probably be in the process of slowly dying when it happens. It's already started.

I'm not living the last 2/3 of my life hoarding percocets and guns Z-Nation style and eating pinecones if I'm lucky to be free.

>>35518348
I would welcome it personally. You have to remember that the backlash againt a complete loss of decency and humanity in our world is likely to be embracing those principles, even if they have to be institutionalized by the use of force against those who oppose them.

What are subhumans supposed to do? I'm competing with smarter, stronger, better looking, more socially able people for the same thing: a good paying job

>>35515813
This honestly looks like a scam company. I'm surprised they are still functioning. Their positive reviews look like fake reviews written by management.

https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Skip-the-Dishes/reviews?fcountry=ALL

>>35515813
There were expecting you to be an unpaid intern, weren't they.

The emoji was really stupid, though.

>>35515862
They really aren't. Especially not through email and not before your interview. This guy made a major faux pas.

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>>35515813
>I have a question I wanted to ask you
>How much do you think I'll be getting paid
>Sorry
>Have a lovely day :)

This company is a scam led by assholes, but you come across as a massive beta pussy, and that arouses instinctive disgust in other males. You should fix your communication if you ever want to work in a real job.

>>35516669
What happens when wagie and NEET team up and gangfuck bossie's boipucci after raiding his fridge?

>>35518694
Usually they think about raising your wage when you put resignation letter on desk and say that you've found better paying job or going to other company.

>>35518694
that's never going to happen so suicide it is

>>35518452
look at their twitter its fucking hilarious

https://twitter.com/SkipTheDishes/

>>35518694
Yeah seriously, I blew my brains out halfway through reading that shit because I could not stand to live in a world with such a buttfucking beta retard. Jesus christ. Why would you put a SMILEY in a fucking email that your are supposed to be writing on a professional basis?

>>35518739
You can't learn to talk like you don't think everyone is a superman and you're a roach scurrying around their feet?

Your salvation lies in complete indifference towards what other think, and it's attainable for most. I used to be worse than you are, now I talk with the CEO and the research PHD's like an equal, and they appreciate it, because only assholes feel comfortable when people are extremely deferential and servile towards them. If you treat people like you're their equal, they will usually respond as if it was true.

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>>35518752

>backpedals
>ends up doxxing the woman too

Jesus, what a fuck up of a company

https://twitter.com/SkipTheDishes/status/841512446678487040

>>35518265
disregarding certain realities which impose on this scenario it's not wrong

>>35518776
so what? being douchey works?

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>>35518481
The fact that robots don't instantly realize this is why they are all failures in life. If they can't grasp something as straightforward as being professional, how are they going to grasp the nuances of interpersonal relationships? Most robots 100% deserve to never reproduce

>>35518794
Just be normal. Friendly. Like you would talk to a friend or something. Walk like you're alone at home. Sit like it's your chair (that doesn't mean you should slouch, you never should, it's unhealthy).

>>35516680
>that's just how it works, suck it up!
hmm really made me think

>>35517283
It's called hyperbole wagie, you wouldn't know though because mindless wageslaving has turned your brain to mush!

>>35515813
I mean, the one reply does clarify that it's a startup. Why would you bother with something like that? You're essentially an intern for a company that may not even succeed. His fault for trying to jump at a startup instead of a solid, already established business that would 100% be able to pay him.

>>35518481
Well it's not like he's going to want that job if he's not getting paid. Looks like he saved lots of time + gas money

>>35518818
>Like you would talk to a friend or something
Damn, i think i couldnt talk like that with boss.

Dumbass. You are suppose to ask about pay and benefits during the interview.

But also a company that does nto disclose pay and benefits in job description probably pays minimum

>>35519026
I'm not saying you should fool around, just be at ease and talk openly and confidently.

>>35515813
I'd tell them to get fucked because you needed to know if you could afford to pay for your mothers cancer treatment and make them feel like dicks

>>35518731
They only do that if you have a particular set of skills that would be hard/expensive to replace.

For unskilled labour, they'll just tell you to fuck off and replace you with literally anybody.
For trade labour, they'll tell you to fuck off and replace you with a cheap polish plumber/electrician/whatever who has fake credentials.
For a meme degree, they'll tell you to fuck off and replace you with any other useless graduate, who's currently working in a coffee shop and desperate for any other job.

Such is life.

>>35519392
This, I'm skilled labor and they just said "We're sorry to hear that, but we can't raise your wage, good luck in the future".

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>>35518782
Holy shit, it's happening right now. They really messed up by going after a feminist too, social justice warriors are going to be all over this.

>>35518752
>>35518782
>former womyn's [sic!] liaison at arts students council

I can't hold all these red flags

>>35519541
They are already all over it, look at all the comments they are getting

>>35519588
Wait, "womyn" isnt a r9k made up term? topkek

>startup
They were going to try and pay you in shares and "exposure"

>>35519621
>Wait, "womyn" isnt a r9k made up term? topkek
You thought that came from here? You really are retarded. Stop getting all your news, information and worldview from one board on one website.

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>>35519621
Womyn is an attempt by retarded feminists to get rid of the "men" section in "women". Ironically it is the y chromosome that triggers the embryo to develop into a male. Womyn can't into science.

>>35519636
i dont spend enough time on reddit to learn these terms and im not friends with any SJWs

Seeing as /r9k/ are now suddenly employment and marketing professionals, I have a question.

What is the likelihood of receiving training and qualifications through larger tech firms?
I'm 22 years old and considering going to university for the first time. The problem is I feel like I've squandered my time in the IT sector and am afraid by the time I'm qualified I will be too old and no one will hire me.
If I'm hired for a low level desk job and show enough ambition and commitment to the job, are companies likely to offer courses and skill training within? Do many employers even have programs like that?

>>35519778
That depends heavily and the company and location.
Generally the likelihood increases with your already existing skills. Nobody builds workers from nothing, but specializing an expert is not that unheard of.

>>35518766
Using a smiley and asking what the job fucking pays are not good reasons to deny someone a job. This employer is a fucking weasel. Also, the whole tone of the email changes when you learn from their twitter that it was sent by a girl.

>>35518805
It wasn't a robot, it was a ////GIRL//// who sent that. How's that change things for ya?

>>35519723
Haven't you heard? Some womxn have realized this (probably because men pointed it out) and are spelling it like that now.

>>35515813
this pic legit angered me.

what a fucking dumbfuck tool. NOBODY WANTS TO WORK FOR YOU FOR FREE. literally fuck this bitch. happy you got out there quick and what you did was right. you need to know if you're wasting your time and your worth is being met. obviously they couldn't deliver and were insecure about how fucking low they pay their employees, so thank fucking god you got out there quick. i did that before too - i would ask how much sometimes over the phone (before i even went to the interview LOL) and if it was too low, fuck that place. NO RAGRETS. then proceeded to get a job that pays 10x more. :)

sorry you had to deal with that low degenerate bullshitttt. forget it and move on, he's obviously fucking 10000% unprofessional and expects intern ethic at a fucking company thats supposed to be transparent and pay its employees. he couldnt handle it like a boss lmao fucking sad

As right as you guys are that he did make several mistakes, doesn't it bither you that our parents never had to put up with this shit? They can tell us to do x, y, and z and act accordingly, but at the end of the day my parents (as many others) had employers calling their schools to set up interviews and open new positions for them. Meanwhile we get to go through hoops to perform for assholes who don't even pay us minimum wage because lmao 39 hours and/or temp agency.

t. Angsty 20 something teenager.

>>35521997
>lmao 39 hours
I don't know what's wrong with America, but as a skilled worker I can survive comfortably on 25 hours in my second world shithole. I don't want to travel or party, I just rent a small apartment in a quiet area, get the fastest internet I can and have a brand new car.

You're doing something seriously wrong if you can't even afford to live by yourself when working full time, or your society is broken.

>>35517778
YEAH NO FUCKING SHIT THE SALARY IS HIGH BECAUSE YOU ARE IN THE FUCKING BAY AREA

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

HURR THE SALARY IS SO MUCH HIGHER DURR

HURR BTW IM LIVING IN A PLACE WHERE EVERYTHING COSTS SO MUCH MORE DURR

FUCKING FAGGOT

FUCKING IDIOT

NO SHIT THE SALARY WOULD BE HIGHER

WOW IM MAD

YOU FFAGGOT

>>35522095
A big problem for millenials is that not only did boomers settle down in the suburbs where it is imppssible to start a career but they also bought the surrounding land to rent out properties because it's the thing you do when you have money. If your parents didn't get you a car and you went to college then you're at the mercy of your hometown. It's definitely possible to make it in parts of the US, but many of us are stuck in boomertowns or shekelvilles.

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>>35520458
If they change it from womxn to womxc we can revive a really great tv show.

>Don't have the job
>HEY HOW MUCH AM I GUNNA GET PAID AND WHAT ABOUT BENEFITS LOL
That is like, rule #1 of "shit not to do", you idiot.

If they want you to work for them, then you will find out what exactly you will be compensated with. At this point you can negotiate with them if it's a real job, but realistically you can just take it or leave it.

>>35515813
lol

i'm laughing at you

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>>35515813
I mean you fucked up, but it is fucking stupid how fake and glossy corporate "culture" is.
Ask the right question at the wrong time or you will be blacklisted, but Jenny in HR with her fat ass does about ten minutes of work a week and is lauded for being a team player. I've been looking for work forever and I always find it perplexing how stringent hiring culture is but how many useless fucks end up getting and keeping the jobs anyway.

>>35518481
>>35518805
The person had already had a phone interview that they passed.

>>35516751
I just got angry reading all that shit.

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>>35517778
>100k was standard in the bay area?
ye b/c of cost of living

i only make 60k here MN but would have to make 100k in bay area to have comparable living

>>35517921
>"Start-ups don't have much to offer" lol
they dont. snapchat is a unicorn

most startups will never be like snapscum

>>35522095
it also seems like he was implying a "limit" that some states have, in mine its 29 hours. places will hire at 29 hours per week or less so they dont have to give you benefits. even the city does it

>>35515813
>startup

Jesus fucking christ, I really hope they fail (and possibily die)

>>35516128
>proud of being an asshole
I'll come visit you in Hell just to fall asleep to your cries for mercy

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>>35515813
>have cyborg brother
>he becomes a wagie
>ask him how much he's getting paid
>tells me he doesn't know
>ask him again 2 months later
>still doesn't know
>didn't even get paid for the months
>he says it's coming in one big cheque
>payday comes
>he only gets 200 bong
>for 3 MONTHS of wage cucking 2 days a week one being sunday
>he only has 1 day off a week because he's also a student
>meanwhile I just bought a nintendo switch and have 4 days off every week

wagecucks are some of the stupidest people on the planet

>>35515936
this

wagecuks get so exploited they're too tired to even think

>>35515813
>Smiley face in a business e-mail

wat

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>>35516201
This has become such a hypocritical culture, it's just disgusting.

And I say that, but I love my current job (especially coworkers) so much that I actually don't mind getting there up to an hour earlier if I didn't have anything to do, just because I love it. But I'm ok with it because I'm honest about it, and I know I wouldn't do it if I wasn't paid.

>applying to a stat up company
>Expecting any kind of benefits or high wage
LOL HOLY SHIT THESE NEETS ARE SO BITTER!!!!

Holy shit you guys fucking know nothing about the work force, you are going up to a poor persons house and demanding money that they don't have. Holy shit you are so stupid.

Side note!!
>Look up the company SkipTheDishes
>Literally a food delviery company
>Getting ANY kind of benefits from delivering food

This is fucking rich. Holy shit I love this. The ignorance is so great, and looking at all the pissed off NEETs getting mad over something that they think an entry food delivery company will supply is amazing. I love this. Why not go to domino's next and ask if they are giving you benefits too?

>>35516667
If you stick in long enough, you'll have an unimaginably good position after (if) it takes off

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>>35516751
I'm dying here, so sad it's true

>>35522281
This. Get the offer first, then they'll tell you about the pay and benefits.

At that point, if it's not good enough, just tell them so and reject the offer. It's not like you're bound to accept the offer.

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>>35515872
>>35516013
>>35516128
>>35516907

NORMIES GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE GET OUT OF HERE

>>35523390

That is illegal in the UK m9

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>>35518818
>tfw so uncomfortable in my own skin that i don't even act "normal" in isolation
i'm truly fucked aren't I?

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>>35518207
>Huge gaps in employment record - if there is no good explanation for it.
>Is mental illness good enough?

Yes anon just explain that you had a stint of anxiety and depression. I'm sure the interviewer will understand!

holy fucking kek
>using emojis in professional emails
>wording your email like a middle schooler
>asking about compensation before even meeting them

>>35524567
What if my first job was at 21, and I went back to uni at 22 and graduated at 25 in engineering, working jobs and doing internships/research since then

Will I still get hammered for not working at McDonalds at 18, by engineering firms

WHY DON'T WE LEARN HOW TO DO THIS SHIT IN SCHOOL
WHAT THE FUCK AM I DOING