Which side will robots join in the upcoming culture conflict?

eh, if ever there was a real race war, I would wanna be on the side of equality.

I'm sure there would be members of each race that wouldn't even want a race war. The concept of one is fucking dumb anyways

>>35331581
The race war wouldn't be an actual war. It would be a meme war on the internet and on TV shows.
Whoever ends up looking dumber and more ridiculous will lose members and not be able to recruit new ones, and eventually lose.

>>35331618
Then, yeah, I would still meme neutrally or for equality

I do not support racial hatred but I am against multicult.

you guys obviously didn't learn about the 60s, 70s, and 80s in your history classes.

we're in the post-racewars now. black people get to play sports and rap and white people get to be engineers and shoot stuff and mexicans get to make babies and sell delicious food and jewish people get to run it all. everyone is happy.

i don't want a race war but i hate equality and social justice

>>35331685
>everyone is happy
>everyone
>forgets about BLM
>forgets about angry mexicans in trumpland
>forgets about angry middle easterners
>mfw

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>>35331500
The side of my skin color and values I cherish.
Deus vult.

>>35331707

>black people who can't play basketball or rap
>mexicans who get kicked out of their homes
>white people who can't read

honestly it's all white people's fault. if they weren't so insecure then the whole world would be okay. but they give women and black people the right to vote and still the world is alive and well.

>>35331691
Why do you hate equality and social justice?

>>35331500
The left already won all the cultural conflicts.

>>35331787
The last big one was the Cold War, which the right won.

If it happens I guess I'm shooting whities because I'm black. I like white people though, they bring luxury and consistency to society. I enjoy the comfy old couch covered in blankets in weed in my hand like every other nigga, but white people know what they're doing.

Asian side of course.

White refugees welcome. Bring cute girls with you though.

>>35331837

how was that a left/right situation? anyways, you're obviously forgetting about the LGBT marriage laws

>>35331755
Equality is nonsense. Some people are more naturally talented than others. Inequality and hierarchy are good things that make the world comprehensible.
Aesthetics and taste require an inequality of values - judging some things as more beautiful than others.
Striving to make the human beings more equal tends to make it a more unpleasant, ugly, stupid place to live.

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>>35331500
I'm mixed race but I'd side with the whites because they will fuck shit up when they want to.

>>35331500
White people side is going to win
So white people

>>35331837
>It's 2017 and an American thinks they won the cold war.
Your president is a Russian agent.

>>35331685
>everyone is happy.
There is currently a black supremacist terrorist organisation with mainstream media support in the United states.
Many European countries have been flooded with rapists and murderers from the middle east.

Surly only the dumbest ideologue could believe that anyone is happy with the currents race relations worldwide.

>>35331879
>Some people are more naturally talented than others.
Yeah and they can be finacially rewarded for their talent. Everyone should be treated equally though.

>>35331787
>The left already won all the cultural conflicts.
And is now disintegrating worldwide.
The Democrats in the US are nearly done for, Labour in the UK is barely relevant.

If that is what winning looks like to you...

>>35331500
>tfw mullato
what do in this situation, lads?

>>35331868
I said big one. Plenty of smaller ones - transgender issues, gay marriage, war in Iraq, immigrant situation in Europe, abortion laws, etc.

Obligatory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4REO0pucYY8

>>35331685
>history classes
>going to jewish indoctrination stations

>>35331879
>Some people are more naturally talented than others.
And a good way to find out who these precious individuals are is to give everyone an equal chance to express their abilities.
We'd be missing out on many "naturally talented" people by treating a certain race/ethnicity/religion/culture/sexuality like shit.

>>35332019
>Slavery has been abolished.
>Women have voting rights.
>Women have equal rights under the law.
>Schools are no longer segregated.
>People of colour now have equal rights under the law.
>Gay people can marry and adopt children.
>Religious service attendence at historic lows.
>It is now conservative to hold up all these values.
>The Republican Presidential candidate hugged a rainbow flag during the campaign.

The left won. I know right now you'll be all "of course women can vote" but it was the radical leftists who made that happen. Resistance to these changes is naturlaly a conservative position and then upholding the change is a new conservative position. There is no possible way for the left to not win culturally.

>35331990
>>35332048
Ideally, you want some sort of an equal standard for everyone to be judged by, but then that begs the question of who gets to determine that standard, and that's a question I doubt we'll ever find a good answer for short of some dystopia where we're ruled over by computers. Under any standard, there will be some people who bitch that that standard is culturally biased towards them.
However, trying to remove cultural bias is inhuman- Our particular unique biases and preferences (shaped largely by genetics and parenting) are part of what gives us a feeling of identity, of feeling rooted and comfortable in one's own skin.

>Abe Lincoln wanted to abolish slavery so he could send those nigs back to Africa
>got assassinated
Really makes you think

>>35332048
Don't try and reason with fascists who unironically support a caste system. They are right that some people are more naturally talented than others, they just don't relaise that in that case they're the otehr that everyone is more talented than.

>>35332097
Democracy works fine for the arts. Good songs get purchased more, and the author gets more money go make more good songs.

>>35332255
>fascists who unironically support a caste system
I dont know if you understand what the word fascism or caste mean.
No body in this thread had said anything even remotely "facist" or voiced anything even in the slightest arguing for a "caste system".

In actual fact, most people here are very reasonable and have understood that a society where everyone is both equal and free does not exist.

>>35332336
This very board is a society where everyone is equal and free. You can post about piss, food, politics, sex, anime or whatever, and your post is judged purely on its content, and not at all on your ethnicity, past posts, choice of clothes or whatever.

>>35332372
You're right, we should destroy all women so us robots can be equal. A man only world would be pretty great.

>>35332255
You're jumping to conclusions and arguing in favor of inequality is not the same thing as arguing for a caste system

>>35332272
you can't be serious
Democratic mass culture is a sewer. It's a race to the bottom. Garbage sells, and good art is relegated to small obscure niches on the internet.
Monarchy, fascism and hard-line soviet communism produced better art. All the best art under democracy comes from weirdo anti-democratic extremists or nihilists.
The artist mentality is inherently un-democratic- it's intense, pure vision, unspoiled by compromise or pandering to the masses

>>35332372
>is a society
It is not a society. People do not have to live together, the point about a society is that people are forced to live with each other and accept and respect the needs of others.

If I do not want to talk to you or I dont want you to talk to me, I can just click the x on my screen, there is no forced interaction here.

There is a large difference between a community (people willingly coming together to share common interests and cooperate, this is a community) and a society (people forced into interaction by location, culture and/or language).

A society is something that you are born into, something you cant "just" leave.

>>35332681
>its not good art unless nobody likes it

Hipster. Pop music is liked by most because its good. Hating on it is fashionable, even by those who like it, and thus those who don't like it think there is a consensus.
Protip: when somebody says they hate Beyonce or whatever, what they mean is "i like Beyonce, but i remember dad telling me i should be ashamed of it".

>implying you are educated and qualified enough to partake in space travel
>implying you had the money and guts in the past to sail major oceans

>>35332706
You can absolutely leave any society. Think about it for more than 2 seconds.
And consider the board /his/. Its a society where you have to get together with lefties, righties, religions, atheists, and so on. There is conflict, but since its free, equal and democracy does its job, the threads that most people find most compelling survive the longest.

>>35332710
but beyonce is objectively garbage

>>35332681
All good art is niche. By definition.

But i'd argue that communism and fascism produced good art. They really didn't, most of the art is propaganda pieces designed to look alluring to a common man. Literally all art in fascism and soviet communism was designed for mass appeal, your arguments are kinda invalid.

>>35332811
The musical community disagrees, as many artists want to work with her, many producers too, many shows give her rewards, and many people buy her works and attend her concerts.

I am sorry that you have a bad taste nobody agrees with and your favorite artist doesn't get support.
Must suck liking bad things nobody else likes.

>>35332730
>You can absolutely leave any society. Think about it for more than 2 seconds.
Of course you can, but that is a huge step and nothing you can "just"(meaning "without any thought and effort") do.

4chan boards are communities, because everyone is willingly coming together. A society is something loose, where people are uniting because of shared interests.

A society involves forced interactions, where people HAVE to interact with other people no 4chan board (or any place on the internet) is even remotely like that.
/his/ is not a society, a society is forced together becoming a member without being born in to it is very hard, leaving requires you to leave your complete life behind.

There is a great difference between a community and a society and they are not inflatable to one thing.

>>35332855
Do you define art as "expression of emotion that the viewer can relate to" or "display of mechanical skill"?

As in, do you think that a golden crown with many jewels and ornaments on it is more or less of an art piece than a broken skull with the hammer stuck in it, that is bleeding small coins?

>>35332899
>A society involves forced interactions, where people HAVE to interact with other people

Not true whatsoever. I barely ever interact with other people other than online. And I live in a big city.
If I was in my home village, I could spend years not talking to anyone other than telling the shop owner what to sell me.

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>>35332855
>>35332911
Is this good art?
It shows feelings people can relate to, and its masterfully crafted.

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>>35332955
And this shows less masterful art, and less feelings, but can be interpreted in different ways by different viewers. Which do you rate higher?
They are both typical communist art, are they both bad, and why?

>>35332911
I think functional art is as much of an art as any other.

>>35332955
Masterfully crafted, but stale and expressionless

>>35332929
You are not part of the society.

Not interacting with people means that you drop out of the society.

You can be surrounded by millions and still not be part of a society, if you can live your life without the need to interact with others on a deeper level you can live outside of a society.

>I could spend years not talking to anyone other than telling the shop owner what to sell me.
What do you think "leaving society" means?
Because it describes exactly that behavior.

>>35332986
It portrays one of the most powerful men in the world, whom viewers know as a glorious leader, as a balding old man in a dusty room, with newspapers used to cover the table so it doesn't get stained. The wallpaper in the background is even poorly applied, and the wooden floor is old. Lenin's coat is badly folder as well.
He is perfectly imperfect, as is his environment, and considering who he was this portrays a lot of emotion.

I disagree with you.

>>35333009
>you cant avoid interacting!
>yes i can
>so you aren't part of the society!

If you define "society" as people who can't help but interact, then yes, people in that society interact.
But this is just your shitty definition patching away the problem rather than solving it. Any person in a society who chooses to not interact with others for a while is no longer in the society, and when they interact they enter it, when they don't interact they leave it again.
So do I leave society when I go to sleep, or when I have the flu? Do I exit society when I go to take a shit for 10 minutes, only to rejoin it after I flush?

You define your terms badly in an attempt to avoid correcting yourself.

>>35332983
Meh, this one is just an elaborate propaganda poster. Pictures like this are on every other communist building that wasn't torn down yet

>>35332866
Of course the (((musical community))) disagrees. You're basically just appealing to authority/social status and popularity here.

I really don't get how people enjoy shit like Beyonce and Macklemore. It's just so fucking banal, cookie-cutter and gay. Shrill, autotuned melismatic vocals with some vapid message about saving the starving african children or being tolerant of homos.

Real patricians listen to baroque opera, black metal, nazi marching songs and vaporwave.

>>35332955
Socialist realism is nice. Abstract stuff like futurism and constructivism is more emotionally stirring, but I appreciate that a more highly refined artistic technique went into this.
>>35332983
Good stuff there by Diego Riviera. I saw the whole thing in person at the Ford Art museum in Detroit.

>>35333098
So do you define art as "piece that creates emotions I relate to", and call everything other people relate to garbage?

Seems so, since between two pieces, one showing skill and the other showing emotion, you chose neither, based on their communist background.

>>35331500
Goddamn I hope this happens. No more subversion crap just a good old fashioned slaughterfest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-H55V_oma0

>>35333046
>>you cant avoid interacting!
I said that a society involves people who cant force to avoid interaction
>>yes i can
So you are not part of society
>>so you aren't part of the society!
Exactly

And that is perfectly consistent, I also never tried to give a complete definition of what a society is, I tried more to highlight some important characteristics.

>Any person in a society who chooses to not interact with others for a while is no longer in the society,
obviously Yes. Have you read any definition of a society? It almost certainly involved interaction.
>and when they interact they enter it, when they don't interact they leave it again.
No. I think I was very clear about that. I said that it is not easy to leave a society.
You need to actively go out of your way to do it, it doesnt "just" happen, if you progress normally though life.

>You define your terms badly in an attempt to avoid correcting yourself.
Give a better definition that involves a 4chan board being a society.

>implying there is a race conflict
>implying this isnt drummed up media shit to keep brainless plebs like you from noticing how you are being brutalized into a corpo-government slave class

>HURR DURR WE MUS SECUR A FUTUR 4 OUR WITE CHILDRUNNNNNNNN

none of you pieces of shit who buy into this garbage will ever have children so what are you even fighting for

People have been saying that a massive race war could break out any second for like thirty years now. It's not going to happen. You were born just in time to see fucking nothing worthwhile happen.

How would a race war occur area wise. Would it be fought in individual cities or would different states purge, then form their own unirace armies.

>>35333708
If the federal government were neutralized and a war broke out, I don't think there would be two sides.
It's race war, class war, and culture war all occurring simultaneously.
Both the alt right and social justice left are fraught with infighting. Everyone thinks everyone else is a racist white supremacist communist nazi jew from canada.
Everyone against everyone. Your only allies in this conflict are whatever small little clique or band of misfits that you have built up.
If such a thing happens, it is very likely that at the end, the Juggalos will stand triumphant.

As long as the government is around, though, there will be something to rally to, and it won't be a 'race war' as people fantasize about- it'll polarize around party lines. It'll break down into NASCAR dads + alt right NEETsocs + sympathetic minorities vs. gangbangers and black bloc

>>35332983

FYI, that mural of Diego Rivera shown in Mexico City is not communist art, its' depiction transcends the western and eastern block politics and de facto fascist systems.

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Fuck anyone who says this isn't good art

>>35331685
this. I seriously can't believe that people think there is racism in the US. WE LITERALLY HAD A BLACK PRESIDENT, RACE IS OVER.

>>35334913
>RACE IS OVER
There is a black supremacist, terrorist organisation which is backed by the media, within the US.