How do we solve the surveillance state problem?

>>35456453
Problem? I thought this was the solution to preventing crime and keeping people safe.

The problem exists in what they do to the people they don't like.

>>35456497
>I thought this was the solution to preventing crime and keeping people safe.
Only very naive people believe this.

>The problem exists in what they do to the people they don't like.
i.e. Anyone who opposes the regime.

>>35456453
We don't, people have been stupid cattle for ages and it will only become worse

>>35456453
kill the jews.

anti-jew comment.

Thanks Obammer

>>35456973
This, that way the jews survive as always but put a stop to it ironically to survive.

>>35456453
Not possible without some absolutely cataclysmic event, and in that case we'll have bigger problems.

>>35456988
Bush is the one that did the antiprivacy act, you silly silly right winger programmed newfriend brainwashed-meme.

>how do we stop the righ winger left wing brainwashing?

>>35456453
Can't. People are too apathetic.

There was a very brief window for a cyberpunk-style hacker underworld to develop that would actively oppose corporate (it's mostly corporate more than state) surveillance and other things, but the corporations won by nipping it in the bud and turning it into a joke.
That's the best way to deal with legitimate criticism. Turn it into a joke. That's how conspiracy theorists were dealt with.

you install templeos

>>35457044

initially. but Obammer pumped it full of crack, meth and steroids and HRT.

>>35457074
>That's how conspiracy theorists were dealt with.
Because most of them were jokes.

yo big guy, this girl said that the NSA are gay emo kids.

twitch tv / emilycc

I don't care, they can see all the porn that I watch, I have nothig to hide. If they kill people who don't support the regime then I'll just support it, easy. As long as I get my tendies it really doesnt matter.

>>35457119
Were they? Or were stupid ones shoved into the mass to discredit it?

>>35457154
Is there a meaningful difference?

>>35457105
All of the rules that get set into motion by previous politicians seldom really get shot down, they just want you to think that happens. They don't just undo everything that got us this far. Make no mistake that the right winger takes your rights away, and they're idiotic. But yeah, we'd make no progress at all if every new politician shot down the last guys stuff. Think about it.
>left is in
>right is in
>left is in
The point is to move slowly in one direction or it'd be
>centralist
>centralist
But we want progress but it's obviously meant to be slow. Trump gets in because it was to go right again, and that has nothing to do with who they even pick. Like, was it very left winger to nuke half of murkas ebt? Of course not but that happened on his last year didn't it? Because it's right for 10 now. Then left for 10. Then right for 10. etc

>>35457201
Yes? It's very effective way to deal with a criticism. Someone says something is fucked up in some way then you sarcastically come out with something worse. People laugh at yours and think it's silly and the real one gets forgotten in the laughter.
People pay attention to what they heard last or what provoked the biggest reaction.

>>35456453
You don't. Nobody seems to understand how screwed they really are,

>>35457267
what's going to happen in our lifetimes that's going to screw us so bad? There's a limit on how much power the government can take if everyone has guns

>>35457306
Not if people with guns either support it or are hopelessly overpowered

>>35457346
cool i'll just support the government then

>>35457306
>what's going to happen in our lifetimes that's going to screw us so bad?

Mass genocide on an unprecedented scale.

>>35457369
What if they don't support you?

>>35456453
Elect a bumbling, incoherent rich dude with russian mafia ties and no sense of honor except making a buck quick to the presidency.

>>35457400
i guess I won't fully understand until something bad does happen. White men have never been fully oppressed by any nation so it's just hard to imagine it happening

>>35457387
>them watching you means going to kill you
No monkey. It's not a tiger in the bushes. It's everyone turned into a prisoner as a right of passage, and those that don't break laws end up higher class. The point of watching us is to incriminate. But it's already happened. The prison system is already fucking everyone by being the largest in the world by our smaller population anyway. After the poplation of prisoners started multiplying by ten year periods, then they uped the watching even more. Think about it. Build a wall around the land of the free of which so happens to have the highest crime rates and most populated with cimrinals. There are even for profit prisons. Captialism devolves into feudalism. Too much of a mind of your own and you get to be a lower class citizen with no power. No mind of own, your a tool anyway so, ya get it.

>>35457455
While not exactly the same, you should read about the decolonization of Africa. Things can swing pretty easily.

>>35457306
Do americans really believe this?

Drones, anon. Remote military drones.

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>>35456453
By destroying the state or abandoning modern technology.
The state has always and will always push and expand past any boundaries set in front of it. It doesn't care if invading privacy is "bad", if it can it will. It doesn't care about legal reforms, it will obfuscate and hide away it's operations. The only true solutions we have available to us are a completely demolition of the state, so that it can't utilize the potential of technology to spy on the people, or a mass degrowth away from the technology that allows it to do so.
The former is a much better option, but a collapse is a good plan B since it's inevitable under the current order anyway.

>>35457223
Liberal democracy is the essence of centrism. The cycle /is/
>centrist
>centrist
No meaningful progress is being made. The violences perpetuated by the US government haven't slowed down since WWII. Neither party has any interest in limiting the power of the state, because it's their own power they would be limiting, even if they aren't in the presidential office.

>>35457641
Isolated drone strikes are not sufficient to take down a modern insurrection, unless you're willing to do them with nukes and level your most important centers of production.

>>35457641
Duh. Murkan here and shook my head when they tested us already by already killing some Murikans without a court session. Suspected of terrorism. Suspected. But you're not on our soil so
>DON'T RUN AWAY BITCH
The amount of bullshit that was.
>>hey by the by we've killed our own citizens that may have been terrorists, because they weren't on murkan soil where we could watch them
Seems to be the message I got. And nobody did anything about it, so I resent everybody for just letting shit like this go. But the ones that trust them just assume they would have been found guilty, and executed. I guess.

>>35457690
Isolated drone strikes are more than enough. Take out the leader and the insurrection will crumble. Rebellions are very fragile things.

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>>35456453
You can't, and this is funny because I work as a security guard in retail. I get to zoom in and watch people without them even knowing. The CCTV can zoom in so close that I can almost see what they're texting. At Macy's their cameras were clear enough if they were standing still.

Mass surveillance has already taken hold, no stopping it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzysxHGZCAU

>>35457861
Do you feel a sort of perverse sense of knowledge and power when you watch them? And a deeply degenerate kind of curiosity, like you want to look into their life and uncover all their secrets and learn all about them.

>>35457807
Insurrections are not rebellions. They have no goal but the disillusion of their target power structures. They do not need any complex leadership, just devoted individuals with basic modern amenities and a common goal.
You cannot stop someone from walking down the street and stabbing someone else. Make "you" a few hundred people and make "someone else" the cops, and you immediately have a political crisis that cannot be cut off by a drone strike. Enough of these crises stacked on top of one another, they become a threat to powers that be.

>>35458239
Sorry, make "someone" a few hundred people.
I don't want the NSA to think I'm incriminating you.

>>35458025
No he's just a cop with a shitlord personality most likely, and it's not complicated. The idea is keepin the dogs in line. Could consider yourself the foundation of modern society, by making the lines. Before cops or knights or anything like that, you ahve a villiage with just about no tech, their happiness compared to ours notwithstanding.

>>35456453
By smashing the state desu

>>35458239
I get you. Riots. There's no leader to a riot, you just have to try to contain it and wait for it to burn itself out. If there's enough people, and enough weapons, then you simply cannot contain it.
I'm sure there are some old men who would say, "why contain it". They are the true evil.

>>35458792
But why contain it?

>>35456957
this, its over. ieugfihally

>>35457074
>hat's the best way to deal with legitimate criticism. Turn it into a joke.

Exactly. I see it all the time on 4chan.

>MSM is toxic

>HURR DURR MUH MAINSTREAM METEOR

>>35458985
Let it run riot and it merely paves the way for the elite to rule. When civilisation is in tatters, then they rebuild it as they see fit.
You know they're stockpiling for the apocalypse.

>>35459126
even if we kill them all?

(This is just a piece of fiction, NSA, CIA, FBI and related)

There's actually nothing we can do except living in the woods in the middle of the sea (without internet ofcourse)

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>>35457044
the "criminal justice" apparatus of the state has been interested in mass surveillance ever since it became possible. this predates bush and obama. it predates cointelpro.

you've gotta take it back all the way to socialist/anarchist agitation in the early 20th century to see where it begins

the thing is that every single president and major agency head has been complicit in advancing the surveillance agenda because it makes complete sense if you're in charge of a lot of people--you want to know what they're up to. the more privacy "the people" have from the government, the less able the government will be to (in an optimistic sense) respond to the will of the people and (in a pessimistic/realistic sense) control and minimize dissent. it's a self-preservation tactic

we see it more now because the advent of digital information exchange has made surveillance MUCH easier--it provides a convenient archive and allows you to conduct passive surveillance, where you pretty much log everything anyone ever does and then search your database as needed. you don't need to have fbi agents steaming open envelopes anymore, you can store the information in massive data vaults and have algorithms search for various keywords, phrases, etc. as needed.

"bush did it" or "obama did it" is completely meaningless. the system was in place long before them and they did nothing to curtail it. nobody reasonably expected them to and it would be completely against their own interest to do so.

re: the OP, there is literally nothing anyone can do except to literally destroy the internet. the idea that these "data vaults" are centralized is deus ex level fantasy, you'd pretty much have to destroy the world's digital infrastructure, which would probably bring about global societal collapse.

so is it worth it?

i dunno man

>>35459126
>only takes like 260 people to restart the human race
>they make so much food and store it
>sooo much oil
>etc so much hoarding
They could just be done with it and not even care for the rest of their lives because you wouldn't need anymore stuff to be made as we've made so much, if they only had a few thousand elite running around using what's already made. Do the math, so many billions when it's thousands that rule it all, and they all have more food made than they need for everyone to eat for years wihtout making anything, much less them for years.

>>35458792
>why contain it?
Let it spill over to the schools and the churches
Let the bodies pile up in the streets
In the end, they'll beg us to save them.

Why are people ok with having their data collected, or being spied on?
>hurr it doesn't matter if you don't do anything illegal
It still bothers me

>>35459958
Hmm. I hope you're not underestimating the problem.

>>35459962
The same reasons they support things like taxes, work, and the police existing.