NEET and robot /recovery/ thread

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>>34936159
This is the comfiest thing that makes it hard etc.: the freedom to do whatever (You) want.

>>34936159
>be me
>been neet for almost a year now
>tired of being alone
>download dumb online dating app
>after wading through trash finally see a qt
>we match somehow
>strike up a conversation
>we hit it off real good
>got her number within a day
>got to meet her the next day
>she's even better looking than her photos
>a real q t p 2 t Russian chiq
>we have a lot in common as we keep just talking
>night ends up with us making out
>couldn't feel any better
>we plan on meeting each other again

am I making it, lads ?
also to answer your question: lack of actual responsibility

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>>34936200
what about when your NEETbux runs out for the month

>didn't step outside the house for two weeks
>have to go somewhere for once
>it's cancelled
>figure I'd go for a long walk because my parents wouldn't believe me if I said it's cancelled
>walk around for three hours because that's how long I was expected to have been gone
>muh depreshun is gone
>muh feels are gone
>clear minded and actually feel happy
>go home
>wake up next day
>sad again

I just want everyday to be like that

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>have group of male friends I adore
>have EET
>am KHV

What am I doing wrong?

>>34937666
have female friends and make them not your friends

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>somehow ended up in bed with a decent enough girl
>both naked & making out pretty intensely
>tfw couldn't get hard

ITS NOT FAIR! I WAS SO CLOSE

ITS NOT FAIR! I WAS SO CLOSE

>>34936406
Not carefully budgeting to last all month

>>34938333
but if you can become more than a wagecuck, you don't have to worry

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>>34936159
>tfw it's a derealization episode
>tfw losing grip with reality

when i touch my skin it feels numb

captcha : HOSPITAL LAST

>33
>live with parents
>never had a gf
>no friend

I have a decent job I don't hate and I'm moving out soon, in progress of getting /fit/. I've fixed what I can but how the fuck do I recover from a 15 year long gap in relationship and sexual experience? How do I even start with women, most people are married with kids or divorced at that age, I'm emotionally stuck in middle school.

>>34939402
this is for neet recovery. Go make another thread about no gf

>>34939417
>and robot

>>34939417
it's the robot recovery thread too. long term NEETdom does shit to you.

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>>34936159
>be me
>freshman in college
>fell for the "just put yourself out there!" meme
>sign up for clubs to try and make friends
>told im accepted into club
>next day everyone is ignoring me and i overhear them saying im not in
>never go back or attempt to make friends again

I really wish there were more success stories about long-term NEETs who didn't want to be NEETs and turned their lives around. Not just becoming wageslaves, but actually getting a fulfilling career, family, etc.

>>34936200
And yet I just sit in my room all day wasting time. NEET life is its own sort of prison.

>>34939656
yup, see >>34936735. every second outside, away from the screen is refreshing.

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>Tfw won money in a lawsuit after a truck hit my car
>have $100,000 in the bank as a result
>Want to buy property to rent out, but everything is too expensive

S-should I just put it in an IRA+Mutual funds?

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>>34936406
This won't happen if you regulate and budget your tendiebux.

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>>34939656
This reminds me of Hotel California: "we're all just prisoners here of our own device".

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>>34939636
I'm just gonna keep telling myself these anons who have recovered just don't come on the board to post in NEET recovery threads

>>34940717
holy shit anon
oreginul

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bumperino
oreeeginal

>>34936267
You're on the road to recovery friendo
You just need to find gainful employment so you don't leech

Not much progress on recovering here. I am looking out for a better paying job but it doesn't look like I'll be neet again any time soon.

>>34941455
At least it's better than most anons here. How's it like now compared to when you were a NEET?

>>34940730
>t. fell for the it-gets-better meme
deep down, you always really knew
sorry sensem

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>tfw 25 and still don't know what I want to do with my life
I was trying to fix my grades a while ago, studying from home, but I stopped and now the only classes I have left to choose from seem very specific into entering a career. I don't know what to do when I start studying again.

I've been meaning to learn how to program, but I lack motivation. It feels like doing something creative through programming or something like that is my one chance at making money, and even that is probably impossible.

I just feel lost.

I've been a NEET for a few years, got in a LDR and told her I'd enlist in the military for her and let her move in with me. She dumped me for her ex boyfriend, and I'm about to get shipped off to Texas for basic. My birthday is in 4 months, I'm giving myself precisely 1 year 4 months to become a functioning human being. If I'm not, I'll just kill myself somewhere.

>>34942629

hello from the future.
> approaching 40 and still don't know what I want to do with my life.

I'm afraid you'll have to actively decide and do not wait for the decision coming down on you on its own.

>>34942756
Do you have a job or anything?

>>34943100
I picked out 10 jobs, I told the recruiter I didn't care what I did or where I go. It's only more true now, I only did it for a girl and she only used me as an emotional cumdumpster and threw me away. I suppose I won't be a NEET soon, but I'm not really sure if it's a good thing or not.

>>34942169

Terrible, just terrible. I'm always tired and falling behind in my reading, I even lost a houseplant because of my negligence. It's silly but I like my plants and felt sad over it. I don't really feel much anxiety anymore though, I guess I just realized I'm so autismal I'm like a total fucking alien compared to the neurotypicals. I don't think I'd be a very good friend anyway. My job is secure so it's a melancholic apathy towards others. I'm not liked as a person but noone wants me gone at least.

If I am willing to be a miser I may be back in 10 years but that kind of defeats the purpose of being neet. I don't really have expensive tastes, but I do like my fresh produce, meat, and drink. 400k is my bare minimum and only works if I can leech off of family by building a 600sqft cuckshed on our property. If not then we're looking at 750k so I can live somewhere I won't fear a poc coming in to steal my TV or rape my pupper. I probably wouldn't go the apartment route though. Maybe a foreclosure on a small lot, 2 or 3 acres in the country. Mortgage rates are heavily subsidized and hopefully first time homonerd loans still apply even though I'd have every intention of razing the trailer for my cottage. 600sqft plus whatever is needed to hit the county min. as a small shop/studio/something. Variances sound like a pain in the ass and it's not like there's much practical difference between a patio and a sun room. With a little luck it should be had for 60-120k, depending on how meth'd up the area is.

>>34942922
Yeah, I somewhat realized that, it's just that I don't feel like I have any interest in anything special
I went to some IT program when I went to school, and felt like I had no real interest in it. I think I'd be more okay with studying it now, but I'm not sure.
I feel like I'm too unintelligent to study most things too, I've always been bad in school.

Just had my first day of work in about 2 years

Already fucking hate my life knowing that I will spend 5 days a week slaving away

>>34939402
if you're getting fit, a place, and irlbux, then you should actually be able to reap the rewards of men not hitting "the wall" like women do. but keep the improvements up until everything's in place first, and then focus on gril stuff once you're good

In a weird place at the moment

I'm definitely past my nadir which happened in December 2016 which is good. In summary...

>graduated uni 18 months ago
>NEET since then
>about mid last year started getting depression because I couldnt get a job
>blows out into full blown depression at the end of last year
>go see shrink
>get diagnosed with literal autism (kek)
>get job in January
>in my field, good conditions and prospects but the work is fairly boring
>start job this week
>lots of anxiety

The first 12 months of NEETdom were great. I'm having lots of anxiety at the moment but it is still nowhere near as bad as the depression I had last year. All in all things are moving in the right direction. Now I just need to work on my KHV status...

>>34944834
>go see shrink
>get diagnosed with literal autism (kek)
Did this help you in some way? Details?

>>34944944
It did actually yes

It added context to all of my previous social problems. In particular I've always had big problems travelling or moving alone. School camps, going to college etc I had massive panic attacks.

The diagnosis gave context to why I was behaving in those ways and helped me understand it for the first time. The diagnosis itself didnt upset me because it didn't change me as a person. I've had the autism my entire life but I've just not been aware of it. A doctor telling me I have the condition doesn't make it worse.

And because now I have a framework for why I behave in certain ways, I can begin to work on it. I can't 'cure' the autism, but for the first time I can work on ways of managing it and finding ways around it.

im going to be a rapper

>>34945189
Well, how exactly have you been working on it? Have you taken any medication?

I certainly have most of the symptoms of the Asperger's type of autism, but I've never been diagnosed. I can't see how it would help to be diagnosed since I already know i have it.

>>34936267
Hopefully...

Protip: 1% of Russians have HIV/AIDS
Citation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_Europe

but for real, qt Russians are god-tier. There's gotta be a catch ;_;

>>34940456
>Tfw won money in a lawsuit after a truck hit my car
>have $100,000 in the bank as a result
Worth the whiplash. You fucking win.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mA7BbliyL8
(not a webm because sound)

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>>34936159
>What's the comfiest thing about being a NEET that makes it harder to get back out into the real world?

Literally everything.

>tfw you will never go back

>be sick of being a NEET
>get a job
>20 minutes into my work I wish I was a NEET again

>>34940456
If I had that money I'd just travel everywhere

Maybe get lucky and find a qt foreign gf

I can't stop planning my own death even though a few friends have reached out to me with potential comfy job offers and such (not like career level comfy, but not retail/food service either).
I do the minimum in following up with these opportunities because I know that if any came to fruition, I'd fuck them up sooner than later due to my own fucking lack of ambition and sight of future. Honestly I'd rather just die before having more fuck ups under my belt.

>>34945634
>I'd fuck them up sooner than later due to my own fucking lack of ambition and sight of future.
How the hell would that fuck up your job?

>>34945426
Medication? That would be beyond useless. Benzo's, SSRI's etc are just tranquillisers. They don't fix anything, just make you numb to it.

Do you actually know what autism is outside of memes? The shortened version is basically that '>we' struggle with social nuances. As an example, when people make jokes or puns, I often interpret them literally.

Luckily I'm only on the spectrum very mildly so using that example again, usually I can consciously work it out after a few seconds that it was a joke, a full blown autist wouldn't. Nonetheless I still come across as awkward.

So basically I can work on it by socialising... When you're in social interactions, your brain is constantly absorbing and learning. Picking up on the behaviours and mannerisms of the people around you. So even though I'm autistic, I can still learn to replicate those behaviours through exposure.

Now that sounds simple, but for a introverted, autistic, KHV robot such as myself forcing myself to socialise with the Normans is torture. I've unironically socialised more in the past 10 days than the last 5 years combined (im 23 fyi). Basically I've had that opportunity because of my job which is a graduate program so I have alot of opportunities to socialise. If I didn't have the job I would have joined clubs for hobbies im interested in again for the purpose of socialising.

I don't want to do any of that, I'd be quite happy to retreat to my mums basement. But for the sake of my mental health I have to force myself to socialise. Nothing is more dangerous for an autist than to be isolated.

>>34936267
>already knew how to talk to girls/people
>not extremely unkempt due to years of depression/apathy
>able to leave the house

you were never not making it

Got my first job at 26 a few months ago. Two nights a week. It's fucking horrible and I don't how much longer I can keep it up.

>>34945841
It really is fucking impossible starting a job (even part-time) like you when you have been NEET for years

How the hell do you go from dealing with no schedule to having working hanging over your head practically everyday?

>>34945841
>nights
What line of work?

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>>34945866
>Two nights a week.
>practically everyday

>>34945696
By skipping work, ignoring calls, ghosting everyone because I think I'm going to die soon anyways.

Don't know why you all hate work so much.

I was neet for 5 years and as robot or more as anyone and my recent job has made my life infinitely better.

>>34945911
Agoraphobia and social anxiety reek havoc on employment

>>34945866
Thankfully the two nights I work are next to each other, so I have five days off in a row. If I had to work full time, I don't know. I don't see how I could possibly do it.

>>34945870
Grocery store.

>>34945892
Oh, I though you just meant you didn't want to climb up the corporate ladder (ie. are content with low/mid range jobs).

>>34945911
Some jobs are pretty shit. My current one isn't bad at all (well, I've been doing it for a month without pay, but they're taking me in as a causal worker soon I think).

What's yours?

>>34945948
>Agoraphobia and social anxiety

it really helped me get over those though.

>>34945866
what do you mean how do you deal
you did it in school
you just do it, like everyone else does, and like your past self did
the only difference is that you do it knowing how much it sucks

>>34945891
I was talking about my own wagecuckery

>>34945911
What job do you have?

What is there to enjoy? I can't interact with people so coworkers are just a source of stress and anxiety, and the work is mind numbingly boring.

>>34945961
>Grocery store.
Cashier or stocktake?

I'd rather stocktake.

>>34945982
This. Worked as a soccer referee for a couple of years. Does wonders to social skills.

>>34945995
I know, but in school it's all you have ever known. You start from a young age without such significant break. I would have probably adapted ok if i got straight into work, but a number of years without any responsibilities really fucks with you.

It's like tasting the forbidden fruit.

>>34945911
yeah I got a nice well paid white collar job too and guess what
fucking nothing is better than having all of your time to yourself

>>34946005
>Cashier or stocktake?

I work with price tags. I go around and pull down expired sales tags, and then hang new tags.

>>34946032
I hate doing that shit

I have to do that one day a week

>>34936159
Dropped out of HS
What can I do to get a job that
1 - Limited as far as physical labor
2 - Limited to the bare minimum of social interaction
3 - Isn't completely soul-draining

>>34946064
Are you good with computers?

>>34946053
Yeah it's awful. There's so much bending over and crouching down. I'll have to quit eventually just so I don't wreck my back.

>>34946089
Squat instead bro.
It's much better.

>>34946082
Yes, anon.
I think a good chunk of robots are decent with computers.

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I lost about 20 pounds over the last couple months and just spent an hour hanging out with a cute girl yesterday, and about 15 minutes today, not including eating lunch with her. We had to stay and wait for stuff, so we did it together. She's super sweet, just perfect. I'd consider spending time with her a success.

>go on date with girl
>continue talking to her for a few days
>get extremely bored of her
>would rather do shit with my friends instead
>repeat every other month

whats the problem here? am i retarded or am i just not finding the right women

>>34946130
Get your GED and join the military then? There's a lot of tech jobs.

>>34945968
>What's yours?
I do warehouse work, forklifts, picking orders, loading/unloading trucks.

>>34946002
>What is there to enjoy? I can't interact with people so coworkers are just a source of stress and anxiety
some are but most are chill, but sure i don't have to deal with that many people, retail was hell when i did that years ago, get out of there.

>and the work is mind numbingly boring.
I'm usually tired/hungover enough that i'm just zombie mode anyway, work takes my mind off the suicidal thoughts atleast and forces me into some sort of routine and a basic level of exercise.

>>34946261
>retail was hell when i did that years ago, get out of there.

But where do i go with no qualifications and only retail experience?

I have no connections to get me a job, and all other low-tier stuff is just factory work, call centre ect which is just as bad or worse

> work takes my mind off the suicidal thoughts at least and forces me into some sort of routine and a basic level of exercise.

I wish it was like this. Instead of work distracting me, it just intensifies those shitty feelings.

>>34946130
>I think a good chunk of robots are decent with computers.
I agree. I was just suggesting that as a career path.

>>34946310
dont know what your country is like but i just went to a temp agency, semi lied and worked my ass off.

>>34945911

You were never a robot if having less time to do things you enjoy made you happy. Robot/neet is a spiritual calling and not everyone is good enough to cut it. I am happy you found what you wanted in life. Few who take the path of wagey are able to find satisfaction.

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>>34946261
>>What's yours?
>I do warehouse work, forklifts, picking orders, loading/unloading trucks.
I've done a few days of temp work in loading and unloading. Although tiring, it's not at all a shit-tier job. Even got to unload Olympic team sports bags from Rio and watch customs/quarantine.

>tfw dropped a heavy metal cage full of cargo on my foot (due to sleep deprivation)
Steel-toed boots are fucking amazing.

>>34945502
sucks if you're a male russian. none of the hotness, all of the alcoholism and crazyness.

>>34946461
I have tried temp agencies before and the jobs i got through them were even worse than the retail gig i have now

Literally bottom of the barrel of the already bottom of the barrel stuff

Plus i constantly got fucked around with scheduling and pay

>>34946261
>and forces me into some sort of routine
This. I know over the holidays before University, I've been NEET as fuck and have forgotten meals due to shitposting and cartoons. I need a little bit of enforced routine (even if I will need to self-enforce it with alarms).

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Went back to school and grew the cojones to ask a girl out, currently waiting for her answer as I write this(I still feel as if I fucked up though)

>>34939636

how are you gonna know, being an anon on 4chan, that it isn't happening? its not like if you ever get your shit together youre gonna waste time posting instructional how to's on here.

>>34946664
>currently waiting for her answer

lol

>>34946518
>having less time to do things you enjoy made you happy
That would be true but where you are wrong is that I don't have things that I enjoy so I may as well be making money if I don't have better things to do anyway. (outside of drugs/alcohol but that doesn't really count as it's temporary and basically cheating at life and you need money for them anyway)

You are also wrong because i'm still not happy, I just meant it's infinitely better as in I no longer think about suicide or all the bad things about life so much because i'm distracted by work or tired/hungover. i'm just in zombie mode and no longer care.


I used to have things I enjoyed while neet but after 5 years I got bored of everything, not sure if I just indulged in them too much or it was just growing up. Maybe when you are older you will understand, assuming you grow out of your meaningless empty hobbies.

>>34939636
>I really wish there were more success stories about long-term NEETs who didn't want to be NEETs and turned their lives around.
Well you wouldn't hear about them because most would stop posting here.

>>34939636
Once you go down this road and separate yourself from normal society, it is very difficult to get back in. I took a year off after high school and it ruined my life. That was all it took to make me a withdrawn retard.

>>34936159
I currently have a job but its not enough money to live out on my own. How does one actually start collecting money from the government? I'd like to be a NEET so I could live a more productive life and follow my passions, have more time to spend with friends, etc.

Not to mention i can't bring females to where I live right now. At least not nice ones

>>34946572
I'm not sure if you got unlucky or I got lucky (probably a bit of both) but I feel like almost anything is above retail.

>>34945628

>Spend money on traveling
>Now NEET with no money and no future

t-thanks anon

>>34936735
I rode my bike like 5 miles to a hill over looking the city skyline on a whim a few days ago at 3:30 AM. Felt so good. I recommend doing shit like this especially if you have anxiety since no one is out hardly at those hours. Graveyard shift jobs are also pretty chill for this reason.

>>34945228
Good luck anon, don't forget us if it works out

>>34936159
I've been a neet for 8 yrs I don't know how to break the cycle

>>34947817
>start volunteering at a local charity
>start taking classes in something and develop a skill
there you go

>>34947817
hard to say without knowing your situation but it's all about taking babysteps, most people dont try because they think it's such a big task (which it is) but if you slowly make little changes it becomes insanely easy overall.

>>34947817
What's your situation and how did you get yourself into it?

>>34947370
Heading out when everyone else is werking is also pretty good because of this

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>>34936159
>What's the comfiest thing about being a NEET that makes it harder to get back out into the real world?

Being a NEET for more than like a year or two isn't comfy at all. It's purgatory.

One of the worst aspects of humanity is how we prefer a familiar suffering over the fear of the unknown.


Anyways, the best way to becoming a normie to some degree is to start with small exercises in discipline and routines.


First thing: your room.

You are a product of your environment, radically changing the environment that you likely spend 24 hours a day inside of will radically change your mind. In one day, re-organize and clean your room and get rid of everything that you don't truely need or like. Use the KonMari method, it worked for me. You can actually get addicted to that feeling of cleaning and decluttering a room.

Then for exercises in routine in discipline, do the smallest things like making your bed, shaving your face, dusting the shelves and your computer & TV screens. It takes no effort, just make sure that you do it everyday without exception!

That "I skipped a day but I'll just do it tomorrow" is that NEET mentality we have to break. You know well that "tomorrow" never comes.

They're also good positive reinforcement. As crazy and as unpredictable the world outside you room might be, YOU have complete control over your room. It's a peaceful and relaxing environment that YOU created. No one else but you can take it away from you.

Then, go for walks outside. The same time everyday, and the same amount of time. Walk the same path too until you get bored of it and then walk an entirely different path, then go back to the first path you walked or maybe a whole new path, etc.

Getting some exercise and sunlight and fresh air ill be good not only for you body but for your mind. it also helps you come back to your room with a fresh set of eyes to look at your environment in a more objective way and makes choices on how you want to change

>>34946851

Your problem was having meaningless empty hobbies is the first place. Why would you intentionally pick boring hobbies? I'm coming up on 30 and still wish I had more time for my pursuits. I can still play with my toys on paper if I can't afford it. It's actually lead to improvements. If I bought in early I might not have ever come up with the innovations.

Then there's collaboration. It feels good to be an expert and help others with stuff. I don't spoon feed but if I see they've done their homework I'm glad to nudge them in the right direction or ask if they've considered an alternative. I know I used to waste a lot of time trying to reinvent the wheel or go the scenic route when there was already an elegant solution. That comes with being self taught and skimming portions of the lower level stuff those with formal training get.

>>34948678

Every single thing in your blatant shitpost is wrong. What possessed you to write something so buttfucking retarded?

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>>34948678
Also, the very thing that you are staring into is also an environment and affects you.


How is your desktop? Are your files organized and easy to find? Do you need all those memes and pictures?


How many e-mails are in your inbox?


More importantly, how many hours of your waking day do you spend on 4chan? For me it was literally of it for years.


Your virtual and online life is just as important as your physical one. It also needs to be organized, re-evaluated in an objective way and a fresh start.

>>34948767


If I may answer your question with a question of my own, what was it about my post that made you this upset?

>>34936159
>tfw you don't care if you get the job or not because you like being neet

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>have actual crippling disabilities and no education

>Have no choice but neetbux or die

i got a life of being a poor neet ahead i guess

i need to find something to do though that i like and gives me meaning i havnt found it yet

>>34948678
Ignore >>34948767. This is the only good post so far.

>>34948722
what are your meaningful hobbies?

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>>34948773
>>34948678
please continuing posting to these recovery threads. NEETs don't appreciate it but they need it.

>>34948866
Thank you. I can only assume that other anon got upset because I told him some truths he did not want to hear.

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>>34936159
2 weeks ago, I moved 6 states away to get a fresh start. In my home town, I wasn't amounting to anything. I had just gotten layed off at a job that payed terribly, the home I was renting with my cousin was falling apart, and I found myself drinking every night of the week. I decided to move after I flipped and totaled my car

In the 2 weeks since I've settled in, I've already gotten a job and starte the process of enrolling in a school. Being NEET takes it's toll on you, if you let it

>Question of the day: What's the comfiest thing about being a NEET that makes it harder to get back out into the real world?

No responsibilities. Being able to stay up as late as you want, then waking up with nothing to do but play vidya and punish your dick while drinking coffee and scotch is basically living the dream. It's like retirement, but you're enjoying it in the prime of your life

>>34936267
in years of trying to reach out to girls i haven't even made this much progress. good on you though i hope you make it anon

>>34948678
>Then, go for walks outside. The same time everyday, and the same amount of time. Walk the same path too until you get bored of it and then walk an entirely different path, then go back to the first path you walked or maybe a whole new path, etc.

This helped me a previously inconceivable amount when I made my last concerted effort to get out of NEETdom.

I feel like my IQ went up by a full 20 points just from the clarity of mind regular, routine exercise gave me.

Now I'm back to staying inside all the time and I can barely think coherently, barely string sentences together.

>>34948904
Thank you. I don't know if I have much to add in this particular thread but I'll be sure to pop into the next thread like this that I see.


I guess I could also add the cake analogy.


Eating some cake is always enjoyable, but there's a reason why it's a dessert. Cake is enjoyed the most after a healthy savory meal. Sometimes you might want to eat a whole cake to yourself and that's fine too.


But what if you HAD to eat cake for every single meal and snack?

It might sound like a dream come true, and you can always switch up different sorts of cakes, but sooner rather than later you will absolutely get sick at just the mention of "cake", you'll also get overweight and be malnourished and get other health issues from eating nothing but cake.

You might not want to admit it, but you're actually craving chicken & brocolli, anything but another piece of cake.


It's the same with free time. You can only enjoy free time when it is time off from work or studies or volunteer work, it's otherwise just dead time.


It's the same reason why people in southern california or south America are actually bothered by the fact that it's always sunny and warm - they crave snow and rain.

>>34949097
Maybe you should stop and consider that your own feelings of inadequacy brought on by not working are not universal.

>>34949058
It's amazing how much just a bit of outdoor exercise can change you. I was out on my bike all the time during spring summer and fall but then once snow and ice covered the ground and my bike was stored away I also withered into atrophy. I was tired because I did nothing all day because I was too tired to do anything because I did nothing. Winter sucks here.

Then one day I just decided fuck it and started to walk the same path that I would ride my bike on. Obviously I could only walk a fraction of it, and it wasn't the same as being out in the summer sun with green leaves and plants and birds singing everywhere, but just being out there and getting a bit of a sweat made me feel alive again.

Hopefully you go out and exercise again as well!


Because there's so much god damn snow around, I've started doing an exercise where I just shovel snow in a giant pile, then I break down that pile and move it somewhere else and repeat that until I'm tired and thirsty and sweaty. I'll probably do the same with piles of dirt after winter is over.

>>34949150
>your own feelings of inadequacy brought on by not working are not universal.

They are, actually.

Maybe not in the "I'm happy to work at McDonalds" sense, but it's in our nature to "work".

As hunter-gatherers we had no "jobs" and we allegedly had more free time than we do today - but each and everyone of us still had to their part in getting food for those who had to stay behind to make tools or fix the shelter or raise children. No one just sat around staring at rocks and felt good.

If you have an actual disability, that's understandable and not the issue. The issue is lying to yourself in thinking that being a NEET is a great choice.


You are in a NEET/robot recovery thread after all, right? We all want to get out of it.

Did you just come here to shitpost and be contrarian to kill the time?

>>34949323
>Maybe not in the "I'm happy to work at McDonalds" sense, but it's in our nature to "work".

Not that guy, but this is kind of the problem for me.

I don't like being NEET, but there's absolutely no way I could work at McDonald's and not be absolutely miserable. Being a wageslave would be much worse than being a NEET, but I haven't been able to find a way to work that is actually fulfilling.

>>34949436
If you do a warehouse Job and work your way up to a middle management position at least you could imagine you are the main character in an existentialist novel like the book of disquiet.

>>34949323
I came here to tell you that you're projecting all over the place but apparently you are not only blind to this but actively defending it, so just forget about it.

>>34949323
Yeah, we don't need a job per se, but a meaningful role to fulfill in society.

>>34949483
Being "middle management" of a warehouse sounds miserable to me also.

I can imagine things that I would actually enjoy doing, but they're all either unrealistic or beyond my capabilities.

>Question of the day: What's the comfiest thing about being a NEET that makes it harder to get back out into the real world?

I think this was referenced by 'Welcome to the NHK', basically that at home when you've got access to all the digital media in the world - you can fill your waking hours with a constant sense of mental expansion and exploration. You get constantly new things to think about and imagine... but every so often as a struggling NEET you'll get jolted back to reality by the demands (mostly financial) of the world... and then you realise how utterly empty and lifeless the normie wagecuck is... instead of 8 hours discussing existence feels on an anime forum, you're going to be repeating a single line to customers robotically like "have a nice day", or talking about how "we're almost over the hump!" and "TGIF!" to co-workers.

It's hard to transition from the former to the latter.

>>34949547
To be honest, if you were ever a robot you'd be miserable doing most jobs.

Most normies only get by in their jobs because they tell themselves 'hey at least I'm a productive member of society' when in reality nobody but their family would notice if they dissapeared.

If you need to function in a shitty job, just make up a reality tunnel in which you are fulfilling some kind of noble role, as a small worker ant in a colony and embellish it with interactions, mishaps etc., make yourself the MC in your own novel.

>>34949559
I don't know, I'm getting quite sick of discussing existence feels.

>>34949436
As a former wageslave and then former NEET and now current wageslave, I can tell you that McDonalds is definitely not the worst place you could work at.

I guess it's different in the states where the McJobs concept came from and minimum wage is like 3 dollars an hour or something, but working at McDonalds or any other major franchise whether it's food or retail is usually very good, definitely better than a lot of smaller local franchises.

There's also loads of different wage jobs. As a robot, direct interactions with customers is not great but you can work a job like stocking shelves, especially at night, working in the back just frying potatoes or peeling carots is robot-friendly, you can work for your city or town and just stand around while someone else fixes potholes on the road, I really enjoyed working as a janitor, etc.

I the worst robot-tier job though has to be working at the cash register or at the front of a food place like being a waiter or a barista. You constantly need a fake smile on your face and take people's shit, luckily there's loads of other jobs other than that.

Also, work is still work. Unless you're like me and have some sort of OCD metal problem where you're cleaning everything 3 times a day at home and so being a janitor is a dream job, there rarely is a dream job. A dream career, sure, but a job is just a job.

Then again it depends on who you are. Book nerds love working part-time at the library stocking returned books on the shelves and making sure they're all arranged by the dewey decimal system, etc.

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>>34936406
this actually happened to me so many times

like at one point i ate 5 baked sardines throughout 11 days or something, i just blew all my money on stupid junkfood like subway

it took me a long time, years, to learn to manage it to the point where i have food every day. literally i gotten used to starving atleast 4 days a month on average

fucking walking to the food bank when you didnt eat for 5 days, seeing a line that goes around the building, puredisgust.png, decide to walk back home than wait in line and just wait for neetbux

some people on neetbux are genuinely dysfunctional and cannot survive regular society

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>be mute and scared to talk to people/dislike people in general
>meet guy who seems nice enough
>am able to talk to him without being scared/hating it
>email him if he wants to hang out (don't have his phone number, weird story)
>get ignored

I hate this feel so much. My biggest annoyance is he said repeatedly "don't hesitate to email me =^)" It's shit like this why I don't talk to people. I really thought things were gonna get better. Don't know if I should even bother doing a follow up.

>>34949668
That's pretty depressing man. You don't sound like you deserve to starve.

Do you not have any family? Did they abandon you?

>>34949737

You just have to learn that 'getting involved' with another person can be really really intimidating and involve a risk. It was irresponsible of him to say "don't hesitate to email me", but people will say things in the moment without thinking about the consequences. Just imagine all the people you could get involved with who could drag your life down and make it miserable, now consider that as someone with problems of your own - you could easily appear that way to him. So don't be too hard on him.

Maybe try finding some people online to talk to regularly for now, without any major commitment, so you can at least avoid becoming completely isolated? Try 7cups dot com or something, you can chat to a bunch of different people and some of them are regulars. Many will be like the guy you mentioned, they'll be happy to chat to you but won't want to take it further than that. But it's better than nothing, right?

>>34949559
>You get constantly new things to think about and imagine

That's the thing.

We have this amazing thing called the internet on desktop computer and laptops and phones and table and gaming consoles.

We have more hours of videos to watch on youtube than we have hours to live in our lives.

We have virtually all of the world's recorded knowledge and art all available for free right at our fingertips.

We have decades of recorded music all available to download in an instant and not pay a single penny for it if we don't want. The same thing with movies and TV shows and video games.

We have literally billions of people to chat with accross hundreds of millions of websites.
and yet.


We still wake up one day, and after a few hours or minutes we come up with that dreaded realization.

"I'm bored".

That's the destiny of a NEET. Mental, physical, and emotional entropy.

>>34949803
He could have at least said, "Sorry, not interested because ____" but I guess I'm naive to expect people to be decent.

And at this point I'd prefer nothing, wasn't as annoyed/stressed then.

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>>34949809
and all of us NEETS constantly do all of those things. were listening to music were chatting with people on 4chan etc

but we still dont have a reason to live for which makes those things just distractions

some people have their job and their wife to occupy them and keep them from being bored

just cuz u own a computer you cant say people cant possibly get bored ever thats stupid

even normies would admit to getting bored if they sat around on the computer forever

every human would

your post sucks

>>34949809

You might get bored sometimes, but look at the effort you've taken to post this comment. You obviously get SOME sort of stimulation from engaging with people online, right? Most NEET's today ARE only and ARE consuming media almost constantly... this is why mass-NEETdom is mostly a modern phenomena. It doesn't matter that you're often bored or yearn for more... what matters is that the wagecuck life only appears appealing in fleeting moments when you're thinking about it generally. The moment you're actually faced with spending 8 HOURS(!!!!!!) or so doing mindless work, it becomes clear which alternative you'd prefer.

I'd argue that even the state of "being depressed" and being isolated and alone end up being preferable to the NEET, because at least in that state the NEET is able to exercise some sort of consciousness over their situation, they are thinking about and considering their life and why they feel the way they do, why they're stuck.... but wagecuckism involves a complete annihilation of even that consciousness. You'll be too busy stocking shelves and fake-smiling to your boss to contemplate.

But I'd like to know if you agree or disagree. I'm open to other views.

>>34949915
I don't know why you're saying that my post sucks when you're agreeing and repeating what I said just in a different way.

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>>34950004
sorry idk what i thought you were saying something else

>>34949997
ur hitting me deep with red pills here

but then again you have to account for the fact that being a NEET isnt even a guaranteed situation that is even possible for some

wage cucking is better than being homeless and suffering even if you barely pay your bills its better to have something than nothing

you just have to accept the fact that life sucks though

unless you got a well paying job you like a lot but capitalism doesnt pay for shit people want to do

lol

>>34950111

>but then again you have to account for the fact that being a NEET isnt even a guaranteed situation that is even possible for some

Yeah I agree with you. The problem as I mentioned in my first post is that the NEET gets trapped in a sense in this world of mental expansion and consciousness, but then periodically they'll be forced to face reality. In my own case, I was NEET for 8 years and the government brought in "work for the dole" schemes which basically would have forced me to do terrible warehouse work for less than I'd get if I'd found a job myself. I was practically suicidal... had to end up becoming technically a student, so I'm not really "NEET" anymore, though I spend less than an hour a day studying and earn more than I did on unemployment benefits.

I was just attempting to describe the dilemma of the NEET and the major factor that I see as hindering the NEET from becoming a wagecuck.

>>34949997
>what matters is that the wagecuck life only appears appealing in fleeting moments when you're thinking about it generally. The moment you're actually faced with spending 8 HOURS(!!!!!!) or so doing mindless work, it becomes clear which alternative you'd prefer.

Like I said, I am a wagie right now and a former NEET. I never want to go back being a NEET.

Not to be Captain Obvious, but there's 24 hours in a day. 8 hours of work is nothing. You get 8 hours of free time and 8 hours of sleep, and weekends. That's an ideal life. Some people work two jobs and might have maybe one day off.

Between 8 hours of work a day, and 16 hours a day of doing absolutely nothing, I prefer the former.

>the NEET is able to exercise some sort of consciousness over their situation, they are thinking about and considering their life and why they feel the way they do, why they're stuck

introspection and contemplation and philosophizing and all that is completely meaningless without action.

What action can a NEET take besides not being a NEET? Everything that there is to be done as a NEET has already been achieved in the first couple of years.

Going back to this post

>>34949559
>instead of 8 hours discussing existence feels on an anime forum, you're going to be repeating a single line to customers robotically like "have a nice day"

You reach a point there where talking about anime feels, or being pro or anti-trump, becomes as repetitive and as empty as the "have a nice day".

and like I said, it's 16 hours of NEETdom a day, more or less, not 8.

Life is all about balance. You should have free time to do nothing and play video games and wonder about the universe, but you should also be active in every sense of that term.

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>>34950207
its definitely a dilemma
its my whole life thus far

one aspect you fail to see though is a HUGE factor that you dont really notice its the fact that NEETDOM wouldnt be such a huge problem if there wasnt the massive job theft that donald trump talks about

we lost all our factories and low level jobs to immigrants and outsourcing and shipping factories overseas to china that all these young people in america got fucked....

NEETDOM wouldnt be 1/10th a problem of what it is , if not for the ECONOMY. Which is something that is just a fact of the world...

Its not your fault if your a NEET , its lack of opportunity over a long term trajectory of the country ...... with lack of prosperity.

>>34945502
They age quickly and not well. Otherwise good.

>>34950241

>Like I said, I am a wagie right now and a former NEET. I never want to go back being a NEET.

Hmmmm, really makes you think.

>You get 8 hours of free time and 8 hours of sleep, and weekends.

That was not my experience. My experience was that if I could never get '8 hours' exactly sleep EVEN WHEN WORKING ON A RIDICULOUSLY STRICT SCHEDULE. The reality is that some days you won't be able to get to sleep on time, some days you'll be kept up by something, some days you'll wake too early, some days you'll feel exhausted in the morning. This "8 hours sleep" thing is ludicrous propaganda, and most sleep scientists say that 8 hours is typical, but that many people need more.

Then MUCH of your time is not "free time", it's time spent recovering from work or preparing for it, or loathing your life because you know that returning to work is inevitable. It takes time to groom and dress yourself in the morning, it takes time (and\or money) to get to work, work often goes overtime or starts early, there are all sorts of interruptions, you have to cook and eat breakfast and dinner usually, you have to relax briefly after eating, etc. I could write a giant post just on all the ways your "free time" quickly gets eaten up. When I was working I paid extra to rent an apartment literally NEXT DOOR to work in the city, but I STILL had very little time (and more importantly, little focus on energy) to do the things I wanted - and I wanted simple things like to read for 2 hours a day. When you spend your day at work, most people simply won't have the energy to focus like that.

I will continue to respond to your comment in another post...

>>34936159
man why is it so hard to find the motivation to do fucking anything
I've been planning to shave and get a haircut for weeks but I just can't be fucking arsed to do even something as simple as that. Should I see if I can get some drugs or something for it or just get off my lazy arse and start doing shit?

>>34950304
>immigrants
foreign neet here... immigrant is just trump`s boogeyman. Fnding a wagecuck job here can be huell of difficult. I would bet even more difficult than in US.

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>>34950406
its not a boogeyman immigration legal and illegal drive the wages down

its what causes normal jobs to become KEKY

because you have to strive to pay the bills when it could be easy

because 10,000 pacos ready to work for piss

you are the boogeyman you idiot

>>34950377
>getting to and from the wagecuck job
A dreadful experience, especially if it is a long ride.

>>34950458
>you are the boogeyman you idiot
I'm not even in the US ameribro.

>>34950241

>Between 8 hours of work a day, and 16 hours a day of doing absolutely nothing, I prefer the former.

You were responding to my post which explicitly mentioned how the life of the invol-NEET is made up of constant mental stimulation, and now you reduce that to "doing absolutely nothing". The reality is that even when I was a disorganised, invol-NEET, I was getting far more 'done' for my own life than I did during the years that I worked. 100% of my time at work was spent under other people's directions, people who were benefitting from this differential of control over my life and time. While I was working mindlessly, people were benefitting from that financially and socially - people who in many cases were not working.

As I said, the NEET fills his life with constant exploration and entertainment, which may not OUTWARDLY appear to be much - the thing is, they ARE significant and NEETS have trouble leaving this life precisely because of a genuine conflict over the value of this time.

>You reach a point there where talking about anime feels, or being pro or anti-trump, becomes as repetitive and as empty as the "have a nice day".

This is absolutely not true, a life of constant mental stimulation and activity leads to constant mental evolution and growth. I was once talking about politics and so on, but now I dismiss those things as spooks (thankyou Stirner-posters for this). I am evolving, growing, discarding values and ideas and actions which waste my time and harm me, and embracing values, ideas, and activities that improve the value of my life.

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Who /nightshift/ here? Does it suit your robot lifestyle? I just got hired on today as a security guard at a hospital, and I'll be working 6PM-6AM

I'm pretty excited to be working in a healthcare environment; according to the regional manager who interviewed me, the area in which the hospital is located has been seeing a rise in meth-related hospital visits.

>mfw he told me that this past Tuesday, two strung out meth heads started fighting each other and one of them pulled out a syringe to use as a weapon

>>34950464

As I've just mentioned here >>34950489 I ended up renting directly next door to my workplace, which cut down a lot of that time... but before that I had gone to work by train every morning. I had constant disruptions (even getting up early and catching early trains was never enough to avoid some disruptions forcing me to get into work late). There was the constant expenditure of energy dealing with crazies and annoying people on the train. Then there were a bunch of people arrested for a terrorist plot to literally bomb the trainline I was on.

Literally NO NEET's were killed on 911.

>>34950377
>That was not my experience. My experience was that if I could never get '8 hours' exactly sleep EVEN WHEN WORKING ON A RIDICULOUSLY STRICT SCHEDULE. The reality is that some days you won't be able to get to sleep on time, some days you'll be kept up by something, some days you'll wake too early, some days you'll feel exhausted in the morning. This "8 hours sleep" thing is ludicrous propaganda, and most sleep scientists say that 8 hours is typical, but that many people need more.

Well, the counter-point to that is that my NEET sleep cycle consisted of sleeping for 10 hours and waking up exhausted and then staying up all night until 3 or 4 in the morning and then sleeping for 10 hours and feeling exhausted, etc.

I gotta disagree that "much" of our free time is spent getting ready for work or going to work. Unless you work in an entirely different city, or live in a city with an outdated infrastructure, getting to work isn't much an issue. It's enjoyable most of the time to see everyone else headed to school or work.

One thing that made me go "hhmmmm" was

>you have to cook and eat breakfast and dinner usually, you have to relax briefly after eating

Why are you implying that those are bad things? Do you not cook for yourself as a NEET?

I enjoy the process of cooking and most people do. If not they just get take-out or frozen microwave meals.

Also
>it's time spent recovering from work
>you have to relax briefly after eating

That's the thing, like with the cake analogy.

Relaxing is only something that can be done after effort. Both physically and mentally. There's nothing like a bath or shower after a workout. If you don't work out, a bath or shower feels like an ordeal.

How can you relax as a NEET? What are you recovering from?

It's all about that balance. You can't appreciate summer unless there's winter.

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>>34940730
If any of them ever did come on here to try to help and encourage NEET anons to leave the NEETlyfe behind and sort themselves out, they'd probably just get told to fuck off. At least if the board culture is anything like it was last time I was on here regularly.

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>>34950538
>Literally NO NEET's were killed on 911.

Well your defense of the NEET lifestyle has certainly an unrelated quick left turn.


counter point is pic related.

and that's excluding those who also die young from living unhealthy sedentary lifestyles.

>>34950659
>>34940730

see:

>>34948678
>>34948773

wagies are robots too.

If there weren't any wagies on this board too, all those tick tuck wagecuck shitposts would get so many replies either.

>>34950607

>It's enjoyable most of the time to see everyone else headed to school or work.

This is almost comedic-tier wagecuck rationalising at work. "I go to work because it's enjoyable seeing other people heading to work! Look at their happy faces!"

>Why are you implying that those are bad things? Do you not cook for yourself as a NEET?

I never implied they were intrinsically bad. As a NEET I enjoy cooking. I brought the issue up as a counter to your claim of "8 hours free time", it can take about an hour to produce any decent meal, and then time to eat and digest. No matter how I plan this, 2 hours for cooking + eating dinner is about normal, even if I've pre-cooked something It's still going to take an hour or so if I want to enjoy my meal and not feel rushed. This is "self maintenance" time, not "free time".

>Relaxing is only something that can be done after effort. Both physically and mentally. There's nothing like a bath or shower after a workout. If you don't work out, a bath or shower feels like an ordeal.

When I saw you have to relax after eating, I was talking about the lack of free time to do meaningful things. You can insist all you like "I enjoy digesting my food!", but I've systematically undermined your ridiculous assertion that you get "8 hours" free time every day, it's ridiculous. You spend the vast majority of that 8 hours either recovering or preparing for work, OR maintaining yourself in some basic way. Not being conscious or alive.

>It's all about that balance. You can't appreciate summer unless there's winter.

But who says that winter has to mean slaving away on someone elses behalf? As a NEET, I can focus on things that require more effort and concentration, I can do things that are more or less essential.

>>34950503
It's great if you're already a night owl, which most robots are.

I worked midnight to 6 at a donut shop. it was just and the place was absolute dead for most of the time most of the week. I would sit in the back and read and drink beer then go smoke cigarettes in the dark outside.

It's also a good feeling to walk back home as the sun is iring.

>>34950780
>24/7 donut shop

Is that a normal thing? Who were your main clientele? I'm guessing drunk people

>>34949097

That's so stupid I don't even know where to begin. I value my free time above everything else. Is when I'm able to accomplish things that actually matter. You may waste your time laying around on Facebook and reddit but some people, most people, are better than you and we need that free time. If I didn't have to work I could get so much further in my pursuits. I've had to make a lot of modifications or even postpone projects because of work impeding my efforts. My interests are very time sensitive and when it comes to things like mold or proper measurements being off an hour can render the entire run useless for data or even kill the culture. People work because they need money, unless they are like you, then they work because they need to be told what to do or else they will sit and stare at a wall a day waiting for commands.

Even your examples are shit. Cake I worst after a meal. If I eat, which I don't as I generally dislike sweets, it's as a snack. I also moved to the southeast because I fucking hate snow. I'm glad when it's warm and sunny because that means my plants can thrive. You must not have much real life experience, I don't believe anyone here could be so thoroughly broken, not just as a man, but as a person as well.

>>34950748
>it can take about an hour to produce any decent meal

>an hour

no.

>and then time to eat and digest

and again, you say that like it's something bad and unenjoyable.

I watch TV and movies or youtube videos while eating and "digesting". I enjoy my food. You don't? You see it as time wasted?

What are you even saying, no one is actively digesting and doing only that one thing like they can't play Minecraft while their spaghetti is in their stomach.

> I was talking about the lack of free time to do meaningful things

NEEts are the last group of people to be talking about doing meaningful things.

Is this where you tell me that NEETs spend their time composing symphonies and researching the cure for AIDS?

I'm starting to see who you really are. You may as well start posting your pepes

>As a NEET, I can focus on things that require more effort and concentration, I can do things that are more or less essential.

^

>>34950855
not the the neet from that post but just exchange cake for some fine liqour, IF your precise measurements allow for this of course.

>>34950928
Don't reply to me again.

>>34949809
Boredom is a sign of a weak mind and spirit. It's absurd how you are aware of these possibilities yet still choose ennui out of an infinite number of superior alternatives.

The destiny of a neet is enlightenment, physically, mentally, and spiritually. Compare the average number of books a neet reads each month to your typical wagecuck. How do you figure it's the wagie who is living well?

>>34950855
>My interests are very time sensitive and when it comes to things like mold or proper measurements being off an hour can render the entire run useless for data or even kill the culture

Then why are you wasting your time laying around on 4chan and r9k?

Do you get paid for your interests that require so much of your time and concentration?

If you have that much of a life-consuming hobby that worries you, you should get paid for it. What a waste.

>>34950928
only thing i agree upon is cooking.
>be neet
>cooking
pick one

>>34950855
>You may waste your time laying around on Facebook and reddit but some people, most people, are better than you and we need that free tim
you mean NEETs like yourself? got it. this is the recovery thread. take your NEET glorification elsewhere.

>>34950960
>The destiny of a neet is enlightenment, physically, mentally, and spiritually.

You forgot to post your pepe.

>How do you figure it's the wagie who is living well?

Wagie isn't going to die of natural causes or suicide at age 30

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>>34950855
>>34950748
Why do NEETs who are clearly not interested in serving society come here to shitpost and glorify the NEET life?

>>34950996
>tfw never seen a mcdonald`s pepe.

meh, i don't get all the hate for neets. i have more money than i can reasonably spend it ten lifetimes, why the fuck should i waste 8 hours every day doing something that makes me miserable so i can look forward to free time which i already have?

jobs are for suckers and poor people

>>34950928

> no

Here we see more of the dishonest, deluded wagecuck attempting again to dishonestly represent how much time in a day it takes to complete most chores, in an effort to insist that the average worker gets PLENTY of free time out of work. Simply Googling "How long does it take to cook dinner?" results in this:

It can go as long as an hour and a half or even two hours, depending on the dishes or interruptions, but other meals are really quick, under 30 minutes.

So the first result says it takes even up to 30 minutes for a "really quick meal".


>I watch TV and movies or youtube videos

These are the very things you were complaining about earlier are a waste of time! So you can sit and passively view media while you eat. Great. You can't start a movie, though - if the average movie is over an hour, because then you're just spending MORE time just to have something to do while you eat\digest. So you've at minimum lost 30 minutes for your penne + pasata pasta, and an hour and a half on your movie - 2 hours.

>I'm starting to see who you really are. You may as well start posting your pepes

I have over 500, seriously. I'm not going to respond to you in future, though. You're not interested in discussing this honestly, you're just repeating points, and now you're just resorting to lame "NEETs are all losers" bullshit. Enjoy your precisely co-ordinated 8 hours of sound sleep tonight.

>>34950827
Yup, there's competing franchises too.

The main customer demographic was actually spread fairly evenly, and changed every few hours.

A lot of students doing late-night studying, a lot of truck and ambulance drivers just passing through just looking for a quick bite and a place to shit as well as cops, stoners obviously, and then around 4-6AM it would just be people on their way to work or school (or people on their way back from their own night shift job).

Drunk people only on Fridays and Saturdays and also because the place was within walking distance of three bars. I never had any troubles with anyone.

>>34951040
>I was born with silver spoon up my ass pepe.jpg
nigga, some of us need to pay bills and don`t have money to do so. go back to hating immigrants on /pol/.

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>tfw most active NEET recovery thread in /r9k/ history

>>34951076
please answer this >>34950996

>You're not interested in discussing this honestly, you're just repeating points
not him but they're pretty fine points at that. what are you even doing in the NEET recovery thread if you feel no need to recover? get out

>>34951091
but that's what i'm saying. people with jobs need to pay bills, they do these jobs BECAUSE they need to pay bills. Obviouslyif you're a neet you've found a way around that, and good for you.

>>34950942

That doesn't really make much sense either because I drink before or during meals but not much after. I could be happy having a drink with every meal though. For a long time than is what everyone did before we got the whole water treatment thing down pat. You drink beer because it is a good source of energy, hydrates better than water, and best of all, won't fucking kill you.

Fcee time is unique in that it's quality is directly correlated to its quantity. I enjoy my time much more when I have a lot of it to progress in whatever I'm currently invested in than I do when so thoroughly exhausted I have to force myself into the shower. It feels like being robbed. The employer got everything I had that day and left me with nothing. You can easily tell which samples were written by me on a day off work and which were after a shift. Since you're a work zealot I should clarify that the better samples are the ones where I was actually able to focus and get shit done.

Since we like ridiculous examples, here's a good one. Say there is a marathon. You have one guy who is an elite athlete and dedicates his life to running. Then you have some fat piece of shit. The athlete trains, eats, and rests in preparation for the event. The fat piece of shit does nothing except get raped by a horse every day. Who do you think will win? The neet who lives well, or the wagie who barely has the energy to limp out of the stables?

>>34951076
No one is cooking a Thanksgiving dinner everyday, silly NEET. I know how long it takes to make myself to eat and it's barely 20 minutes.

My point it that it's also enjoyable. It's time well spent.

It seems like you've been a NEET for far too long and are unable to distinguish free time from dead time.

Free time is not time meant to do nothing at all. It's time meant for things you enjoy doing.

Everyone enjoys eating, unless they're bulimic or something.

>These are the very things you were complaining about earlier are a waste of time!

I wasn't. They're a waste of time if they become your 16-hours-a-day "hobbies".

> I'm not going to respond to you in future, though. You're not interested in discussing this honestly, you're just repeating points, and now you're just resorting to lame "NEETs are all losers" bullshit

Sorry buddy but you're the one who's been calling me a NEETcuck and being upset from the very beginning.

Don't let me keep you from your very important vague things that you're apparently doing

>>34951137
Someone with a job gets experience and references and promotions. He can get fired or quit his but still find a new one.


A NEET who gets denied benefits is utterly and completely fucked. It's not like you've acquired NEET skills and NEET experience to get a NEET promotion. It's not like you can get benefits from another government, there's only one.

Being dependent on NEETbux, as a choice, it a powder keg waiting to blow up in your face.

>>34950968

Do you want to pay me for what I do? I'd gladly share information and maybe even any waste I have related to it. For $60k/yr I will gladly quit my current job.

Unlike you I don't waste my time because it is too valuable. If you need any help I may be able to provide some tips or work on it while I'm waiting.

My hobby isn't what worries me, it's work. Are you really so stupid you could read my post but think I'm complaining about the things I do for fun?

>>34951212
>i drink before or during meals
then exchange cake for an aperitif/digestif
Such as: I really love baileys. I will save baileys for after the meal and the coffee. It will taste that much better and it might help with digesting the delicious meal and coffee i just had!

>>34951320
>>Unlike you I don't waste my time because it is too valuable
not even him but you are proving the exact opposite this very moment

>>34951212
> I enjoy my time much more when I have a lot of it to progress in whatever I'm currently invested in

>>34950855
>My interests are very time sensitive and when it comes to things like mold or proper measurements being off an hour can render the entire run useless for data or even kill the culture.


Really now

>>34950968

What DO you do?

>>34951294

>Someone with a job gets experience and references and promotions. He can get fired or quit his but still find a new one.

It really depends on what type of work you do. I used to work in government but went through a period of depression and got bullied at the office, so I left the job. I was then basically excluded from ever applying for ANY government job because they all had my history on file. If you're in a more advanced career, a cross-referenceable work history can even really really work against you if you mess up somehow. Say you're accused of sexual harassment in the workplace (happens more often than you'd like to think), if you have a high-level university qualification, references, and a work history with major established institutions - you're fucked because word is going to get all along the grapevine.

>A NEET who gets denied benefits is utterly and completely fucked.

This is true a lot of the time but consider the alternatives. A lot of NEETS are people who might otherwise be working completely dead-end or mindless jobs for years without ever having the time or saving enough to be able to re-invest in themselves to give themselves a chance at earning some degree of freedom. It's a better choice for these people to take what they can get now, gain some free time and actually enjoy their life. Lots of NEETs also discover things they like during this time, which can lead to owning their own business or simply gaining a qualification which allows them to work a little but avoid complete poverty.

>>34950458
Jessica poster is ITT

Do you post on /kpg/?

pg/?

>>34951320
>I will gladly quit my current job.

>current job

So not only do you work a job, which according to yourself is a waste of everything, but you're also wasting your time on the robot equivalent of facebook and not doing your very vague but very important and time-senstive interest.

Have a good night, troubled anon. It was fun talking to you.

>>34951294
eh, maybe, but it's still their choice and their right. i wouldn't know, but if you don't want to have a family i think you could get by just on neetbux. maybe it depends on the country, i dunno

For 90k/year I will gladly give up my life as neet to work your job. I will be very sensitive about measurements and stuff. I will also post ITT constantly.

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>>34950970

Neets don't use Facebook. It's an unproductive waste of time. I thought it was neets trying to recover from being wagies. If this isn't neet glorification it should be titled wagecuck recovery.

>>34950993

I don't really draw much. I do have some tits to share though. It's better than popes. Most wagecucks do die of natural causes though. Suicide tends to occur in older age though, white males in their 60s. The 30s are often said to be a person's best years. I'm skeptical because I don't feel as energetic as I did in my early 20s, but with the aches and pains comes wisdom. I guess that's got to be worth something.

>>34950996

What is serving society? If you mean scrubbing Walmart toilets then yeah, not for me. All the greatest advances in society were made by neets. Mendel and genetics, Bill Gates and personal computing, Ug and farming, all great men who were neet and society owes them a debt of gratitude for their contribution.

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The first step I took to rejoining society was going for a run 5 nights a week. Go for a jog. It's horrible and awful at first, and if you're paranoid like I was, you'll think every person you jog by is judging you. Chances are they aren't, or are jealous that you have the motivation to run and they don't. Anyway, it lifted my depression so I started running every morning at 6am, and the depression fighting effect lasted all day. I run on a treadmill now but it accomplishes the same thing.

Maybe I'm not typical, but the thing that always held me back the most was lack of motivation, brought on by years of sloth and gluttony from being a comfy but socially anxious NEET. Maybe it's the same for you. So run you fat piece of shit

>>34951499
walking fast and going for fast walks is good too.

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>>34951483
>>Neets don't use Facebook. It's an unproductive waste of time.
Like 4chan? And r9k, especially?

>I thought it was neets trying to recover from being wagies.
well fuck me, it's been bait all along

>>34951499
>tfw live in a rural area so everybody that I run by does judge me

>>34951499
Not him but I've always ran, since I was 12 or maybe younger. I ran my first marathon at 17. Back then I also did crossfit and ran at least 10km each month.

Eventually it started depressing me. I look back and think of all the time spent exercising for what? Where did it get me? Nowhere. Maybe I'd be a fatass, but running is such a pointless activity to me that just thinking about it makes me upset.

Glad it helped you, though.

>>34951584
Walking fast is where it`s at. No one runs irl. Everyone walks.

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Anyone who's actually worked a while at first but reverted into a neet? I'm worried that I'll end up like that.

>>34951663
Me here. But i'm going to sleep now. Remember tho, keep walking.

>>34951663
Yep. I worked for about a year after high school, then lived the NEET life for 3 years in a row.

The only way I was able to escape was nepotism; Uncle landed a cushy job and needed an assistant. I've since left that job, but I've been working ever since

>>34951583
I feel you, anon. Everyone I pass by has a 20% chance or so of knowing me.

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>>34951336

You might be on to something with coffee, but how could someone grow to dislike coffee or tea after meals? Maybe I'm just not a novelty addict like most wagies.

>>34951351

Why do you think that? If anything I am proving the opposite. Read my posts again, take notes if it helps you keep up.

>>34951365

Yes. I could automate it but I haven't yet got around to it. It's a bit of a pickle really. To automate it I really need to know the optimal parameters so I can fuss over it less. In order to get there it I have to fuss over it. Articles help here but they don't always have the exact same thing im going for. Fungus is pretty cool and has a lot of similarities, but the differences are profound too.

>>34951417

I wish I could say it had been nice talking to you as well. I thought I already posted that I don't waste my time, but I guess you didn't understand. I don't waste my time because I value it too much. What I do isn't vague but very specific, and is probably only important to a handful of people with similar interests.

I have 3 days off so I already have my fun planned out and the alarm is set for 0400. This isn't mcdonald's where you get instant results. Your way of thinking is why most people don't have good hobbies. They like the microwave lifestyle. I've tried enzymatic sacharification and just was not pleased with the results. Some things happen on their own timescale.

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>NEET for 2 years straight
>started off fun as you know
>freedom to do what I wanted
>money started to run out
>started racking up debt
>never leave house except for groceries
>down to one meal a day
>eating dry bread and drinking water
>finally become wagecuck
>spooky skeleton at this stage from lack of nourishment but feels good
>make just enough to survive month by month
>crippling depression once again
>apart from work and groceries still stay at home
>get suggestion from r9k to browse a certain site
>start chatting to qt
>progress to talking on the phone every day
>she is also robot but not from r9k
>plan holiday with her
>will finally meet in less than 2 weeks
will I make it lads?

>>34951832
w-what site

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>>34951709
Wouldn't the reason why you stopped working after a year continue to linger? I think I'm just incapable of continually working and moving up, that I will one day lose it and not want to do it anymore even if I was handed a new job.

>>34952097
interpals
you don't remember those threads?
>r9k may have actually helped improve my life

>be neet for about 8 months
>get a mininum wage job last because my parents nagged me, saying i might a girl
>it's pretty bad and of course i did not meet any girls or make any friends
I quit and have about a week to find something to do before returning to neetdom.
I thought about trying to a private teacher , maybe a non wagecuck job will be different.

>>34952574
Last month*
Meet a girl**
Sorry for that lads.

>>34938223
Buy some yohimbe and panax ginseng, take both an hour beforehand next time.

But don't worry my brethren, we've all been there. Well, at least our fellow cyborgs.

Would it be a bad idea to go to Goodwill and buy dress pants and dress shirts for cheap?

I might work for a local Dry Cleaners soon if Lord Almighty allows me the job. They will possibly give me a call Monday. It's a pretty well-known shop in Downtown. And I want to look sharp. Not fedora tier, but some nice tapered dress pants and dress shirt. Good idea or bad?

>>34952647
Good Idea,Make sure its ironed and all
Also maybe have to camisole on(to catch sweat)

>>34952725
Thanks anon. I'll possibly do it tomorrow or Sunday. And get myself a rental car to allow me to be mobile.

>tfw had a cozy casino job in a nice CA area
>only worked 20-30 hours a week but got paid 40 hours worth
>pad $1000 of my paycheck to my parents for """"""""'rent"""""""""""" every month even though I lived in my room all the time
>still had to buy my own food/gas/college
>have literally 1 semester of college left, already signed up for classes
>they still kicked me out for "not contributing and just staying in my room all day"

>NEET for 3 years
>Now have a much harder job in a metal shop that pays much worse and have to share a trailer with 5 other people in the rural south
Still havent responded to my dad and stepmoms emails since the day I moved out. They are actually surprised and wondering why I wont talk to them. I am hoping to move to a bigger city and join a police department, since /k/ and /pol/ said to join a big city PD all you need is a pulse and high school diploma.
I hate this.

A couple of years ago
>be me
>be extroverted and alpha
>good enough to get hugs from qts
>had friends
>had social life
>actually enjoying life

Then when I became 16
>school ends
>living in rough working class town
>still in contact with 3 people at most from there
>join a course that only have to turn up to three days a week and then get the rest done at home
>full of working class retard normies
>full of autists
>hate everyone there
>old friend starts becoming an autistic shutin
>other old friend becomes crazy outcast and starts hanging out with drug addicts who live off neetbux
>gradually lose contact with them as I spend more and more time online
>discover that one of these days, they don't actually check if you turn up, so no one does
>only turn up two days per week
>still not enough time work because of this retarded course which I'm only even bothering with to get into uni
>effectively become a semi-NEET
>start browsing 4chan
>start playing vidya on the daily
>start getting neetbux from parents, who are NEETs and receiving neetbux themselves
>start hating people
>start leaving house only for essentials
>start to feel my contribution to society go to zero
>start to feel my ability to connect with normies rapidly deteriorating
>tfw when I realise I'm the furthest from a normie I've ever been
>tell myself it's just temporary and I have plenty of time to waste
>I can fix this later(tm)

Uh oh, guys. I have an interview for the normiest cafe I have ever seen as a baker. Could this be my recovery? I am the last guy you would ever expect to work at a place like this. I'm thinking they will see me and immediately disregard any considerations for hiring me.

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>>34952781

Two years later
>be me
>18
>semi-NEET
>course has like 10 people now who I all hate for various reasons
>these 10 people never talk to each other outside of class
>spend 10 hours per day in front of a screen
>waste most of it on 4chan and discord
>want to make a difference in my life
>education is taking up too much time to find a job
>all the connections I ever had irl are now gone
>literally no irl social life anymore
>now too much of a beta to build new ones
>now too much of a NEET to go outside
>effectively a robot
>social skills have gotten worse ten fold
>do everything in the same room
>leave the house three days per week on average
>feel myself getting less and less motivated because of this
>waste even more time
>realise it's actually pretty comfy living off parents' NEETbux
>realise that the entire family are NEETs and comfily living off NEETbux
>yet realise I don't want to be a NEET forever
>everyday is a struggle
>if I stop being a NEET, I will fuck up my grades
>if I fuck up my grades, I will be a NEET
>decide to just stick with it
>dream everyday of being a wagecuck
>dream everyday of contributing to society
>dream everyday of stepping outside my house with a purpose
>dream everyday of being chad
>realise you are literally living in NEETdom purgatory

What can I do to ease the pain

>>34952770
Why couldn't you continue school after they kicked you out? Did they refuse to help you out with it? I don't see how you could not tell them you'd move out in a year upon completing your degree and getting a chance to find a solid job in your field.

>>34952787
I don't know what to tell you, but good luck, anon. Hope your journey to recovery goes well.

>>34952837
>Why couldn't you continue school after they kicked you out?
I couldnt afford to live in the area, and I didnt know anybody to move in with in a reasonable distance from work and school

>Did they refuse to help you out with it?
The only thing they paid for was my phone and car insurance

>I don't see how you could not tell them you'd move out in a year upon completing your degree and getting a chance to find a solid job in your field.
I did but they wanted me out. Well, my stepmom wanted me out and my Dad just sat in a different room while she told me to leave.

>>34953090
Wow, that's complete sabotage on you life. It's surprising your dad just let that happen knowing that you were so close to graduating and having a chance at being successful

>have intense social anxiety that gets worse when I think I'm inconveniencing another person
>chose a career path that forces me to have spontaneous and in-depth interactions strangers on a regular basis

Why did I curse myself to a personal hell like this?

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>become pothead at 15
>smoke erryday for 3 years
>start developing psychotic delusions and anxious ticks
>fired from job
>hospitalized and start antipsychotics
>intense dystonic reactions hospitalize me three times in a year
>cut off all ties with friends
>neet for 2 years
>quit smoking weed
>quit smoking cigarettes
>start educating myself by taking notes on subjects that interest me
>feelin' fine and taking walks at night
>less anxiety but still having delusions and anxiety
>restarted therapy a week ago
>getting SSRIs for anxiety and OCD symptoms
>I can imagine my apartment and comfy shitposting in my own place
>looking for jobs
>imagine buying my own shit

I can't wait bots.

>Meet-up group happening tomorrow.
>Went to the last one and actually enjoyed it, despite being scared shitless to go.
>This meeting has changed from being held in a park to being held in a pub.
I'm fucking terrified. I can't handle pubs. I think I'm just going to cancel.

>>34953591
It's always worse in your mind. Bring music, ask to be excused if you feel like tapping out, but still attend. The more you pussy out the further you take a step back toward gaining freedom.

>>34945740
i have female friends but the mentality and drive of a NEET.

bump because this thread is good thread

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>>34936159
>NEET failure for 3 years
>finally enrolled for year 12 again last year
>so far everything is good, just have to last until december
>even had a job interview last tuesday for a position at a library and I think it went really well

The only saving grace is that my NEETdom lasted from 15-18, so I can just play it off as a teen who went off the rails but got his life back on track situation. This is what you get for browsing 4chan from when you were a shota

>>34954548
>NEETdom lasted from 15-18
my NEETdom started at 16 and is yet to end (18 now) but I'm hopeful

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This is more of a positive one, don't really browse r9k anymore but took a peak and figured I'd contribute. Not sure how interesting it will be though.

>neet for about 3 1/2 years now
>dropped out of high school before finishing
>extremely depressed and parents throw me on a bunch of random medication from doctors
>they kick me out after 2 months and I move into a crappy house a family member owns and rents rooms out in
>roomates include drug addcits, pedophiles, a prostitute at one point. Generally not good and some rooms had no heating/insulation so would get down to around 20 degrees in winter.
>Rather then starving end up atleast leaving to go to the store for food (self checkout of course) that was basically the extent of my improvement living there for 1.5 years
while there
>try getting job at call center but stop going to training after 2 days (first job woo)
>for a large period slept in a sort of hallway 2 (family members atleast) used to get to their rooms, their friends would use it too (I'd respond by being autistic and hiding in bed or blasting edgy music)
>go to shrink 2 or 3 times and get put on more medications on ocaision
>move in with dad becuase that house got sold
>he pushes me really hard to get a job and work at a grocery store for 3 weeks
>(never drank before) end up drinking half a big btotle of vodka and planning on killing myself, end up going to an outpatient thing for a month with group therapy for depression (actually highly recommend it)

(pic related is an old chart some of you might recognize/appreciate how edgy it is)
>dad makes me leave before I finish the outpatient program and end up moving in with a grouphome with sisters friends
>I'm pretty much left alone for the first time (Has been nearly 2 years)
>on medication which atleast makes anxiety less extreme and learn to drive (had learned a bit before I went neet in the firstplace so wasn't that bad, made me super anxious though, RHP song about being afraid to drive a car I listened alot at that time)
>get job at grocery store last for 4 weeks this time i think before freaking out over something small
>stop reading overtop edgy philosophy and exposingmyself to overly deppresive music/websites (/dep)
>lived there for about a year with a decent ammount of privacy
>work security but freak out after 3 days (was a social job)
>have a couple jobs for less then a day
>stop taking meds and slowly get worse then start getting better (I can post studies if you want but STOP TAKING MEDS THEY RUIN PEOPLE)
>still not able to socialize but low stress enviroment and focusing on more positive stuff atleast makes suicidal thoughts 70% less constant
>have security job for 2 months (my high score) it was totally secluded, I mostly slept. I didn't want to call to get a new post after current one finished so that ended
>dad and some family help pay for an apartment for me and sister/her bf
>live off savings for a bit

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>start reading into alternative theories for Truth and some Christian apologetics
>focus more on Christianity and try praying
>have to make a call and try listening to some hymns to help calm myself
>while focusing on Christ my social anxiety goes away totally (not easy to keep focus all the time though)
>becomes a primary interest and start developing a much more positive outlook, depression and suidical stuff 95% gone, social anxiety gone if I'm focusing.
>start focusing on teaching myself things for a proper career
>have a definite good positive life plan
>start a warehouse job (only lasted a month and a half though I still have some problems)
>start attending an Orthodox Church (first time I went was overwhelming in a weird way(not bad), talked to priest for 2 hours very friendly, went to a class.)
>end upnot going for about a month (started working) and end up falling back into more depressive stuff
>start going again and it pulls me out of it, very rejuivnating I would call it.
>actively going twice a week for a bit over a month now
>still not active socially but occaisonally am talked to and carry conversation with others there, they are very friendly. Planning on pursuing that more (they have a social hour after services)

>>34954548
>teen who went off the rails but got his life back on track
I'm totally stealing that anon, thanks. I went NEET at 15 and got my life back together at 18 (but I didn't do school til 20, I traveled the world and stuff)

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Where I'm at now I have a very positive outlook, suicide isn't a possible conisderation for me, very much expect to get married within 5 years or so even though I dont know anyone now, I have a very concrete definite plan for where I am going and what I ought to do. God is great and I ought all good that has happened to me to Christ.

Hymn I mentioned helped me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJBdHUfpixw

If anyone here is interested in talking/wants some input where to look into Christian stuff just let me know I'd be happy to help. I will say what I know of it and what we generally know of it in the west is very far from the loving and truthful nature of Orthodox Christianity so even if your let down/against stuff you are familiar with in the west you might be suprised.
g198n3v8bguvdb27bv is my skype

Or just for something to watch I'd highly recommend watching some documentaries on monastaries they are very robotic (see last pic)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-p1DmddP_I (last pic is from)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdGUnSu49hg (longer)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D8OxrSZZU8 (shorter)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9k4cRRHv1w& One of my favorite monks, died young but his books are great and would appeal to some robots I think.
Nihilism and the root of revolution in the modern age is a great read, pretty short too
http://docdro.id/SlxAMji

People also skeptical of religon out to look at it

>it's another night where anon browses backpage, contemplating going to a brothel episode

I really want to go out and feel something but it's a fucking hassle getting to these places

>>34955730
I have always been interested.

Is it safe and what is the hassle?

>>34955793
idk never been to one before. still a virgin so there's that.

it's mainly travel. city is a pain in the ass as well there's a function on tonight.

>>34955820
a big city even is what i mean. lots more traffic

How does one recover from NEETing?

>NEETed/Shutin for 2 years after graduating late from uni with a BA.
>Nearly 1 year into working a deadend job
>Family reminds me all the time that I'll be 30 and still a virgin in less than 3 years time.

>>34956102
see my 4 wall of text posts above

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>>34956122
>being this desperate for a (You)

Your life story is uninteresting, and your writing style is annoying. Feck off

HAHAHA kill yourself if you are still a neet when you're 20.

Your have NO future.

>>34952770
hahahaha. wagie BTFO.

>>34957300
This. I'm 23, went through college and university and got a good job abroad. The thought of having no qualifications at this age and having to do it all from scratch (at least 5 years full-time) would make me suicidal beyond belief. Don't fuck up your education/training anons, you only have one chance to do it full time when you're young and your parents will support you. Otherwise you have to do it part-time whilst funding yourself, which is hell and easy a 5-10 year stint.

>>34957333
Why are you even on this board? Not even mad, just curious

>>34957346
Because although I have a job I'm incredibly lonely and suffer with depression and derealization most days but even that wouldn't be as bad as having to do all my education from the beginning now. I think I would just kill myself.

>>34957333
>>34957375
im in exactly the same position as you (23yo grad with good job) but i still fucked around for 2 years between 18-23

I think if you start at 20 you're still fine. Finish a three year degree and get into work straight away. The only catch I guess would be having been out of education for two years. I'd assume your brain would be full of cobwebs. Hell I found it hard to get started again each year after the summer break and that was <3months

>>34957333
>>34957483
what kind of good jobs do you guys have?

29, have a worthless degree, and currently neet. Thought about teaching English abroad, but the job is shit, so why bother?

>>34957512
I'm this anon. >>34957333
>Teaching English

Ironically mate this is what I do. If your degree is in English or you have a PGCE/Masters of Education you can start making some serious bucks abroad. To be honest even if you just have a degree you can still do quite well for yourself.

>>34957512
I got into a grad program with the Federal government. The work in the department I'm currently in doesnt really get me up in the mornings (its still interesting though) but the good thing with government work is that once you're in you're in forever and its easy as fuck to move sideways into other departments. Also good pay and great working conditions.

>have a worthless degree
yeah same i have a polisci degree. If I didn't get into this program I'd be royally fucked. But one lucky job application and I'm set for life.

I want to start posting and selling music on YouTube and get a job

How do I get into making a mobile game? I have a few ideas for quick simple games

>>34957512
Yeah, I have a TEFL cert, and I thought I'd maybe do the whole travel the world thing.

Unfortunately I didn't get my shit toghether, and and have been drifting from min wage job to min wage job since I was 25.

I have some sort-of-recent tutoring experience, and I've taught swim lessons recently.

I dunno. I guess I should try to find those jobs and get at least a small return on my investment. LAst company I looked into was AEON in Japan. The pay isn't that great, but I figured teaching English in Japan would be less of a shock than probably just about anywhere else. No way do I want to teach in S. America (except maybe Chile) or Indonesia.

>>34957563
What agency do you work for? What kind of work do you do or what kind of skills do you utilize?

Are you in graduate school?

>>34957555
Yeah, I have a TEFL cert, and I thought I'd maybe do the whole travel the world thing.

Unfortunately I didn't get my shit toghether, and and have been drifting from min wage job to min wage job since I was 25.

I have some sort-of-recent tutoring experience, and I've taught swim lessons recently.

I dunno. I guess I should try to find those jobs and get at least a small return on my investment. LAst company I looked into was AEON in Japan. The pay isn't that great, but I figured teaching English in Japan would be less of a shock than probably just about anywhere else. No way do I want to teach places like S. America (except maybe Chile) or Indonesia.

>>34957714
I can't recommend Japan any less. The culture is fantastic but from a working point of view it is a nightmare. Expect 40-50 hour work weeks, sometimes 6 days a week, the pay isn't particularly competitive for those ours either.

Vietnam pays very well for 20 hour a week contracts, I can also recommend South Korea. If you do have home teaching qualifications go to the middle east (Oman etc), work for 5 years and you'll easily have enough to buy a good house back home.

>>34952770
Your parents sound like serious assholes.

I'm not saying that parents should just let their kids be NEET endlessly, but you were genuinely trying to make something of your life and your parents just intentionally tried to make thing harder for you and make you fail. It pisses me off that people like this have children and don't give a fuck if they're miserable or end up dead.

>>34957768
I've thought of S Korea, but the visa seems like a pain in the ass.

I feel like the culture shock in all these other countries would be too great. I guess Vietnam is pretty modern.

>>34946152
As long as she wasn't waiting for her boyfriend with you. But even if it doesn't get anywhere, congratulations, you're getting confident. Keep it up.

I lost 80 pounds by myself in few months, got out of depression and met a qt. I have a girlfriend now. I have a job. If I can put the rest of my life in order, things are looking up.

>>34957811
>visa

Its no that bad to be honest but I understand. I hate bureaucracy as well. As for Vietnam, it is very welcoming and the people are very friendly. I had no problems there and it is dirt cheap as well.

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I made it back. I'm full-time employed now since jan 1st. i still live with my mom (32yo), but i think i'll move out soon now that i can save up some serious money. i already started dating a female coworker and things are developing quite well. we didn't get intimate though, but we do stuff together all the time. i'm very anxious about messing things up so i'll let her make a move, i guess i'm fine being friends if things don't work, but there's definitely a connection.

all thanks to state financed apprenticeship, which got me the qualification for the job. i'm still a robot, though, am i? still a virgin and no gf (kissed a girl once and grabbed her by the pussy, but nothing more, and only once)

>>34946027
Im pretty sure they know this and it's why the system is set up as such. I've been neet for literally years... you can really see how the work system is designed. You have the time as a neet to ask questions to yourself and figure it out because you aren't busy... you realize how it all works. Why do people get up every day and go in their cars for 8 hours? Isn't there a better way?

You realize this and you can't go back.

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What to do if you're 23 with no work experience and no degree?

>>34936159
I beat the NEET life. It took a long time but here's how I did it:

2006: volunteered at a food bank twice a week to get used to being around people.
2007: part-time job stocking shelves at Toys R Us
2008: part-time job at a video rental store. This was stressful as fuck because I had to actually learn to talk to people regularly.
2009: went to full-time at same job
2010: video store shut down. Got hired at RadioShack
2011-2013: put myself through community college while still working at RadioShack. Joined anime club, got laid.
2015: graduated, got a full-time helpdesk job (got a qt gf that I met in anime club)
2016: promoted to senior helpdesk tech because I'm a huge fucking nerd that can fix anything. (gf dumped me)
2017: bought an apartment complex, bringing in rental income

I'm still awkward as fuck and retreat to my computer at every available opportunity, but I'm making a lot of money and subsequently dating is easy. I have a small group of friends and we play Dungeons & Dragons every Sunday. Overall it's pretty nice. Good luck guys.

>>34957917
Do an internship/learn a trade or go back to education. That's really it.

>>34936159
>Question of the day: What's the comfiest thing about being a NEET that makes it harder to get back out into the real world?

100% sleep. I always struggled with it when I had a job, and it's the hardest thing for many normies too.

You gotta get up at the same time everyday and can't sleep in. It fucks with the body clock. As a neet you just have the freedom to sleep and nap when you want. If you sleep a few hours in the afternoon as a normie, it means you can't go to bed that night at the right time.

It's all fucked up... sleep is so important. As a neet you get that. You can just lie down and nap with the sunshine slightly through the windows, as you drift to sleep fantasizing about muh waifu. No worrying about getting up at the right time. I actually find it the hardest thing when I had to work... just getting up at a particular time.

You fags need to stop acting like the only option if you're a NEET is to sit around on your computer all day doing nothing. This is fucking moronic. There's more to life than working and browsing 4chan. There are other options.

>>34958081
Everything else costs money.

I realize I'm not cut out to be a wage slave but I'd also like to have some money and some pride so I thought about my options and have decided to try and become a professional fighter. I've literally never even been in a fight, but whatever. You've got to pick some goal in life. At least fights are fair competition, unlike literally everything else in life and social skills don't matter, unlike everything else in life.

>>34940730
I'm recovering. I have lost 105 pounds and got a fiance. It's hard to keep trying but i keep on going

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So guys I don't know how I got myself into this mess, but I did.

A few mothns ago the whole interpals thing was popular, so I bit the bullet and made an account (I was very paranoid irl people might recognize me and shit). Anyways, I got talking to this Indonesian girl on whatsapp, we don't have a lot in comom but at least I can practice talking and stuff.

Since last week she wanted to videocall, I'm an actual (self-diagnosed) autist and fucking hate calling, I dread it. I Hate skyping as well because I find it embarrassing how my family can hear me talking to a computer. Anyways I can't say no for some reason, so now she will randomly call me, 50% of the time I make up some bullshit excuse, and the other times I'm "forced" to answer... it would (maybe) be easier if the call was one on one, but no, she is literally with her entire girl only dorm in front of the camera, I'm so fucking awkward.

At this point I'm just ranting but yeah...

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On and off NEET/Blackbot manlet for here: Best thing I can tell you is to have a dream. Mine was to move to Japan. I studied coding and Nipponese for a year. Went to a party with Japanese and rich white kids. These people have traveled there for years, fucked dumb Jap girls, are "investors". I went there and BTFO of all of them with my speaking ability alone. It only reconfirmed that normies aren't shit, that we robots are the true chosen ones.

Basically, never give up on your dreams. That's why you're all NEETs now.

>>34939009
I know that feel anon so much. One super useful thing is to name five things you can see, four things you can hear, three things you can smell, two things you can touch and one thing you can taste.

Another thing that I like to do is take an object, any object and really focus on it, like a glass. I'll stare at it for a while, and really try to notice it's subtle features. Then I make noises with it. Flick it, tap it with your finger, put it down on hard surface. Really focus on the noises. Then I really try to feel it. Manipulate it around in your hands, stroke it, push it, grip it hard, let it balance in your hands.

100% this will help you in any given situation.

Also go for a walk in the wilderness at night. It activates primal instincts in your brain and focuses all of your attention on what is around you, and makes you feel alive for a bit. This one is harder to build up the motivation to do but is the most useful.

You won't read this, but hopefully this will help other anons out there.

>>34958460
Why have I literally never heard about someone going to Japan and failing to get laid? Literally every story includes japanese qts who are hungry for foreign cock. Is this just a meme or is it really true?

>>34958798
\The best place to get laid by korean/Jap women is the island of Boracay. For whatever reason they flock there with the exclusive purpose of having sex with a foreigner.

>>34958460
DO NOT go to work in japan, DONT DO IT. You'll be isolated and be a literal slave dancing monkey english teacher, or work in a video game localization farm for 1000 yen/hour 12 hours/day.

Just go on holiday, or go to work for 1 year. Don't plan your whole life around moving there.

>>34958798
If you struggle to get laid in your home country, you'll struggle in japan. Especially if you're in tokyo, the chads have already invaded.

Especially if you're not white and a manlet like the poster above, blond hair, blue eyes and white skin alone will get you laid in nipland.

>>34958837
Neat. I'll keep this in mind in case I ever have enough money for a vacation (which is not looking too likely at this point)

>>34958334
>she is literally with her entire girl only dorm in front of the camera

I have extreme anxiety when it comes to phone calls or voice chats, actually less so when it comes to video, but I have trouble speaking. Still, I've made exceptions in the past when it involved girls because somehow that motivates me to get past the anxiety. That said, I could not handle it if she had other people there who could hear/see me. That's just really weird man.

It's been a while since i've browsed this board and I know nobody gives a fuck but i'm bored so i'm gonna tell you what I've been up to. So after being an antisocial autistic neet all my life suddenly this amazing girl came into my life, she's beautiful (at least a 8/10 for most people), funny, intelligent, caring and is just perfect for me. For reasons still unknown to me she approached me and we started talking, talking a lot. We became very close, we would talk on the phone or text for hours everyday. I've never been good at conversation, not even at small talk but with her it was different, there were no awkward silences, and even when we didn't talk it didn't feel awkward. It felt like we had everything in common and soon she told me I was her best friend. But I wanted more, so after 2 years and after knowing another guy had asked her out, i finally confessed my feelings for her. Probably the most difficult thing i've ever done, I was afraid of ruining everything and losing her, but I was wrong. She told me she was interested too and agreed to give it a go, the first few months were amazing, probably the best period of my life... But then something happened...

>>34959472
She started to have doubts and told me she didn't love me as much as i do, it broke my heart, it felt like i had been tricked by life once again and fell once again into a deep depression. We've been together for 9 months now, and gone through a couple breakups since then. She's just not the same, she cares about me, i know, but she's becoming distant and is losing interest. It's not that easy to talk to her anymore and we don't even text and see each other as much. I still love her but I'm losing her and it feels like there's nothing I can do about it. She's giving us one last chance but she said we're too similar and she wants someone with a stronger personality... I'm trying to change, I really am, but deep down I know there's nothing i can do about it. I'm just an autistic beta as fuck idiot and she's perfect and deserves better. I really don't know what to do anymore, I miss the way we were and really don't want to lose her, I feel like she's everything good this life ever gave me. I don't think I will be able to cope with losing her, cause i know I will never find anyone like her. In the end my advice is if you're an outcast there's probably a reason, so if you think you haven't got what it takes you probably don't so stay away from society and what most people consider a "normal life". Sometimes it may trick you by giving something good and a chance to have something good and finally be happy, but it will hurt a lot more when it comes at your door to take it back, and trust me it will, so my advice is to stay away from that.
also sorry for my bad english

>>34958841
How is that any different from being a wageslave anywhere else? At least I'll have easy access to maid cafes and high school girl dating services.

>>34936159
I like my chances of becoming a NEET.
I'm 19 and in my last year of highschool, although I'll definitely have to repeat. I have pretty permissive parents who, despite showing concern for my grades and my future, rarely do much about it. I have no goals and expect nothing of life. I have found out I obtain no happiness out of anything other than lying around, watching cartoons, Youtube videos, reading on those cartoons, playing vidya, etc. Work makes me insanely unhappy. I am a failure both on a physical and mental plane.
How can I settle myself as a proper NEET?

>pushing 25

>Went to uni

>was neet, got sick of life, in my room.

>Applied for a job at Apple

>Got accepted

>Moving abroad

>Manager wage pay

>Got accepted for postgraduate at uni in July, too.

I've got 2 choices, work my way up the company at Apple with mememachines or finish a postgraduate in History.
>Don't know if I want to be a history teacher though.

>>34945911
I can't do anything well or get any satisfaction out of everything because I want to quit as soon as its gets hard and that always happens pretty soon because I'm a massive fuck up.

>>34958841
I've been Japan.

Don;t go unless you have a decent career in something like Legal/finance or you will end up a English teacher in a shitty tiny condo, getting abuse from jap parents for not teaching their children proper English and how you should end your life.

I worked in Tokyo in banking after Univeristy.


I got laid with Jap qt's
I'm not into the whole schoolgirl thing, though, I like my women adults, in office uniforms.

>Since Jap men aren't interested in in having children, most of the women will happily settle for a westerner. Even the parents are releasing this and are risking not becoming a grandparent.

Don't believe the shit you hear on r9k, most people here haven't been to Japan.

>>34936159
The comfiest thing is simply being able to sleep whenever you like and not having to adhere to a sleeping pattern or get up to an alarm clock

>>34958460
like my friend nigger ; talke big get nothing

>>34951832

You'll make it, good anon

>>34952179
Let me guess, you're white and you met an asian qt.

sigh... same old.

>>34958841
>Since Jap men aren't interested in in having children, most of the women will happily settle for a westerner.

the women are driving that more than the men dipshit

>poor NEET
>literally own 1 pair of jeans 1 sweat pants 1 sweat shirt and 1 boxers
>parents won't give me money to buy even one more outfit to look for a job
>Can't get a job or keep one with such a limited wardrobe

I'm ready to be a wage slave, I just need clothes.

>>34959472
>>34959494
take this to adv

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>>34951832
>>34952179
>also a poor neet skeleton
>also never leave the house
>also met girl on interpals
>also seemed robot, was very avpd, never left her house, only played vidya and got drunk
>also planned holiday with her
>that holiday was last week
>it went poorly due to how much of a fucking retard i am in social situations (I think, anyways)
>she's now ghosting me entirely, never gave me an explanation
>even after telling me she really liked me during that week
>and I had my first kiss
>cried myself to sleep for 4 days after I got back

since you're clearly me and since I have a chance to change my past - don't
seriously though the similarities are kinda crazy. I live off raspberry toast and water at this point, too. 4 pieces of toast a day, that's it

Are there any robots on this board who are/were extremely avoidant and made it out of neetdom? Seems like most success stories are people who weren't exactly chads but they at least had some sort of social life.

>>34959536
are you going to inherit a bunch of money from your parents?
can you get neetbux?
are you attractive?
are you ok at crime/morally flexible?
if the answer to all of those is no (given that we know you don't have any special, marketable skills...)
I'm afraid you aren't going to like what you find out.

>>34961064
>are you going to inherit a bunch of money from your parents?
My family is pretty financially stable. We're not rich by any means, but we can afford a comfortable lifestyle.
My relationship with my parents is pretty good, partly because guilt I try to be as nice as possible to compensate them for having such a shitty son.
>can you get neetbux?
I'm not quite familiar with this, since I'm not American. But yeah, in my country you can get 500 a month for not working if you prove you've been trying to apply for a job. I could apply for jobs that are WAY out of my league so it shows I'm trying but without the risk of ever getting hired.
>are you attractive?
I'd say I range from a 5 to an extremely low 7. My body is better than my face, that's for dammed sure.
>are you ok at crime/morally flexible?
I don't think much of morality so I'm willing to screw people over if it means I can get my way. I'd rather not, but if it's between me and them I'll always choose me.

Can we keep this thread going yet another day

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Well you guys just made this
Discord for discuss the recovery plans, successes, failures, experiences, more failures, and endgames of Life or NEET life.

https://discord.gg/awsqXqu

Just created the server any recommendations would be helpful

Join fellow Neets recovery Neets

>>34936159
>Got a part time job
>Started lifting again
>Started a new healthy diet
>Started sleeping normie hours again

>Question of the day: What's the comfiest thing about being a NEET that makes it harder to get back out into the real world?

The no pressure, careless lifestyle of waking up whatever time you want and spending all day/night in bed gaming and browsing 4Chins

>>34962314
If this proves to be a comfy recovery environment, I shall feature it in the next thread

Okay so since we're all posting shit, I may aswell add in my two cents.
Green tea, drink it.
Regular exercise as others have mentioned
drink enough water, your piss should not constantly be yellow.
Make strides to make yourself feel comfortable, book for a contact lens appointment, buy nice clothes, get a haircut, deodorant
Have a regular sleep pattern if you can manage it, also install flux.
Have people you can look up to; for me 'Real social dynamics' was the answer but anything will do
Stop watching shit news, if you have money order the 'new scientist' mag and install good news network onto your phone.
Don't rely on others to cook you food, wash your clothes, etc take charge.
Take a multivitamin, I personally like 'veg1' by the vegan society(not vegan) because it's chewable
If you have acne consider changing your pillowcases every night or use old tshirts you don't use
Have some shit to eat each morning, I suffer from this myself. Just find something you like to eat and have it daily
Again, something I don't do but is probably good advice, join clubs and whatever else you can find.

my new job starts in 44 mins im scared

I've been going to the gym every day. Yesterday was leg day, today is upper body day. It's a warm day, +10 degrees c. I think after my workout I'm going to roll a big joint and go for a hike.

>>34962736
Nice, doing what? I start training next week for a Security position in a hospital, I'm breddy excited