when did you grow out of your nice guy phase?

I never had one nor have I ever been a beta orbiter

No girl ever gave me any attention at all and now I'd see right through their lies

>>35163494

actually, i grew into it

>>35163494
2 years ago. haven't spoke to anyone since because of how humiliating the experience that brought me out of it was

>>35163545
Story time pls anon?

>>35163494
I'm not even certain what that pic means...?

I once tried to grab a girl's hand and not only she put my hand away but she recoiled like my hand was full of diarrhea, now that i think about it it wasn't because i'm ugly (i'm not) but rather because she saw me as a nice guy (i was)

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>>35163494
Pic related is in the comments of that pic
Looking at his profile, this guy is a cringefest

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>>35163494
It depends on how creepy he is.

>>35163494
how is a "good guy"?

>>35163494
after I read the selfish gene

>>35163651
how is this in any way an answer to OP's question?

>>35163494
never grown into it

I'm in the guy who never attempted a move phase. I don't know if that's nice or not considering girls may find that flattering.

>>35163651
and by how creepy he is you mean how attractive he is, because we all know creepy is just a underhanded signifier to denote unattractive.

I never stopped being a nice guy, I'm nice to everyone and I'm not going to change that. Instead I just gave up on women and decided to dedicate my life to own pursuits.

>>35163752
Nope. Creepy niggas have that creepy stare and creepy body language.

>>35163796
>mgtow testimonials

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>>35163545
Well? We're waiting anon. Don't be a fag

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>>35163716
Related

>>35163752
Not exactly, but it has some factor.
>>35163836
this

>>35163927
related or retarded?

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>>35163947
g-good one anon

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>>35163494
I'm a nice person. Or I used to be. I was never a "le gentlemen" or whatever the weird betas on social media like to brand themselves with. I think these days I'm bitter, and yet I can't get mad despite it.

These days I can't tell if I'm so mad and bitter all the time that that's the norm, and I can't get mad because I already am...

Or if I'm just so depressed and bitter these days that I can't find the will or drive to get mad.

>>35163836

you must not go out often

>>35163947
stop replying to tripfags you mongoloid

>>35163494
>touching a girl's leg
>in public
>without her having assured me that it's ok to make physical contact with her by literally telling me she likes me/grabbing my penis through my jeans

i don't think i ever made it there

>>35164023
Meanie.
no bully

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Women obviously
One girl told me she liked me. Was my first love. We constantly chatted and always my heart was beating like crazy when i saw her.
>she had a bf and was just trolling me.
>i got gf after wards. She was attention whore always posted pics where she sliced her arm.
>later i had 2 different girls telling me that they love me and the emo girl was still my gf
>stopped this shit because i feel like shit doing this stuff. Not because i feel guilty but i despise women atm and life

I have never really been nice. I have never struggled to find sex. Don't listen to the memers: being in shape makes all the difference.

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>>35163494

when she fucked another guy because she decided one day that she was actually 'polyamorous'

fucking bitch

>>35164020
Let me guess, you've been branded creepy and dunno why.

>>35163494

"Nice guy" is a euphemism for men that are lacking in masculinity. You can't just grow out of it unless your body and brain literally aren't finished growing.

>>35163643
>reddit
what do you expect anon?

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>>35163643

/b/ is even worse all of them look like nu male cucks. Pic related. Some faggot that tried to be a white knight and texted a fake number of a girl I made up. If you're wondering why /b/ has been so feminine, now you know why.

>>35165421
>le new fag
dont you know b and v are now full of plebbitors? just like r9k?

>>35165350
>nice guys are lacking in masculinity
And it goes by degrees. A while back I dated this girl, and after two sexual encounters she told me it wasn't going to work out, but she "really liked me and wanted to remain friends."
I while later we were doing a friendly coffee date, when I casually asked her why things didn't work out.
She said I was "too nice in bed". She liked it rough, with biting and hands on neck shit, and it made me super uncomfortable. And she could tell.
Any more I can tell how long she's been in a relationship, or how long a relationship will last, by the amount and severity of the bite marks and hickeys visible.

>>35165421
>/b/ ever being anything than teenage boys
Are you trying to imply that once upon a time masculine people browsed /b/?

>>35165624

They're too pussy shit to doxxx people now. That's not the /b/ I know.

Don't remember, I just started being an irredeemable cunt at some point, but not the kind that gets laid.
>>35163927
>>35163836
You're not entitled over how other people choose to move their bodies you stupid roastie.

>>35165637
It's probably because doxxing ppl is against the rules and is bannable for thirty days
t. someone who's caught every ban imaginable

>>35165350
"Nice guy" and an actual nice guy are two different things. A "nice guy" is not actually that nice.

>>35165680
I'm not saying I'm "entitled" to anything, dipshit. I'm stating facts. You can tell a whole helluva lot from body language, and some niggas just have creepy body language. Stiff, rigid, strained, twitchy, aloof, eager. Some people never got what "be cool" meant.

I get pussy by being nice. Not being a "nice guy", there's a difference.

>>35165776
>nigspeak
Slattern.

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I'm very nice to male peers I come across, I have a profound respect for them and what they do. I can't even cross a woman on the street without feeling disgust. It's kinda a big problem.

>>35165889
>>nigspeak
Did I lose you or are you just too hard headed to listen?

>>35165748

Yes he is.
But women are attracted to men that are aggressive and masculine and dominant, not men that are soft, weak, effeminate, pacifist, etc.

Well I am not the typical nice guy but I talk to girls about them a lot and can't really "tease" them that well but now I give a bit less fucks for women than before so maybe I stopped being a nice guy

>>35165939
>>35165748
>"Nice guy" and an actual nice guy are two different things. A "nice guy" is not actually that nice.

It's what women tell themselves to feel better about being attracted to assholes

>>35166016
>It's what robots tell themselves to feel better about being attractive to women
Ftfy

>>35165939
>>35166016
Proving the point right there.

>waaaaahh why don't women like me it must be because I'm too nice and they like assholes
>bitches whores cunts I want them all to die roasties are too dumb to understand I'm such a nice guy

>>35165776
>never got what "be cool" meant
>implying
It sure is a lot of fun to be tense constantly. I sure don't regret my decision to be wracked with anxiety every hour of every day instead of checking the "be cool" box.

>>35166028
>feel better about being attractive to women
subtle b8

>>35166045
in this case not sure if b8 or just retarded

>>35166046
Hey, man. Be cool.

>>35166067
The delusion is strong in this bitter virgin.

>>35166045
>waaaaahh why don't women like me it must be because I'm too nice and they like assholes

I just explained why women don't like "nice guys".
Women like men that exhibit signs of social and physical dominance. If you're a guy that's small, weak, effeminate, anxious, shy, not very aggressive, etc... you're going to fit the "nice guy" label.
Being conventionally "nice" (not showing signs of dominance) is a turnoff for women.

>>35166231
Being confident and nice is a huge turn-on for women.

Remember the only difference between a creep is if you are attracted to them or not, that's why chads say things like "just go talk to her' 'slap her ass while you dance'. 'Just be direct and order her around'.
Because that works for them.

>>35163494

>tfw am genuinely nice and not pretending in hopes of getting pussy.

I think really though I am just pretending and hoping that by just maintaining the nice guy act through thick and thin I'll be seen as a genuine nice guy.

We're all really just trying to breed, nothing we ever do is genuine.

>>35165456
This. Add /pol/ to the list as well.

All three are the worst boards, containment my ass.

>>35166255
They only care about confidence if it flows from money or looks. You can't fake it or fake those.
Because what they are really attracted to is power, and money is power to go where you want, do what you want, and looks is power to get better service, get away with things, know you can get laid easier.
It's not confidence they like, it's access to power, so if you just act confident without money or looks you just come off as a creep.

>>35166273
Nobody says or does that, you fucking idiot.

>>35166323
Confirmed for being a basement-dwelling virgin who hasn't talked to a girl in years.

>>35165718
Buu-huu the laws are terrible here.

Then move out of this shit hole and try 8-chan or some other chan, /b/ wasn't afraid of laws when moot was here, now you can't even post cp and see it lasting more than 10 minutes.

>>35166346
I'll have you know I fuck fat chicks.
Ignore me if you want, it's true. You can be the most confident guy at the club but if you are a broke ass loser with pastie skin, you just come off as a tryhard.

>>35166387
Those confident broke ass losers do get pussy.

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>>35163494

This is why I hate girls, you have to constantly walk this thin line between being too aggressive and being too nice, a situation like ops pic could easily be flipped into sexual assault, of course if its a guy she finds attractive, she won't give a fuck.

>>35166438
That's your weak excuse for not talking to girls.

>>35166356
Wait are you pissed that I know the rules or because you can't have pizza parties anymore?

>>35166273
You must be a creep. Do you stutter and fidget alot? Do you find it hard to "loosen up" or "be cool"?

>>35163494
When i was a teenager around 2003-2004.
i stopped giving a shit and everyone started giving me shit for being an asshole.
Fuck all these normies, i did it My Way.

>>35163494

Can you give me the source of that picture OP, please?

I wanna know if the "meme" text is real or if its just a photo that then someone added the text above to.

There is a big difference.

>>35166458
Nobody needs an excuse. Women are not owed attention, you absolute cuck.

>>35166458

No. I'm a pathetic degenerate human being, it would be wrong for me to lie to woman and try to convince them I'm worth fucking, but I still hate their ways nonetheless.

Why do you guys feel like you need a girlfriend to be happy? There are plenty of miserable people in relationships you know. Internet has everything you need just stop giving a fuck, beat your dick and get the poison out and play vidya. Meditate or something, everyone always finds some reason the grass is greener somewhere else.

>>35166538
>talking to a girl, seducing her, having sex with her makes you a cuck

Okay, if you say so.

>>35166538
>nobody needs an excuse
Except every dingdong making excuses for why girls don't like them.

>>35166568

Maybe its because I'm still a virgin but girls give off this crazy positive energy, as much as I try to suppress the feeling just being around girls makes it feels like there is something magical left in the world, something different, new, and life changing.

Of course this is all just a mind trick to get us to talk to girls, but most guys don't realize it or simply can't shake the feeling.

>>35166458

If you aren't aggressive enough, you're a "nice guy". If you're aggressive but not attractive, you're a "creep".

>>35166668
>can't read signals

>>35166668
None of that is true. No wonder you are a kissless virgin.

>>35166690
>>can't read minds

fixed

>>35166668

This.

>I'll just wait and see what he does, if he fucks up I'll claim rape lol

>>35166714
>doesn't understand body language
IIs that better?

>>35163494
I was never in a nice guy phase. I've always known that women aren't worth the effort.

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>>35166576
>>35166584
>>35166690
>>35166701
When did all the astroturfing faggots pour in?

I think that "nice guys" is the result of what happens when men grow up without a strong father figure.

When the head of the house is a dominant mother, you develop a weird submissive mindset towards women.

Furthermore, because you don't see any functional examples of a relationship your sexuality never really develops and you don't internalise any of the skills required to attract and maintain the attention of women.

So when the physical attraction kicks in you do the only thing you know, you try to be the "good boy" in hopes that she rewards you with sweets.

Eventually you develop enough self-consciousness to realise that what you're doing is retarded, but at that point you are far behind the rest of the male population.

>>35166743
This only happens in your bitter virginal fantasies.

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>>35163504
who else here w o k e ?

>>35166568
preach it anon. don't forget that 2D > 3D

>>35166763
Since when is understanding girls "astroturfing"

>>35166797
pretty much anyone who's spent more than a few weeks on this board

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I've only been gone for a few months and this board has changed so much. Where did all of the fucking robots go?

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>>35163494

at 25 lmao, I'm 1.5 year out of it, finally feel like a normal human. can't believe how beta I was

>>35166816

I've seen threads started with the same exact picture as in the OP literal years ago.

>>35166831
It's not the OPs, it's the replies.

>>35166816
Wizardchan. /r9k/ is now battlegrounds for /b/ and /pol/

>>35166803
Anything that goes against the worldview of bitter virgins is now reddit or astroturfing.

>>35166792

What? Unjustified date rape claims happen all the time and have been ruining lives since Tyson.

>>35166839

I mean this is pretty standard.

>bitter nice guys vs. their counterparts.

The proportions of these groups vary thread to thread.

>>35166854
Wizchan is slow as fuck, sadly.

>>35163494
I don't orbit.

But I shutter at the thought of being anything other than nice to people who have done me no wrong.

>>35166870
Tyson was also abusive towards Robin; wrath and crazy is a bad cocktail.

>>35166876
which is a sign that it hasn't been compromised

>>35166873
Not really. The proportions used to skew much differently and most normalfag shitposters were relegated to a few threads or were regular tripfags. Things seem much different all over the board.

>>35166892
True, but I don't want to wait half a day for a reply.

Anyone else have a weakness for orbiting traps? I don't feel bad about it because they are "lonely" guys like me.

>>35166876
If more robots migrated the boards speed would pick up. There needs to be an organized mass exodus.

>>35163494
I'm still a nice guy but I don't see roasties as sexual objects of interest anymore.
I'm just a nice guy in general with no ulterior motives.

>>35166789

Single mothers tend to damage their sons in a lot of ways. Not necessarily intentional abuse, but neglect. They usually don't know what boys need to do to become "real men". Or they don't care enough to tell their sons.
It's much easier for the development of a man to be stunted in a serious way. It's not a problem for a woman to be weak, small, effeminate, shy, or even mentally a little slow. But it's a huge problem if you're a man.

>>35166905

That's the problem, everyone wants to normie free board but no one wants to migrate to the one place where girls/normies have no voice.

4chan is NOT for betas/wizards/virgins. The mods and admins are likely normie as fuck.

>>35166918
That would be great, but the normies would likely come too.
>>35166933
I would love to migrate if there were more of us there.

>>35166518
I seen this pic as is with the text and all on facebook before with lots of likes and shares.

>>35166876
That's because there are very few actual robots. /r9k/ would be slow as fuck without normies.

>>35166922
>They usually don't know what boys need to do to become "real men".

Even worse when they try to raise the boys according to their ideas of what a "good man" is.


That's how you get scores of guys acting the way they've been thought (which is what Chads do as well) and getting rejected over and over again.

>>35166946
>That would be great, but the normies would likely come too.

wouldn't matter, one mention of a gf or "bee urself" would be the end of that.

I'm a fucking 24 yo virgin NEET of 7 years, and even I fucked up and got banned for being too normie.

>>35166922
You say it's easier to damage men, but behold all the girls with daddy issues. Humans are impressionable, malleable when they're still developing.

>>35166954
Well depends on what your definition of a robot is.

>>35166984
Seriously, I'm a complete NEET hermit schizoid personality who is unable to function in society, but because my dicks been in a girl REEEEEEEEEEEEE GET OUT

>>35166974

Its far more devastating for men though since we actually have to become a person of value to survive, woman are born with all the right stuff, they just have to not fuck it up by being slutty or getting fat, but even that's of no real consequence nowadays.

>>35167024
If your dick has been in a girl you're obviously not unable to function in society, moron.

>>35166969
maybe you shouldn't express your desire for 3DPD, normalfag

>>35166969
>bee urself

That's how you recognize a robot. Literally nobody else says that.

>>35167024
>but because my dicks been in a girl REEEEEEEEEEEEE GET OUT

It is kind of a big deal though, fucking a girl is the normie rite of passage.

>>35167024
That single quality makes you resemble the rest of the world more than it makes you resemble robots, famicom. There are people in slums in Africa who have had sex. There are people with cerebral palsy who have had sex. There are 13 year olds who have sex.

But robots are virgins.

>>35167024
>>35167034 is right.
A robot is a KHV relationshipless male. A nonrvirgin cannot be a robot (prostitutes are an exception).
>>35166969
You should be banned if you unironically say be yourself. Also if you have or have had a gf you are not a robot.
>>35167044
Oh but they do, I kinda envy you if noone has said that to you irl.

>>35167044

Its really just a catch all term for the useless advice normies give.

Point is, any talk that is anti-NEET or anti-virgin is dealt with swiftly.

>>35163494
I never was a nice guy

>>35167029
Oh, you're one of those. Nevermind.

>>35167066
A hidden quality can't make you resemble shit.

>>35166974

For men, the damage is typically much more severe and has far worse consequences for quality of life.
A woman that's underdeveloped (physically, mentally, socially) is still valuable.
A man that's underdeveloped is worthless.

>>35167034
Maybe we've got different ideas of what it means to function... I've tried not being NEET but it's in my DNA. I feel apart from everyone else and different always. I actually really empathize with you guys

>>35167093
It puts you in the set of all those people, of which there are many.
It excludes you from the set of robots, of which there are much fewer.
Is that clearer?

>>35167095
That makes more sense. Good breakdown anon.

>>35167100
I would much rather be a neet that a KHHV loser.

>>35163494
The week I lost my virginity. No kidding.

never touched a girl. it doesnt bother me.
been called nice guy by girls. didnt give a fuck really.

>>35167072
Find me one example of a normie saying "just bee urself" on /r9k/. You can't. Literally everyone who writes that is a raging autistic robot.

>>35167112
Yes, but it's an unidentifiable attribute. You can't prove someone has or hasn't had sex by looking at a pic. Unless that pic is literally timestamped in the middle of the act.

>>35167080
The advice is only useless because robots don't actually want to change. They want to continue being bitter kissless virgins.

>>35163504
I was. Oh I was... Oh God... Please pull these memories out...
At least I'll never see them again. There were a whole bunch. It's just awful.

>>35167172
I've had normies tell me that IRL. On r9k there is no surefire way to know who is a normie and who is a robot.

>>35167172
I've unironically told people to "be yourself" before.

>>35167183
>just world fallacy
>ad hominem (the classic bitter virgin no less)
Normie faggot detected.

>>35167213
>just world meme
>anything to try to avoid responsibility for your own shitty life

>>35167179
It's not visually identifiable, sure. I didn't mean "resemble" in a literal, visual sense. It's still (lol) attributable, though, which is how it's applicable here. If some basic qualities about people (including sexual history) were all printed out, a non-virgin NEET would have that one extra quality more in common with non-robots than with robots - and what is common between all robots is kissless virginity. Hence the non-virgin NEET would more "resemble" that vast other group of non-virgins.

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>>35166690
bigbkblocdf kys

>>35167172
some femanon was saying literally that just yesterday. she said she just finished sleeping with an obese man and then gave advice.

>>35167172
>"just bee urself"

we've had entire threads of it in the past, mostly just analyzing the meaning.

its actually true to an extent, but it won't get you laid, getting laid isn't bout just being yourself, its about undesirable or desirable, which is what normos don't get.

>>35167237
I was in that thread. Stop falling for b8 threads.

>>35167252
If you are undesirable, then become more desirable. Robots just don't get that.

>>35167219

>implying we have any choice about it

>>35167234
I'm not denying your point about commonality, what I'm saying is people lie. All the time. To your face let alone on an anonymous stenographers online support group.
>If some basic qualities about people
>if
That's a big if.

>>35167283

>make yourself taller
>make your bones larger
>make your dick larger
>make your face more attractive
>make yourself 10 years younger so you can start over at a normal age
Thanks, I'll get right on it.

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>>35167172
just b yur salf ;)

>>35167235
Are you saying autism is a meme that's offensive and ablist and I shall report you to the mods immediately

>>35167293
>implying being a robot is not a choice
>implying you can't improve your own life if you put effort into it

>>35167321
this.
>>35167293
dont kill yourself.

>>35167312

also forgot
>get a completely different brain that isn't slow, has better long term memory and social skills

>>35167310
Yeah I don't contest any of those things. My central point is that virginity is essential to the (still-kinda-current but dying a lingering death) robot identity and that nigga ain't no KHV.

>>35166668

game theory dictates you should be aggressive. not aggressive and she's into you: nothing
not aggressive and she's not into you: nice guy
aggressive and she's into you: sex
aggressive and she's not into you: creep

game theory

>>35167312
>taller
Irrelevant. Most robots are tall anyway.
>make your bones larger
Irrelevant.
>make your dick larger
Irrelevant.
>make your face more attractive
Wash your face. Use basic good hygiene.
>make yourself 10 years younger so you can start over at a normal age
What is this even supposed to mean? You're probably no older than 22. Plenty of time to change yourself.

See how you made idiotic excuses, picking only traits you can't change and that are irrelevant. The truth is that you want to be a bitter kissless virgin. Otherwise you'd do something about it.

Freshman year of college I got a rude awakening, and took the red pill

>>35167346
>taller.
lets report our hieghts.
reply to him not me>>35167346

6'0 here. 181cm

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>>35167346
>>make your dick larger
>Irrelevant.

>>35167331
Jesus Christ you find more hopeful people on death row. Go live in the wilderness and never express yourself to another human ever again.

>>35167364
Unless you have a literal micropenis it doesn't matter.

>>35167346
>picking only traits you can't change and that are irrelevant.

>if you can't change it, it doesn't matter
>muh just world
All of the important traits are things that mostly can't be changed past adolescence.

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>>35167346
What's the point in making posts like these? I can understand that robots just want to vent. But what the literal fuck are YOU doing?

I used to be a nice guy but I now more or less don't even pay attention to the people around me unless they directly address me, even then I try to judge whether I can make be non-responsive without making the situation awkward.

Mastering the lackadaisical demeanor is the best thing that has ever happened to me.

>>35167405
>All of the important traits are things that mostly can't be changed past adolescence.

Such as?

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>>35167383

>unless your dick is too small it doesn't matter

>>35163494
I used to be a nice guy and moral fag. "An average girl digs me? I shouldn't lead her on!" etc. What kind of a dumb faggot I used to be, Jesus. The instant I stopped living life as if it was a romcom flick, I started to have a healthy sex life.

I dont think i ever had one to be hqnest atleast not one that was very bad. I never really used normal social media until i was older so I couldn't embarrass mfself that hard.

>>35165776
So now you`ll judge people for feeling awkward and showing it through their body language?! I swear...normies are animals.

>>35167420
The face. If you have a weak chin or bad cheekbones or other non aesthetic features, you might as well not be human to most people.

>>35167606
We've always been judged/read by our body language. Sorry you're late to the party.

>>35167334
I would agree. Good dialogue anon.

>>35167724
This. All it takes to start a conversation with someone and end up getting coffee with them often is just a look and a smile. Just practice if you're bad at it.

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>>35163494
I used to be a "nice guy", that's how I was raised by my beta family
not in a way of putting pussy on a pedestal specifically but being genuinely nice to everyone
and treating all people with respect even if they were dicks towards me
it was kinda working until I went to hs
that's where i saw people show their true colors, mostly shades of brown shit
faking and putting an act to fit in a groups, backstabing old friends, even straight forward bullying physical and not
kids doing drugs not even for themselves but to be considered cool, roasties thinking they are some sort of VIPs
people caring about their reputation the most
many kids seem to be full of shit when getting close to adulthood
it got a bit better when i got to uni, people seem to calm down and be more chill here
but living in this cesspool and witnessing all of it's charms for few years made a cynical prick
it's a point of no return i am affraid, the boy is long dead

>>35167700
>you must be eighteen...
You know what needs done.

>>35167747
This requires you to be hot (which is mostly a product of genetics). If a unattractive guy does the same thing he is labeled a creep and a weirdo. Facial aesthetics are all that matters.
>>35167762
>You know what needs done
Kek

>>35167772
No, it takes casual, confident body language.

>>35167782
"casual, confident body language". from a ugly guy = ewww what a creep
"casual, confident body language" from a hot guy = ohmigod he so confident

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>>35167800
>using logic when arguing with roasties
wew lad

>>35167800
Most guys are neither ugly nor super hot. You somehow forgot to mention all of the average normal looking guys.

>>35163494

Never had a nice guy phase. I never expected women to suck my cock because I held a door. I was a loser but not a beta orbiter dumbass.

>>35163494

When I came to /r9k/, redpilling is the only good thing this board ever did for me.

Unfortunately it's very bluepilled now, so does nothing for new people who come here.

>>35167822
That is irrelevant to my argument. My point is if you are ugly you are fucked, and nothing short of plastic surgery will change that.

>>35167822
>average looking guys
You really don't understand women do you? There's "guys they would fuck" and "guys they wouldn't". This is literally how they determine how to treat a man.

>>35167822
objectively speaking yes
but people are subjective and classify opposite gender as either good looking or ugly
aka bang would not bang, there is no middle ground

>>35167853
>There's "guys they would fuck" and "guys they wouldn't". This is literally how they determine how to treat a man.

Yep, anything hinting that you want to get physical with her is gonna gross her out no matter how good your social skills are.

I feel the same way when fat girls hit on me desu.

>>35167861
That's not true for guys.

Guys judge women as either good looking: would bang and possibly start a relationship with, average: would bang or ugly: would bang while drunk.

>>35167883
You are no better than the normies than, tbqh.

>>35167906

How? Am I obligated to fuck fat chicks just because I'm easy prey?

The "nice guy" meme only exists so women can pretend they hate ugly people for their personalities instead of their faces.

>>35167929
Not at all. but don't treat them like a subhuman. We all know how it feels to be treated like a piece of shit, just because of looks.

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>>35167906
>You are no better than the normies than, tbqh.
news flash
robots are hypocrites and assholes

who would have thought?

>>35167964
Most people are tbqh.
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>>35163494

What it looks like when some chad touches you I then post a picture of her passed out with her face covered in 10 mens cum.

>>35167957

Not really, most "nice guys" cock block themselves all of the time because they consider themselves moralfags of the highest order.

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For the people that "grew" out of it, what changed? and how do you act with women now?

I'm still in the nice guy phase and want to know what needs changing.

>>35168035
>what changed?

I realized that people take advantage of and use others all of the time. There is no shame in fucking an average girl that is into you and then moving on. Everybody else is doing it. There are very good reasons to do it too. You don't have to hold yourself to stupidly high standards of "morality".

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>>35167977
probably
i just don't get this whole
>sick/suffering people are supposed to be good and nice
i always catch normies off guard by being a dick

>>35167800
If that's what you need to tell yourself to soothe your lack of success then more power to you.

>>35168077
Yup, leaves them shocked every time.

>>35168122
Prove me wrong then. "keep telling urself that kiddo" is not an argument.

>>35168035
I manned up and stopped acting like a beta faggot. I became confident but also nice. It's great for pulling girls.

>>35168001
I find this to be true, honestly.

>>35168001
"nice guys" crunch up when they see someone on their league but when a girl of their physical preference walks around they act like a hungry dog

>>35167883
im assuming you're either fat or a bear so you're a good example of what im talking about :/

>>35168141
*only works if you were hot in the first place

>>35168077
>>35168125
You think too highly of yourselves.

>>35168176
And your point is?
orig

>>35168137
Go out sometime and look at the all the flawed men that have gfs/qts. There's your proof. Open your eyes and take a look or "keep on telling yourself that, kiddo."

>>35168188
I believe my statement was self contained.

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>>35163494
It's all a pretty natural reaction of mine to treat girls kindly, but I still try to do the manipulation and fuck them if I buy them anything without getting laid in the process

I have a strat too, not too interested in talking to any girls who don't show an interest in me and fuck having friends of the female gender

At this point in my life, I've just been trolling /soc/ for pussy

>>35168200
I am more flawed (when it comes to facial athletics, at least) than all of the guys I have seen, and nothing except plastic surgery will change that.

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>>35168176
otherwise i wouldn't be an egocentric narcissist

what is your point?

>>35168205
Alright, I'll take it as a compliment then.

>>35167962

I never treated them badly, I'm just grossed out by fat black chicks.

>>35168174
I am good-looking which does help. But even an ugly guy can get girls if he's confident. Being nice on top is just the bonus.

>>35168223
Post pics pls thx in advance

>>35168249
That's fair then. You have every right to be grossed out by whoever you want, as long as you don't treat them badly.

>>35168230
Statement was self contained.
>>35168237
Feel free to take it however you want, friend.

>>35168164
>im assuming you're either fat or a bear so you're a good example of what im talking about :/

nope, semi-fit and semi-cute.

Ugly /fat girls like me because I'm pretty average, but I'm beta so I'm approachable. I'm above their league, but below the league of average/pretty girls.

>>35168254
So people can make fun of me (again)? No thanks.

>>35163494
Aah, man shaming thread, how very original
Kill yourself you cunt

>>35168268
>>35168205
>I believe my statement was self contained.
>Statement was self contained.

>I am better than you and my opinion is superior, therefore i need no arguments to back it up.

You are not any different it seems.

>>35163494
I've been trying to become more dominate, assertive, and overall rude. It's very unnatural to me and frankly it's exhausting. I just want to be myself. But then women lose interest.

Sometimes I think world just isn't built for a man like me.

>>35168404
Why do you want to become rude? The only thing that will happen as a result is that people will dislike you.

>>35168490
Because he doesn't realize that looks are the only thing that matters. If he is not hot, being "alpha" will not help him in any way.

>>35163494
high school
when i started to get bullied by girls

>>35168332
That's alot of inference, friend.

>>35168490
You have to be a little rude. Makes women see it as a challenge to win your personality over. If you are nice, they will like they already won and can have you at any moment. Which bores them.

If they feel they have to actually work a bit to gain your interest, they will become more interested.

And yes I know you need to be hot. More so funny then hot, but it's still a factor.

>>35168517
Are you the horribly disfigured man?

>>35168548
You believing that is the reason why you're a virgin.

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>>35168554
No, I have a weak chin, bad cheekbones and other unattractive features. I look a lot like the guy on the right, minus the stupid haircut.

>>35163494

After wasting two years of my life on a whore.

AMA robros

>>35168567

Girls say they like me cause I'm a mystery, but really I just pretend to not notice hints. Just my experience.

>>35168567
While it doesn't help, the reason the is a virgin is the fact he is ugly. If you are hot, girls will let you get away with anything.

>>35168276
>I'm above their league, but below the league of average/pretty girls.
you sure?its all about perception
try taking a picture of yourself on the phone then flip it right after, dubs will decide whether you're still hot or not

also
look straight to the camera no angle tricks

>>35168595
Are you a normie now?
original

>>35168567
You really being a super nice guy will interest them when every girl already has at least 20 of those in their life?

All the girls I know only show interest in a man when he mistreats her. It's sad but true. Women are retarded.

>>35168594
Lol I think I might know you from around the boards.

>>35163494

When a girl asked me out, despite me being rude and vulgar in school.

I wondered why on earth she would ask me out, but I was quick to learn that physical attraction is everything.

Too bad I sperged out on the dates and didn't call or text her at all because I was too autismo to know any better.

That 2 week relationship left me heartbroken for a year.

>>35168617
>you sure?its all about perception

Positive. Never said I was mega attractive, just a step above fat chicks, still well below any woman of value.

>>35168693
Where from?
original

>>35168637
>All the girls I know only show interest in a man when he mistreats her.

>never mistreated a girl
>still a virgin

I think we are on to something.

>>35163494
in my first year at senior high school, i think i tried to flirt to some T H I C C chick and mumbled some stupid shit to her. she finally told me to shut up and i learnt the error of my ways, i left her alone and we never spoke to each other again.

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About 3 years ago, I got myself a gf and lost my virginity. It was then that I realised that lusting over stupid stacies in an attempt to get at there sugar walls was a complete waste of time and effort. The reward will never be worth it. I have since become crippling bitter

>>35168703
/r9k/ and possibly /fit/

>>35168789
Could be lol. I sometimes post on /fit/ but not nearly as much as /r9k/

>>35168779
>gf
>cripplingly bitter
doesnotcompute.jpg

>>35168608
If you behave like a raging autist sperglord, no girl will find you attractive, regardless of looks.

>>35168637
Give examples of mistreatment. Sounds like you only see what you want to see.

>>35168637
Few guys are actually nice. That's why a genuinely nice guy attracts girls.

>>35168834
Nope, a hot guy being an autistic sperglord is considered cute and quirky.

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7th Grade

The school skank was being very flirty with me, begging for hugs (I remember feeling too gross to touch her) and giving me attention. I had never experienced anything like that before so it was very exciting, I thought maybe she really liked me.

I was a little sick so my mom suggested I stay home the following friday, normally I would have jumped at the chance but I wanted to see her again and see what she would do, but nothing ever happened, it was like I didn't exist again.

I felt so silly, I could have missed a day from school but my dick got in the way, I think that was the turning point, I lost all faith in woman and went full aloof, ignoring all subtle advances, assuming all girls were just teasing me.

Now I'm 24 yo virgin. Never went from nice guy to alpha though, more like nice guy to out the game.

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>>35168850
pic related
A hot guy attracts girls. That is all there is to it.

>>35167321
just because you put "implying" before a sentence doesen't mean it's true you retard
what are mongoloids like you even doing on this board?

>>35168856
And a witty cultured uggo is handsome.

>>35168856
What makes you, a kissless virgin, think you know what girls like? You haven't even left the basement in years.

>>35168880
A desirable guy attracts girls. Girls also have differing tastes, believe it or not. One girl will find a guy plain while another will find the same guy hot.

>>35167346
>Wash your face. Use basic good hygiene.
LMAO
Honestly just kill yourself if you believe the BS you wrote in this post, and I say this as a person who doesen't even have any acne.

>>35168882
When all you have as a reply is insults, you know you're wrong.

>>35163494
I was cut off from social contact for six months. It was what it took for me to get back in touch with my cave man instincts.

>>35168933
Then why aren't you out there getting girls?

>>35167822

I don't think women can distinguish the "grey tones". Most of them are too simple minded to go past binary bullcrap

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>>35168886
Nope, he is still ugly and less desirable than an unfunny uncultured hot guy.
>>35168894
>oh no I have no arguments better resort to ad hominem
And sadly in my workplace there are a lot of girls, so I've seen it all first hand.
>>35168924
They all just like different flavors of chad. Pic related.

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>>35163494
When I grew into my Delaney phase, mhmm

When my 6/10 virgin GF of three years broke up with me and she and her family ghosted me entirely because she was afraid I was going to become violently abusive.

>>35168947
Where did you get the idea that I have to justify myself in front of people like you?
I'm not here to tell you my life story nor to change your mind, just pointing out how much of a retard you are

>>35168971
Only for a very wide definition of "Chad".

>>35169046
>three years
>virgin

You're doing it wrong.

>>35169132
She was a virgin when I got her.

>>35169160
How does it feel to be used goods now?

>>35169121
Chad = objectively hot guy
Not much more to it.

>>35168971
Are you a human that has issues styling the self?

>>35169269
>their not the

>>35169269
Styling will not change my hideous facial features. Saying otherwise is being disingenuous.

>>35169209
Chad is someone successful in life and with girls. Good looks is often part of it but not always. It's not a requirement.

Still am a "nice guy" kind of, just as much in a negative way as I used to be (like trying to pick up girls through chivalry - which (kind of?) worked for me as I went on a few dates with some below average looking girls. At the moment I dont care about my love life, which is the greatest improvement I've ever made.

>>35166803
>Understanding girls

>>35169333
There are no ugly Chads. Being hot is a prerequisite for being successful with women.

>>35163494

When i was 13, I just gave up and started not giving a fuck.
Somehow that translated to making friends easier, not sure how it works.

>>35169458
Probably no ugly Chads, but there are average looking Chads.

>>35169723
Yes, If you are ugly or below average you are a lost cause.

>>35163494
is this real? is this really waht all women think?

I did not grow out of it, I grew out of wanting women

Chad settled for me and I said okay

>>35163545
Rev up that story, pussy!

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>>35163494
when i realized women don't give a shit about me.

id have more luck with gays but im pretty sure im not gay.

i just don't really care anymore desu

>>35163836
>he looks creepy
>he must be a rapist/pedo
news for you roasties, you cant spot a rapist. (at least not by by interpreting certain movements/facial expressions as creepy.) if you are good in reading people, maybe you could (by default you arent)

>>35163494
Honestly? I never had one. I found /r9k/ and the dangers of being a nice guy before I ever had any significant interactions with women. Though, I still don't have any.

>>35167112
Normies don't get it.

They claim to be robots, but the moment they hang around real robots, they call them weirdos and laugh at them

>>35170185
>dangers of being a nice guy

What are those?

>>35170248
I mean how women view them and whatnot.

>abandon nice-guy shit
>couple of months later get laid
Coincidence?

>>35170262
You might be confusing "nice guy" with an actual nice guy.

>ever being a nice guy
What a load of crap, stop giving a shit about how some used up roastie piece of trash feels about you and start working for yourself.

>>35166323
Trust me I know dozens of butt ugly, weirdo dudes with average jobs who slay poon.

They're just sure of themselves. Confidence starts with believing you can be confident.

>muh social cues
Not all of us can read social cues and body language like you can do so well. Some of us are born in a way that makes it nearly impossible for us.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1215420/What-REALLY-makes-woman-want-sleep-man.html

READ THIS, all you need to know

>>35170348
>Trust me I know dozens of butt ugly, weirdo dudes with average jobs who slay poon.
And I know Putin and go golfing with him every friday.
>They're just sure of themselves. Confidence starts with believing you can be confident.
Confidence is only a thing if you are hot. A confident ugly guy is labeled creepy and a weirdo.

>>35170427

>daily mail
>only source is a book written by a woman.

It helped me realize just how lucky I am to have been born talk and attractive and that it probably helped me bloom my extroversion despite having grown up awkward as fuck, but come on, this is an article on dailymail the feminist central.

>>35168072
How do I handle just not talking to her anymore? Also, my dirty room. Or if she starts asking for a relationship

>>35170614

I'm loving these sourceless facts.

>source: my opinion.

>>35170643
As long as it goes along bitter virgin beliefs, no proofs is needed.

>>35170427
>read shit like this
>feel inadequate
>all those mediocre normies somehow manage to get qts anyway

>>35170649
>>35170643
>he's talking to himself now
BBDWTS

>>35170643
https://theblog.okcupid.com/your-looks-and-your-inbox-8715c0f1561e#.wax5isk99
Take a look at this study done by okcupid. Women find 80% of men unattractive. And if you look at the ones they find attractive, you will find they have a few things in common, and none of those things are confidence.
Also I would love to see YOUR sources.

>>35163494
when I discovered /r9k/. Thank you for showing me the light

>>35170427

be good looking - the article

>>35170614
>And I know Putin and go golfing with him every friday.
All this salt, don't be jealous that people have friends who occasionally pretend to like themselves.
>Confidence is only a thing if you are hot. A confident ugly guy is labeled [sic] creepy and a weirdo.
Your reading comprehension needs work. It's about playing mind games with yourself, not other people.

>>35163494
Never. I have always been a mean cunt

>>35170680
>Women find 80% of men unattractive.

Sad but true. The average guy just doesn't do anything for woman, but the average girl is more than enough for most guys.

>>35170731
Looks are the most important thing when it comes to dating. If you can factually prove otherwise, I'm all ears. And I mean actual proof, not "i know ugly guys who have gfs", not fringe cases. I want actual proof, scientific research, verified surveys etc.

>>35170761
Nice to see there is someone elsewho isn't blind to the 20/80 rule.

When I was 16, maybe late 15.

>>35163545
RRREEVVVVV up that greentext pham.

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>>35165776
>some niggas just have creepy body language. Stiff, rigid, strained, twitchy, aloof, eager.
I've known what's wrong for years, but I've never been able to put it into words. You have distilled its essence.

What can I do about it?
please respond ;___;

>>35166333
>literally this naive

>>35170947
Be attractive.
original post

>>35163494
Around the time I discovered I could use girls that friendzoned me to get other girls jealous.

Or maybe it was when my STEM autism started raining money on me, putting me in the bargaining seat in my mid-twenties.

after I realized it didn't work
now I just don't try because I'm defective product that no one could love

>>35170625
it's remarkably redpilled though, I was surprised myself considering the source that it just openly discusses how women want alphas not nice betas

>>35170680

And yet the vast majority of men get laid even if only a minority of men are amongst yhe attractive threshold.

Statistics represent reality poorly. They give a vague idea, but never the big picture.

Facts are, indeed, that average men will have to work hard while average women hardly have to, but it's still possible for the vast majority of average men to get laid with cuties if they try enough and have a good game. Iy's unfair, but, hey, welcome to IRL where nothing was ever fair. Either deal with it or stop posting here, get out there and instill some positive change.

>>35171247
>Either deal with it or stop posting here

Nigger the entire point of this board is to be pathetic and complain.

>>35171247
not him, but why do you even come here?
no one wanted or needed your attempt to feel superior

>>35167782
>ugly guy tries haing casual, confident body language
>Lol, he's such a tryhard
>Look at this guy trying to look cool
Kill yourself

>>35171247
>Iy's unfair, but, hey, welcome to IRL where nothing was ever fair. Either deal with it or stop posting here, get out there and instill some positive change.

That's easy for anyone to say, that's why I hate faggots like you, you use the fact that its not literally impossible for a fat autistic loser to get a gf to belittle our struggle.

It is fucking retarded the amount of effort you have to do just to play in a girls stinky holes, so I'm not gonna "work hard" just to please dumb cunts, any self respecting man would rather die a virgin.

>>35163494
It was more progressive for me. I became more assertive my senior year of high school, but didn't completely get out of is until a few weeks ago when two days after I lost my virginity, my gf at the time admitted that she still had feelings for her ex. Now I just started tinder about 3 days ago and am trying to get meaningless sex out of my matches. Also, I'm a first year college student for time reference.

I'm still a nice guy

I just don't beta orbit anymore or intentionally act more awkward to push women away faster

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>girl broke up with me because she thought she might be a lesbian
>goes out with another boy not even a month later
>and another one a few months after that
She did eventually come out as a lesbian and has been with another girl for a few years now but it was still pretty shitty at the time. Not only that but she pretty much cited me as the reason she went off men.

There was another girl who said I put her off white people but that's a story for another time.
>tfw put girls off my entire gender and entire race

>>35171287

Why do you care that I'm here? Why can't you shrug off my opinion? Why are you under the assumption that I'm trying to feel superior? Why are youbso easily triggered?

I can play the 20 questions game too, but I'll answer your question. Only a mere 2 years ago I was a kissless virgin and I posted redpill bullshit along with you. Then I started socializing more and this lead to me losing my virginity. I still post here because I've been there and also internet is not serious business. I might justify myself, but I owe you no explanation.

Some of the redpill is true, but going out there, I realized most of it is pure bullshit. So I tell it as it is. stats don't represent the big picture accurately. Women desire attractive men the most, but have to accept the reality that most are average. The 80/20 ratio is a lie and if it were true, the majority of men would be virgins.

I post here because I want to.

>>35170348
>Trust me I know dozens of butt ugly, weirdo dudes with average jobs who slay poon.
here we go again with these exaggerated normie anecdotes that do nothing but undermine the experiences of actual weird people. "dude my friend is fat and ugly as fuck lmao but he can slay pussy like nobody else. he's a real weirdo i mean you should listen to the fucking hilarious shit he says at parties. guy is funny as fuck. you could be like him too if you were just confident."
it's like, no, your friend is not butt ugly or weird. he's an average looking guy with an average job, an apartment of his own and a social life. he feels comfortable being outside and talking to other people every day. he knows basic social cues and doesn't stutter when he talks or act nervous or out of place in any way. he grooms himself well and has a decent haircut that doesn't stand out too much when he's out in public. he has a vulgar sort of humor that most men his age have and people find that funny but also acceptable.
he's far from being weird, he's actually very normal.

normie self-help advice basically boil down to: "you have to make an attitude change". which translates to: "i don't know the situation you're in and frankly i don't care but i'm gonna pretend i'm here to help you when i'm actually just trying to prevent myself from having to think about the idea that other people may have had a more difficult life than me because of genetical and environmental factors by giving you the laziest, impractical and most torturous advice you can ever give to any person with any kind of problem which is you are not trying hard enough and i'm gonna make you feel guilty about that".

>>35171481
tl;dr I'm a lazy sack of shit who wants to be given a gf with no effort when everyone else has to work for it

I played LoL with a girl and would follow her around protecting her. When she was having a bad game I would cheer her on. The memories hurt.

>>35171549
>when everyone else has to work for it

bull fucking shit

be attractive, get laid. so hard.

>>35168941
Elaborate por favor

>>35163494
I'm still nice, just not a "nice guy".

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Nice Guys are for when the women get old and busted and need them betabux

>>35171734

Anon, even attractive guys have to work for it, attractive guys just have more opportunitirs and have the luxury of getting approached. It still doesn't change the fact that women are picky as fuck and make any man jump through hoops for the poon.

>>35171734
Being attractive takes work. Going out there and talking to girls takes work. Nobody ever got a gf by fapping to animu in the basement all day long without even showering.

>>35171758
This bullshit article is obviously written by a guy.

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>>35163545
Same. You're not alone, anon.

>>35171778
>Anon, even attractive guys have to work for it

lol

>Being attractive takes work.

Not if you are born with the right genes under the right circumstances.

>>35171758

Top kek, not a single woman would touch a so-called "nice guy"

>>35164126
>Has girls that actually like him
>Thinks hes not a normie
Back to /reddit/, kiddo

>>35171872
It's a troll article written by a bitter virgin.

>>35171855

Nice reading comprehension.

>being attractive takes work.

That's not even what I said.

If you havent had sex by the time you turn 25, it is too late. No point in changing anymore. My life is wasted beyond point of repair.

There is only vidya, anime, 4chan and crippling loneliness for the rest of the days I have left.