Why aren't you a communist?

Because commu-[COLLAPSE]

What country are you describing you absolute moron? Where is it on a map?

>>35475253
Heres 15 examples of times it worked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIddCEBCKHQ

>>35475309
The future world socialist republic that is the inevitable result of the struggle between the proletariat and the bourgeois.

>>35475242
I like owning shit

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>>35475242
>Wake up
>Walk outside
>Get head bashed in by a collection of vibrant multicultural youth
That's why. Demographics > Policy anytime. If the people living in your country is shit your country is going to be shit. Some people are shit. Commies want to import these people in massive numbers. Their countries would become shit.

>>35475242
I love owning shit that I don't need, sorry not sorry.

>>35475363
You can still own things. You can keep personal property just not private property (Company's)

>>35475346
Ok you can move there and get the fuck away from america which was never designed to be that.

>>35475242
>paid vacation
>being paid in communism

>>35475383
>Commies want to import these people in massive numbers.
No we fucking don't, are you retarded.

>>35475386
see this post. You can own personal property.
>>35475395

>>35475242
>>Every week we vote on which politician to recall

That sounds like a recipe for a fucking mess

>>35475395
>you can use it but its not yours
nah senpai I don't think you should be able to take my stuff because you think I don't need it or have too much or whatever.

collectivist economies always collapse when they run out of things to expropriate from others, because they don't give people any incentive to create wealth.

>>35475383
Actually we believe in National self determination so Syrians could have there own nation and stay out of yours.

>>35475309
Modern day China

Yeah. Venezuela loves their country

>>35475395
>>35475444
I know but the materialist property that I want will not be made in a socialist state.

>>35475470
According to Marx and Lenin people should be able to own stuff (except workers own all the company's they work in) and also should be paid according to their contribution to society. Therefore if you work harder you should get more money.

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>>35475408
You're not doing anything to stop them coming.
Or remove those who'se already come.
And of course this hypothetical world socialist republic would provide ample means for population growth in all the wrong places.

>>35475519
Well because it would be a direct democracy you and the people could vote on what is made.

>>35475470
>collectivist economies always collapse when they run out of things to expropriate from others,

So does capitalism, have you noticed how the commons have been getting privatized lately? It can't grow outwards anymore, so it's inventing ways to steal the people's property, including their normal daily activities and thoughts, and repackage and sell it back to them.

>>35475527
>You're not doing anything to stop them coming.
My country is 99% white, not sure what you're talking about.

>>35475520
>and also should be paid according to their contribution to society.
the problem is that the labor theory of value is a bunch of bullshit, and there's no way to decide objectively how much some particular activity is worth to society.

>>35475552
You can do that in capitalism. You vote buy buying stuff. The stuff that people buy is what the market supplies.

>>35475527
>And of course this hypothetical world socialist republic would provide ample means for population growth in all the wrong places.
You are completely wrong about this. Why would it? It's purely a matter of culture and ideology, and you only need two generations to completely change that. You've probably noticed, if you're American, how short of a time it took for the retarded "marxists" to take over, or if you're Eastern European, how short of a time it took for communism to fall and for the exact same people to adopt "European values" and give your assholes to the EU for example.

>>35475589
In capitalism certain people get more votes than others however. Also the LTV isn't a tool to figure out how much you get paid its just a tool to analyze capitalism. The value of your labor would be decided democratically. Is there a shortage? The people vote to pay people who are making that product more.

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I like this thread.

I don't get how people aren't as left as possible.

>it's a 16 year old thinks communists didn't have to work and that's why he praises it episode

>>35475670
/r9k/ is the most class conscious board.

>>35475688
When post scarcity is reached in a communist society people won't have to work. Were close enough to that now that we could probably have a 4 hour work day.

>>35475691
But it's also the loser board.

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>>35475242
>antifa feminist cuckboi wants you to support Project: Has never worked, ever

>>35475670
Maybe they like having things like TVs, cars and food.

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>>35475634
>It's purely a matter of culture and ideology
Go get curbstomped. You're too stupid and ignorant to take anything you have to say seriously.
>>35475581
And of course it wouldn't remain that way if leftists had their way you retard.

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>>35475726
what leftist robots fail to realize is that losers are losers under any socioeconomic system.

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>>35475670
People are still stuck in the 19th century. They think just because communism failed once it will always fail.

We just weren't ready for it back then. The technology wasn't advanced enough yet. There's no more peasants barely surviving through subsistence farming these days. A single modern farmer produces enough food for thousands of people. Productivity is like this across the board. If it was made to benefit the people rather than just the rich ownership class, we could live in utopia TODAY.

>>35475746
Here's 15 times it worked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIddCEBCKHQ

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>>35475670
They're not cucks?
Original internet comment.

>>35475763
>>It's purely a matter of culture and ideology
>Go get curbstomped. You're too stupid and ignorant to take anything you have to say seriously.
Ok, so what is it a matter of?

>And of course it wouldn't remain that way if leftists had their way you retard.
I think you're talking about globalists dude.

>>35475761
They could still have that in socialism. The people would control what is produced through direct democracy.

>>35475822
Direct democracy is a terrible idea, I'd take straight up dictatorship over that

>>35475242
>communism
>paid vacation
>uncensored internet
>anything being open source
>anything being even remotely "high tech"
top kek lad, guess you've never experienced the glory of the united workers
t. post-socialist-country slav

>>35475766
Not when they can make there life better through cooperation not competition.

>>35475848
You lived in Yugoslavia? Wasn't it like on-par with Portugal in living standards?

>>35475791
>15 times it worked for a short while, at the cost of thousands of lives
Still laughing over here.

>>35475253
fpbp
originaloj

>>35475847
Why is it a bad idea? Tyranny of the majority? The only other option is tyranny of the minority at least in tyranny of the majority most people can be happy.

>>35475875
It was on-par with most of Europe except the richest countries (Germany, Switzerland, Northern Europe etc.).

It was miles above the actual Soviet bloc, and was more comparable to for example Italy or Spain.

It all went to shit when they broke it down and now the individual countries are worse than most of the current ex Soviet bloc.

>>35475766
Black market means literally freedom. Your post just makes me more commie.

>>35475875
>lived
never left, once slav always slav
not yugoslavia though, most of central/eastern europe was ruled by communists at some point. idk hows Portugal doing but during socialism people were getting fucked over by the "goverment" all the time. My great grand parents used to own a fuck ton of fertile land, we're talking multiple tonnes per harvest (all done by hand) and then the lefties came in and essentially stole it, we never got it back.
>m-muh people's parties

lmao didnt you niggas have to pay $300 for a slice of bread once?

>>35475961
It was mostly because the USA started fucking with them and promoting "Democracy"

>>35475933
Majority of people are not made to rule. Rule is for the chosen, the smart, the rich, people with fine education and upbringing.

Tyranny of the majority means that the dumb majority is suffocating those who truly matter.

>>35475998
I mostly agree with that. Right now people aren't meant to rule. I think if we were to educate everyone It would be different but until then we could have representative democracy with recallable representatives.

>>35476048
Only that will hardly ever happen. That's utopia

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>>35475814
>Ok, so what is it a matter of?
Some groups of people will always be defective because of genes. Meaning having them live in large numbers in your country/city/neighborhoud means it becomes trash. For some groups it's culture, but this too cannot be changed easily, so for practical considerations it's mostly an academic distinction.

>I think you're talking about globalists dude.
>world socialist republic
>not globalist
In any case,
>provide gibsmedat to useless groups of people known for being violent and breeding until they starve to death
>They breed and their numbers become extremely large
>Their countries are shit because they are shit
>They move to non-shit countries
>Commies let them because commies are cucks and in any case refuse to admit that these people are shit
>The entire world becomes shit.

>>35476083
Representative democracy with recallable representatives has happened many times before.

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>Wanting communism
Just read a fucking book nigger, all you need to do is to read some slavic literature from 20th century that's not propaganda bullshit.
It will tell you literally everything wrong with communism.
>Dostoyevsky's The House of the Dead
>Dostoyevsky in general
>Read about Pol Pot
>Herling-Grudzinski's A World Apart
>Zeromski's Coming Spring (only the first and last chapter though as the rest of it isn't about communism but it is a perfect example of how communism works)
Also, visit literally any country with communism or any post communistic country.
And kill yourself too, it will be better this way for everyone.

>>35475994
Non-aligned countries were all better off in Tito's times, because of their general "buffer" status, led by of course Yugoslavia.

Check out this speech by Nasser for example... and compare it to today's Egypt ruined by western meddling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX4RK8bj2W0

>>35475970
>My great grand parents used to own a fuck ton of fertile land, we're talking multiple tonnes per harvest (all done by hand) and then the lefties came in and essentially stole it, we never got it back.
And you think this hasn't been done thousands of times in "democracy" in the past 20 years?

I would suggest reading or watching the adaptation of this story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6mbOIda3yw

Currently, the method through which it's being done is:

- flood the market with cheap agricultural goods from the EU that's being subsidized by your taxes
- lower the subsidies for small agricultural producers
- when they give up, buy the land and incorporate it into whatever your masters told you to incorporate it into

Practically the same method cattle barons used in the Wild West.

>>35476133
>Dostoyevsky for communism
You should both kill your selves.

>>35476091
>>world socialist republic
Who wants that? That would be a fucking nightmare (the EU is a pretty good example of it actually, except it's only socialist for half of the countries, and ruthlessly capitalist for the other half...).

>>35476133
1. Polpot was a CIA nigger who was put into power like Pinochet in Chile by the CIA
2. I don't want to redo the USSR or the DPRK so why use them as evidence.

>>35475242
Who can deny that such a utopia would be a good thing, but who will create it? Normies treat me like garbage, I certainly won't be allowed any input. As for the normies themselves, they're morons and incapable of anything like this, they will support some kleptocrat who tells them what they want to hear.

Individualism is the only way to escape from normy bullshit. Capitalism is the only way out.

I won't hesitate the milk the welfare system as much as possible of course, it is morally justified after all considering every normy singles me out and treats me like a subhuman without exception. Anything I can do to be a burden on society and help bleed the beast is a good thing.

Though sticking to this principle I likewise don't have a problem with corporations and rich people evading tax. The more wealth is concentrated into a tiny elite the more normies suffer as a whole. Whenever I see normies (metaphorically) sucking Chad's cock my instinct is to say "oh, you like that huh" and force their head forward to make them choke on it. If they want to be such huge tools might as well help them. As long as normies are too moronic to support a utopia like yours there is no point doing otherwise.

Should I get to the point I pay more in tax than I receive in welfare I will go full capitalist. That is the end goal. That and getting normies to use robots with a blip of code in them that turns them into killing machines when activated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7xvqQeoA8c

>>35475242
Honestly I recommend every anti-communist to read Bothov. He has some compelling arguments for communism.

>>35476233
Why have capitalism when we could have fully automated luxury gay space communism?

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>>35475242
Because this thread was automatically filtered for some reason

Pro gay bait and pro commie shit bloom at the same time on intervals, really makes you REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>35476140
you're fucking retarded dude, what you explained is Economics 101 what I'm talking about is property theft and black mailing. Back in the the day, you'd get a "visit" from the government, two buff guys telling you that you should join like a farmer's union thing (a lot of different farmers joined under one "corporation" - you worked on your own land but didn't get to harvest your own stuff) and if you didn't agree to join, they would threaten you a few times usually saying things like you will go to prison, your kids won't graduate/ get into university, and this intensified until people just gave in because they couldn't handle the pressure, since these "officials" tended to use their physical strength too, not just words. Then most people joined the union, lost all ownership of their land and slaved away until they died of old age. What happened next? When socialism fell, unless you went into court with the now democratic government (this literally took up to 20 years for your case to be resolved, I remember watching the news and there were people who were still demanding their property in like 2010 or so) you had no chance to get your property back. Also during communism, you had to literally wait in line to get basic food, because there was a constant shortage of everything. Forget citrus fruit or sweets, that was the privilege of the people in the communist party.
TL;DR
I would be a richfag right now if it weren't for the commies, instead I'm 50k in inherited debt.
t-thanks lefts :^)

>>35476391
>what I'm talking about is property theft and black mailing.
How is this better when you call it "Economics 101" when the end result is the same?

You get the exact same things you described a lot nowadays too, ever tried getting a "real" job without being in a political party? The fact that you're in a class that apparently isn't affected by it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

>this literally took up to 20 years
How long do you think processes against the government take nowadays? And processes against anyone who has any kind of influence whatsoever?

Did you forget that, for example, in Serbia, they literally had special police in face masks come down at night and demolish an entire part of the town with bulldozers, killing some old security guy in the process, regardless of all those buildings being someone's property and with no court order or finished court process, just so that the government can continue to pretend they're building their new project on that land?

>Also during communism, you had to literally wait in line to get basic food, because there was a constant shortage of everything.
Guess we lived in different timelines, in mine we went for weekend shopping to Italy or Hungary all the time, because their living standard was shit and everything was extremely cheap, and went to Austria to buy all the stuff they imported or produced and we didn't.

You could also buy Czech pussy for a pair of stockings.

>>35476391
>lost all ownership of their land and slaved away until they died of old age
So just like capitalism then? That is literally the ideal capitalist drone.

>>35476582
you forgot to add
>t. west european citizen

>>35476624
Yes, this is why I'm specifically talking about the Serbian situation.