Cubical Farms: comfy or soul sucking?

>>35286498
I wish I had a job in one of these

>>35286602
i think i'd put a tapestry on my cube wall just to make it different.

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>you will never be a young businessman living in a shitty studio apartment, trying to prove yourself in a cutthroat capitalist company

why live?

>>35286498
Why are these even necessary?

>>35286498

Soul Sucking.

>>35286602

No you don't.

>>35286498
Soul sucking, but better than sharing office space.

Worked many cubicle jobs before. It's soul sucking.

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>>35286498

I hope I get to work in a cubicle someday.

Looks pretty comfy to me. You can probably get away with doing almost no work in your own little fort. I've heard wagecucks talk about only doing 15 minutes of real work in a day but that could just be them downplaying how bad being a wagecuck really is

>>35286697
>>35286716
>>35286722
What's so bad about it? I'd assume it'd be good for robots since you get your own little space and everyone is walled off so you can keep to yourself for the most part

>>35286842
>What's so bad about it?

Nothing, those people just have no original opinions

>>35286498
This is probably because I have autism but I prefer it over open office environment because I don't have people around me. I don't need socializing and I dislike having people behind me or next to me when working on a computer.

>>35286498
For some reason it's both comfy yet incredibly depressing.

Part of why I'm enlisting next year.

I find it incredibly painful to drone on in your life, doing the exact same thing.
I'm amazed half these people didn't off themselves yet.

>>35286671
It's stressful as fuck to always be in view of others. People have died from it.

>>35286697

>get your own little space
It looks cozier than it is. There is constant noise and distractions from the cubes around you and people are constantly walking by.

>you can keep to yourself for the most part
I wish. There's no door so anyone can come up and bother you at any given moment in time and there's basically nothing that you can do about it.

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>>35286907
>It's stressful as fuck to always be in view of others.

true. i'd have to position my monitor not to be in view of passersby

fuck that looks bad. guess its better than a warehouse or retail cuck though

>>35286498
I honestly hate my cube. The florescent light sucks. There's so many distractions. Every 10 seconds someone walks behind me and I get that weird shudder you get when someone is too close to you

>>35287002
warehouse anons lose tons of weight tho. but they get back and knee issues if they stay there over 3 years.

>>35287021
Also, any conversat ions you have or phone calls you make are heard crystal clear by about 30 people. It's generally silent.

I would absolutely hate it. I can't ever imagine wanting to work 8 hours every day sitting behind a computer doing the same exact shit over and over again for the next 40 years. I guess white collar jobs aren't for me.

Even if it paid well, I feel I'd be miserable.

>>35286834
I'd hate having to be somewhere 8 hours a day but only actually work 15 minutes. If I'm going to spend that many hours a day on a job, I at least want to have tasks to do.

>>35287081
>doing

that's the thing. i don't mind it as long as i am actually DOING something. in most jobs I've had, there isn't usually enough work to go around, so you end up trying to look busy for 2/3 of the work day. looking busy is WAYYY more draining than actually doing comfy, repeatitive work

How do I get a cubicle job with a law enforcement and graphic design degree?

why not

I sit in front of a PC for hours even if I didn't have work

>>35287162
what do you do to look busy?

>>35287230

Browse the internet. Play with my phone. Same as 99% of todays office workforce.

All work under capitalism is soul sucking.

>>35287230

well i don't have this issue since I now have my own office with my computer facing a rear wall.

but when i had a cubical, i'd keep refreshing my email and keep pdf manuals open on my screen so there was always some sort or technical shit visible.

i have a cubicle officecuck job at a small company, about ~50 people work there. its comfy but can be soulcrushing

>enters bathroom
>sees feet under a stall door
>leave
>go up to next floor

>repeat until I find an unoccupied bathroom

>>35287257
that sounds easy
>>35287294
did you ever get interrogated about what you were doing by management?

>>35287002

Warehouse is much better than cuckables, mainly because you can break the monotony by walking around and doing shit

>>35287337
no. as long as my basic tasks are done and up to date, nobody asks what I'm doing.

though when I first started, I got assigned a computer that had some sort of malware that would create a web address of 6 random letters, add .com and try to access it in the background every 5 minutes.

I did get a visit form the company VP about that.

>>35286498
I work in a call center. It's filled with these. I'm not on the phones, I do social media and chat support for a shitty company. Everyone around me is always yelling into a phone at stupid people. People are always wandering into my cube and saying inane things or asking inane questions. Everyone is a comedian. I just want to get my work done. It is soul sucking.

I've also worked in retail and warehouse spaces. Those are worse. So...it's annoying, but it could be worse.

>>35287398
what is the warhouse breakroom like? I feel like it would be an insufferable room where people talk loudly and take football way too seriously.

>>35287454
>Everyone is a comedian.

examples?

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Better than fucking open space. Can't even fart in peace and everyone walking by sees you're playing counterstrike or just scrolled past a tranny with a huge cock on 4chan.

>>35287230
I click my mouse a lot. Open and close documents. It's boring as fuck. My company severally restricts the internet, so killing time is very difficult.

>>35287516
fuck everything about openspace

>>35287450
what kind of company do you work for? this question is original

>>35287540
a small manufacturer of network storage and backup hardware

>>35286498

Both, but mostly comfy. The soul sucking part comes from the fact that all work is soul sucking, and basically nobody has a cubicle in their own home.

The privacy that cubes provide is their greatest benefit. A closed off space all to yourself, ideally with the computer screen facing away from the open portion so nobody can see what you're doing, and with the walls too tall for anyone to see over.

It's the same thing as surrounding your yard with a fence or hedge, or using curtains or blinds. The knowledge that any faggot in the area can just look in on you whenever they feel like it keeps you constantly on edge. No man can truly be himself within the gaze of another. No matter how much someone thinks they don't give a shit, they ALWAYS have some form of mask on.

Basically this
>>35287516

>>35287504
This one woman, who is the size of a house, rolls into my cubicle on her chair all the time. She says things like

>ask anon about "round round, circle circle"

and starts laughing like a loon
I haven't a clue what the fuck she's talking about, and i'm not asking anyone anything. It's mostly stupid shit like that, inside jokes that I'm not inside. Everyone thinks they are funny.

>>35287650
>No man can truly be himself within the gaze of another.

truth right here

>>35286498
I'd love something like this. But that might just be because even getting a job in a soul sucking cubical needs a University degree and ten years of work experience.

>>35287475
When I was in a warehouse I avoided the break room like the plague. I went and spent my break in my car.

my cube is right next to both my supervisor and the director for the fuckin branch.

Still kinda comfy since I have dual monitors and I can browse time-waster sites on one while having work open on the other

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Those are infintely better than open workspaces though.
imagine being in downtime, and having people still walking behind you,and having to pull bullshit so you appear busy, only for some guy to notice and tell you "since youre fucking around, why dont you help me with this?"

Any fellow office workers browse 4chan at work?

I'm too scared to so I spend alot of time on reddit

it depends on the type of cube farm

one summer between semesters at uni i worked at a call centre (outgoing, the BAD KIND), the cubes were similar to OP pic. fucking terrible because that kind of workplace employs mostly barely-functioning adults who cannot be trusted with anything of value. no one except the lifers have a designated cube and are allowed to put their own stuff in it. everyone else is assigned a different cube on every shift to make sure you are not near your friends. i don't know why i did it all summer, i was cucked into thinking that i MUST HAVE A JOB AT ALL TIMES

however after i graduated uni i got a job where i had a cube that was about 4x as big, double-wide monitors, option for convertible sit/stand desk, near a window with a nice view, etc. and it was a lot better. i still wasn't a big fan of that job and ended up quitting to go back to grad school but i wouldn't be completely soul-shattered to work at a place like that for an extended period.

i'd much rather have a cubical than the horrible open arrangement that I have

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>>35287777
checkqueed

>>35287777
I do the same, I only occasionally browse on my phone in the bathroom but too many people can see my screen at the office for 4chan.

>>35287162
Why do jobs like this exist? Couldn't the company just fire 2/3 of their employees and have the remaining ones do actual work?

>>35287759
>since youre fucking around, why dont you help me with this?

Do people actually do that anywhere? Other than bosses?
Seems like a quick way to get spit in your lunch and your tires sliced.
Where I work it looks more like
>since you're fucking around, 1v1 me fgt

>>35287475
mine is comfy because most people are pretty young, there isnt too much talking and can sit on your own if you really wanted and they wouldnt care

>>35287257

>did you ever get interrogated about what you were doing by management?

Nope. As long as my work is done within the alloted time budget, no one cares.

>>35287834

I am right now. No one's in my office though - I have a key and can come in whenever I want.

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Definitely not as hip and with it as the totally awesome open-concept offices that are the code ninja's weapon of choice!
>wtf I'm fostering collaboration now?

>>35287846
>Why do jobs like this exist? Couldn't the company just fire 2/3 of their employees and have the remaining ones do actual work?


http://www.1380kcim.com/news/2016/japanese-study-says-lazy-workers-key-to-an-organizations-survival/

>>35287850
not really. if you want to get something done, give it to a busy person, not an idle person.

>>35287887
Working on a Saturday? That sucks

>>35286498
I've worked in Cubicals
I've worked in Open offices.
Cubicals are better.

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>work as a fucking janitor in a large 'open plan' tech company office
>filled with young men and women who are very successful
>whole place has a tryhard cool vibe
>bobbleheads on every single surface made to look like company staff
>beanbag chairs
>indian music playing
>wooden floorboards, bonsai trees etc
>it fucking SUCKS
>I am a fat, stupid and ugly man
>24 but look 40
>the workers in the office openly judge me as I walk past and try to clean
>make comments about me
>call me 'charred lard' because I came in wearing a T Shirt with flames on
>have to clean the office with them judging me
>have to nervously dust between bobbleheads
>sometimes they joke with each other that I have to wipe my cum stains from the female bobbleheads

This is the worst. at least in a cubicled office it wouldn't happen

>>35287777
i browse /r9k/ and /pol/ on w3m

>>35287777
My office is isolated and not a cubicle in an open place so I'm pretty much always on 4chan.

>>35287924
Depends what you do, and it's not as if most of us have any social life so working during the week or weekend doesn't change much except that it's more quiet during the weekend.

>>35288121
That's sexual harassment lad, you should complain to HR.

I work in a "bull pen" style office with those cubicles that are half as tall as the normal ones. It gives you privacy but you can just sit up really straight to see the person next to you.

DESU it's not bad. I am a manager so I can have a little bit of privacy while still being able to keep an eye on my subordinates. Of course I'd rather have a private office but it could be much worse. I could be working in food service or retail.

>>35287777
I browse it on my phone, secretly. Our computers are all monitored and everything is logged so I wouldn't dare browse anything not SFW

>>35288232
he is an independent contractor and not subject to HR authority

>>35287834
Just browse blue boards, it's not like every other post has a horse cock attached and even then the thumbnails are unintelligible from further than a couple of meters away.
To an uninformed normie this site probably looks like some weird forum/chat log from a distance.

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>>35286636
Why not some classic wood feel

>>35287516
>4chan at work

anon...

>>35288510
not wise... companies employ keyboard scanners. while you might visit a blue board like /g/... there will be no nudity, but that post about windows being a "nigger tier OS" will set off alarms.

>>35288590
>companies employ keyboard scanners

They legally can't unless they tell you about it, and in that case just don't type out nigger?
They can't sniff out your traffic, that's how https works.

>>35288590
It's okay, 4chan isn't a racist website

>>35286662
Looks like a bunch of kids/teens

Also that one guy actually has a flip phone

>>35287924

tax season. don't become a cpa.

>>35288708
its not a keyboard scanner faggot. it scans content.

also the company already has the web address and monitor your 4chan thread in the open web on their own. your https is worthless.

>>35288557
Name a website that is a better time waster.
I actually remember when 4chan didn't exist, I had to amuse myself with snopes and bash at work. The internet sucked back then.

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>>35288510
If you go to 4chan on the company network you are a fuckig retard.

As others have said it's better than open office. Btw cubicles were introduced to /improve/ open office and workers lives. I think the best you can hope for is comfy lighting, and no low fake ceilings.

>>35288767
>it scans content

Of what? Encrypted traffic?

>also the company already has the web address and monitor your 4chan thread

Yeah I'm sure they have someone sitting on the proxy monitoring your history in real time, opening the urls to see if one of the pages you viewed doesn't say "fuck" somewhere. Does all your IT security knowledge come from Mr. Robot?

>>35286498
They are soul sucking indeed. The fact that offices like that tend to be noisy makes it worse, though cubicles > open space. I still wish I had a cubicle job, though.

>>35288868
jesus christ I'm getting anxious just looking at this

>>35288708
>how https works.
You are fucking retarded. All they need to know is you are going to 4chan.org and yes they can see the images you see here in IT and HR.
4chan doesn't exactly have a good rep in normie circles and in your bosses 50 year old board rooms. Going to a site with porn at work even if you are not on the porn part is retarded, and the foxnews hackers, and the school shooters that post here, and the neo nazis. And guilty by asssoition is a very real thing in the real world

>>35288978
>and yes they can see the images you see here in IT and HR

How?
Sysadmin here, educate me.

>>35288978
Also pro tip, if it's not blocked on the company proxy, it's fair game. The IT guys probably browse it themselves.

>>35286498
Soul sucking, so fucking soul sucking. I've performed the exact same job in a cubicle as I have in my own office and there was something so much more satisfying about a proper office.

I've never worked in a cubicle. Are you allowed to put a roof on your cubicle? Make your own little office?

>>35289008
>Sysadmin here

really? where did you matriculate?

>pauses while you look up the word, "matriculate"

What kind of jobs will land you in a comfy office? I don't have a college degree

>>35289114
wanna answer me?

Cubicles with proper 5+ foot tall walls aren't bad, modern cubicles with walls under 4 feet are fucking horrible.

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I've been a landscaper, mover, soldier, mini mart stocker, office clerk, and warehouse worker. I'd take any of those over being behind a desk all day ever again.

Fuck that shit.

>>35289121
A lot of trade schools have programs that lead to office jobs too.

>>35289092

>not a blanket fort

Sorry, Anon. You're just not what this company is looking for right now.

>>35289153
>I've never worked for more than $12/hr
>fuck all the jobs that pay better than that

>>35286498
>that pic
Holy fuck, is the area really that large or is it just the perspective of the photo?
It's like a maze.

The alternative to this layout is open-plan.

My office is open-plan and it is fucking hellish.

>normies either side gossiping all day
>normies either side eating warm, spicy food at their desk
>normies either side turning personal heaters on despite it being March and despite the windows being closed 24/7
>normies either side constantly having their shit spill over onto my desk, leading to them accusing me of being anal when I push it back to their side
>normies either side listening to music so that I can hear it

I FUCKING HATE WORKING HERE. HOLY FUCK. I WANT TO FUCKING DIE. HIGHSCHOOL NEVER ENDS. NO RECESS. NO RECEEEEEES. NO RECESS.

>>35289224


being a normie sounds comfy as fuck

>>35287899
My office is like this.

The bright lighting alone all day makes me want to fucking kill myself. It's absolutely disgraceful, and in major cities it's merely a way of squeezing as many employees (or "bods" as my boss calls us) into a tight space under the disguise of it somehow making it a more casual, sociable environment.

>>35289224
I'm so fucking sorry, my first job after college was like that and it was absolutely horrible. My office had an extremely strict "no headphones" policy even though my job was just Civil 3D drafting work and it allowed me to concentrate better since people around me never shut the fuck up.

>>35287504

>Looks like someone has a case of the Mondays
>The meeting is about you, anon. You're too loud, you talk too much hahaha
>Imitating the voice of the boss
>(to someone who is dressed down a bit) Is it casual Tuesday?
>Dude beeer lmao
>Dude scantily clad 6/10 waitresses at Wing House lmao

>>35287516
My office is openspace but imagine that pic with the large open space on the right removed and the tables pushed closer together. All fucking day people are shoving my chair. All fucking day people are walking past my pc. All fucking day people are fucking stomping across the wooden floor next to me making my pcs shake. It's disgusting.

>>35287899
>Millenials actually prefer this over traditional offices

Not even a "lol Millenials" meme, this is just a scientific fact that multi-billion dollar companies have researched. Imperial Oil's new facilities are all like this since they want to appeal to the current 20 and 30somethings who will soon be the leaders of industry.

>>35289114
>>35289131
Are you frantically googling for any remotely feasible and/or legal means of tracking an employee's internet activity?

>>35289036
Oh children. It comes up when they want a reason to fire you, or someone gets bug up their ass for a precived slight and runs a covert holy war on you because they have worked there for 15 years and lost prespective.
>>35289008
From the image link address.
>>35289224
>high school never ends.
You now realize what they were training you for in high school, and it wasn't to be the owner. That's why the school seems to care more about attendance and you being obedient than grades.

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>>35289318

I think it's just a trend. Offices 20 years from now will look different too.....every era that comes into its own tries to put their own spin on the office environment.

>>35286662
>ywn be a qt office lady pleasuring your bosses to get quick promotions

>>35287659

Kek, for some reason I got a good laugh envisioning that.

Seriously though, if you're not in on it don't you think you're the butt of the joke?

>>35289403
Probably, but 20 years is a long ass time and I'll be middle-aged by then.

>>35289292
I've been here 3 years and I'm close to quitting. I've realized that I'm just waiting to be broken down at this point. I had a comfy position in the office a while back and I'd listen to music then on my headphones. But I was moved to another desk with a bright fluorescent strip light in my eyes all day, and when I cap my eyes with my hand to block it people say "hur dur is the sun in your eyes" or "your screens aren't that far away! hehehe". I have my monitors on a platform of sorts so that I ca look at them without hunching over but in doing so I then have this fucking light in my line of sight all day. It is so fucking warm but the girls in the office HATE fresh air and complain about it being cold even if the window is opened just a little bit. I opened it recently after maybe 8 people had used the nearby microwave to heat their spicy food and one of the girls said really loudly "oh, really!" hoping I'd overhear and close it again. Instead she just turned her heater way up making the office absolutely disgustingly warm. But this is what normies love. They lack sensitivity. They just want to live in an environment where they can be coddled into a state of dull semi-awareness and worship the collective status quo. My coworkers who is 35 currently has an ongoing in-office "game" with another co-worker where they flick each other's ear once a day by surprise to see who can flick the hardest. They giggle about it like fucking retards, yet they make a lot of money, far more than I do.

>>35289459

>middle-aged

Your prime office working years.

>>35289297

Is your life a popular comedy movie from 1999?

But really, it's too fucking accurate. I feel your pain.

However, I'm fortunate enough to have a few friends that aren't basic as fuck and are twisted, witty but genuinely give a fuck about each other.

I hang out with them, with the exception of my coworkers minimally just to keep the "he's normal and one of us" box constantly checked. I'm a social chameleon, but that doesn't mean I enjoy it.

>>35289475
Women are so fucking insufferable at office jobs. I worked for one year at a small company. We were only 8 in the office, counting our boss. The recepcionist/secretary was the only woman. We (the guys) would be always having some sort of good time, even when doing our job. Everyone was always in a good mood. But she was ALWAYS in a bad mood, and she was always rude to everyone but they let her get away with it. I was the newest guy and the one with the lowest rank, and sometimes it was just the two of us in the office and she would become 100% more of an asshole, even though I was doing my job properly. She just wanted to make my life miserable because she knew I couldn't do anything about it because I was the new guy. She single-handedly made it hell to work there for me. One time she got sick and missed work for a week. That was the comfiest week ever.

>>35289395
>From the image link address.

No they won't. Only that you accessed 4chan.org, everything else is scrambled.

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>>35286498
I don't get why people complain about these, you basically just get to sit on a computer all day in a private cubicle instead of doing real labour. I already do that anyway.

>>35289896
Most people who have worked in cubicles have also worked physical jobs, so when they say it's worse than the physical job, they probably know what they're talking about. While I prefer my office work, there are days when I long for the physical labor, as there are aspects of officework that suck dick and are unique to it.

>>35289395
The school gets money for attendance though.
There's no ulterior motive behind it.

Im working since half a year a 99% office job.
I look that I get some experience but in a bit I will change it I guess because I want something else to do than answering e-mails and filling out documents.

>>35286498
I did my masters degree in a uni office which was open-plan and it made me nearly suicidal. Despite doing well, after I finished I dropped any idea of continuing my studies or working in my field and got a physical and low level wagecuck job instead. So much happier.

>>35289963
((Money))
Who do you think made that rule? And what about the caring about you being obedient more than grades?
Wake the fuck up

>>35290135
The federal government likely did to sort out funding.

>>35288121
charred lard
my sides

>>35290070
why didn't you just look for a job that didn't use an open setup?

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>>35290135
Oregaynoooooo

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>Private office with window view of a little garden
>Work is in no way exciting however there is so much different aspects I'm never really bored of the work since I'm almost always doing something different
>MILF Boss has made it clear she does not like me however knows I am good at the job. Literally only person I don't get along well with
>Coworkers often include me in drinking outings even though I don't really fit in
>Want to ask a qt intern out for coffee

>>35286498
Cubicals aren't a thing, anymore.

The modern mass office is desks facing eachother, to always be in view of (manager) your team mates, and be able to (monitor) network with eachother. It's ok, though. All that ugly wood and metal is replaced with shiny, bright white plastic, and lime green.

>>35287081
>I can't ever imagine wanting to work 8 hours every day sitting behind a computer doing the same exact shit over and over again for the next 40 years
If you're doing the same white collar job for 40 years you've fucked up.
You get promoted/side-promoted

>>35286498
I had one of these before I started working from home, I guess it would depend on the what your exact job is. Mine was data entry of sort and I was honestly considering suicide before they let me start working from home (I still am if I don't find a new job soon). It was a fucking mental hell.

>>35287516

I've worked in this style of office before and it is absolute worst possible. All the shitty parts of cubicle work and none of the pseudo privacy.

It's also really inefficient. You get more smalltalk socializing between employees and less work done.

>>35290787

Given a choice between that type of office and heavy construction, I will pick construction every time. I would rather be killing myself trying to throw up a house frame in -20 below weather than work in an open concept office.

>>35290838
what's so bad about it? the volume of work? the monotony?

>>35291196
>the volume of work? the monotony?
For me both like I said it probably depends on the job though, mine is timed data entry, if you don't do so much a day you get scolded and eventually threatened to be fired which meant that the office was almost silent, just people typing and hoping they make the quota. I really can't handle the stress of hoping some random order doesn't fuck my numbers for the day.

>>35286671
Because they work

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>tfw desk job
>tfw have my own office
>tfw office door has a lock

>>35289896
that's like saying

"ooh you like working at computers? here's 10 hours of audio I need you to transcribe"

the joy of computers doesn't come from being in front of one... it comes from what you use them for.

>>35291289
that sounds pretty shit, i can't believe they haven't got that sort of thing automated by now

>>35291114
I'd go with contracting, but anyone you work with is meth'd out or Mexican, and it's 112f, with 80% humidity, and evil sun.

>>35286498

one cube in that picture has no entrance or exit

>triggered

>>35291620
I'm not going to get to into it because I work for a fairly small but instantly recognizable company, but what we were doing isn't automatable, we're correcting robot/computer errors so in the future they can be automated. We're essentially working to make ourselves irrelevant, not that that'll happen for a real long time, the software we were working with was shit and the devs seem to run into a new problem every few seconds.

>>35287276
what do you suggest we do instead of capitalism though? Im genuinely interested not trying to be a dick

>>35291735
>his cubicle walls don't move like Hogwarts

>there are people in this thread complaning about their desk jobs while they never worked in a mcdonalds kitchen

>>35291801
>we're correcting robot/computer errors so in the future they can be automated.
interesting, thanks for sharing

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>>35292009
i would love to work in a mcdonalds kitchen

>>35292017
>interesting, thanks for sharing
sure thing friend, hopefully no one else here ever ends up in this shitty soul crushing job

>>35286697
try being a dishwasher, faggot

>>35286498
Soul sucking.

t. guy who works in a cubicle for a big company

>>35292009
Why would you subject yourself to McDonalds when you can just work at Subway or a Grocery Store or something?

>>35287777
You'd have to be completely retarded to browse 4chan on a company computer. This site has such a bad reputation in real life that you'd instantly become "that guy" if someone found out.

I do usually take 2-3 15 minute """bathroom""" breaks throughout the day where I'll just sit on the toilet browsing 4chan on my phone.

>>35292009
>have worked in retail as a cashier, in fitting rooms, stocking inventory overnight, on the floor, and as a seamstress for companies ranging from a custom costume store to a comic book shop
>have worked in food service for a shitty chain cafe, Starbucks, and a hole-in-the-wall Indian restaurant
>have worked as a fucking sign twirler where I had to wear shitty costumes and stand in the desert sun for hours on end
>have even been in the USMC
>working a desk job now
>every single day my coworkers gripe and bitch and moan about how bored they are or how stressful the job is
>I have literally never been happier
>bust my ass when there is work to do and do a damn good job of it
>every day that I have down time is a fucking blessing
>I get paid to sit on my ass in an air conditioned building and the worst thing I have to worry about is having to use my brain or deal with office gossip

Anyone who complains about desk jobs is spoiled. Don't tell me about the mental strain of being pressured during data entry or the social pressure of a bunch of women in your office. Compared to practically any other job is is not hard and it is not that stressful.

>>35292253
I've worked both. Skilled cubicle work and low end retail/hospitality shit. Both are stressful in their own ways. But I can guarantee that nothing in retail/hospitality can match the stress of having to produce an accurate report with low time constraints.

>>35292253
Some deskjobs are crazy stressful though. Jobs where you simply have so much work to do that you have to always be working at 100% while at your desk, and if you don't get it done you're done. Not saying that's worse than physical labor, but that time crunch can be stressful. Luckily I've never had that, but many people in my field do, and many of my classmates have jobs where they have to work plenty of unpaid overtime just to avoid being drowned under the immense workload.

>>35292368
>>35292382
I've worked plenty of weekends and had days where I had to stay late, but I still don't see the problem with being expected to work the whole time you're at you're job, and being expected to do that work accurately. That should be a minimum requirement for any job, shouldn't it be?

I understand being in a situation where you need your job so badly that you'll be willing to do things like work unpaid overtime but the majority of the complaints I was reading in the thread were not about being crushed under an immense and inescapable workload, it was about the pressure of the work environment.

>>35291810
Communism and everyone will only work 4 hours a day for 2 days a week.

>>35292009
How many times did you burn your hands on the grill this week?

>>35286904
Same. I've worked jobs where you have your monitor literally set up in a way that forces you to be face to face with the person at the desk across from you and it is so immensely stressful I could barely stand it. They are literally looking right at you 8 hours a day. Cubicles are way better.

>>35292616
>grill

>mcdonalds

>>35292668
yeah you never worked there

In the wagecucking world, it's the best option.

>>35287475
Generally for all my warehouse jobs we shared a break room. But ours would be more or less the same just with less polish and more borrowed shit from the store house.

>>35289447
I found out what it refers to later, I just refused to indulge her at the time.

Someone was trying to describe "The Karate Kid" and said:

>you know, the round round, circle circle movie!

He meant:

>Wax on, Wax off movie!

English isn't his first language.

>>35287475
The breakroom at the warehouse I work in is quiet, most people that were there keep to themselves and there's only ever like 3 people in it at a time.

>>35287516
How the fuck could anybody get any real work done in such an environment? It's even difficult to study or do work in the Uni lab let alone a job in this shit.

>>35286671
Because they need to answer phones and those walls absorb sound.
Also if you put someone in a room that small they'd go insane. This way there is community.

>>35293144
Good for collaborative work. Also most people aren't anti-social as heck like most of the cucks here seem to be.

>>35292253

Whatever dude. You try doing doing 200 hours worth of work in two weeks to beat a government mandated deadline and tell me how much fun it is. Try dealing with clients that will sue you if you screw something up or threaten your professional license. It's not all sitting in AC and dicking off online - some of us actually have real responsibility

>>35289092
No.

But I brought dozens of model airplanes to my employment pod and spent an inordinate amount of time playing with them. I was the greatest fighter pilot ever.

Then they moved my cube. The girl moving my shit broke the propeller off one of my models. I gave the broken one to her and took the rest home.

I would have been mad, but she was attractive and friendly. Completely insane though...

>>35293302
I'll take having a job with ridiculous hours with serious ramifications if I fuck up over a job where I'm verbally abused and barely get paid for what work I can get at all. Some people might prefer working in an environment where their actions have no consequence, but I will always prefer office work. Maybe if you're so miserable with your hours and responsibility you should look for work in another field?

>>35287780
What was your major? What job do you have now?

>>35287134
>8 hours a day
That's an old meme; the reality is more like 10-12 hours a day with a 15 minute lunch break that you eat at your desk while you continue working.

>>35294409
>tfw I logged 117 hours last 2 week pay period

Half our generation is unemployed, the other half is overworked to the point of insanity. How the fuck does this make sense?

Comfy if you have a job you like.

Soul sucking if you have a job you hate.

>>35294576
42 hour work weeks are going to feel like we're on vacation once things slow down -- I really hope they slow down ;_;

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>>35286498
How do you get into this cubicle?

>>35294763
The question isn't how you get in, it's how you get out

>>35294409
yeah the people who really have it going on aren't working 40 hours a week.

if you have skills of actual value, you will be asked/required to work far beyond 40 hours a week.

>used to work at an outbound call center
>50 people in the same office
>all talking on the phone constantly
>it was hell

Now I work as a nurse( in Germany)
>always understaffed
>clean shit/puss/urine/blood of from patients
>deal with crazy patients and crazy relatives
>deal with often arrogant or lazy doctors
>90% of coworkers are female and they always bitch at each other and plot against each other
>people die
>sometimes work three different shifts in one week

Still like it and it's way Better than the call center

>>35287899
This actually looks more horrifying to me than the cubicles.

>>35287899
>all those desks having two monitors

Unless you're doing CAD work, why do people even need this?

>>35286602
You're better than that.

>>35294763
cuck door under the desk

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>>35287516
>>35287899
>>35288868
Software developers don't have these open office things r-right?

I thought I could be solitary while working as a programmer right?

>>35286662
Third guy from the right seems to be having fun

>>35296522
Open office is more common in software companies anon. Yes, it sucks.

>>35296073

Maybe they do a lot of writing. I often wish I had three monitors and that's just for home use.

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>>35296522

>be computer programmer
>work in open office environment
>everyone sees everything
>it "inspires a free flow of information when everyone is equal"
>be forced to go on week long retreats with coworkers at resorts way out in the woods for teambuilding
>mandatory team building exercises at the office like parties, group outings, motivation speakers, and office games.
>in evaluations, my performance in the above activities is weighed the same as my programming performance

>>35296522
I'm a web dev and we have this. I pray for a cubicle every day as my soul drains a little bit more

>>35287777
I do. But on my phone. I work IT with 2 other people in a large room, so my office is away from others.

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you guys really think you would fit in?

>>35296775
>forced weeklong retreats

Is this a common thing for most jobs? Do they at least pay you?

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post more cubical farms

The movie Office Space wasn't just a meme. It was real.

>>35296946

I wouldn't say it's common, but it's also not rare.

Yes, of course we are paid. But in reality, our retreat days start a 8 am and don't wrap up until 8 pm. They are full of scheduled activities, meetings, brainstorming sessions, and group meals.

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I work in a cubicle farm but I work at home on Monday and Friday plus we have high walls and the cubes around me are empty so I don't think I'm getting the full soul-killing wagecuck experience. I started nearly a year ago and these conditions really eased the transition from NEETdom to 40 hours a week. I don't know if I would have made it if I had to be in there every day, every cube had a normie in it and the walls were low.

>>35296775
Is it actually "normal" to like this crap? Do people just tolerate it?

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>>35296775

This is how offices get shot up

>>35297113
The president said his ideal employment candidate has much talent as possible while having the smallest ego possible.

When you have an office full of specifically chosen docile people, you can make them do a lot of shit without anyone questioning anything.

>>35286498
This is spectacular. However, recently, companies with free addresses are increasing depending on the type of job. I doubt whether they are making achievements by being gypsy.

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>>35297204

remember anon.... we are having a holiday sweater party on Friday. be sure to dress to impress. wouldn't want to have to write you up again for not being a team player

I feel bad for you open office environment guys. I like my little office tucked away in the data room of the company I work for.

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>>35286498
Its all about whose actually around you and the work you are doing.

The Good:
>Chill black people
>Middle aged people
>Asians
>Headphone people

The Bad:
>Any more than 2 women adjacent to one another (aka the thunderdome)
>The woman who is always asking for help
>Neurotics/Hotheads
>Street Blacks
>Spanish-speakers
>Loud political opinion person
>Fantasy Sports league guy

The Ugly:
>Fats
>The Acne scarred
>Neckbeards
>Mass shooter archetype
>"I have a masters degree"-person

My work is semi-open and it sucks. Our computer's only use Chrome to access one thing and can't connect to anything else outside.

Fucking kill me

>>35296522
You'll have a dozen companies to choose from, at least when you have a bit of experience.

>>35297396
>The Acne scarred
DELETE THIS!!!!

Hey guys, check out this rad joke:
pubicle

Man, corporate culture is weird. I'll never understand that kinda stuff. I wish I could be librarian or a park ranger or something, that'd be nice.

>>35292009
I worked at McDonald's.

It wasn't so bad but I wouldn't know better considering that was the only job I've ever held.

My coworkers were somewhat chill, even though about 2/3 of the staff were black. There was one white qt that worked with me, so it wasn't so bad.

>>35294763
secret tunnel

I used to volunteer in a legal aid center for hours, now I'm studying a bachelors of law.

> The lawyers worked in an open plan setting.
> One would ask a question about this piece of legislation or to fill out this form and then everyone would weigh in for 10 minutes.
> "I don't know... i'm not sure" Would be the result.
> there were 3 interview rooms which were small and served as a place to "get things done"... when the open office had failed to deliver results

I worked out the front in reception
> Same lawyers who complain about not having the time to work on cases would complain about how we handled calls.
> They would write A4 pages of how to answer a call and take messages so that it would be impossible for us to hand on a simply 'this client called and needs to speak to you about his case, their fairly desperate, it might be better if you take this'.

I think the reason for this was they were chatting and bludging in the open plan office and failing to get any work done, so if a client did call that would add work on top of their own lists.

>>35296935
>you guys really think you would fit in?
the more boring the office, the better I think I could fit in there. Like that cube farm you posted looks pretty comfy.

Thing is, like many others mentioned, normies hate that shit and want open-plan offices so they can yak all the time, along with """""fun""""" crap like fooseball tables or whatever. And management eats that shit up because of buzzwords about "collaboration".

I don't think wagecucking would be so bad in a quiet office with your own cube where you were for the most part just given work, a deadline for it to be finished, and then left alone to do said work. But I also don't think there are many, if any, jobs left that are like that.

>>35296073
to have multiple related files open at once, e-mail and IM, to look at the markets

>>35293144
if you actually have legit work, then at some point you will need to get it done.

>>35292009
This. Fast food sucks. Heck I'd rather deal with open floor seating.

>>35296073
One monitor to look at plans and specs and another monitor to run engineering software used to design what is to be shown on the final set of drawings is one example among many.

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Uhmmmmm can we talk about this for a second

>>35296775
>>be forced to go on week long retreats with coworkers at resorts way out in the woods for teambuilding
>>mandatory team building exercises at the office like parties, group outings, motivation speak
>>>in evaluations, my performance in the above activities is weighed the same as my programming performance

agile was a mistake

>>35299536
dibs on that cube

>>35299536
It is due to the illusion of the eyes

>>35299630
seriously how the hell does this work

>>35289292
>Civil 3D drafting work
I want to do this type of stuff, currently studying Industrial Design (year 2 starts tomorrow)

How fucked am I? Is it aids?

>>35288121
>call me 'charred lard' because I came in wearing a T Shirt with flames on
Hahahahahahahhaahahah

>>35293452

>Maybe if you're so miserable with your hours and responsibility you should look for work in another field?

I think you might be right.

>>35296935
You can tell how old this is, not just by the CRT screens but because everyone has a reasonable space around them for personal stuff, and work stuff, notes, etc and plenty of space between them and the next person so you don't here them breathing and pencil scratching.

I walk by everyday an office that has cubicles a third that size AND 2 people in every cubicle, AND it's on the first floor with big long windows so every homeless guy can look in

>>35293452
Why do you sound like such a bitter wagecuck who thinks office work is so easy? Lmao and the unfounded superiority conplex, it's hilarious.

>>35294409
Because you can maximize your profits by paying one salary instead of two.

Nowadays these comfy motherfuckers are considered bad

Now you're forced to share a desk with pajeet I'm a room full of other pajeets

>>35286498
I would love to work in a comfy cubicle.

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>>35286498
comfy only if i dont need to intereact with ppl too much desu, but it could fuck up your back and cause bad eyestrain
t. neet of 6 years with a fucked up back and eyestrain

>>35289153
Tinker, tailor, soldier, sailor, rich man, poor man, beggar man, thief.

>>35292044
>you will never visit sweden while it was still white

why live

>>35297396
>The Ugly:
>Fats
>The Acne scarred
>Neckbeards
>Mass shooter archetype

that's everyone on this board

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>>35286498

I think it's comfy. You get to have it just the way you like it.

>>35287194
emergency dispatcher

been at mine for 2 years, pretty comfy

just sit and listen to music and enter data, minimal human contact unless I do it myself and I get paid a decent amount

way better than the normie infested hell that is college

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I wish I could have a comfy cubicle job like that. Unfortunately managers and millennials have ruined it all with their insistence for offices designed around the latest buzzwords.

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Do engineers work in offices like that?

>>35303946
I think engineers work on auto shops fixing cars anon

>>35286842
People are fucking loud. Officers are trending towards lower cubical walls.

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Please god have this shithole burn to the fucking ground.

>shit music blaring out at all times,fucking ''live'' videos of ''dj's'' like that faggot martin garix or other horseshit
>bitch hr whores thinking they're hot shit
>the sole nigger in the whole building hitting on every white woman,despite the fact that he's 5'6 and already married to a 2/10 landwhale and has a kid with her,all while getting away with it cause lol niggers
>retarded spics and niggers demanding top tier phones then getting ass mad when their shit credit score doesn't even qualify them for the ''free'''phones

Fuck Sprint,fuck those shylocks and their jewery and also fuck all the morons they have as customers, I swear 80% of them are retarded nonwhites that should be deported

Fuck this place,never ever take a call center job

>>35288978
>They can't sniff out your traffic, that's how https works.

Uh, yeah they do. They just install a certificate on your computer and MITM all https sites.

>>35288121
I'm sorry to hear that anon, hopefully you'll find a better job, praying for you brother.

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When I got my first professional job, it was jarring and I hated my cubical as well as the farm so much. Over time though, once I really got comfy with the job, I really came around to it and now I love it. I'm a network engineer, and being able to design and develop stuff peacefully and quietly is awesome. I dont give a fuck if my coworkers can hear my calls because it lets them know I'm actually doing my job.

>>35294763
You don't

2 seconds oregano

>>35286834
It's true if you work for the government. Some days I only do 30 minutes of work per day. Most days are probably closer to 2 hours, just because I get bored of surfing the web.

I have a co-worker who does absolutely nothing. He just reads his Kindle all day. After 2 months of that they just moved him to a department where nobody does anything rather than fire him.

People at my organization make between $60k-$120k per year depending on time in service.

Shitpost #4

>>35304412
elaborate,what is your field and what does your job description say youre supposed to be doing?

Is there anything worse than the infantilisation of the tech industry?

No, you're not a "code ninja" for fuck sake. Open plan offices don't make people work better.

No I don't want to sit in a fucking "ideas forest" eating organic shawarma with a bunch of utter cunts.

I don't care how trendy you think you are. Naming meeting rooms after pop culture references just makes you look like an utter prick.

>>35304654
>Naming meeting rooms after pop culture references

companies actually do this?

>>35286498
Seems pretty comfy to me but I could be wrong. You can set up your cubicle to your personal tastes and if it gets noisy, i doubt any one would care if you put in some earbuds and listen to some music.
>>35286602
sounds like the perfect robot job

>>35288531

>Chad does it its refined and tasteful

>you do it and its spergy, weird and everyone thinks you're a serial killer

>>35305358

Yeah at CBS their meeting rooms are named after star wars shit.

>>35304222

Glad you left then?

>trips

>>35286697
Naw I disagree. My current job is much more soul sucking than any cubicle job.

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>watch company made music video made at College Humor's headquarters office in 2007
>open office design
>not a single black or pajeet

it was a simpler time

https://vimeo.com/173714

>>35305487
still fucking horrible imagine working there

>>35305539
>>35305539
I would imagine it was pretty decent compared to other low skill jobs.

>>35304654
this lmao sad is most programming companies are like this I had an interview a few days ago and their office is just annoying it was also obvious that the women that are working there are just leeching from the beta males.

>>35305856
>tfw work in a tech startup
Everything was fine until women broke into development like pigs break into a potato acre.

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>>35305358
>>35305384
>>35304654
>job interview recently at a tech company
>interviewer 1 is a chirpy 20 something woman, obese
>interviewer 2 is a numale, probably orbits her
>'haha, anon, we work hard but we like to have fun. Tell us, what would you name your computer?'
>nu male interviewer laughs
>'My computer is called 'Yoda!'
>fat woman laughs
>'and mine is called 'coffee' because I can't get any work done without it!'
>try to join the banter
>'ww-w-well if that is the criteria maybe your computer should be called snack time!'
>they both look at me and go very stone faced
>'bbecause you can't do any work without snack time'
>'just a joke ha I'ld probably call my computer Mario'
>the fat woman looks enraged
>'well that isn't creative'
>rest of the interview is done in very formal way
>on the way out try and take a banana from one of the fruit bowls in the office
>'those are for employees only'

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>>35304424
Shitpost #5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK_LN3XEcnw

>>35286498
Both. I've worked in one of these for 10 months.

NEET here, how do I get a part time cubicle jockey job? Also I can't sit for more than 20 minutes at a time, so would need to use a standing desk or perched laptop

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>>35303946
I have my own office because it needs to be able to be locked when I'm not there for security reasons.

>>35306540
>NEET

you do not get a job. period. NEET time is more toxic than prison time when it comes to resumes. there isn't a workplace on this planet that is going to cater to your needs (unless perhaps you are a minority).

>>35306569
l'm a Jew

>>35306363
Hahaha oh shit thank you anon

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>>35286498
My dad has been sitting in the same office for the past 26 years, when I visited his job mostly everyone else had a cubicle which looks boring. Sure you get to personalize it to an extent but there's no room to stretch or even any Windows.

Screw you autocorrect for capitalizing windows, I'm not talking about the software

>>35289896
try imagining doing 8-12 hours of homework straight everyday. It's pure dronework

>>35304654
So glad I didn't go into tech. I was so close. Went for engineering and it's full of robots like me.

>>35306363
>>'those are for employees only'
I like. I guess this is their way telling you they have found somebody better suited for the job (but we are keeping your file on record and call again).

>>35306598
Unless you have jew connections that means diddly.

>>35296775
>programmer
>don't work in SV
>office is in a commercial park instead of in the downtown heart of a big city
>main HQ is an hour's drive away on a good day so our boss is only in our office 2 days a month
>don't have to deal with this kind of shit like open offices and "everyone get around for a group hug!"
Sometimes I'd like to change cities or at least move somewhere less rural but from what I've heard it doesn't sound like SV is anything near what it's cracked up to be

On the flipside, commuting sucks here because this town was obviously not built for the amount of daily traffic it gets now

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>>35286498
I'd rather work in a cubicle than the shitty open offices I've worked in before.

>all of the regular staff sit at different sides of square tables dotted around the room
>directors and managers of the company sit in a long line at one end of the room
>my back is turned to all of them
>felt like i was being watched 24/7 every shift i did

was stressful as hell and i ended up quitting

>>35306756
How do I get Jew connections

>>35306823
It's easy, just be born into a rich family that already has jew connections and they pass them on to you.

>>35296073
I used to think like this before I started doing a lot of programming work. Now when I'm trying to juggle some reference document, a web browser, a file manager, a terminal and an IDE all at once, I can definitely see the benefits of a second monitor. A second monitor is only like $150, too. The only reason I haven't picked one up for personal use at this point is desk space.

>>35306417
Was she forced to take that picture? The blank "please let this end" stare makes it offputting

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My office is open plan and I do useless shit on my computer all the time because as long as my output is OK it doesn't matter what else I do.

If you don't have the same terms where you work, find somewhere that respects you.

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>>35288121
>charred lard

>>35306945
no, it's exactly why it works

>>35288121
That sucks, is any more proof needed that the open office layout appeals most strongly to the infantile?

>>35304578
Engineering. Supposed to be writing technical instructions, drawings, etc. But since it's essentially impossible to fire federal employees once you get past your 2 year probationary period, you can just do the bare minimum and collect your paycheck.

>>35287777

I browse on my phone, and i have a privacy screen on it

>>35286498
In my office we have work stations with walls and dividers but not cubicals. The work stations seem to be fine for most people, i guess there's not as much privacy tho

>>35287777
On my phone i do

>>35286498
well at least it's not open plan

god I hate open-plan

>>35307459
privacy screen on your phone? like one of those stickers that makes it so you can only see your phone screen if you are directly in front of it?

>>35307830

yeah exactly, you just clean your screen and lay this adhesive clear sticker over it. If you look straight at the screen, you see perfectly and if you turn it about about 30 degrees in any direction it blurs all to shit and any further it looks like it's off.

>>35307887
wow that seems extreme. but you gotta do what you gotta do

>>35307887
>mfw they make gadets now to simulate shitty first generation flat screens

>>35305376
nah dude, chad would never do that. for anyone who does that it would be spergy and weird

>>35286905
>I find it incredibly painful to drone on in your life, doing the exact same thing.

This is why I didn't go to college. Being locked into one career for your entire life would drive me insane.

>>35307972
Banks, insurance companies and other offices that deal with sensitive information have a good reason to use them and they're less of a hassle to use than the plastic frames around monitors that you see in some offices where you have to look down the frame like it's a tunnel

Personally I'd use one just because people looking over my shoulder annoyed the hell out of me when I was a kid living at home and it still bothers me a bit

>>35307953

the number of people who have commented on it has made me realize motherfuckers try to see what you're doing on your phone all the time

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>>35286498
>Tfw Work From Home
>no need to interact with strangers
>no hourlong unpaid commutes
>can work in my underpants while eating junkfood
>listen to podcasts and music instead of some fucking coworkers chit chat

Get on my comfylevel Cubicucks

>>35308584
but you are depressed due to lack of social interaction

>>35308584
Comfyness is only worth it when you have a gf to cuddle with. Bought a completely new set of bed sheets and blankets, super comfy, it's raining and cold outside - but yet I feel nothing.

>>35308584
how to work at home

>>35308627
Who said I have no social interactions? I have to roommates who are my friends who I interact with daily and other friends too. I'm just not forced to interact with people I would never hang out with if I wasn't paid to do so.

>>35308661
There are a lot of options. Online Teacher, Transscriptionist, Customer Service etc.

I work as a Freelance Designer and do Editing for a Video Production Company. Only Have to talk to the clients and managers once in a while.

>>35288121
so why are you a janitor?

>>35286498
comfy as fuck.

you can do whatever you want as long as you hit deadlines. nobody bothers you. when i had any downtime at jobs where i don't have my own cubicle i was always stressed out that people could be judging me, or people would have retarded political/sports conversations which gave me a headache.

"soul sucking" depends on the job itself. if you're in sales/marketing/customer support, you're a dumb cunt and you deserve to be cucked. having an open office wouldn't make that job any better.

>>35300290
I really enjoy it, and it pays pretty well. That being said, be aware how hilariously surface level your courses are, and you may be expected to master processes hundreds of times more complex than anything you've seen in school ASAP. Either way I really like doing drafting work since I get to sit in a comfy office all day and actually make something at the same time; most professions can't say that.

>>35303946
Many do, many don't.

>>35304412
>tfw this is the dream

The guy who had my job before me left to work for the government to do this. I plan on being where you are in 3-5 years, see you soon buddy.

>>35308915
time goes by soooo slooooow in government offices. so little work to go around and such booooring coworkers

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Better working in an office, staring at a computer screen 8 hours a day, rather than in a logistic warehouse

I've worked in a cubicle office. I found it soul-sucking.The walls don't reach head-level when you're standing so people walking past can still see what you're doing, so you don't really have that much privacy. The only privacy you get is being unable to see other people around you. It's blinders for you, not for anyone walking past or checking up on you. It was depressing as fuck.

I work in an open office layout now and I thought I'd hate it because it would be even less privacy, but nobody gives a shit what you do, my coworkers browse Facebook and leddit (and even sometimes 4chan I've seen), some people watch Netflix or Twitch or YouTube while they work, and you feel less like a caged animal.

Even if I don't talk to people (I usually wear headphones), just seeing other people (and the window outside, and a clear view across the office) feels a lot less confining.

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>open office environment with 40 developers.

>>35309491
better to not work at all

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Pic related is the ideal office layout.

If you disagree, you ARE a normie.

>>35309751
>clearly has no background in architecture or design
>still thinks his opinion matters with designing layouts

I'm no expert, but I do have some design experience, and from that little experience I know there are dozens of factors professionals have to accommodate for that amateurs don't even know exist.

>>35309807
Hitler wasn't a trained politician yet he ruled an empire.

Trump wasn't a trained politician yet he ruled the strongest nation on earth.

>dozens of factors professionals have to accommodate for

Oh yeah? Name 17 of them. Without googling.

>>35309851
Like I said, I'm no expert, I did structural design, but most amateurs have no idea of the complexity of MEP. Things such as airvents are actually really complicated and there's a reason why you need professional mechanical engineers to work on them. I only took one course on building sciences in university, but holy shit is the design of air vents complicated as all hell.