Alright let's settle this

>>34740810
It's partial placebo but placebo can be very powerful.

>>34740810
it's actually healthy for you to cum daily or least several times a week

fap and eat cum > no fap > fap and discard cum

precious bodily fluids and all that

>>34740810
There is zero evidence that it actually works. There is some convoluted association that nofap faggots make between t levels and masturbation frequency and that somehow influences your desire for sex, but that flies out the fucking window when you consider the fact that ejaculation is ejaculation to your body. No fap seems like a good way to develop a chastity fetish though, if that's what you want.

It's really the porn that fucks most people up - not wanking by itself. It's classical conditioning at its simplest. Eventually robot-types that masturbate incessantly, using pornography every time, begin to have difficulty eliciting a strong sexual response from themselves without it.
There's also the problem of content escalation - that is, the seeking out of what one considers to be increasingly erotic material to masturbate to. Eventually vanilla pornography doesn't cut it, let alone your average plain Jane woman in real life.
Constantly being sexually exhausted from masturbating incessantly AND being desensitized to regular women from content escalation AND always associating your sexual responses with the viewing of pornography has left a lot of young men in a shitty situation. It's also self-perpetuating when men find out that they've rendered themselves incapable of making love to an actual woman, because the only thing they can turn to for sexual gratification at that point is the root of the original problem: pormography. That's why NOFAP is a phenomenon.

sorry for formatting/errors, posted on phone

>>34740990

alright but what about it helping with premature ejaculation, to be honest that's the main thing I care about

Porn is fucking poison to a virgin's mind & is the reason for Hikkomoris existing.
Ever notice how they weren't really a thing until the internet?
Fuck porn.

>>34741057
thanks for the elaborate response. I understand the problems of too much porn, and have already tried to use my imagination more and more. But there's still the issue of premature ejaculation tho
I don't want to be with a women for the first time and cum in 5 seconds. How do I solve this?
No fap really seems like the only possible, even if vague solution

>>34741168

I can't find the graph off-hand, but it's been demonstrated that ejaculation time is directly correlated to novelty in sexual partners. That is, the first sexual encounter with a new partner will resolve very quickly, and begin to take increasingly longer with each subsequent encounter with that same partner.
The point I'm getting at is that if you get into a stable relationship with someone, your ejaculation time will regulate itself and lengthen in short order.
If it's just roasty whores you're spunking in after only a minute or two, and not a stable partner, who gives a shit?

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>>34741281
holy shit thanks. That actually made me feel way better about what I thought was a real issue.
Now all I have to worry about is my small penis

Also I can go back to jerking off again without feeling bad afterwards

>>34740810

As has been said countless times before: no fap and no porn are being confused between each other.
Fapping without the aid of masturbation is fine and healthy because you can only really do it when you are legitamtely horny.
Porn has mental side effects that may be harmful. It's totally subjective: someone with an addictive personality could suffer greatly due to porn, where others can watch porn daily and go on as usual.

>>34740919
>>34741392

This is also not true btw, the myth about masturbating regularly decreasing prostate cancer risk. Regular masturbation has been shown to decrease the risk of prostate cancer in men OVER THE AGE OF FIFTY. Regular masturbation actually INCREASES the risk of young men developing prostate cancer.

About a year or two ago I started doing some autistic thing while fapping where I hold my breath after I'm fully erect, and hold it and finally exhale once I start to cum.


Now that I've been doing it so long I can hold my breath for like two minutes+ before I finish. But I've noticed this has actually made it harder for me to get off without holding my breath. I know "erotic asphyxiation" is a thing but the stuff I read on it people use belts and shit for that. But my orgasm definitely is stronger when I do hold my breath.

When I occasionally do finish off without holding my breath I always feel disappointed and feel like I wasted my time. I'm always looking at something while getting off, be it porn, 2D girls, or pics of girls from my high school years. Maybe like once a month I'll jack off in bed with no assistance from anything but god damn does it feel like a lot of fucking work.

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>body has to work to create precious sexual fluids
>with fapping you expel those fluids
>body has to use energy and resources to replenish those fluids
>this results in someone being generally more tired after fapping, contributing to the feeling of being exhausted
>no-fap prevents this extra contribution of exhaustion to the body
>the are still people who claim it doesn't work
just logic there tbqh with you.
even if there is no evidence linked to increased testosterone levels, it still helps, so no it's not really a meme.

>>34741549
>Regular masturbation actually INCREASES the risk of young men developing prostate cancer.
does it actually?
heard something about it, but wasn't really sure.
have a source? a reliable one?

it's a meme because you faggots are turning it into a cult
it reeks of AA faggotry and nobody wants that shit shoved down their throats.
if you want to do it fine, I'm just sick of retards coming on and whining and crying about all of the fuck pornography.
you can always go to facebook if you don't like but you queers never do because you don't get to share your edgy 13 year old opinions without getting banned.
you /pol/ faggots always fail to realize that everything in life is a double edged sword
if you dont want to be tempted by porn then GET OFF OF THE FUCKING INTERNET
not hard

>>34741925
This is a great example of what's happening to most people with pornography, although this is an extreme case. You strongly developed an association between holding your breath and sexual release, and now the latter is more difficult to achieve and less enjoyable by itself.
Replace breath-holding with just pornography by itself, and factor in the fact that erection strength is correlated to how aroused the person is, and the fact that a strong erection is required for vaginal intercourse, and BOOM you've got a pretty fucking terrible problem on your hands.

>>34742130
I'm not well-versed on what constitutes reliability in sources, but here's one source I've found that comes to this conclusion:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1464-410X.2008.08030.x/abstract

>>34741057
Except there's plenty of cases where people go back to vanilla stuff after the more extreme stuff. It's not the extremity that excites people, it's the novelty and uniqueness. If I had to guess a reason, it's because of an evolutionary behavior for men to seek variety to have a better chance of their offspring surviving.

Of course, neither you nor I have done any research about this and we're merely citing our everyday observations. It's pointless to make generalizing statements that way.

>>34742455

I'd argue that in the pursuit of novelty and uniqueness and given enough time, people will inevitably be forced to broaden their horizons to less "normal" content. I'm convinced that this is why nearly everyone on 4chan seems to be obsessed with one niche fetish or another.
How many trap and sissy threads do we get on /r9k/? How many furries, scalies, and lolicons make quickly populated threads on /b/? 4chan is filled to the brim with the exact type of person that would develop a habitual masturbation problem and weird fetishes are abundant, so much so that they're often the topic of discussions in threads.

I'm aware that this is all conjecture, but I still think my points are valid.