Is falling asleep a valid way to refute an argument?

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>thinking refuting an argument means it's wrong

>Even when it's cheaper to hire a woman, female employers would rather have more male workers than female workers

Why is that?

that isn't about how if a man comes up to and triggers you with facts you should fall asleep
it's about how women don't care about anything unless it confirms their world view.

>>35386166
Because men do their work while women fuck around.

>>35386128
>gender wage gap
>just make the workers change gender since it has become a meaningless word anyways
fixed

>>35386128
is this image ironic? This is a parody with the genders swapped right?

>>35386128
Haha those stupid men and their "facts", they don't even have vaginas.

>>35386163
So much this, it's so annoying arguing with someone responds with "that's an ad hominem", over and over again even though it's completely obvious that's what I'm doing, and it doesn't prove what I'm saying is wrong.

>>35386229
no, it's a comic mocking mainsplainers.

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>>35386128
THE SLEEPING BEAUTY TRILOGY BY ANNE RICE

NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.

>>35386128
Yeah the guy uses actually a lot, but do you have anything to refute his arguments?

>>35386328
>"mansplaining"
fuck this word triggers me. Im explaining something to you, just because I have a dick doesnt make it its own thing, cunt.

>>35386328
what the fuck is mainsplainers?

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>>35386166
>boss i'll be late today, have to drop off the kids
>boss i need to leave work early to pick up the kids
>boss i need 6 months off to raise my baby
>boss i know you invested in me and in my training, but i found a well-paid man to provide for me, good bye
>boss its that 'time of the month' need to take the day off
>boss i sucked off a CEO and he offered me a better paid job, good bye
>boss that bitch stacy is spreading rumors about me
>boss i need a day off for an abortion
>boss i got soooo drunk last night sorry im late
>boss i need a raise, a woman's got needs you know
>*strokes bosses leg* boss are you gay or something?
>boss i'm filing a sexual harassment lawsuit against you

>>35386327
Honestly if someone did the shit that you probably do and, for example, told me I couldn't possibly know that women's studies is a shitty major because I haven't finishes college yet then I wouldn't point out the fallacy, I'd stop talking to them. Waste of breath.

>>35386163
And then the opposite of this is people arguing based on gut feelings and anecdotes, winding up basing their deicisions on astrology and wasting thousands of dollars on homeopathic medicine...

>>35386327
why do you feel the need to insult your opponents in the first place anon

>>35386397
according to women/feminist, mansplaining is when a man explains something to a woman in a condescending way. But they usually throw it around every time a man has something to say. In this comic's case, it would be a man explaining a woman why she isn't opressed

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>>35386163
Fallacy Fallacy, just because an argument contains fallacies doesn't mean the original point of the argument is wrong.

Also, using logic in order to lie and manipulate is a shitty thing to do.

>>35386446
Because I was pointing out how much of a douche-bag they were acting to other posts and how pretentious they were being. Obviously this argument went no where since this person just kept using "muh ad hominem", and I even stated, yes, this is an ad hominem, and of course they kept repeating it over and over again.

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>>35386188

>night shift shelf stacker job whilst waiting to go into lab job
>men get put on the heaviest aisles
>women on the easiest like coffee/health and beauty/baby/chocolates/sweets
>complain when get given harder aisles like canned foods (isnt even that hard) or homebake
>usually on meat/non-foods/drinks/canned, all heaviest shit
>work fast as I treat it like a workout, lifting correctly whilst listening to music
>sometimes peak at other aisles
>9 times out of 10, women are chatting to eachother
>sometimes rumble aisles, where everyone gets put on one aisle to quickly finish it.
>girls still just do like 3-4 items, then start talking and barely get anything done
>boss is a major cuck who lets women do what they want.
>ratio of women to men is now like 3-1, cos men get overworked whilst women do fuck all
>complains/talks to you when literally at the same time hes giving you a talk, you can see the women talking to eachother
>leaving pretty soon, havent told my boss yet, two other males also leaving soon.
>gonna be fucking great when we all leave in short succession and nothing will get done.
>boss has to work extra hard sometimes and has given himself hernias and slipped discs, I feel happiness whenever he has an expression of pain while working.

>>35386365
She refuted it by falling asleep! If someone bores you then they're wrong

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>>35386128
One time a customer was bitching at me and I actually yawned on accident. One of those where you hold it but you can visibly see it when your nostrils flare and etc.?

Yeah the customer almost punched me in the face for that. Tbqh I was phasing out everything he was saying because he was complaining about customer service while I'm just a security guard by the door.

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>>35386128
So she's essentially admitting to ignoring reality.

>>35386411
Shouldn't an employee leave whenever a better offer comes along though?

>>35386128
Stop being a beta faggot and just say that women are stupid

>>35387140

Son
> With hard work and dedication he rose up the career ladder, his employers respect him and helped raise a productive member of society. He makes you proud.

Daughter
> She sucked a CEO dick and got a PA job under him , her employer regrets wasting time and resources on her. An embarrassment to you......

>>35387249
That's not what I asked. To climb the ladder, say your employer invests in your training and you gain the skills and experience necessary to jump ship and gain a better position in another company why wouldn't you do it? It's pretty cucked if you stay worse off out of loyalty to a company that values you less. The employer only trains you to increase the prosperity of his company. You're an asset. So why shouldn't they be a stepping stone?

>>35386642
Yawning means that you are actually trying to listen to the person even though you're tired. If you weren't making an effort then your body wouldn't bother moving the oxygen to your brain to deal with it.

>>35386608
I really wanna hear an update on this but I don't think I'll be able to

>>35386163
pointing out the fallacies of an argument is not an argument

>>35387311
Sure, but theres a reasonable timeframe to make the jump to a better job.

Depends on the industry you're in.

In a specialist/niche industry, If you get a high level of training and bail on the company within a short period of time, word will pass around, through references or otherwise that you lack loyalty/respect.

In a field of work where people change jobs all the time, the 'training' isn't anything substantial as they don't expect employees to stick around long.

>>35387461
Alright fair enough. I appreciate this advice. The thing is I've only been in a job six months but I'm not making enough to live on. I'm going to get a day's worth of training this month but if I can work in the same field and get more hours elsewhere, shouldn't I do it?

>>35386429
Both sides are equally annoying and devoid of actual argument.

>>35386163
>>35386327
>>35386527
>>35387432
>"all swans are mortal and socrates is mortal, therefore socrates is a swan"
>"uh, no that's completely faulty logic, classic example of fallacy of the converse"
>"POINTING OUT FALLACIES IS NOT AN ARGUMENT JUST BECAUSE I USED A FALLACY DOESN'T MEAN I'M WRONG YOU PSEUDO-INTELLECTUALS ARE SO ANNOYING REEEEEE"

>>35386527
Alligator detected

>>35387564
>implying socrates wasn't a swan

>>35387564
Except you don't need to use logical fallacies to argue for or against that, you can instead just use facts, logic, and reasoning.

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>>35387564
The truth isn't determined by who and how it's argued, the truth is the truth.

Just because they use a fallacy doesn't mean they're wrong, it's like if I said "Eating healthy is good for you because it's popular." Eating healthy is good for you, but the person argued that point using the bandwagon fallacy. That doesn't make them wrong.

In addition to that, we don't know what we don't know, so acting like someone is wrong because they used a fallacy is retarded.

>>35386128
i hate this comic '''artist'''

>>35387664
Highly illuminating post, anon.

>>35387735
Use of logical fallacies negates the validity of the argument, not the veracity of the conclusion. If you can be reasonably certain that your conclusion is true, you should be able to argue for it without resorting to logical fallacies.

>>35386655
It's pretty much playing dead until the right man comes along.

>>35387249
Let's not kid ourselves here, the son had to suck dick too

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>>35387564
i was talking about the stupid fucks that point out the fallacies with no other input and think that it counts as an argument, you fucking retarded piece of shit, no need to get so assblasted you imbecile.

identifying fallacies is not wrong, it helps as contructive criticism and as a way to refute false info, but using it as an "argument" is not right

FUCK YOU IM MAD KILL YOURSELF

>>35386608
>Work as a shelf stocker at target
>All my bosses are female
>They're some of the hardest working people I know
>Try to work fast, but they still fucking smoke me and get their shit done in half the time
Sounds like you just got shitty employees

>>35386163
That's called a fallacy fallacy, right?

>>35389317
Pointing out fallacies is never an argument, it's a demonstration of the invalidity of the opponent's argument. There's no need for a counter-argument unless there's a valid argument to counter.

Maybe if you made an argument with multiple points, and your opponent pointed out a fallacy in one of those points while ignoring the others, or if you insulted your opponent while making an argument and they mistook that for ad hominem, and dismissed your argument on that basis, you'd be right in saying they don't have reasonable grounds to dismiss your point, but if your argument is entirely fallacious then your opponent is totally justified in pointing out the fallacies used and leaving it at that.

>>35387735
>the truth is the truth.

How to lose an argument from the first go: the sentence.

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>>35386229
kek. today her voice is my voice

>>35386128
FAWLEN ASLEEP IS NOT A LEWGITMAIT FOARM OF PROATESTS YA UTTER FAKEN MORON

>>35387564
>this entire post
>strawman
>pottery