Why not just become Christian?

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>>35064759
but anon, I was confirmed and everything

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>>35064759
Because I already am, anon! :)

Time for another /r9k/ Christian thread!

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>>35064759
YES ANOTHER CHRISTIAN THREAD

TIME TO GET COZY

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YOUTUBE WEBM COMPILATION CHRISTIAN GIRL FUCK

Tried it, didn't like it. Being an atheist is pretty enjoyable.

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>>35064830
A christian life is the only life

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>tfw being a Christian in any liberal area makes you free game for contempt and mocking
>tfw all the nearby churches are Protestant
>tfw Rome is advocating for Islam and globalism
>tfw you can be pretty much a social reject for being openly Christian, even if you don't go around preaching or witnessing or even really talking about it in public

Well, I guess things have been like this before.

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>>35064759

i pray to egyptian animal gods, but i would still take Jerusalem back with you

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Y'all like For Today?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0CmlDzMAsPA

>>35064921
Go Greek Orthodox(tm).

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>>35064899
I don't know how that is possible

Aw, yay. I'm a Christian fembot anon and it's the best.

>>35064759
>>35064830
Isn't the content of this board offensive to you guys? Why come here?

>>35064982
Where else are we going to go?

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>>35064982
We come to feel better about ourselves

>>35064946
That's what I am! Sadly Eastern Orthodox churches are rare enough in America, much less in a very liberal area.

I've considered writing the nearest main body and asking them what to do but I'm not sure if that'd seem weird to them.

>>35065009
I'd imagine the blue boards. /r9k/ has constant porn spam and other very non-Christian friendly content.

>>35064982
Not really, we're still normal everyday people, anon. Not all of us are fundamentalist pearl clutchers. Plus being a Christian doesn't exclude you from being a robot.

I'm not sure Jesus ever said anything about shitposting.

>>35064759
I already did, dumbass
The "Catholic girls are sex-starved sluts" meme is a myth

>>35064964
You just live an unrestrained life, not caring about what happens to your "soul" after you die. Give it a try for a week, don't pray, don't go to church, don't think about what "god" would or wouldn't approve of. Just go out and have fun, reasonably.

>>35064972
ONTARIO

ONTARIO WRITTEN VERTICALLY

>>35064942
Posting from phone? KEK

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>>35064759
Fuck off christcuck
677&+

>>35064964

who got the "and she laid with men with the genitals of horses" one?

>>35064759
Why the fuck would I want to worship a dead kike on a stick?

>>35065042
Provided you're not just memeing, do you go to church? I'm open to religion but I never got anything out of church when my parents made me go.

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>>35065120
very not nice anon

>>35065048
I was both into a very atheist family, anon. Live that life. Had a lot of fun and all that. Didn't party and not into that "born again" weird shit. To me it isn't thinking of what God would or wouldn't approve of. Most of it is basic shit that falls under the umbrella of "don't be an asshole" anyways. It's more of considering if a specific act would bring oneself closer to God through bringing goodness into the world or if I am harming the world and fellow people in some way. There's a little more to it than "Is God going to roast my ass if I do or don't do this?"

>>35064759
Because different religion. That being said I respect all religion until they preach negativity or claim that nonfollowers won't go to Heaven or whatever.

>>35065044
Nice dubs, but no need to get hostile.

>>35065190
That was always my take on Christianity as well. Seems pretty relaxed and flexible. It's basic don't be a dick stuff with occasional prayer.

>>35065204
>claim that nonfollowers won't go to Heaven

Most religions say that.

>>35065143
No, but only because there are no Orthodox churches near me. I live on the west coast and they have very little presence here. When I am in an area where there is on, say for work or vacation I explain my situation and attend there.

Sometimes on holidays I'll go to another one and sit in the back and just think on things, sometimes related to the divine and sometimes not.

Being made to go doesn't ever quite work. I had an aunt who did that and it only pushed me towards the atheism I embraced for most of my life. For me, I believe in a God as the prime mover, and Jesus being put to death by crucifixion is considered historical fact by scholars. So I give Jesus the benefit of the doubt and place my faith in him.

Guess what? If I'm wrong I'll just have spent my life trying to bring good into the world and looking out for fellow human beings.

>>35065277
Yeah I just found it so boring and I was never able to pay attention. I did however enjoy the communal aspect. It's a great support network.

>>35065308
Yeah, I'm not going to pretend I pay attention most of the time either. A lot of the whole sitting in the pew time is mostly spent thinking about other things or considering aspects of Christianity while treating the sermon like background noise.

To me it is more of a place that helps get into the right mindset of things, being at a church service that is. Having there be a community that knows you sure doesn't hurt either.

>>35064759
1) It's (obviously) false
2) It's immoral
3) It won't improve my life

>>35065226
I'm pretty sure "you will burn forever and ever for praising the wrong god in one single life" is exclusive to christianity and islam.

>>35065424
Pretty sure even conservative bodies such as the Catholic church allow for cases where those that never had a chance to hear or learn about Jesus to be accepted by God in the end.

Besides, not all of us are in it for the afterlife deal. I know if I ever do see Jesus I'll probably just ask to dream forever or whatever.

But yeah, the whole Hell experience before oblivion death sounds super rough. Maybe you should go to church, anon?

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I'm trying really hard. I love everything about Lutherans, but I can't make myself believe in any of it. I wish I could. It feels terrible. I just want to be comfortable and calm

I'm wish I could be. Can someone convince me God is real?

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>>35064830
Fuck off Chiristcuck

>>35065571
Treat it as a moral and philosophical framework at first, anon. There's much more to the modern body of Christian works than the Bible, if you're tired of reading it for a moment. Great works like St. Augistine's material or Spinoza's Ethica are just waiting to be picked up.

It's not exactly a fake it as you make it sort of thing but you moreso grow into the faith. It's a gradual process.

Also look how well Christian countries have done throughout most of history. The West is great for a reason and countries that go atheist or otherwise seem to eat shit super hard. It's almost like something might be nudging Christian countries for their benefit.

>>35065226
Yes, but not all followers say that, and that's what I respect. I have enough conviction in my morality that even if Christians end up being right about Heaven and Hell, I know I'd go to Heaven. I'd even say that immoral Christians could "go to Hell" (I don't believe in either place but just in theory). An omnipotent God that created the Universe wouldn't deny access to Heaven based off of religion, just take a look at all the moral people that aren't Christian. At the end of the day, it's about being a good person.

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>>35064830
/comfy/
Ave Maria originoli

>>35064759
Because the future belongs to Islam.
Inshallah, Allahu Ackbar.

>>35065620
To me the best argument made for God is made by Spinoza in his book Ethica/Ethics. It is a very improved version of the traditional ontological arguments by approaching the arguments for God instead through geometric means.

There's multiple neutral historic sources that mention that Jesus got crucified. True, we're not sure if he got crucified on a cross, that part is an assumption. There are plenty of ways to crucify something, such as just straight up nailing their ass to a tree.

So I give it the benefit of the doubt. What does it hurt, anon? Besides, Jesus may be the only one who loves your sorry robot self.

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>>35065712
one of the best Christ chan pictures

>>35065644
The premise of Christianity is that your soul needs to be cleansed of sin in order to get to heaven.

>>35065571
why Lutherans specifically?

>>35065729
Sure thing, Haji. All of you couldn't even win against Israel. A lot of Western Europe might Balkanize in the future but most of Eastern Europe and the rest of the West will still hold up.

When the U.S., China, Russia, and India are kind of getting tired of your shit your days are numbered. Iran will be the next to fall, since you clearly haven't learned after watching Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya all get fucking wrecked.

At the end of the day Israel will have Jerusalem again and the Middle East will stay forever fucked while even Africa grows and starts to seem kind of nice almost.

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>>35065571
this:
>>35065642


also read this. very comfy. very aesthetic. very inspiring. I didn't believe in god before I read it.

>>35065753
I don't know, anon. To me the premise more is to bring good into the world. Have you ever read Proverbs? It's pretty much some very well written moral framework stuff. My favorite and most read book. Sin sucks but I'm not sure we're exactly cleansed of it. Things may be forgiven but that's not the same as being cleansed.

>>35065834
>he's still fantasizing
Allahu Ackbar, welcome to the great caliphate of the United Kingdoms of Allah.
If that does not satisfy you, how about Canada? We have a lot of great mosques there.

I'm a sexual pervert and can't live without masturbating.

I won't say much...
>I don't give a fuck about religion
>I don't know what to believe
>my parents never inculcating me any idea either political or religious

>>35065917
Have you ever tried saying the opposite?

You're a good person and you'll stop watching porn?

>>35065949
>You're a good person and you'll stop watching porn?
these are not exclusive descriptions

this is your brain on religion xd

>>35065949
But I'm not a good person. I have made the decision to stop porn/masturbation many times. I'm like the pig that goes back to the mud after being washed, or the Ethiopian who can't change his skin. I'm too accustomed to my sin.

>>35064921
>tfw being a Christian in any liberal area makes you free game for contempt and mocking
>tfw you can be pretty much a social reject for being openly Christian

Nope

>>35065856
That does look super great, anon. I'll read through it. Big thanks for the recommendation!

>>35065917
I've always wondered what the big deal about masturbation is. It seems so natural that even animals sometimes kind of engage in it. Also seems like a great way to get some relief without banging a whore.

I can't even remember where the Bible says that masturbating is bad. Onad or whoever got his ass fried not because of what he did, but because God gave him very simple and specific orders and he decided not to do it.

Think about that. Let's say God or Jesus or whatever you want shows up and tells you to do a few simple things, like multiple with your dead brother's wife. Would you do as God asked and if you disobeyed God when presented proof of God by God, would you be surprised if he wrecked you super hard for disobeying? I mean, God's there, he's telling you to do it, and you don't and he drops the hammer on your dumb self. That's what Onad or whoever got blow the fuck out for, not for masturbating or whatever.

>>35065532
>Pretty sure even conservative bodies such as the Catholic church allow for cases where those that never had a chance to hear or learn about Jesus to be accepted by God in the end.
Ok, but it doesn't make the idea much better. Knowing that conscious beings will suffer forever and some of them will be your family and friends is still revolting.

>Besides, not all of us are in it for the afterlife deal. I know if I ever do see Jesus I'll probably just ask to dream forever or whatever.
You must be a pretty liberal christian anon.

>But yeah, the whole Hell experience before oblivion death sounds super rough. Maybe you should go to church, anon?
God knows our thoughts, doesn't he? If he does, he knows I find christianity distasteful. He wouldn't accept my insincere prayers.

>>35065985
It's almost like god gave you your balls and your sex drive. You might as well say people are immoral for breathing.

>>35065983
this is an egg in a frying pan

>>35065983
he doesn't seem to think so:
>>35065985

lol fedoras and their "logic traps"

>>35065985
it's ok to give in and go right back to quitting. your despair comes from the idea that you have to be "pure". I'm willing to bet 99% of priests give in and jerk off at least bi-annually.

what changed the game for me was realizing that "quitting" and self-control is a muscle that needs to be exercised. each stretch of time strengthens your self control, even if you give in at the end. just go right back and try again. I almost gave in a few hours ago, but decided to shower and let the urge go away and now I'm 100% certain I won't give in tonight

read this for inspiration:
http://pastebin.com/YH4uZeNH

my main motivation for avoiding porn is that I feel much more lively and virile when I avoid it. when I jerk to porn, it's the highlight of my day, the only thing I look forward to. it flattens my day-to-day experiences and kills my motivation to do anything else. for me, it's really an addiction I have to keep under control.

keep in mind your sneaky rationalizations and triggers that draw you back to whatever your degenerate fetishes are and snuff them out before the thought even finishes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6U8A_mrrbY

>>35065989
You're literally afraid of liberals mocking you. That's pathetic. How would they even know what your beliefs are?

Stop being a fucking coward and do what you believe in.

>>35066170
>lol fedoras and their "logic traps"
heres another one for you:

just because he doesnt think that hes a good person and he equates it with the fact that he cant quit jacking it, doesnt mean that all people that arent able to quit jacking it arent good people. thats logic for you.

i understand why your type makes fun of logic. its still retarded. that kind of thinking is a detriment to the human race. have fun making fun of reason and calling people who use their brains "fedoras"!!.

>>35066063
>I've always wondered what the big deal about masturbation is. It seems so natural that even animals sometimes kind of engage in it. Also seems like a great way to get some relief without banging a whore.

without going all wizard on you, I don't think masturbation is *especially* harmful on its own. but in the age of 24/7 HD porn, many people get addicted and it affects their lives negatively.

my life goes a LOT better when I avoid porn. I've done multiple experiments and documented it pretty extensively. that's just anecdotal though, you may not experience the same results, but it's worth a shot to see if you can.

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>>35064759
>Pretending there's something waiting for you in the afterlife
>Wasting life energy to praise a fake figure
>Being wrong
>Holding humanity back

No thanks

I grew up in a christian household, I went to church twice a week my entire life until I was 17, I've read the bible cover to cover.

I'm not a Christian anymore because I'm a tranny. Religion brings nothing but pain if you can't meet God's standards

>>35066130
But they don't suffer forever, anon! They just get roasted super hard or whatever for about a thousand years before they all get put to the traditional oblivion-death that atheists promote. And it does make the idea a little better, doesn't it? Hey, they had their chance too.

I wouldn't say I'm liberal. I just focus on different things. Since I was raised in an atheist family that pretty much never mentioned God or has ever promoted the philosophy of Christianity, I found my own way to Christ. Like I've been to China and toured monasteries in different places, sat through Jewish services, and all that. A lot of those beliefs focus more on this life than the next and I think that has influenced my Christian belief on the matter. Besides, Heaven doesn't sound like it has cigarettes.

Yeah, guess what, that's part of why prayers have to be sincere. It's a cultivated thing. And if he chooses to know our thoughts, it's not as if that invalidates our perfectly free will. Think of it like standing back and watching a recording of someone. Just because you know what they will do later before they do it doesn't rob them of free will in any way.

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>>35066207
Why did you reply to me?

hmmblox

I wish I could be a Christian. I think I'd be good at it. I'm pretty sure that, if I knew God was real, I'd be the type of Christian who sells everything he has and goes to Africa as a missionary. I'd give it my all.

But... you know a tree by its fruits. Where are the fruits of Christianity? Jesus said that anyone who believed in him would do the same miracles that he did and even greater. Where are all the miracles? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I've seen nothing to indicate the being a Christian is better than being anything else.

I really, really wanted to be a Christian. I did the thing where I invited Jesus into my heart. I did it many times. I really meant it, every time. Literally nothing happened since to make me think I wasn't just talking to myself. I needed something to live for. I'm probably going to shoot myself in the near future. If God wanted me, all he had to do was give the tiniest indication, but there was nothing.

C'est la vie. I'm happy for anyone who can believe this stuff.

>>35066264
>tfw even Apu is smart enough to turn towards God

>>35066343
you may think that is a good argument, but it most certainly isnt. its so bad that i actually think youre a troll. if you arent, you shot yourself in the foot.

>>35066237
>just because he doesnt think that hes a good person and he equates it with the fact that he cant quit jacking it, doesnt mean that all people that arent able to quit jacking it arent good people
HOLY SHIT THE AUTISM

it was clear from his statement that he felt bad about his addiction. from his perspective (I know autists have trouble with self-insertion that doesn't involve dragon dildos, sorry) his statement amounted to "I'm a degenerate loser and am trapped in my addiction". The opposite of that would have been a self-affirming statement such as "I'm a good person and I'm gonna quit my addiction".

This is why people make fun of your "logic". Not because logic is bad, but because you take a stupidly reductionist position and miss the point.

>>35066271
you should expand your conception of god. trannies are mentally ill, but that doesn't mean you can't find god.

>>35066314
Do you not think Joan of Arc was a miracle? It's so beyond belief that an absolute peasant, a woman at that, would lead French troops to multiple successes, even continuing on after being struck down by an arrow.

Another example I think just might be a genuine miracle are the actions of Roy Benavidez's actions in Vietnam. The man almost single-handledly engaged over a hundred enemy Vietnamese for about six hours. This is after he was healed from a previous wound that was supposed to paralyze him.

>>35066379
>but that doesn't mean you can't find god.
It's not simply because I'm a tranny, but the reality of agonizing, unescapable gender dysphoria is what led me to really stop pretending with myself, it's what started the path.

The problem of evil has no satisfactory explanation to me. If God exists, he is the most objectively cruel and evil force that exists. The only way to rationalize mortality is through an indifferent universe.

>>35066314
have you read about gnosticism?

you can know god *directly*. beyond a matter of belief or faith. you should first understand that much of the bible is allegory and philosophy. the "truth" in the bible is hidden deeper under it all. this is why different books of the bible have occasionally contradictory accounts of jesus' life. if you were supposed to take it literally, they wouldn't allow 3 contradictory books to be canonical

god does exist though. there's some force, some higher reality that you can tap into if you train for it. the bible tells you how.

>>35066379
>his statement amounted to "I'm a degenerate loser and am trapped in my addiction". The opposite of that would have been a self-affirming statement such as "I'm a good person and I'm gonna quit my addiction".
the opposite of "degenerate loser" is not "good person". one can be considered morally good whilst being a degenerate failure.

>HOLY SHIT THE AUTISM
>(I know autists have trouble with self-insertion that doesn't involve dragon dildos, sorry)
notice how the fedora hasnt insulted you once, but the morally righteous man of god has, several times? hmm, made me think. jebis would be proud of you. keep it up.

>>35066439
>he is the most objectively cruel and evil force that exists

I don't know, destroying a bunch of faggot kids with some bears is still pretty fucking ayylmao to me tbhfam.

The problem of evil is resolved when you realize that goodness must be brought into this world through the hands of humanity. God isn't going to do it for us. That's why a large portion of Christians believe in salvation through both faith and good works.

We could be out volunteering to fight hunger or trafficking or a thousand other things right now, or working an extra job to donate to those causes, but we aren't. No one really does. Surprise, we could resolve a lot of evil if we really wanted.

>>35066439
try gnosticism. I've heard it appeals to trannies because it denies that our physical bodies are our true bodies. they believe our deeper, truer selves are inherently feminine

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>>35064759
Hello!!!
I love Christian threads on /r9k/

On yesterday's Christian thread, there was an anon who objected to searching for women in the Church, arguing that the women there had had a past, despite it being a conservative young adult group. (more than likely "conservative" by Protestant standards, but I digress).

He said he was searching for a virgin gf just like him.

I'd like to talk to that anon or anyone else with experience with dating girls from Church and how it is.

:^)

>>35066451
youre an autistic faggot and I hope you get raped. lol @ your juvenile concept of god and religion

>B-BUT U CANT SAY BAD WYRDS IM TELLING GOD

>>35066538
pls no bully others in this thread, anon

We're all here to have civil Christian discussion. :)

You can join in if you want.

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>>35066538
thats beautiful. keep going. gotta hand it to you though, at least you briefly attempted to defend your point.

god is a the gay???!!

>>35066502
>The problem of evil is resolved when you realize that goodness must be brought into this world through the hands of humanity. God isn't going to do it for us. That's why a large portion of Christians believe in salvation through both faith and good works.

Why does God allow beings incapable of understanding his teachings to suffer and die in agony?
Why does God allow humans out of reach of the hands of Christianity to suffer and die in agony?
Why does God allow ignorant savages in africa to rape newborn children in the blind hopes of curing their hope? Why did God create a universe in which this is even a possibility?

>We could be out volunteering to fight hunger or trafficking or a thousand other things right now, or working an extra job to donate to those causes, but we aren't. No one really does. Surprise, we could resolve a lot of evil if we really wanted.
The world is far more complex than this. You give free food to African countries, the local farmers are put out of business. Either famine spreads and the people need more food, or an eternal dependence is established.

If for every one person who does good (by your concept of good), donates to charity, lives for others, is totally selfless, there was another person on the other side of the world who died horribly or lived a lifetime of misery and pain, the goodness of one person would not make up for the agony of the other person. In reality, for every one person who does 'good', thousands live in misery. God allows this. It's his way of punishing humanity? How can humanity meet that insane, impossible standard? God made us with all our faults, greed, and self-motivated interests, to do his will PERFECTLY is to fight his own design.

>>35066613
>blind hopes of curing their hope
I meant aids but I'm sure you got that

Because the fact that anyone of us monkey-people who live on one of a billion planets in our galaxy amongst a billion galaxies thinks we have any concept of how the universe was made and how it works is autistically arrogant and way overestimates their importance.

This goes for atheist fags as well who assert there is no God. Really anyone who thinks they have the right answer to the creation of the universe.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97k4z6Qe7JM

If you all have time, this is quite worth it.

>>35066416
>Do you not think Joan of Arc was a miracle?

They burned Joan of Arc alive. At 19 years old. Imagine that. Joan of Arc is, like, the opposite of a miracle. She was a mascot that died screaming.

>>35066447

>there's some force, some higher reality that you can tap into if you train for it. the bible tells you how.

That's very vague. People don't need an allegory that they can decode to tap into higher realities. They're suffering and they need help. That's what Jesus was supposedly about.

And a lot of people have bibles. If they were training manuals for tapping into higher realities, someone, somewhere, would be doing that, and we would have heard about it. Know a tree by its fruits. Christianity is a barren tree.

>>35064759
https://www.youtube.com/user/DrOakley1689

Good channel to learn things, I've been helped immensely by it.

>>35066613
I could get very esoteric at this point but I'll sum it up as I see the world as an overall reflection of the state of humanity, and many of us are very twisted creatures. When a child has cancer it's not because God decided to shit on that kid, it's the manifestation of our sins entering this world. And no, I'm not saying it can be prayed away or whatever dumb shit, it's still real cancer.

But we also live in a beautiful world that enables us to progress and make the world better and better. Now we're starting to cure and help those that suffer like we never could before, and we're only getting better at it.

Maybe the solution to places like Africa isn't just giving them free food, but by teaching them, investing in them, and giving them the methods and means to stand on their own two feet. Maybe free food isn't enough.

And we can't meet the impossible standards, welcome to part of the reason why Jesus is said to have died for us. We can only do the best we can.

I spent years trying to believe because I think it's a beautiful idea and I want it to be true, but I couldn't do it.

Read a lot of apologetics, listened to many sermons, talked to christians online and irl, got down on my knees and prayed asking god to give me faith. Got nothing.

If it turns out god is real I'll just have to hope that wanting to believe was good enough for him.

>>35066506
Just more lies.
>they believe our deeper, truer selves are inherently feminine
Even as a tranny I can't buy this at all. I don't have a female soul, I don't believe there is a soul. I wasn't 'meant' to be a girl but somehow born a guy, just as I wasn't 'meant' to be a guy who wants to be a girl. I have these feelings because the part of my brain that enables the self-concept of gender identity is defective. That's the only explanation that has satisfied me in a lifetime of questioning and research.

>>35066713
>We can only do the best we can.
You already contradicted yourself. If you do the best you can, by no fault of your own you are still bound to live in a 'twisted', cruel reality due to the actions of others. Your argument is literally the same as people saying that all white people TODAY are evil because of the actions of some white people in the past.

Why does God punish people for the mistakes of others?

>>35066701
I don't think those that are participants in a miracle or the Saint like types were ever immune to getting super killed.

What if she was a mascot? Does it change her accomplishments in the field and the fact the moral boost she gave her countrymen helped them finally win the war?

>>35066746
Because if everything was rosy we'd have no need to improve our lot or help others or any of that shit. Life's rough. I see God as the prime mover and now we're kind of on our own before God opts to show up again, which I like to imagine will be when the last human dies.

>>35066754

We're using different definitions of the word "miracle." Joan of Arc may have been an inspiring figure, but to me a miracle is something that only God can do. I.e., curing lepers, healing the blind, resurrecting the dead.

Millions of Christians pray daily for a miracle that will never come. There's no other explanation I can think of other than that the God they're praying to isn't there.

I suspect most of the Christians in this thread are relatively happy right now, but a day will come when something will happen that they'll need to seek God's help with, and they will see that it's not forthcoming. If your faith can survive that, all the best. But the simplest, most elegant answer is usually the correct one.

>>35066788
>Because if everything was rosy we'd have no need to improve our lot or help others or any of that shit
How is this a bad thing? If no one needed to help each other because the world was designed where this wasn't necessary, why would that not be acceptable, especially if it was God's will?

Why didn't God simply make people more caring and kind-hearted in our existence then?

Why did God create a universe in which we need to be kind and selfless to balance out the overwhelming cruelty and savagery of our world?

>Life's rough
Then God made life that way, God deliberately chose to make a world where by his design, pain is inflicted on his creations for all time.

>>35066170
>http://pastebin.com/YH4uZeNH
Interesting read. Not sure I fully believe the magical mumbo jumbo but it was encouraging the way he puts masturbation into perspective.

>>35066837
How about Roy Benavidez's actions in his medal of honor citation? I see no way a man could have survived what he was faced with without divine intervention, especially after his past wounds.

Yeah, maybe a bunch of people do pray for miracles. I don't. I just pray for nice things like world peace and homeless people being OK and friends and family all being well. Another explanation is if God handed you anything it would undermine having to do those things on your own.

>>35066840
Think of how stubborn and lazy humanity as a whole already is sometimes. Making things easier on us would have just let us be even lazier. Growth and experience sometimes happen through pain.

You seem to think the world could be a lot better. I like to think it also could be a fuck of a lot worse.

>>35066941
>You seem to think the world could be a lot better. I like to think it also could be a fuck of a lot worse.
Obviously those are both possibilities, and your statement doesn't help your argument at all.

>Hey, God is good because he could have made the world even shittier
Why even bring that up?

>Making things easier on us would have just let us be even lazier.
If we were truly stubborn and lazy as a whole, do you really think we would even have reached the point where we can argue about this with technology from across the world?

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>>35064759

I'm in the process of it!

Hanging around the church and going to religious ed classes has brought back a lot of cozy childhood memories. It's weird that I got sucked into the edgy atheist fad in college since in hindsight all the Christians I knew growing up were pretty cool people(except one born-again girl).

I'm really liking the Episcopal rituals and church aesthetic though they're a shade more liberal than I'm comfortable with.

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>>35066982
Look, if you want to be an atheist sadsack of a tranny that throws away any notion of God because life isn't good all the time that's your choice.

In the meantime I'll be trying to advocate hope and love for an imperfect world and faith to those who will listen.

I hope you get better someday, anon.

I was raised Christian (Church of Christ), and all it did was frighten me with hell.

The people who claim to find peace of mind from Christianity are people whose moral compass is so fucked that they find the idea of hell acceptable, or people who ignore any part of the Bible that isn't the sermon on the mount.

>>35066989
Why does that kind of look like Zelda framed by a bunch of Links?

>>35067035
Also, being a bi tranny doesn't help either.

>>35067035
>thinks Christians are the ones with fucked up morals
>supports the same atheism and rejection of Christian values that so many murderous regimes and shitholes follow

Huh.

>>35067023
>Look, if you want to be an atheist sadsack of a tranny that throws away any notion of God because life isn't good all the time that's your choice.
A comically weak distortion of everything I've said.

>We could be out volunteering to fight hunger or trafficking or a thousand other things right now, or working an extra job to donate to those causes, but we aren't. No one really does.
>I see the world as an overall reflection of the state of humanity, and many of us are very twisted creatures
>Because if everything was rosy we'd have no need to improve our lot or help others or any of that shit.
>Think of how stubborn and lazy humanity as a whole already is sometimes. Making things easier on us would have just let us be even lazier
Every one of your posts shows your true disdain for the human race. God is your answer to making us better. Being a good person because you genuinely care for your fellow man is truly noble, being a good person because God told you to is not.

>>35064759
I already had enough shit in this life
I don't want it to continue after my death

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>>35067037

It's based on the Book of Kells.

>>35067084
>i'm bad but at least i'm not stalin!

Your logic isn't valid.

>>35067084
Muslims murder people in the name of God all the time

>>35067035

Hell is more of a apocryphal warning. The torment of life without God and so on. In the same way most of the people at a Shinto temple don't literally believe that Japan was created by a god dipping his spear into the ocean.

>>35067084
Most shitholes are Islamic, which worship the same God, and share your opinions on women, gays, and non believers.

>>35067155

I don't think so, TIm! Christians get along amazingly well with their non-Christian neighbors. There aren't Christians and Buddhists killing each other in South Korea, for instance.

Islam is the religion that causes problems all over the world.

>>35067195
Islam is just the extreme end of Christianity. The religion as a whole is unnecessary at best and a dangerous blight on civilization and the world at worst.

>>35067154
Is hell still eternal suffering? If it is then it doesn't matter if the fire is literal or not.

> Live in SF
> Openly Christian
>Lost friends after telling them I go to mass every weekend
> Stopped going to early mass and I now go at 11:00

Am I badass or what?

Can a believer in this thread pray for me to receive faith? I want to believe but I just can't

I've tried praying for faith myself but it didn't work

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>>35067277

I'm in the same boat. Let's each say a quick prayer for the other. Try to get a loop going, you know?

>>35067155
They worship Mohamed's god, not ours, anon. The god that Mohamed claims to follow is as much God as the god from Silent Hill 3 is. And Mohamed's is just the same, a twisted perversion.

Just because they claim to doesn't make them right.

>>35067277
You cultivate faith, anon. That's the trick to it. Think of it as the same process that a lot of eastern meditation uses; mainly that understanding and faith and such are gained through careful cultivation and mindful practice, not through sudden insight. Well, some eastern stuff advocates sudden insight but not all of it does.

>>35067342
Okay! I just did it. Got up off my bed and knelt down and everything haha. I hope it works for you.

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What are your guys' favorite non-Christian religions? I'm really obsessed with Sikhism and Zoroastrianism and think they're definitely on the right track.

>>35067397
Buddhism. I'm big on them and took a trip to Asia to go talk to some monks and do a little touring and all that. I think that a lot of Guatama Siddhartha's teachings are very true and rival The Sermon On The Mount. The majority of Theravada Buddhism, which lacks supernatural elements as opposed to Mahayana Buddhism, seems perfectly compatible with Christian belief and philosophy.

Once in a while I do some meditation in a formal way.

>>35064759
Still waiting on that whole "actual evidence" thing.

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I got ousted out of the bible club in my college cause I slept with one of the girls in it and then she filed a title 9 case against me.

Didn't shake my faith thou

>>35067567
>Bible club

If I had to sit through anything but a formal course or normal church service I'd poison myself to get out of it. Those sorts of meetings have always made me want to just kind of die the entire time I'm there.

Because most Christians are bigots. Just look how they react about the curent Pope.

>>35065044
They're so hot tho
>tfw no prudish traditional catholic gf

>>35064759
Not only am I already one, but deep religious devotion scares me and it won't solve my underlying problems

>>35067397
bro, same

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>>35064759
>everybody hates you on the world
>there is some magical wizard nobody has ever seen BUT he loves you

>>35064919
A crazy cute christian girl sounds great but I'm still disgusting.

>>35068913
But a shitton of people saw Jesus, anon.

Blind faith isn't going to help me, only self reliance will and I don't need god. If there was tangible proof of a god then cool I'm in but none of this "u jus gotta believe bro" nonsense.

>>35068947
Send me a postcard from Hell, anon. I hear it's going to be super fucking rough.

>>35068927
Jesus isn't God.

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>>35068913
A shitton of people saw cute cartoon girl #23432423 and there is a better chance she loves you than some made up guy who only asks for your total obedience or you go to hell.

>>35068954

I'll just lean over and talk to you beside me after it turns out you got the wrong sub-sub-sub-sub set of your religion.

>>35068957
But Jesus is God, anon. It looks like you need to keep working on being able to grasp the concept of the Trinity.

>>35069030
Well, it doesn't sound like Heaven is going to have cigarettes or shitposting.

>>35068954
>if you don't believe in god you're GOING TO HELL

Hell as a concept is a fear tactic created by the church to sustain order and control over the people. I understand the values that I gain from being a Christian but I need tangible evidence of a god before I get that kind of devotion.

>inb4 Le reddit fedora tipper

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>>35064759

why does christ chan look so much like Desu?

>>35069047
>concept of the trinity
You say that, but it's presumptuous to assume the trinity is real or even Christianity is correct.

>was a believer until I started seeing people do the exact opposite of what was preached
>Sitting in a baptist church listening to gospel, sounded nice but something sounded off
>We go to a cook out later and one of the guys who worked in the service was drunk and threatened me to put the food back
>Go home and feel like shit
>self-hatred rising all throughout teen years because I wasn't strong enough to defend myself. Prayed for it to be better but it didn't
>by the time I turned 20 I nearly lost faith save for the random acts of kindness random people to do others

At this point I just send him cliff-notes.

>being able to flip a major philosophical switch on demand

I genuinely wish I was religious but I can't wrap my head around it.

>>35069148
Why didn't you punch him, anon? You need to learn to stand up for yourself. I'm pretty sure Jesus will forgive you for punching a retard in the mouth.

>>35069252
Jut Jesus is everyone especially that punchable retard

>>35069272
>Jesus is retarded
Fucking heathen scum enjoy hell

>>35064921
Christianity is the majority religion in every western country.

>>35064759
I would love to, but i havent found any reason to believe. All the evidence points toward god not existing sadly.

>>35064759
I hate religion because we need more abortions and fewer morals. Abortion is the perfect eugenics tool. White women have the fewest and black women have the most. Asians and Hispanics are in between. Combined with sperm banks we'd have a whiter planet with the consent of all

>>35070912
>thinking his racist views are funny or post-ironic or whatever dumb shit outside of /pol/

Shoo. Go back to mewling about people punching Nazis.

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>>35064759
I follow most christian guidelines and ethics (avoid the deadly sins, the ten commandments other than 6 because masturbating is good for your health, treat one's neighbour etc..) however I find it hard to believe in god. I was raised in a family of skeptics and was taught to respect evidence before all else and there seems to be next to no evidence suggesting god exists.

>>35070912
You.... You're scared of white genocide, huh?

>>35064759
If it were possible I would

>>35070946
>Punching Nazis
No one's a Nazi you brain dead faggot

>>35067232
You're a true rebel.

>>35067565
I don't have any. For me, it's all just belief. If you don't believe in it, fine.

>>35070912
>Abortion is the perfect eugenics tool.
I swear, people who are for eugenics are always the one with the least knowledge of genetics.

>>35064759
If I don't have the discipline to get out of my bed and do shit I don't have the discipline to read the bible and go to church. Plus I have social anxiety.

>>35064759
My mother's side is Protestant, my father's side is Catholic.

I'm quite fond of religion but it's not for me.

>>35065639
>Western empire destroyed by shittier Germanic Pagans
>Orthodox Byzantine empire still good though until Venicians fuck it up
Sometimes other Europeans were the problem dude.

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God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?

Beware of nihilism, fight for Christianity.

Any Orthodox here?
Do you actually do the full prayer rule in the morning and evening?

If my life goals were "join jewish childfucking cult" then it would be a good idea.

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The comet is on its path
As I walk the earth again
I see too many children
When I'd rather see friends
They turn their faces in shame
As I look them in the eye
You really should be thankful
That I'm such a forgiving guy