Who /premed/ here? Dentists and pharmacists are welcome too

Third year premed checking in.

>tfw talk to zero professors
>tfw need LORs

Panicking tbqh

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>>35253134
Who /suicidebyMCAT/ here? No freshmen allowed. Pisses me the fuck off when every dumbass freshman thinks they're going to go to a top ten school and get a dermatology residency while complaining about Gen Chem.

>>35253193

lol fuck american med school applications sound like genuine cancer.

commonwealth nation is just

1. sit the graduate med entry
2. have a good GPA
3. interview well

none of this pre-req shit & LOR

>>35253208

Why does everyone want to be a fucking dermatologist. I don't get it?

>>35253134
>>35253210
>tfw Australia
>Got into med straight out of highschool - basically just applied because I couldn't think of anything else to study
>5 year degree
>$21k/year in scholarships and welfare
>$10k/year in government-backed, interest free debt that I don't have to pay back until I'm earning >$55k/year

>

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>>35253290
>>35253210

Socialist-Communists GET OUT REEEEEEEE

>>35253282
Easy work, fashionable, short work weeks, not being on call for emergencies, and you get fucking BANK. People think it'll be an easy job with lots of money. But it's ultra competitive because of that.

Bet you medfags can't guess my rare neurological disease. Pro tip it's being researched in only a few top hospitals in the world.

I knew an ass hole in highschool who went to premed, dropped it senior year and went into mecheng, which I'm pretty sure he dropped to.

I hope he's 6+ figures in debt

>>35253348

Autism?

oreos

I'll start studying medicine next week, not in America, is it really as hard as everyone makes it sound?

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Lab worker/Pharmacist reporting in.
Fuck this shit, it's boring as fuck. Hopefully I can drop out and get to psychology

>>35253134
4th yr med student. Matching into IM. AMA going to sleep soon

>>35253597
How fucked am I with a 3.6 and little to no shadowing or volunteering? Can a gap year, possibly as a scribe save me?

>>35253210
Our schools are just super competitive.

>>35253738

They also produce the best doctors which is why so many socialist countries send their students here to learn how to be a doctor

>>35253631

3.6 is decent if you can score average to well on mcat. Shadowing is always a meme and overrated completely just get some sort of shadowing or free clinic volunteering so you can convince them that you know what medicine sort of is and that this isn't some silly whim. I made up 95% of my shadowing from a clinic a volunteered at exactly twice but claimed to have done it for a year or so almost weekly.

Mcat will decide for you. Apply anyways and scribe if you need but research year or two will be better than scribe to help your chances.

>>35253134
I work in a hospital and have a huge crush on an intern, can I still post?

>>35253777
True, but it may be a chicken and egg thing. Are the doctors better because brighter, more motivated people get in to begin with due to the Darwinian nature of our medical peograms?

I always held doctors in high regard and thought it was more of a calling than a career.

Then I got older

>>35253827
Some American doctors I've seen are the least compassionate, stupidest sacks of shit I've ever met. A school's program, even if it's Harvard's or John Hopkin's won't magically make some turbo chad who is good at bullshitting magically become a good doctor. That's up to the individual.

If anything the lack of compassion probably comes from the guarded, backstabbing nature of most pre-med programs.

I don't understand the Murrican system
In Europe you finish high school then apply straight for medicine, then 6 years later you're a doctor
What exactly is premed? My Murrican cousin says he's doing it but then he tells me he's studying for calculus, I'm actually baffled

>>35253290
>Have to compete against everyone else for an accredited reg program

>>35253900

I'll answer your question with another question:

When a patient has anything more than a broken leg or sinus infection, which country do they get flown to for medical treatment?

>>35253886
I agree about the BSing, but I think they tend to be pretty diligent individuals.

It scares me how many robots go into the medical profession. Doctors need to have empathy above anything else. I worry for your future patients.

>>35253886
>muh compassion

I'm basically a sociopath with no empathy and all my patients love me. You just have to be a good actor

>>35253938
I think you need a blend of robots and heart. I believe every profession does; I guess I'm just a brainwashed leftist.

>>35253867
It is.
Why would you do +7 years of study and be responsibility for literally saving lives when you can be a finance/business fag in 4-5 years?

>>35253938
>Doctors need to have empathy above anything else.
Are you a woman? Doctors need to have technical knowledge above all else, and most patients need a firm kick in the ass to tell them to stop doing dumb shit that's killing them.

>>35253938

>implying any of us will be accepted.

>>35253951
How do you know they aren't acting? You fuck up - watch how fast that smiling old lady sues you.

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>>35253918
I know people go to America or Israel for cancer treatment since you lot excel in that.

>>35253938
The fact that I managed to pull of the oh-so-caring persona for the interview and succeeded is a bit frightening to be honest.

>>35253900
You do a bachelor's degree (4 years) and THEN you go to med school ( if you can even get in)

>>35253938
>The only good mechanic is one that has empathy for the car!
This is why they don't allow retards into med school.

>>35253979
I'd have to fuck up first lmao. Why would they pretend to like me? If so great but it doesn't make a lot of sense. Do you pretend to like the subway guy and praise him for doing a great job? Of course not the consumer doesn't hold that responsibility.

>>35253938
I was an autistic robot until I started volunteering due to a lack of friends. I thought it was a waste of time considering I needed money to eat and pay for a roof over my head, but once I made time for it I started to realize why it was important. Volunteering taught me how to read people to anticipate their needs and to communicate with them. I actually became a more likeable, less bitter person due to volunteering and being forced to be nice to others (who honestly could have used and deserved that kindness).

>>35253985
>>35253951
I'm going a bit metaphysical here, but maybe you aren't the person you conciously think you are. Didn't Freud pretty much set Western thought straight on that subject? You may just be showing compassion in your own way - by working hard and not taking shit from people. Tough love so to speak.

>>35254054
Where'd you volunteer gayboi

>>35254074
>Didn't Freud

Nobody takes Freud seriously anymore.

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wise oldfag here, you guys shouldn't pursue these careers. you're only doing it for the money/social status and to make your parents happy. you'll end up incredibly sad and hating your life. by the time you realize you made a huge mistake you'll be a hundred k in debt and will have to slave away for another 10 years just to break even. You won't even be able to start living life until you're in your 40s with grey pubes. sad.

>>35254035
I don't tell him good job, but I do pretend to like servers and such, and I say thanks, even though I'm paying them. Your patients bought something really precious and expensive, so I think of it as an amped version of the same phenomenon. Basically, acting like they like you is the sociable thing to do, so don't discredit this in your interactions with them.

>>35254150
You pretend to like servers that you think are doing a poor job? You're either full of shit or one in a million and thus don't matter.

>>35254101
Yeah, but we do acknowledge that there is more to a person than his conscious thoughts. That's his true legacy senpai.

>>35254173
Well, they don't have to be great to get a thank you. Merely adequate.

>>35254084
Local hospitals. Most have a volunteer office. I highly recommend the Veteran's Administration if you have one nearby you:

>actually let you do cool shit besides cleaning and answering phones
>everyone (nurses, patients, doctors) is a little bit crazy
>patients appreciate social contact since their military experiences make it hard to relate to normies (just like robots trying to talk to normies).
>nurses tend to be younger, nicer, and hotter

>>35253134
>pharmacists
fuck pharmacists

these losers piss me off

>>35254144
lel that's me with an engineering degree right now, seeking to transition into something clinical. i used to make decisions based on what will make my family criticize me less, but since they will anyways without knowing what is involved i decided fuck it i'm going for broke.

i'd really rather be a "lowly" paramedic than an engineer.

>>35254213
Sounds interesting but I think I'm going to go to a nursing home. I feel for old people. Any tips for the socializing part though, I'll be going in as an autist like you were

>>35254211
I don't just get a thank you though I get praise, a smile, and frequent gifts (baked goods, one guy gave me some shitty home brew). Compassion is a meme my guy I don't actually have to feel anything just make them believe.

>>35254144
>most physicians make 200-400k
>10 years to pay off 100k debt

How bad at math are you.

>>35254257
Go at your own pace. You will not be talking about your sex life or wild parties on your first day, especially not with old people. They will probably not try to make conversation with you the first time they see you either. A good way to get over your initial discomfort is asking something like:
>Hello sir/maam, would you like some food or water?
Don't forget to smile.
After you and them get comfortable enough with one another that's when they'll sometimes ask you things like "how's your day going?". However, your relationship with 80-90% of the patients will consist of fetching random food, drinks, or objects for them. That said you might end up in more conversations since the turnover of a nursing home is much lower than a hospital floor.

4th year matching in General Surgery here.

Former pre-med counselor and MCAT tutor.

AMAA

>>35254324
>what is eating, rent, car, gas
>what is interest on loans
>what is low initial salary

In residency you make the equivalent per hour to most waiters.

>>35254351
About how long should one study for the MCAT? I've had all the major courses before, but definitely need some touching up. This semester is balls to the wall, and I'm worried that I won't have enough time to study before taking it in the summer.

>>35254364
Most residencies pay like 50- 60k. You'll get full pay by like 31-32 with most residencies. Live on a modest salary of 80k for your first year and get all loans paid by 32. Wow sounds truly awful

>>35254296
You are being obtuse. Not sure if you're serious or not.

They know you are full of shit, and they are following social protocol in the same vein. Compassion is only useful if it produces results. If you're a good doctor, it doesn't matter what motivated you to get there. Nobody actually cares. Just don't be silly and think that you're fooling people. Your patients don't love you like you originally said. They think you did something very important well. That's all I'm saying famalam. Don't know why this so hard for you to understand.

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>>35254351
>3.66 GPA in bioengineering
>514 new MCAT (equivalent to 33-35 old MCAT depending on online calculator)
>forced to take gap year due to going full autist in first attempt at interviews last year
>working, volunteering, will be writing 1 research paper this year

How fucked am I?

>>35254394
It depends a lot on how seriously you took your courses. I was a huge bio nerd and so barely had to study for that section and got 99th percentile in that section.

I half assed math and physics and so I had to bust ass in studying for it.

Overall I get a similar response from friends and former students.

The key is to find ONE SET OF OF STUDY MATERIALS and to HONESTLY assess how long it'll take to fill in your knowledge gaps. First things first take a practice test.

In other words, I cannot fairly give you a straight "time" answer without knowing your performance details

>>35254463
No I think you're a retard that's fueled by his fee fees. You have no way of knowing if these people truly buy my bullshit or not you're talking out of your ass. Ted Bundy was a serial killer and was loved by many. How naive can you be that you think everyone that seems sincere and caring is truly sincere and caring. People lie and others fall for those lies otherwise no one would be lying. Quit being a child

>>35254463
And I want to add that's not a bad thing either. I'm trying to be cautious so you don't get that impression. I just noticed you said your patients love you, and it's like yeah - if you do good work, you just need to not act like an ass and of course they'll love you. If you smiled when you saved my vision or whatever I would give you a gift basket too. I just want you see it for it is famalam.

>>35254477

Your stats look good. They are about where most people get it in.

What field of work? What kind of volunteering? Able to get letters from either?

Are you able to explain the "bench to bedside" of your research?

I'm sure you've heard the typical explanation of you have to "prove that you've improved" over your year off.

>>35254551
You have no way of knowing if people are buying either dude. You just assume they did for whatever reason. And I don't even want to touch your remark about why people lie.

>>35254708
Work is bioinformatics programming. Volunteering is at 2 local hospitals. I plan on getting letters from all these places, but I don't think I can get a good one from any of my professors.

As for my research, it's highly computer-based and it's more like a possible explanation for something observed in the clinic than a brand new cure. Is that a bad thing?

>>35254737
Because you have no valid response. And I have more evidence than you do don't I?

>>35253348
Fagotitis?

what the FUCK is premed?

at least here in canada every fucking average normie retard in biosci or kines or some fucking garbage science degree says they are premed??

no you have shit grades and will do shit on an MCAT and end up with a useless degree

i enjoy spending my time with the autistic spergs in engineering

>>35254772
Because you are stupid, and go off on tagents instead of sticking to the subject at hand? You didn't tell me how you know people are buying your bullshit, because you don't know, and that's what we're actually discussing. So if people lie, how do you know their smiles aren't fake when you bullshit them? Why would you trust their facade if that's your worldview?

>>35253900
Unlike some other countries, you have to get a 4yr degree before you apply to medical school. There isn't a "medicine" degree either, you can literally get a degree in ANYTHING. Then, so long as you get a good GPA and a good MCAT score, you apply and hopefully get in. It's highly recommended, almost mandatory, to add on extra-curriculars to your application like shadowing doctors, having research experience, clinical experience, letters of recommendations, etc.

>>35254765
>Work is bioinformatics programming. Volunteering is at 2 local hospitals. I plan on getting letters from all these places, but I don't think I can get a good one from any of my professors.

>As for my research, it's highly computer-based and it's more like a possible explanation for something observed in the clinic than a brand new cure. Is that a bad thing?

If the potential writer shows even a bit of hesitation don't fucking do it. Make sure ask specifically for one that "advocates on your behalf". Google "writing letters for pre-meds" or similar. Make you shine in where they are supposed to talk about you.

Not necessarily bad research. What people look for is how you can articulate your esoteric work to another person. Academia loves sucking each other off when it comes to their work.

>>35254462
>Most residencies pay like 50- 60k
>Live on a modest salary of 80k for your first year

hmmm...yes... great logic right there you simple-minded limp-wristed faggot.

>>35254860
I mentioned my reasoning
>>35254551
>>35254296
>>35254035
You can disagree with it but don't pretend it doesn't exist. If you can say so surely that people aren't buying my bullshit how would you explain Bundy, John Wayne gacy, BTW, or any of the other psychopaths that's families and communities were so shocked because they thought they were all good people. They were acting. I don't see how you can't grasp this concept. People act and other people believe. People lie and people believe

>>35254351
How bad will the fact that I took 4 years of community college impact my "future" application?

>>35253348
I don't give a fuck.

I hope it kills you soon ;^)

>>35254954
You're first year of full pay you inbred mongoloid

>get out of med school at 26
>get out of residency by 30

I can see why you dropped out of med (so I'm guessing since you seem like a bitter drop out mindlessly shit posting)

Dunno if this is the right thread to ask but since there might be one or two of you med robots who know abour general health issues ill just ask.

I sometimes get occasional sharp pains in my chest that last for a split second. It used to be worse where I would feel it throughout the day. I had 2 docs diagnose me with chronic chest wall pain and noted I have anxiety problems - which I do. Had blood test taken - results are normal. Ekg - heart is normal.

Although Im a bit on the chubby side at 5'7 and 170lbs, I do modest exercise where I do cardio once a week and walk a lot. My diet is pretty normal - I eat a lot of chicken but get in a few servings of vegetables and fruits as well as nuts and drink water more often.

Yet I still experience these sporadic chest pains. What should I do? Drug myself up with pain killers? I dont have health insurance which means Im limited to clinics.

>>35255014
Your *

>tfw my point is now null because of a grammar mistake

Rip

>>35255014
*your

And I wasn't even the guy you originally replied to

Ive been spitting out a lot of bloody saliva. The gums beneathe one of my bottom molars is reddish and one of my top molars has some black gunk stuck on it and is also bleeding a lot.

Is this shit the first stage of gingivitis? Ive been flossing and brushing more attentively the past week or 2 and although I spit out bloody saliva less often, Im worried about my teeth? Anyway to get a clean up from a dentist without killing my wallet?

>>35254985
>How bad will the fact that I took 4 years of community college impact my "future" application?

General rule is thus:
Premed courses need to be done at a 4yr. Even bottom tier schools require that.

If you don't care about doing anything other than seeing patients in clinic then you can apply carribean. shitting on Caribbean schools is just stupid circle jerking. If primary care is your goal and it's tough to get into US schools and Caribbean schools will do just fine

I've seen many genius Caribbean students while some of my own classmates are fucking retards that got in because daddy went here

If you were serious about getting into a US School then I would just do pre-med courses for two years at a four-year Institution. You would also need to work your ass off for the MCAT of course. Your science gpa is what is important here

>>35255034
>>35255057
Leave me alone

Oregano

>>35255106
nope, the only way to fix that shit will be to see a dentist.

better now than later

>>35254976
I'm saying it works both ways bro. You don't who is out there either! And you're not stupid, I didn't mean that.

But you ARE irrationally clinging to this idea. I think you realize you aren't a sociopath, and have trouble dealing with the fact a lot of ordinary human interaction is mild version of acting like one.

>morning Sarah!
>Sarah rounds the corner
>fucking bitch

My 0.02 is that you're actually a decent guy trying to cope with things like the above. Most social interaction is a facade bro, and I think you're having problems dealing with that.

But, I might just be full of shit. You could be an asshole.

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>>35255057
*I wasn't even the guy to which you originally replied.

>>35255135
What would qualify as "premed courses"?

Are we talking about a general bio class or what?

>>35255170
Lmao I'm not even a doctor I just like arguing with strangers on the internet. I think I'm drunk enough to go to sleep now though night friend.

>>35255227
I literlol'd. Night Anon.

>>35255202
>What would qualify as "premed courses"?

>Are we talking about a general bio class or what?

Go to any medical school's admissions requirements page and it will list out all the courses you'll need.

Year of bio, year of physics etc

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>>35255176
*I wasn't even the guy to WHOM you originally replied.

>>35254324

You're an idiot. I'm an optometrist and make 150k.
After taxes, medical insurance,and 401k contribution, etc my take home is under 100K. The INTEREST on my student loan is 16K. I also have a mortgage, property taxes, and other life bull shit to pay for. There is no way I'll pay it back in ten years

Bottom of the barrel EMT master race.

>>35253134
I'm an Australian doctor, hit me up if you want gamsat tips lads

>>35255292
>not paying off high interest debt before going into even more debt for a mortgage

wew lad

>>35255292
>went into optometry

Yeah I'm the idiot. I'm going into general surgery I'll be more than fine

>>35254351
If were to "redo" your undergrad again, what would you do different?

What would be the easiest or most ideal thing to major in?

What are some common "mistakes" you see undergrads do/have that I should try to avoid?

>>35255294
same, working part time

>tfw tempted to just drop out of college and go full fire/EMS

>>35255333
You'll never get though it. You'll burn out or fail.

>>35255329

mortgage is on an inexpensive townhome - interest on that is 1/10 of the student loan. It was more cost effective than renting.

>>35255387
Complete wishful thinking. Spoken like a true cuckk wishing others would fail to make his own short comings seem less glaring.

>dentist starts telling me to take care of my teeth more
>wait until he is almost finished fixing my teeth
>bite him and spit on him

Mind your own business, faggot. Dentists are pussy ass retards who couldn't make it as real doctors, or even eye doctors.

>>35255377

I work full-time in a level two trauma ER. Working on my pre-reqs for nursing. Much better route down the line.

>school til 26/27, sometimes later, have to apply for jobs hundreds of thousands in debt
>go through being an intern etc for couple of years making meager wages, countless all-nighters
>hopefully get into a good specialisation, in which case you'll be earning 80k-150k

btw guys, you do know only the private hospitals which are extremely competitive and usually have a bit of nepotism going on are the places where you'll get 200k+ a year.

man fuck that shit, rather just be a sysadmin at 60k a year fresh out of graduation and work myself upto 100k+

>>35254351
>>35255339

Last one for now

Going to sleep.

Kik: janusthemanus

I'll answer when I have time
>>35255339
>If were to "redo" your undergrad again, what would you do different?

>What would be the easiest or most ideal thing to major in?

>What are some common "mistakes" you see undergrads do/have that I should try to avoid?

Not do a full science degree thats for fucking sure. I loved art history but I fell for the "pre-med major" meme. Also party a lot more. You don't realize how much free time you had in undergrad until it's gone.

The ideal major is what you find interesting. As long as you're able to fit in the pre-med courses you'll do fine.

I could go on all day about "mistakes". Before I get too pissed off/sentimental I would say is the most common mistake is focusing your energies in areas that really don't fucking matter.

Getting letters from non respected professors doesn't matter. Working in a field that can't be tied to the art of Medicine doesn't matter. Having a fucking laundry list of shit you did without being able to describe what drew you to do those things doesn't fucking matter.

>>35255422
>Falling for the "cuck is everything I don't like" meme

Want me to Bull for you?

>>35255463
What a lot of people don't realize is that being a doctor requires you to want to help people the money is compensation

>>35253134
Dentist here. Thinking about going to med school after 7 years of training (Aus requirement) and doing oral maxilofacial surgery. Does anyone have any exposure working with any OMFS teams?

>>35253320
how competitive are we talking here?
top 1% of med students?