>tfw nobody to support you as you attempt to learn Japanese

>>34944563
iktf

I've been at it for about a year and a half now, best advice I have for you is to get started and grind.

Maybe we could support each other

>>34944563
> OP's thread isn't getting (You)
> It's time to go all out then

OP, what technique would you advise to learn all the Kanji in one go? None of that boring rote memory shit, I just want to memorize 2000 Kanji at once, nobody ain't got no time to learn them in 2 years.

>>34946035
If you can't do rote memory, your best bet is just giving up now before you get too deep in something you're never going to finish.

>>34946035
spaced repetition
anki for instance

>>34946035
The key to getting (You)s on this site is to be a bombastic, combative, overly-sensitive idiot who believes that the only opinion that deserves any respect is their own. It's just that nowadays all the idiots are coming to the same conclusion, so you begin to see a reddit/tumblr tier hivemind in the replies.

The ability to read any doujin you want and being able to understand it is its own reward. Good luck being able to do any verbally when the grammar's so alien and it's spoken so goddamn fast. Even with tones I swear Mandarin would be easier to speak just because the syllables are spaced apart.

>TFW you feel like you should be able to understand the Kanji but it's just radicals fucking with your head.

>>34944858
Me too -- I burned out at 5820 flashcards and haven't added any new ones in a week. ;_;
I want off this ride.

>>34946035
Memorize the meanings first and apply readings later. It's so much easier remembering that a character means "fire" than remembering that a character is pronounced "hi," "bi," "ho," or alternatively "ka."

>>34946608
>than remembering that a character is pronounced "hi," "bi," "ho," or alternatively "ka."
Yeah. Fuck multiple readings; it's best to learn readings in the context of words.

>>34946649
"Bi" isn't a separate reading of fire. No need to learn rendaku forms separately.

(Although if we're being comprehensive, it can also be read "ko")

>>34946608

Ah yes, it would make sense. If I can recognize the Kanji for Cat, knowing that it's "Neko" doesn't have to be linked with the Kanji itself, I can learn it seperately.

I only learn through practice, trying to memorize list of words does nothing for me. I learned english mostly by translating articles and got way more out of it than from all the years I wasted at school.

>>34946936
>I learned english mostly by translating articles and got way more out of it than from all the years I wasted at school.
This.
As soon as you possibly can, start learning Japanese by actively consuming media in it as much as possible. I don't mean by sitting back and watching subtitled anime and hoping that you absorb some vocabulary, I mean reading comics in Japanese, learning song lyrics in Japanese, playing video games in Japanese, texting an online pen pal in Japanese, anything you can do to actively use the language and motivate yourself to keep using it.

Does anyone wanna be my Japanese learning buddy?

I am looking for someone who is interested in learning Japanese from the start who is also passionate/dedicated and won't burn out like I surely will if I did it alone

I think together we would have a lot more stamina to finish to completion than if we tried alone

>>34946936
>I learned english mostly by translating articles
but it's pretty frustrating to grind through articles full of bullshit you can't understand

>>34947977
That's why you get good. You can start slowly with easy stuff that you can finish much quicker while still having it be satisfying, like song lyrics and comics, and then you move onto things like articles and books.

>>34944563
Just visit the Japanese Thread on /int/ or either of the DJTs on /int/ and /jp/. There are folks of all levels there.

>>34947426
I'll take you up on the offer. I think I'm 200 flash cards into anki though.

>>34947426
I would learn with you. But as a warning, I'm pretty new.

>>34947426
>learning together over the internet
How does this even work?

>>34944563
What waste of fucking time, wasted like 2200 hours of your life learning one of the world's hardest languages just so you could go to weeb boo island where everyone speaks English and is nothing like in your stupid cartoons, believe me I know from own personal experience I have always been obsessed with Germany, because of the Nazis, learned it, study it, went to Germany and what did I get? Turkey 2.0 where everyone speaks English, don't waste your time, and to answer to your problem op I had s grandma who was from there during WWII who spoke it and it was no help, but if you do learn it let me know so you can translate rpg maker wolf into English for me, in return I could translate mein Kampf into English with a lot of author notes if you're interested.

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i cant let this thread die. not yet

>>34948320
I was hoping for a reply or at least a comment but guess my English is not adequate enough for your snoby ass.

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>>34948136
>I'll take you up on the offer. I think I'm 200 flash cards into anki though.
>>34948155
>I would learn with you. But as a warning, I'm pretty new.

I am right between you guys I think, I have an ok handle on basic grammar and stuff, haven't even touched kanji yet other than intro ones

I would be fine starting from the beginning though because I haven't studied in a few months

>>34948213
>How does this even work?
Well there's many ways this could work, but I have a feeling that there's strength in numbers - if you are part of a group which is making progress in learning Japanese the attrition rate will probably be much lower than those who try to learn Japanese alone

I will admit that the reason I've stagnated for the last few months after making good progress over summer break is because there's no immediate reason for me to study, even if I want to do it, life just gets in the way

Which is why if there was a group of some kind we were part of in which we expected each other to make progress over some time span like every week then there would be slightly more of a motivating force to study

So do you guys want to make a telegram group or something where we talk about learning Japanese? I feel that would be a good method, I know there's many more people from r9k other than us 4 who want to learn

Obviously some will be further ahead than others and they would help those who are not yet there, I think it would be a good group

or how do you think this should work?

>>34948974
Again, I recommend any of the three threads dedicated to discussing Japanese and studying Japanese that already exist on this site.

Attempting to "study together online but off of 4chan" really makes no sense to me. I just don't understand how it would logistically be possible.

>>34949028
yes but those threads are not on /r9k/

I would prefer to study with robots

>>34949028
what if we make a discord and try to teach each other grammar and new kanji?
we could do like 20 a day like with anki
Or we could try to talk with each other with hilariously broken moon

>>34949047
i'm a robot and also a regular djt browser if that makes you feel any better :3
ganbatte bb

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>>34948974
if you have a discord, you can attempt to make a group.

>>34949265
>if you have a discord
I don't though

discord is not open source

>>34949404
What do you use then, Anon-san?

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>>34949546
>What do you use then, Anon-san?

telegram or wire
both are very good programs, I highly recommend them

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>>34949678
send your contact info to this throwaway
[email protected]

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>>34949877
>send your contact info to this throwaway
ok

>>34949239
>i'm a robot and also a regular djt browser if that makes you feel any better :3
>ganbatte bb
which one though

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there's a telegram group for anyone that wants to join

https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAAzfYNrEtY8lJJiDoA

>>34950493
sumimasen. wakarimasen.

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>>34950542
>>34949239
No I meant which /djt/

the one on /jp/ or /int/

/int/ is a very rude board so I think it is probably the one on /jp/ because you seem like a very nce young man

>>34950577
Really? I get the feeling that /jp/ is full of ingrates and legitimate autists who spend half of the thread arguing over the best use of anki.

>>34950577
>/int/ is a very rude board so I think it is probably the one on /jp/ because you seem like a very nce young man
seikai. yoku wakatta ne.

>>34950619
is that really what it's like now? i've been away for two weeks.

>>34950619
>best use of anki
*insulting anki

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If someone made a discord I'd join. I pretty much only do kanjidamage a day on anki and practice reading material with manga or VNs.

My reading comprehension is really bad but I think I'm getting better.

>>34950696
>If someone made a discord I'd join.

but why not use telegram instead it's better


https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAAzfYNrEtY8lJJiDoA

>>34950757
I don't want to have to make another new account, tomod8

>>34950757
I don't use telegram.

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>>34950825
>I don't use telegram.
yes but you should

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>>34950779
>I don't want to have to make another new account, tomod8
this is the only way we can be safe

the government is watching us anon

discord has been compromised

Is the gook language even worth learning? I'm moderately interested because of animu
I can speak pretty good Spanglish
Una Cerveza por favor

>>34950886
I don't really give a shit, to be honest. The government can watch me all they want.

>>34950917
>Is X worth doing?
That's entirely dependent upon you, anon.

>>34950917
>Is the gook language even worth learning? I'm moderately interested because of animu

who cares let's do it anyways

join the group

>>34950989
I have to enter my phone number even if I'm just using the browser version? Screw that.

How much harder would learning Japanese be in comparison to Mandarin Chinese?

>>34951020
>I have to enter my phone number even if I'm just using the browser version? Screw that.
https://textfree.us/#/login

you never need the number again as long as you are logged in on at least once device

>>34948136
>>34948155
>>34948213
https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAAzfYNrEtY8lJJiDoA
here join telegram using this link

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bump every thread related to otaku / japanese culture

>>34951077
>you never need the number again
>again
>I still need to enter it once
No way, dude. I'm all for a Japanese learning group, but not on that platform.

>>34951279
it's just a standard chat program, spaz

>>34951279

you need to enter it once because telegram uses phone numbers as identifiers for users. Telegram is open source, you can see exactly how the numbers are used here - https://github.com/DrKLO/Telegram

Telegram is not only on mobile, however, it has clients for virtually any platform you may want to use, and it has an open API if you are on some other client.

after making an "account" using a number, you can register a public facing username which you will then use for the account.

Telegram is better than most alternatives like it because accounts carry over seamlessly on multiple clients - you can carry over writing a post on your PC that you were on your phone, and it makes sending files or images between devices very easy.

I agree, using numbers as identifiers when it's not a mobile based messenger is kinda crude, and it undeniably has other issues as well, such as it's home-baked encryption not being too hot.

But it's in my opinion the best messenger available now which somewhat has critical market share, and I think you should give it a try before disregarding it. Making burner numbers is very easy, you could on google voice or any other method you preferred.

wire has solved some of these problems, like you can make an account with an email, but it's windows client is fucking garbage compared to telegram's and it just isn't as smooth altogether

>>34951454
Standard chat programs don't require a phone number to chat in a web browser.

>>34951511
i think it's like an identity verifier type deal. i had to do it with plenty of other programs, like tinder.

>>34951562
>tinder
Disgusting.

lmao you dumb faggots, I started that shit in early 2014 and are now posed to get my translator licence. Just quit, you won't make it, and even if you do learn the basic shit like hiragana/katakana, you'll feel like hot shit even tho you're in diapers and start telling people you "speak japanese".

If you want to be respected, either keep learning that shit without gloating or even telling anyone, or learn Chinese, an actually hard language.

>kanji is difficult
bullshit. You're just a dumb fuck, most likely a nigger.

>>34951592
i meant to say grindr

>>34951621
3 years eh? So all those people saying it takes much more than that were either bullshitting or not putting in the effort.

Interesting. I'll take your advice regarding not telling anyone.

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>>34951511
The vast majority of programs require you to have a phone number anon, this isn't unusual

this is to prevent bots from making accounts and abusing their servers

you will literally never need access to that number again
I would prefer XMPP or something too but literally nobody would use that while at least some people would use telegram

>>34951621
calm down

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NIHONGO BENKYOU SHIMASHO

COME ON BAKAS

>>34951679
Maybe it's a generational thing, but I'm just not comfortable giving out ny personal information all willy-nilly.

>>34951712
SONNA GAZOU APPU SUNNAYO, KORA

>>34951722
>personal information
I think there's a misunderstanding here anon

the only information anyone has on another account is
1) name you set
2) profile pics you set, can be multiple
2) username you set

if you have another person's phone number in your contact book it can be integrated, however nobody has access to another account's phone number

there's no personal information shared through the app whatsoever, all information which can be seen by others is easily changeable and set by you

you can make an account like
anon ymous
[pic of mr. green man]
@anonymouse
if you wanted

>>34951712
>shimasho

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>>34951511
>worried about entering a phone number into an open source free as in freedom program for verification
>has Facebook, MSN mail, AOL, Sony, LinkedIn, Skype, Ashley Madison, Fetlife, Lenovo, f-list, rumail, and google wave accounts

ok

>>34952010
I don't have any of those, though. I like my privacy and anonymity.

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>>34952056
>I don't have any of those, though. I like my privacy and anonymity.
let's see that desktop NOW

>>34951490
What do you think of groupme?

>>34952201
I'm not on my computer. Not sure why you care so much, anyway.

>>34951712
c b r n

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>>34952206
>groupme
>bought by skype
>owned by microsoft
>unironically using a program owned by (((Micro$HIT)))

IF YOU ARE NOT THE CUSTOMER YOU ARE THE PRODUCT

END DIGITAL SLAVERY NOW

>some nigger shilling his group nobody wants to use

Fuck off dude.

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>>34952368
nobody will ever want to learn Japanese with you loser

nobody even wants to talk to you lmao

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>>34952414
Both of those are true but it doesn't mean I'm desperate enough to download some lame programs nobody has ever heard of.

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>>34952483
>lame programs nobody has ever heard of

it's pointless to defend the popularity of some program though because that has no bearing on its quality, security, or privacy

even if 40 people used telegram it is still far better than its competitors, that is why it is used
they also have no intention of profiting off of your data, the company is supported off of grants by mysterious Russian billionaires

the fact that you can send unlimited files of up to 1 gb in any chat alone puts it above most other similar messengers

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>>34952615
>Ellis Hamburger

>>34952615
wew lad I really don't care sorry but I'm not downloading some trash service that requires a telephone number. hopefully someone makes a discord in the future I'd be interested in joining.

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>2017
>not just using skype like any sane person

>>34952829
>skype
>literally using an ad infested buggy piece of shit

do you have a mental disability? I can understand using discord but why would people unironically use skype?

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>>34952712
>trash service that requires a telephone number
we aren't using skype though

>>34952880
anyone over the age of 12 knows how to disable ads in skype

the only thing discord is good for is multiple call hosting, but since i'm not a normie teenger who has a cs:go clan or whatever it's literally useless

it doesn't even have a quoting function, for fucks sake

>>34952932
>its literally useless except its not as i explained in the beginning of this sentence haha :p

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>>34952932
>b-but u can disalbe teh ads so its ok :)
I don't understand why you are defending Skype.
Are you a Microsoft employee?

it's a piece of garbage software compared to telegram, anyone who has used both can attest to this

try sharing a file in $kype vs telegram and tell me then which you prefer

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>>34952932
Try preventing skype from leaking your IP

or do you recommend everyone just use a VPN with Skype?

anta baka

>>34952960
useless for me

nice reading comprehension there, although i guess since you don't even know how to disable ads on skype, i guess you are either retarded or a child so i shouldn't be too hard on you

>>34952997
i admit, i haven't tried telegram but skype has pretty much everything i need in a messaging service so i never needed to

i tried discord when the redditors started shilling it to see what the fuss was about, and it's just garbage when it comes to text communication, the only thing is has over skype in that regard is custom emotes (but that is a novelty)

>>34953038
what are you talking about?

>>34953062
>useless for me
good to know; nice blog. what crazy story are you gonna tell us next?

I'm not a weaboo and know little about Japanese culture besides the memes I see online, but I would love to have a QT otaku GF who i would take on a trip to Japan and watch anime with and help her learn japanese and other weeb stuff.

>>34953062
>i tried discord when the redditors started shilling it to see what the fuss was about, and it's just garbage when it comes to text communication, the only thing is has over skype in that regard is custom emotes (but that is a novelty)
I agree, which is why I recommend telegram

try it before assuming it's garbage, I don't know what else to tell you man

I respect what you all are doing, trying to come up with a study group or whatever, but please understand that this is *not* an effective way to build discipline, nor are your study pals going to be a good source for learning Japanese.

You want to get accustomed to native Japanese, and spend your free time either studying vocab/grammar/kanji/whatever, or enjoying native-produced content.

If you feel like you cannot study alone, then what you really need is to focus on building your personal discipline. Learning Japanese is a long journey, and whatever group gets set up will not last for the majority of your journey in approaching fluency, nor will it be a helpful element.

I've self studied to the point where I do both interpreting and Japanese teaching jobs. If anybody has any basic questions, please ask, but understand that the most important thing is *personal* consistency and discipline.

>>34944563
the porn is good but other than that i dont get the reason for japan fetishist.

>>34953680
Cultures are complex and have many elements. What draws one person to a culture may be different from what draws the next person. There's a lot of popular media that makes it to the west from Japan, and that has a major influence (e.g., video games, anime).

Generally speaking, understanding why somebody likes something that you don't is quite difficult. There's no need for you to understand *why* people like Japan.

>>34953432
>I respect what you all are doing, trying to come up with a study group or whatever, but please understand that this is *not* an effective way to build discipline, nor are your study pals going to be a good source for learning Japanese.
>
>You want to get accustomed to native Japanese, and spend your free time either studying vocab/grammar/kanji/whatever, or enjoying native-produced content.
>
>If you feel like you cannot study alone, then what you really need is to focus on building your personal discipline. Learning Japanese is a long journey, and whatever group gets set up will not last for the majority of your journey in approaching fluency, nor will it be a helpful element.
>
>I've self studied to the point where I do both interpreting and Japanese teaching jobs. If anybody has any basic questions, please ask, but understand that the most important thing is *personal* consistency and discipline.
join the group and help plz

obviously the vast majority of the effort must be personal, even within any group, that's true.

but you have to understand that learning Japanese doesn't have to be a personal test of self discipline. Very few people who want to learn Japanese want to do it to prove that they have the persistence to do it; rather, they want to learn Japanese for all the other benefits which come with learning that language.

So even if a group would not allow for the same level of discipline to be developed, even if many of the people who learn in a group would not have the discipline to learn alone, it's still better than attempting it alone, because the goal is not to develop self discipline

your point about getting accustomed to native Japanese doesn't really matter for the lower levels. None of us could pass N5 now and up to like N3 I don't think it really matters whether you are learning from a native speaker or a person who just read a chapter or not

>>34953841
You bring up good points, and I agree that the point of learning Japanese should not be for "developing self-discipline." Whatever your goal is, keeping that in mind (even if it's understanding hentai) is important.

However, because self-discipline will help, I do want to point out one thing: set very small daily goals, and achieve them daily. If you're using Anki, start with just adding 5 new cards a day. Keeping that up for a year will be way better than doing 100 new cards a day for 6 months (and inevitably burning out).

While I think that at beginner levels, any input comes with advantages, you do want to be wary of pronunciation errors and grammar errors that other beginners are making. Make sure to get some amount of native input in. Japanese has something called "pitch-accent," which while you don't need to worry about yet, I've noticed that most advanced students mess up their pitch-accent primarily on words learned early. This is because they heard them a lot with English-influenced pronunciations that beginners are more likely to make.

(...going to continue this...)

>>34953998
(continued response to >>34953841)
Do stuff you find enjoyable, vary your practice, and gradually try and introduce more Japanese into your life. It's not always easy, but you wouldn't be posting here if you didn't have a genuine desire to learn the language (and that might actually be the most important thing).

I honestly (basically) never post on 4chan, and try and avoid most idle internet use, but let me know where I can reach you. I'll give you an email address at which you can ask me questions. Please understand that I will not always be available for quick response.

Best wishes with your studies!!! It's worth it, I promise. It's a long journey, but the journey can be fun and rewarding too.

>tfw was getting in a good groove learning japanese
>lose focus because I'm an ass
>forget everything

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Stop being a stupid fuccboi and learn to do things on your own, be motivated, be passionate and go for it. If you can't do it on your own, you should just stop doing it and find some other hobby. You fucking black benis enthusiast.

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>tfw a quarter my japanese class have already dropped out
>sensei announces that now that we've learned all the hirigana we're going to start moving much faster
>I can see people falling to pieces all around me

>tfw when using the /jp/ anki 2k/6k study deck
>on top of classes
>not of it seems to follow any logic
>I have about zero retention for kanji
>I don't get why kanji keep changing their sounds

>tfw listening to Boris right now

>>34954248
Write the Kanji when you practice. Always.

Learn Kanji just in terms of vocab for now (i.e., ima is written [kanji for now], kyou is written [kanji for now] + [kanji for day]).

Start worrying about individual readings for kanji once you're into your second year.

If you're going to do a core deck, use the 2k. However, I'd suggest instead just making your own deck using the vocab presented in class (or other materials you come across). Keep your Anki new cards minimal. Ten new cards a day is fine; it's not a problem if Anki isn't getting to every vocab word you want to memorize.

>>34954095
>>34954303
How would you recommend someone to go about studying kanji and grammar anon? I have a basic understanding of grammar after going through tae kim for a few months.

Do you like anki or do you think there's a better way?

Also I would like your email, thanks

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>>34954303
I have it set to 20, I've been at it about a week and it's pretty brutal since I've been requiring myself to remember sound And meaning before I pass the card. It's all very basic stuff for now, days of the week, numbers, "kore" "sore" ect.
Idk it may be a bad idea to jump ahead of the class, if it actually does pick up the pace I'll probably stop the anki practice until summer.
Writing is my biggest problem since I've always had terrible handwriting. And anki is really shit for learning to write anyway.

I'm on with hiragana myself. 25 characters in, so over half way now. It's quite labour intensive since my memory is very shitty because of medication but I'm enjoying it anyway.

>>34954460
>I'm on with hiragana myself. 25 characters in, so over half way now. It's quite labour intensive since my memory is very shitty because of medication but I'm enjoying it anyway.

dude I hope you realize that learning hiragana is like the first 0.001% of learning Japanese

if you are NEET you should aim at memorizing hiragana in like 3 days and then move on

>>34954378
Kanji can be lumped in with vocab, which I think that Anki is superb for.

Be careful with the stuff you find on jisho.org for Kanji (it all comes from the KANJIDICT2 database, if memory serves, and that has lots of readings that are essentially untrue, and is also missing some authentic readings). Just get down your vocab, and study it with the more common Kanji writing. If you're curious about a specific Kanji, use http://kanji.jitenon.jp/ to look it up.

In regards to grammar, I'd suggest getting the Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar if you can. It's not as basic as the title would make it seem. The nihongonomori youtube channel seems good as well, but I'm not sure where Tae-kim takes you, and I think their material starts at N3?

If you consume native material, you will get the grammar down to at least N2 level. N1, while none of the stuff is "archaic" as some people say, it can be a little more confusing, so when you get to that level, get books geared for the test.

[I'm not proofreading this comment, so forgive any typos or unintelligeble sentences. It's the end of a busy day]

>>34954478
Don't put me off already :(
I'm using Human Japanese. It seems pretty good so far.

>>34954493
Can I ask what you do anon? Do you live in Japan?

>>34954460
I've been using the app kanatown to quiz myself on hirigana and katakana throughout the day. It won't get you to the point where you can instantly read any word written, but you will quickly be able to recognize what each symbol is. Do a mix of testing certain subsets of kana and testing the whole alphabet. I would say that in a couple weeks I mastered hirigana and am now starting on katakana. I made the studying fun. Fuck nu ne and re though.

>>34954499
>Don't put me off already :(
I didn't mean to, sorry, just don't focus on getting kana 100%

because you will pick up kana much better when using it

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I say it once i say it twice
and i'll say it again
JAPANESE IS FUCKING USELESS
No really it is japan hates your guts
they want NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU
Japanese people HATE YOU AND WILL FUCKING ATTACK YOU IF YOU AREN'T A ZIPPER HEAD NIP
combine that with it's uses beyond gay fag filled comics and cartoons it's useless really useless
But you good goys will always lap it up
JAPANESE IS EASY BRO!
JUST DO THE FLASH CARDS BRO!
YOU CAN DO IT BRO!
No you can't There's no hope

>>34954411
Yeah, set your Anki to 5 new cards a day. If it's feeling brutal, you're not going to able to stick with it.

Anki is a program that essentially punishes you for missing a day. That means, it NEEDS to fit in with your busiest days too.

It's geared for the long-term and we're all used to cramming, so the 5-new-cards-a-day may seem worthless, but you'll notice the benefits after a few months. The stuff you have in Anki you will have down solidly, which will allow you to shift your focus to the stuff you don't know yet.

Handwriting just comes down to practice. Buy looseleaf paper (wide-ruled) and just write each word you review on Anki. My handwriting used to be terrible (like, awful), but now it's totally legible and I even get compliments sometimes. Just focus on the stroke order, and even if you don't have finesse you'll wind up with legible, normal kanji eventually.

If you ever visit Japan, you'll need to fill out various forms at various times, I promise. And writing is the most efficient path to Kanji memory, I promise. You'll be glad, eventually, that you didn't avoid writing practice.

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>>34954565
>t. sour grapes loser who gave up studying Japanese after half a month

>>34954535
>>34954560

I learned a nerd alphabet for LARPing a long time ago, so I'm sure I can do it. I'm doing it in this order because the app I'm using - Human Japanese - deals with those characters first. Once those are learned, then afaik the rest of the app is more or less taught in Japanese. It's a good app, it's just a shame that there isn't a Japanese for Duolingo. That's a very good system.

>>34954605
>it's just a shame that there isn't a Japanese for Duolingo
look into memrise

>>34954565
Jeezla wheeze what a Negative Nancy
Implying I need it for anything besides gay faggot comics and girl cartoons

>>34954531
I work as an interpreter and private tutor (of Japanese language). I'm also currently a (non-traditional) student in the USA because a bachelor's degree is required for the Japanese visa that I'm currently aiming for. I found work before graduating a few years back, so I initially never completed my degree. I have plans to move to Japan this summer.

I have also worked in the past as a web developer. For various personal reasons (that would potentially make me identifiable), I realized that I wanted to move to Japan, and started studying it intensely a few years ago. I had also studied it less intensely in high school (independently).

>>34954575
I think that that would go with the idea of varying my studies too. Arigato Gozaimasu. You're pretty good at advising random scrubs. Much better than my native japanese professor who has been doing this for 15 years, but I suppose she has 80 students to deal with each term.

>>34954565
>JAPANESE IS FUCKING USELESS
companies always need business translators
only because japanese engrish is fucking terrible, they may as well not study it at all

>>34954601
t. Japanese shill poster

>>34954635
negative nancy?
I think the Retirement home is calling you fucking boomer cunt.

>>34954680
Japans economy is stagnant
and has been for over 30 years
Chinese is where you'd be better off as a translator

>>34954704
>Japans economy is stagnant
doesn't matter, its still a large capitalist economy that trades with the US

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>>34954704
>Chinese is where you'd be better off as a translator
nice try Chang you're not fooling anyone

>>34954721
it does though
You ignoring that is proof of your rose tinted "Perfect Japan" meme you believe so blindly in.
China Mexico EU Canada
All closer and huge trading partners of the US
Japan is hardly relevant

>>34954644
Hah, I just had the laziest Friday of my life, so if I wound up giving some decent advice that would make me happy. I've seen what works for me, and also students I've tutored, so I don't feel like I'm coming from nowhere.

The process of learning Japanese only keeps getting more and more fun and interesting, so you're in for a lot of good times!

>>34954770
why are you so desperate to trigger weebs?

>>34954754
I'm a white American living in Alaska
You shitty tojo grease ball.

>>34954802
because weeb tears are delicious
seeing their beloved retreat the mysterious island nation of cartoons and shit turned into a bland stuck in the 1980s stagnant sewer pipe of a country only relevant because Uncle sam keeps giving them money and troops to stay afloat.

>>34954770
gonna have to quote where i said japan was perfect pal
>b-b-b-but japan is less relevant than these other partners
literally dont care at all, doesn't prove me wrong in the slightest

>>34954814
sure you are, Chang. Definitely white.

>>34954866
>sure you are, Chang. Definitely white.
*Park Joon Suk

he is a butthurt zainichi - american

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Hey all, let's keep this productive.

Pursuing a language that one is interested in is a good thing!

>>34954907
>Pursuing a language that one is interested in is a good thing!

every language except korean yes

people who want to learn korean are mentally ill and need treatment

>>34954881
don't coreans hate chinks? why would they tell him to learn mandarin?

>>34954918
I appreciate your sense of humor, but if somebody has a personal interest in Korean, knowing a second language looks good on a resume (and is generally a plus in all areas of life).

That said, we're getting a little off topic. Japanese and Korean grammar greatly resemble each other though! Once you've mastered one, you're half way there to mastering the other!

>>34954957
>Japanese and Korean grammar greatly resemble each other though! Once you've mastered one, you're half way there to mastering the other!

Really? I thought they were pretty different from each other
korean doesn't use kanji or characters right?

>>34954969
The grammar is very similar, but of course the writing system is entirely different. Both received influence from China (affecting certain vocabulary words).

I have little familiarity with the Korean language, but I do know for certain that Chinese characters were used in the past for writing Korean (perhaps in combination with other characters). And the grammar is also based on similar concepts and patterns.

>>34955014
(addition to my response to >>34954969)

I meant that the grammar is based on similar concepts and patterns to Japanese. Korean and Japanese share very similar grammar patterns, while Chinese grammar is closer to that of English.

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meet James Schoff, an average graduate of the very prestigious ALT program
https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-schoff-06467913

this could be YOU. Apply to ALT today!

>>34955602
I don't have a linked-in account, and can't see his profile.

ALT jobs are a great way to enter Japan, but should not be considered a long-term career for success-oriented people. Most ALT positions will provide accommodations making the move to Japan easy, and since most other jobs require that one already lives in Japan, ALT jobs are the perfect stepping stone.

However, if one spends too much time as an ALT, they may find themselves in a dead-end.

What sets aside this James Schoff that you chose to link?

>>34955683
>I don't have a linked-in account, and can't see his profile.
open in incognito

he's just some government big wig with the Department of Defense

>>34955800
In-cognito does the same. It's okay though, I'm familiar with the type.

Basically, if you have articulate Japanese (beyond just passing the JLPT N1) and decent social skills, you'll find yourself in a good position. Getting articulate in Japanese is not easy, which is why those who can do it (while having other good points) get far.

I know two people who have been able to rise fairly high in companies based off of their English skill (combined with fluent, articulate Japanese). Higher ups will want you to meet with executives from English speaking companies, and also will send emails to you asking to check their English writing before they send it to an English company. With professional demeanor, it's apparently easy to find yourself in board meetings with some patience. Stuff like this is (apparently) common.

There is of course an element of luck as well, but it seems to me that true bilingualism increases one's odds climbing the executive ladder in Japan.

>>34955896
>There is of course an element of luck as well, but it seems to me that true bilingualism increases one's odds climbing the executive ladder in Japan.

why would Japanese Americans not be natural for these positions?

>>34955914
American citizens raised by Japanese parents tend to have poor reading skills as well as a lack of knowledge of technical terms. The things discussed at home by a family are different than the things learned at high school/college. Being able to speak appropriately at a college graduate level is not a given for Japanese Americans, although it would be easier for them than a monolingually raised American.

On top of that, getting into the company in the first place will generally require a degree or significant experience in a related field. A drug company will be looking for people with biology/chemistry related majors (I assume), and a company developing a new application will be looking for people who can either code or market. Bilingualism, while a huge advantage, will not land a job.

Also, work visas in Japan are not just handed out. For instance, the easiest way to get an engineering visa is having engineering work. 8 years consecutive engineering work is not adequate without written approval from a government official.

>>34955960
Correction:
"the easiest way to get an engineering visa is having engineering work" -> "the easiest way to get an engineering visa is having an engineering bachelor's degree"

Apologies for my error.

>>34955976
>"the easiest way to get an engineering visa is having an engineering bachelor's degree"

but in what situation would American engineers want to move to Japan?

From my understanding, the work environment for engineers in Japan is much worse than the one in the US - they are paid less than US counterparts, have less of an opportunity for promotion, have to work longer hours, etc

I know there are many companies in Japan which are adopting a more "american" work outlook for their employees but this has not really applied to more technical oriented employees like engineers, has it?

>>34956126
No, the opportunities in Japan are far less well paid, and innovation also seems to be significantly behind America. Many Japanese developers study English to move to America.

Japanese companies have also been having problems lately where, even when hiring in America, will be unwilling to pay good wages to skilled, but young, programmers.

However, all major companies require communication between countries, so a professional demeanor combined with an amazing command of both languages is desirable. There is not much room for these positions, but also not many people who are truly professionally proficient in both languages in the context of a professional field. Thus, nice opportunities currently exist.

Me, personally, I've noticed that there is a lot of under utilized, underpaid talent in Japan. I'm using my bilingualism and technical skill as a backup for livable wage; however, I believe that Japan presents and amazing pool of poachable talent. There are lots of hardworking, dedicated individuals who are underpaid; poaching for a start-up in America is much harder.

Everything you said is true, and that's why most Japanese-Americans with a tech-related major remain in the USA. I hope I've been able to explain why some people might choose to pursue Japan instead.

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I'm pretty much at the point where I can play any video game or read mostly anything. I've still got room to improve but I can take it easy.

Was thinking of grinding a bit vocabulary and going for the JLPT but I don't know what I'd do with it anyway.

If you guys set up a discord I'd join, but I'm no teacher. I can only offer suggestions on what to read or play or the occasional joke.

>>34954565
>No really it is japan hates your guts
>they want NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU
>Japanese people HATE YOU AND WILL FUCKING ATTACK YOU IF YOU AREN'T A ZIPPER HEAD NIP
Just like the rest of the world then ?

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https://discord.gg/sZGBUhp
Here, I made one. Join pls

bump

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pls join my server