What is this Chad surgery called? TELL ME NOW!!!!!

>>34689421
At least 3 operations here senpai

it's called Chad surgery, surgery meant to turn you into a Chad. just go to your local clinic and ask them for the Chad surgery

>>34689421
jaq surgery to correct an overbite, google nicole337 before and after

>>34689421
braces + jaw surgery + nose job + good genetics and puberty

>>34689421
lt's extremely painful.

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>tfw parents never got me braces

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>>34689508
>tfw never needed braces

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ILL NEVER BE ABLE TO AFFORD ALL THIS SHIT I DONT HAVE RICH PARENTS FUCKK

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imagine waking up as a chad a day after a happy jewish doc puts you to sleep

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>tfw have to buy a chin at the local clinic

>>34689763
Some of the worst medical care I've ever gotten was from Jews.

>>34690049
help me HELP mE please how do i get money for surgery please i have a small penis i cant take it i need to compensate >:^(

>>34690448
First step is to get a job. Any job. Move back in with your parents and threaten to kill yourself if they try to make you pay rent. Save your money.

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People thinks that healthy smile and proper occlusion is only about aesthetic.

They are wrong.

Your head-jaw-neck posture is connected. One can not be aesthetic without another, its connected.

If you look at pic of aesthetic people, look at their posture, you will not find forward head, usually its some chinlet neckbeard with fucked up posture.

Improper occlusion may fuck up your face structure development during puberty and you are going to be eternal ugly, what more, improper occlusion may cause jaw pain and muscle tension which may cause migraine pains and headaches.

Overbite + chinletism + jew like nose broken in half + slope forhead, its all connected senpaitachi.

Pic related.

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>>34690493
Here is pic of white female with proper aesthetic face profile

>>34689421
I have a fairly big overbite myself. some have found it cute, others haven't

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>>34690484
did it work for you please answer NOW
thanks anon i will
im already with my parents its so hard to get a job and mostly keep it
i will start cutting myself and self mutilating

>>34689421
he got maxillary madibular advancement, genioplasty and a rhinoplasty

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>>34690493
can you explain niggers for me

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>>34690658
WHat do you want to know famalamo

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>>34690756
here are some examples, take a pic ayyy

>>34690484
ANSWER MEE

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>>34690773
Why are white people so perfect?

They translate to sculpture in a way that other races simply cannot.

>>34690858
>Different people from different places have different structures

How new are you all

>>34690858
that statue is of an arab my man

>>34689421
It's like that one episode from sponge bob where they smacked squid ward in the face over and over again

>>34690922
yes
i would elave this place forever

>>34690858
lol his nipples are cubes

>>34691260
they are very erect
you just reminded me that my nipples are inverted now im sad

>>34689481
my whole existence in its current state is painful, it cant be that bad.

>>34691287
my nipples are very soft and protruding like a womans

>>34690858
>tfw I have almost the exact same face complex as this statue

Not even kidding this is freaky, thebobly difference is the hair, mine looks better. Is this statue attractive? Been lifting for almost a year now and almost got the same muscle insertions as him, just less mass and my serratus antertior isn't nearly half as good as his.

>>34690493
>tfw mandibular prognathism
JUST
HUEHUEHUEHUE
MY
SHIT
UP

>>34689421
and how much does it cost?

>>34691720
30 000$
PAY UP GOY

>>34691720
You should also ask how long are you going to it food with a straw after operations and how big are chances that they will damage nerve endings in your jaw.

>>34692181
are jaw nerve endings important?

>>34692257
yeah, nerve endings that are in your jaw are responsible for feeling your cheek

There is a chance that nerve ending will heal it self to 20% or 50% or 100% after 1 or 2 years but you may also end with lack of feel in your cheek for lifetime

>>34692659
no tis not important to feel ur chin
faggot

>>34692817
Are you aware that you will touch your cheek with finger or with razor during shaving and you will feel nothing, like poking empy space.

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>>34690493
It's not fair senpai! I only started mouth breathing because I had a stuffed nose. I was innocent.

>>34692923
yes so what im ugly :^(

>>34689471
puberty looks like the biggest factor here alongside braces

>>34689421

chadplasty

>>34689421
what happens when I wants to have kids and they turn out like ugly little fucks?

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>>34692944
>crooked nostrils so I can't breathe well
>no one told me that it was going to JUST me up for life

>>34693269
*he not I

>>34693236
Braces push everything back, so he wouldn't get better looking from that; he'd get worse looking. The only reason he needed those surgeries in the first place is because his tongue posture was poor, so his jaws and teeth grew incorrectly.

What he looks like in the bottom row is pretty much the peak of his potential looks like and how he would've looked naturally if his tongue was on the roof of his mouth guiding his jaws to grow properly. All this surgery does is position them where they should've been, though in a very violent and painful way.

Everyone is supposed to have a facial structure similar to this, but few people do because few people developed properly.

>>34693269
How he looks at the end is the peak of his genetics; he's not caked in makeup nor is his face full of implants. Looking good is all about jaw development.

>>34693269
ugly people make the cutest babies

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>>34693377
LMAO, its not true

oregan

>>34693315
>that one retard in these threads that thinks tongue posture will magically fix subhumanity

lmao,

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>never got braces as a kid
>now have a 100% overbite
JUST

>>34693817
It would if you were doing it your whole life, dingus

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>>34694607
>have a correct bite
>still no chin

JUST

>>34694718
actually you need to chew jerkies and very hard food

>>34693275
u could get insurance to cover surgery if you have problem with eating or breathing

(rhinoplasty, genioplasty)

ur luc

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I need braces senpai

>>34694934
I've been chewing really tough gum for almost 9 months or so and it's making my jaw more square, but that'll take a lot more time to see great results.

I don't know if the tough food thing is really true, because I doubt every jock in the western world was fed nothing but sourdough and steak. Some people guess that proper head posture is the main factor just because of gravity's force on the mandible, but I think it's all pretty much just guessing.

>>34694840
Fuck, me too
At least it's easy to fix with a single surgery

>>34689421
A-are we gonna make it brehs??

>>34695019
homer simpson lookin ass nigga

>>34694840
CHIN MY SHIT UP FAMALINO

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>tfw u look fine from front but shit from the side profile cause of weak chin

>>34695214
DUDE KEEP YOUR CHIN UP :^)

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>>34695098
>mfw I was actually called Bart Simpson and Ferb in school
feelsbad

>>34690580
I assume you are a burger correct?
Do you have a drivers license?
Start taking oil industry safety courses, get your first aid license, H2S Alive, Ground disturbance, etc.
Keystone is getting approved, if you can get a job on the pipeline you will easily afford all the surgery you want.

>>34695569
i live in a 3rd world shithole its hard to afford any surgery here

>>34689421
"puberty"

d

>>34695689
im canacuck

>>34695689
ill never get a job i have 0 experience

>>34695689
yes i am a burger heehehhe

>>34695381
I know this feel all too well

oregano

>>34689508
have fun wearing your retainer for life

>>34690448
stop living the degenerate life

get some testosterone

ez pensi grow

>>34689421
this makes me REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE soh ard

>>34691546
I doubt you look like that statue. But if you did, you would have drowned in pussy already.

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>>34689547
i know that feel bro. both my brothers had to wear braces but i was blessed with near perfect teeth. (they're a bit smaller than average though)

>>34693315
>everyone is supposed to be chads
really though
>tfw your parents told you it was ok to mouth breathe
fuck

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>>34695381
textless posts with low content are not allowed

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>tfw just noticed that I'm asymmetrical

>>34697270
Everyone's face is supposed to grow like his - wide eyes, cheekbones, small nose, forward jaws. Only 5% or less do though because "coincidentally" at least 95% of people have an incorrect swallow.

I don't know why instead of looking into it more, most people's response is to defend their own predestination to being ugly.

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>>34695381
>tfw u never look fine because of large chin
All the years of being compared to the Crimson Chin and Jay Leno really fucked me up senpai

>>34689441
Give me the Chad, doctor.

Anyone else can't bite their upper lip? If I strain I can sort of place my lower teeth halfway past the lips, but no further. I have a really gummy smile and overbite, could this surgery help?

>>34697350
>I don't know why instead of looking into it more, most people's response is to defend their own predestination to being ugly.
ok but how are you supposed to fix it if youre not rich

>>34697430
Fix your tongue posture and swallow and chew tough gum (mastic gum). Look up Mike Mew for more details. I've seen people on here just refer to it as "broscience" because they can't be bothered to do it for themselves.

Since your bones aren't growing anymore, it's a long term change because the bone gradually morphs from strong muscles, but I've seen good progress in the past 9 months.

Mike Mew keeps looking into new headgear and stuff like that that can give more dramatic results, so maybe a new method will come about soon, but other than that, you can just keep applying the stuff that's already out there.

>>34697484
how do you fix your swallow? and headgear? what kind of shit is that, i don't uhh want a special needs helmet or anything

braces effect jaws?

>tfw braces at 28

>implying surgery can make you Chad

Being Chad is a choice, nothing more. No surgery will fix your whiny desperation.

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>>34697500
I mentioned to look up Mike because I imagine you'd get a better understanding from his video than my text explanation, but basically you get the necessary suction by putting your tongue on the roof of your mouth instead of using your cheeks. You can tell you're doing it wrong if your face moves when you swallow. When you stop using the cheek muscle to swallow, it withers up and becomes hollow - I'll post a pic of my cheeks. They only really show up in low light and one of my cheeks has more fat on it for some reason, so it's asymmetrical, but you can still tell it's hollow.

The headgear would be a contraption on your head that would put force up and forwards on your upper jaw, but headgear that does a great job at that doesn't exist yet.

>>34697350
not the guy you replied to but it basically comes down to keeping your tongue, specifically the back of your tongue, on the roof of the mouth. doing so will supposedly develop the muscles that keep your throat from hanging and giving you that no chin look. i don't know if it works though. I've yet to see pics of the Mike mew guy before and after.

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>tfw I got a beard and now nobody can tell
Why pay some jew?

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>>34697639
I always gag when I try and lift the posterior tongue up, so I don't bother. The no chin look comes from having a mandible that didn't grow forwards, though sometimes it seems like those people actually lack bone length in general.

Anyways, I'm the guy who just posted a pic - here's what that part of my face looked like before, just so you know I'm not faking.

>>34689763
>>34689892
Doing this shit is female-tier. Just own being an ugly fuck. That's what I think.

>>34697697
>muh vanity
t. socrates

>>34697697

Fuck off. Women cheat with everything. Makeup, hymen reconstruction, labiaplasty, ass implants, tit implants, botox. EVERYTHING.

>b-but you are a m-man!

Yeah, then be like eggman for the rest of your life.

>>34697623

yeah but I'd get away with it better if I was hot

>>34697749
Vanity is a hedonistic waste of time, the only reason you should want to look good is to reproduce, but if you reproduce because your shit tier genetics are being masked through jewish surgical tricks, all you're doing is creating more suffering for the next generation.
>>34697758
I will proudly be an ugly fuck until the day I die because I'm not an estrogen-filled sissy boy who wants to run from his problems through physical augmentation. Unless you are legitimately deformed, there's no reason for it. Quit being a bitch.

>>34697779
I'll surely quit being a bitch once my surgery is done. But I doubt you'll quit being a virgin.

>>34697683
do you have any side shots?

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>>34697803
You will forever be a mentally weak faggot, unless you're able to pay some jew $30k to permanently alter your brain chemistry as well.

>>34697779
Aesthetics is value in and of itself, do you want to live in a ugly house with an ugly wife in an ugly landscape listening to bad music? Same with being personally ugly. And most people aren't ugly because they have poor genetics, they're ugly because hormonal imbalances, bad habits, infections, etc screwing up their development in youth.

>>34697866
I do on my other computer, but they're not worth posting because they really don't look much different. The 2 photos I posted do show how the mandible is becoming a lot more square/defined than before, though. The pic with the results in it is almost 2 months old, so I imagine they may be better now. I'll get the webcam and see.

>>34689421
Rhino and Dental surgery. The rest is just chewing gum and low body fat.

Seriously, if you want to do it, go for it. It's not that expensive anymore.

>>34689421
I had this type of jaw surgery done when I was younger and was left with the chin area permanently numb because of nerve damage. Also all facial hair in that area grows pure white. Ended up costing my parents around 25k and was bedridden and sucking out of a straw for 3 weeks. But the real kicker is the whole thing rebounded back like 80% within a year back to my original overbite

>>34689481
For you

oreganoorlando

>>34697962
>Also all facial hair in that area grows pure white.
cool desu

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>>34697905
This webcam is crap; every shot looked different, so I guess you'll have to judge for yourself

>>34698073
im not seeing any difference between this and the first one

>>34697639
>>34697683
so, wait
ive noticed when im coughing for example, some skin comes down from behind my chin and makes it look like its disappeared, but when i'm done coughing i look fine. are you saying theres a way to minimize that? please please tell me in detail

>>34697874
This. I am contemplating this surgery for the aesthetic value of it. There is no reason not to improve your quality of life and having an appearance worth carving in stone apart from the price.

>>34697770
You'd be a hot whiny desperate autist. Meaning still a virgin.

>>34698160
I'm forcing myself to cough to try and get what you mean, but I don't understand.

>>34698198
not really. its so easy getting laid when youre attractive. personality doesnt matter

after my surgeries i get laid without even trying. its like night and day

>>34698217
well for me, it's when your throat tightens up under the chin when youre about to cough or burp. my chin rounds out and sinks into itself until i close my mouth to which it looks normal again

>>34698217
tightening up the top of my throat under my chin causes it puff out and create a kind of double chin under my actual chin until i relax my throat again

>>34698240
I think I get what you mean. I also do a lot of head nodding and neck situps (laying across the bed; just lift your head) and it tones that area quite a bit. Despite the difference in lighting, maybe you can tell that my chin/neck area is a lot more solid between the 2 pictures, so there's less fat there too - maybe what I do would help you.

>>34697639
>>34698217
>throat from hanging
this is what i'm trying to describe, my throat hangs upon actions like that
>>34698278
yeah, i definitely need to trim some neck fat too. i'm unforunately kind of autistic and it shard for me to do things without like a good presentation of it. did you do any specific exercises or anything you could share a source with? ty regardless

>>34697639
> keeping your tongue, specifically the back of your tongue, on the roof of the mouth
is there like um a 'guide' on how to achieve this

>>34698093
That's because mewing is a meme and it only makes you look marginally better and helps you swallow and breathe better.

>>34698331
this is how he looks like though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aFcL0Pra64

>>34698331
I think he's comparing the first pic with the third pic; there's obviously a difference between the first two. However, yeah I agree that mewing isn't the end all cure, but that and the gum chewing is pretty much all that can be done until something else comes along.

when i naturally let my mouth hang, my teeth dont line up exactly cus of an overbite and look like the left pic. but when i bring my chin forward a bit counsiously, to touch my teeth together, my face looks more like the right one.

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>>34698396
shit pic didnt post

>>34697632
where your lips at my man

>>34698465
Haha, they definitely exist, it's just the webcam always makes me look like I'm sucking on a lemon.

>>34698229
Liar. There are attractive khv robots. To get laid you need to be charming and confident. Looks matter little.

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>>34697697
>>34697779

why would you choose to have a bad life when you can pay a sum of money to have a good life? i just don't understand. no one will know that you've had surgery except people you knew prior, and if you're on this board that means nobody.

Kek. Im training to become an Oral Maxillofacial surgeon at the moment - rather interesting that this thread would pop up on r9k.

In regards to your question OP, its called orthognathic or bimaxillary surgery, is a long process involving up to 2 years of pre-surgery braces and a lifetime of retainers post-surgery.
Any questions feel free to ask.

>>34698729
how much does it cost and can it actually make you a chad?

>>34698782
Here in Aus if your jaw discrepancy (lower vs upper) is significant enough its free through the public system. Otherwise ~$1X,XXX but that ranges substantially depending if you need only 1 jaw, 2 jaws, chin reduction (genioplasty) etc.

>>34692659
I had chin surgery to much my chin forward. Have very minor nerve damage. Tip of my bottom lip is numb and some of my bottom gums below my bottom teeth are numb, almost never notice exept for when I think about it.

>>34697395
Own that shit. Grow a big fucking goatee.

>>34697666
I'm doing the same thing. Beard is just a little longer on the chin. Not long enough for anyone to notice it's longer but just enough to make my chin look a bit stronger

>>34690493
I'm 19. Can I be saved if I fix my neck posture?

>>34697024
A minor inconvenience in comparison to having teeth protruding from the side of my face.

>>34697632
So the goal is to atrophy your cheek muscles? How is that good?

>>34693275
>decide to open mouth
>get cucked with multiple illnesses

This is the world we live in, if there is a god, he really doesn't like mouth breathers

I've been a mouth breather all my childhood and my head is a bit forward, but my jaw and chin are pretty ok. Its my fucking cheekbones, jew nose and small eyes that makes me JUST.

so is overbite fixable? i feel like having a little bit of overbite isnt as bad as acutally having a short chin, or the opposite of overbite.

>>34698729
>2 years of pre-surgery braces and a lifetime of retainers post-surgery
so its a lengthy, not worth it, potentially temporary procedure unless you have big bucks and according to another anons post here the results can fade away in time back to your previous overbite?

>>34698829
So youre forced to become Chad in Australia ?

>>34694840
at what age you had bracers?

oreganolol

>>34697779
LMAO


http://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/3043406/mobius_beauty.pdf?s..

>Experiments have shown that we consider attractive people "as more sociable, dominant, sexually warm, mentally healthy, intelligent, and socially skilled" than unattractive people.

>By the time cute kids become attractive adults, they've benefited from this bias for years, giving them higher levels of confidence.

>It's a "self-fulfilling prophecy,"

>tfw braces+nosejob in a week
>tfw will just look like a cucklord with surgery instead of the chad surgery guy

>>34698505
If women want to fuck you, its really hard to discourage her, you can even say fuck off to her and she will be back in few minutes, but we are talking ehre about aesthetic people, not 5/10.

Personality means shit when it comes to sex, because her choice is purely based on your looks.

People who post their pic here are not good looking, they are 5/10 at best, there was not a single aesthetic person here.

>>34701752
>Personality means shit when it comes to sex

You don't really believe this, do you?

>>34701769
>You don't really believe this, do you?

Are you aware that women have sex with random people after night at club?
Their choice is based on physical appearance of male.

Its not uncommon for a women to choose aesthetic gangsta that fuck her hard and beat the shit out of her.

We are talking about physical lust that makes women pussy wet.

Women do not want caring, loving, beta cuck that bring all money home and are working as emotional tampon for her until she hits age of 30.

it's called a mandibular osteotomy

>>34697697
no being ugly sucks. you can keep doing it if you want but i'd rather be good looking

>>34689421
You lose in average 18kg after a sliding genoplasty, it's hard desu

>>34702026
I am 64kg/187cm atm, I am not sure if I would survive 18kg less kek

>>34702115
dw he made that up

>>34697666
>tfw chinlet AND beardlet
JUST
FUCK
UP
SENPAI

>>34697697
Save your breath, man, no mentally ill cretin around these parts will ever understand what the fuck you blabbering about.

>>34701911
Are you retarded? Personality is a big factor even in one night stands, Chads with a lot of confidence have a bigger chance than submissive cucks

>>34701911
>Are you aware that women have sex with random people after night at club?
>Their choice is based on physical appearance of male

That doesn't mean there aren't good looking robots

>>34702193
being attractive gives you more confidence wow that was easy

normie internet defence force are really struggling to convince robots not to get facial enchaddening itt. theyre scared lads.

>>34702229
>being attractive gives you more confidence

mental illness is mental illness regardless of what you look like

>>34702193
Personality != confidence

What makes personality? Because there is plenty of thugs after elementary school with very high confidence.
You can admire somebody personality after living with him/her for years, after life throws shit at you you can admire how he/she deal with life problems that how you can recognize person with good personality.

But what can roastie tell about personality after 6h of drinking and probably sniffing/smoking some shit?

senpai...

>>34702216
I have not seen a single aesthetic robot after years of lurking here.

We have two groups of people here
1. Group of people with really ugly face that will not even consider posting pic online
2. Group of people ugly or almost avg that post for validation.

but I have not seen a single aesthetic 8+/10 person here posting pic.

Just people here are so ugly that they find avg person that is 5/10 aesthetic like 10/10 chad.

>>34702247
and being attractive is being attractive regardless of your mental illness

just give up normcuck

>>34701911
You're a kissless virgin who hasn't left the basement in years. What makes you think you have any clue what kind of guys get pussy?

>>34702278
>I have not seen a single aesthetic robot after years of lurking here

I'm not the most aesthetic person but I'm 6'2, thin, played varsity sports throughout high school and have been scouted to model on a number of occasions and I'm a khv who can't even look people in the face. You don't have to believe me but just know that looks aren't everything. If you're autistic, you're autistic.

>>34702229
Go ahead and get surgery. It won't change the fact you're a failure, a raging autistic desperate sperg.

>>34702298
Mental illness will outweigh attractiveness any day

>>34702309
During uni years I was living with 2 chads, they also introduced me to their turbo chads friends and they took me in to some exclusive club with them, I would not have a chance to get into those clubs without rich chads, because I am too ugly and bouncer would ban me at entrance.

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>>34702342
look how mad and desperate they are lmao

>>34702321
Yeah if you are autistic no amount of positive thinking will fix it.

At least you are good looking.

People do not make ewww face or burst laughing when you pass by them due to your ugliness. Cute cashier in grocery do not act like you are offending her just by standing there and buying shit.

>>34702342
Post pic of you face?

We live in the world where your appearance and body language is much more important than your iq or personality when it comes to social interactions and humans are very social animals.

SO why would you be so mad that he is trying to improve himself?

Its true that ugly people usually are as ugly inside as outside.

You should cheer him and with him luck instead of trying to put him down.

>>34689421
this shouldn't be allowed

his children will be robots and imagine the pain they will have
just like us

I'm gonna get my nose done next year
anyone has some experiences to share?

double jaw surgery aka maxillomandibular advancement (bsso + leFort1), followed by a rhinoplasty (a nosejob)

>>34697697
looks effect everything dude. not just how much you get laid but your likelihood to be promoted and how much people respect you

people subconsciously consider attractive people superior and give them better treatment. I got treated way better after I started focusing hardcore on my looks

>>34703029
For fuck sake, its not true.

Majority of face ugliness is not caused by genes but by wrong parenting, kids face is not developing properly because parents were not aware of basic shit.

Every single one of this can fuck up your face

>Eating with teat even when kids is able to eat normal food with his mouth or using teat for years

>Sucking thumb => improper development of face

>Sinus infection in childhood == blocked nostrils => mouth breathing => face deformed for lifetime

>Giving kid only soft food => fucking you your jaw and teeth development

>Improper occlusion not fixed during childhood/puberty => fuced up face, chinletis, TJM, migrain/headaches

>fucked up posture, forward head, etc


Any one of this may cause fucked up face, despite fact that your face genetic was pretty good or at least avg.

Its not only about genes

Genes are only 50% + small parents + some luck.

>>34702321
Pls post pic, I'm curious

>>34702367
>bouncer would ban me

Things that didn't happen: the post.

>>34703101
Good looks and intelligence are correlated. Ever occur to you that it's intelligence that helps a person get more respect and friends?

>>34703164
Lol
Have you ever been outside?

In luxury clubs there is selection on entrance.

Do you think they will let any person in?

Even in some rich student clubs there is selection.

If you are dressed improperly ie. some adidas shoes or you are ugly and poor there is no way they will let you in.

>>34703141
ok so provide a big scientific list of fixes please

>>34689421
>tfw GOAT chin and jaw
>tfw goat's eye region with neanderthal brow and a fucked up nose

I can't find ANY surgery pics with a nose like mine. Wide, roman nose. With a very round nose tip.

Feels bad

not even black but get called nigger nose

>>34703259
Majority of problems that I listed are only curable in young age.

For example, eating only soft food as toddler will cause problems with teeths.

Sucking thumb over age of 6 may fuck up teeth occlusiion.

Mouth breathing during puberty will change your face bones structure.

Just google one of my quote and you will have solution in first google link.

If you are still during puberty your best shot is very good orthodontist that will analyze your whole head + neck, not only align teeth your also you rtg face profile + rtf celo pic to calculate your level and type of prognathism etc.

If you are over puberty then there is not too much choice, braces for straight teeth + surgery for face.

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>>34703322
Post pic of your nosee senpai

>>34703352
so, unless youre a rich kid, youre fucked unless you can come up with surgery money as an adult
cool

>>34703202
A very different thing. Dress up like a hobo? Of course a nicer club wouldn't let you in. Wear decent clothes ffs, you're not 12 anymore.

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I wish I didnt have a jew nose

>>34703439
Being hobo may help if you are hipster because with good face you can pull out this "trashy" look, but if your face is ugly and your pockets are not full of $$$ you are fucked.

You are talking about not being 12yo while majority of people at uni wears shoes like that and some of them are almos 30yo.

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>>34703393
>tfw live in the land of gommunism so I might get this for free if I look into it and either way a forum comment from 2011 said that he might have to pay, which cost like 1500 bucks and that was considered a lot
>tfw I can save up 1.5 k in like three months without even trying

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>>34703141
Source for any of this? Sounds like brosciebnce

>>34703820
I thought so too, so I did some google searching and found this:

http://www.jeffersondental.com/assets/docs/mouthBreathing.pdf

There seem to be some studies backing up atleast some of the claims.

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>>34703820
>>34703846
All I posted is true, its weird that you are unaware of this in modern age, but at least you can not blame your parents if you face is ugly, because if you are not aware of this with internet acces how they could know all of it without internet/kids raising books.


For example, mouth breathing is not only a meme or a mean word, pic related.

Its real issue, if you are breathing with your mouth during your childhood there is not fucking change to develop normal face.

>>34690897
uhm are you retarded?
reverse image search, it's a sculpture made by a nazi german named Arno Breker, not an arab

>>34703820
>>34703846
The thing is, I posted only small amount of factors that may fuck up your face, but those listed are the most popular.

Here for example research of impact of untreated overbite on maxillary and mandbulary development.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11302586

>The aim of this study was to investigate the differences in the maxillary and mandibular morphology related to the overbite.

>The results showed that there are statistically significant differences in the maxillary and mandibular morphology among the overbite groups.

>>34704009
There clearly is an effect, but it is unclear to me from looking at these studies, how significant it is compared to the effect of genes.

>>34704009
I'm not saying I don't believe you but untreated overbite is more oviously a factor than bad posture

>>34703141
>>34703352
Is posture fixable after puberty? I think forward neck is the reason I look ugly

>>34704162
Obviously you can alter your posture, since it just involves stretching muscles, but what he claims is that posture has affected your facial growth and since your facial growth has mostly ceased, it would be too late to alter what effects your posture might have had.

>>34704188
Well, might as well kill myself then

Even if I got money for surgery, I really don't want to have to wear retainers my whole life

>>34704055
genes are likey the primary cause. i don't know why there seems to be this one guy in this thread who seems hell-bent on saying otherwise. all he has posted are anecdotes at best.

>>34704216
>retainers

Sometimes it is just a piece of metal glued to the back of the teeth. If it is really bothering you, you should consider surgery, but be prepared for the possibility that you may not be satisfied with the result.

even if you were to fix this, how would you let a partner know? or do you just lie? i mean i guess it shouldn't matter much if you don't want children. what if she reacts negatively by feeling like she was deceived? or is everyone here just about fucking and moving on?

>>34697024
Or you could just have a permanent retainer.

>>34704317
i dont think a partner would give a goddamn that you had surgery to make your jaw look properly developed
at most you might have to inform them about the upkeep (retainers)
and thats only if you share bathrooms or something, really far into the relationship when you shouldn't be concerned about getting left over this compared to something like cheating

>>34704259
>genes are likey the primary cause.
Why? It's obvious that having bad habits related to stuff like tongue position will deform you, it's literally the principle of braces (only in reverse).

>>34704425
If you look at someone's skull you can tell what race they belong to. So obviously you genes play a major role in your facial development.

>>34704481
no shit retard, or cats would look like people, nobody is saying that genes never influence facial features, the point of contention is if stuff like mouthbreathing can mess up your jaw/teeth/midface/etc which there are several pieces of evidence for

>>34704514
That is not what was being discussed you pedantic fuck.

Go back and read your own fucking post where you quoted it:

>>genes are likey the primary cause.

Primary. Not exluding secondary causes.

>>34697697
>just die a loveless khv
Haha. Fuck you.

>inb4 ugly dudes get laid
nope. They're not actually ugly, just average. If your standards are fucked up that's your problem.

>>34704536
And what evidence is there to support this? Oh, there is no evidence, no studies, no ethnicities of chinless motherfuckers? So how the fuck is it most likely genes?

>>34704585
>And what evidence is there to support this?

Everything we know about genes and hereditary traits? A recessive chin can very likely be genetically determined.

>>34704624
>A recessive chin can very likely be genetically determined.
So you go DUDE GENES LMAO and just automatically assume that it's mainly genes despite not having a shred of a study to suggest it? Are you the same kind of person who automatically thinks being gay is either genetic or a choice and if it was genetic it should have been selected away? Development, hormones, etc is incredibly important, which is why we can't grow people outside of wombs no matter if their genes are of an aryan superchad or not.

>>34704714
>a shred of a study to suggest it?

Besides pretty much all of modern biology suggesting just that?

>>34704780
like I said
>DUDE GENES LMAO
you just refer to some incredibly diffuse idea of "modern biology" without backing up your statements

>>34704803
Yeah like who is Darwin even? Phenotypes of finches being hereditary? wHat is that? them finches need to chew hard gum and stop mouth breathing. then they'll develop strong attractive faces.

>>34704840
genetics determine traits =/= genetics determine all traits

genetics might seem like a magic blueprint for the entire human body but what it actually is is a blueprint for a set of microscopic particles and when to produce them, which then require THE CORRECT SET OF ENVIRONMENTAL STIMULI AND PRESSURES TO PRODUCE A HEALTHY HUMAN BEING

But sure, everything is genetic! Carpal tunnel is genetic! Asbestos lung is genetic! Alcoholic liver damage is genetic! Cancer is genetic! Being shot is genetic! Remember, genetics determine EVERYTHING, it's literally your fate in a molecule.

>>34705041
Ah, you are back to straw-manning.

>>34705061
yeah because you sure never strawmanned you fucking turdmongler

>>34705106
>Various skeletal and dental relationships were evaluated for statistical differences related to mode of breathing and age. The upper anterior facial height and the total anterior facial height were significantly larger in the mouth breathers. Angular relationships of the sella-nasion, palatal, and occlusal planes to the mandibular plane were greater in the mouth breathers, and their gonial angles were larger. The mouth breathers' maxillae and mandibles were more retrognathic. Palatal height was higher, and overjet was greater in the mouth breathers. Maxillary intermolar width was narrower in the mouth breathers and was associated with a higher prevalence of posterior cross-bite. Over all, mouth breathers had longer faces with narrower maxillae and retrognathic jaws.

This is from one of the studies. Nowhere is a comparison made with the effect of genes. I think it is likely that no one has ever gone to the trouble of gathering all the necessary information and actually comparing the effects of nature and nurture.

The closest I have seen is photos of two twins who had different diet while growing up.

>>34704139
>>34704162

Yeah, posture itself alone can not cause chinletism, there is not enough research in this subject atm. I was pointing at fact, that when you see good looking person, they usually have very good posture, straight head, almost like they have stick in ass.

>The association between head posture and the
space conditions in the dental arches has not
been studied before, but the question of the
aetiology of crowding, i.e. a lack of space for
the teeth in the jaw bases, is a classic problem
in orthodontics.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Liselotte_Sonnesen/publication/13361860_Head_posture_and_malocclusions/links/5620d2b708aea35f267e5bda.pdf

>>34704162
yes
When you take a pic of your face profile with forward head and another with proper posture you will see than on the second pic our chin naturally move slightly forward due to your better posture.

>>34705177
I'm not saying that it's impossible, I'm saying that so far the evidence leans towards development, because the evidence for genetics has yet to be shown.

>>34705261
The evidence for genetics was already established. These studies are saying it isn't all genes.

>>34689421
Why is his adam's apple so much more visible here?

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With closed mouth your tongue should naturally touch palate. In mouth breather language is resting on mandible, mouth is slightly open whole time.

During development your tongue pushing your palate is slowly forcing grow.

>>34705321
>The evidence for genetics was already established.
What evidence?

>>34705355
How much of your tongue should rest on your palate? I've always had the tip and a little bit more in contact, but I've started pushing up more today and it's pretty tough but doable.

>>34705356
The evidence that phenotypes are hereditary. This idea is the basis of modern biology. It is what made Darwin write his book on the origin of species.

>suck thumb as child
>recessed chin, horrible overbite
>don't care because I'm trying to become a professional fighter so the less exposed my chin is, the better '
'
I don't understand why all you faggots are so concerned about looks. Just pick something in life that doesn't require being pretty, ie anything that involves being a man. The female gender role is to sit around and be useless except for your looks. Men should define themselves by their actions, not their appearance. If you are successful you will be rewarded as a man. If you are pretty you will be rewarded as a woman.

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>>34689421

Braces that fix your teeth and pull your jaw forward to fix under or over bite.

You will look like Jimmy from Ed Edd n' Eddy, but your teeth and jaw have a lot of play in your overall appearance

>>34705469
Usually when I see post like that, they are written by at least 5/10. You have no idea what mean to be ugly, when people choose to sti next to hobo than next to you on public transport.


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>>34701397

>>34705416
Not all phenotypes are hereditary. For example, if you grow plants in space, they are shaped differently. This difference has nothing to do with genetics, but the different forces that act or don't act on them during development, just like if you're a mouthbreather.

>>34705555
>Not all phenotypes are hereditary

For the third time, this is not what I am saying. The question is how big is the impact of genes compared to for instance the impact of mouth-breathing.

You haven't shown any evidence to support your claim that

>the evidence leans towards development

Nowhere is a comparison made between the effect of postnatal stimulation and genes. You probably could make such a comparison, but the people in the studies did not do this.

>>34705674
>Nowhere is a comparison made between the effect of postnatal stimulation and genes. You probably could make such a comparison, but the people in the studies did not do this.
There is evidence that development leads to this, there is no evidence that genetics leads to it. Therefore the evidence leans towards development, and certainly DOESN'T lean towards genetics like the original guy was saying.

>>34705344
the skin is pressing tightly against his throat. instead of just kinda hanging like in the first pic.

>>34705753
>there is no evidence that genetics leads to it

I don't know if you are actually ignorant or being willfully obtuse.

Do you understand why children often look like their parents? All of your facial features are in some way impacted by genes. None of the studies you have posted dispute this.

>>34694840
looks like a bird lol

>>34697683
>that pedo mouth
i feel sorry for you

>>34702278
That includes you being ugly as well then

>>34702342
>poorfag, uglyfag and scarefag coping because he will never have the guts to do surgery

>>34705881
>All of your facial features are in some way impacted by genes.
If an evil orthodontist rigged up some braces that caused your teeth to point outwards by 90 degrees instead of up that would not be due to genetics. Same with some environmental pressure less deliberate, like mouthbreathing. Just because genes code for something doesn't mean that genetics has an actual impact on the difference between people. Like with obesity, genetics allow for obesity via fat storage, but very few of the people who are obese are so because of genetics.

>>34697039
Test doesn't do that you retard HGH DOES

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>>34706111
>Just because genes code for something doesn't mean that genetics has an actual impact on the difference between people

Width of maxillae, facial length, protrusion of midface, to name a few, are influenced by genes.

Obviously you can actively deform someone if work on it, picture related, but in the cases of most people, the effects of genes would be greater than the effect of postnatal stimuli.

>>34689892
at least this guys chin actually went out, mine just goes straight back it never "bulges" (not kidding and im not posting pics either)

>>34706269
the guy in the middle of this >>34690756 is how my chin looks

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>>34706193
>but in the cases of most people, the effects of genes would be greater than the effect of postnatal stimuli.
and you base this conclusion on what? and don't pull some shit like "you wouldn't even have a skull if not for genetics LMAO" because that's not what this is about. No shit that you wouldn't even have those facial features if you weren't genetically inclined for it or you'd be a fucking ragworm or some shit, but are MORE people who look like pic related that way because of genetics or various developmental issues like mouthbreathing?

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsgWUimfupQ
>thread lyrics

>>34706313
People like that guy is an outlier where it could be argued, that in this specific case the effect of genes would be the lesser.

If indeed development of your facial can be altered, then to an extent everyone has their facial features altered, and since only a few people actually look like that guy, the extent by which most peoples' features were altered is much lesser than the variation of these features caused by genetic differences.

>>34705978
yes, I am 3/10

origano lol

>tfw close set eyes
>no surgery to fix that

Fucking end my life

Close set eyes are the worst trait a man could have, even worse than manletism

At least manlets get LL

>>34706696
>Close set eyes are the worst trait a man could have, even worse than manletism

>At least manlets get LL


Well, it's not that bad. At least you can always commit suicide.

>>34706193
>>34705881
>>34705674
you're not wrong, but a receding chin has nothing to do with genetics it's mostly development flaws due to various shit like mouth breathing. I know cause I have a weak ass chin cause I was mouth breathing since forever and only realized like 1 year ago "holy shit my chin is fucked" (i'm 18 am I retarded?)
my parents have normal chins and my twin sister has a normal chin, I guess its kind of my parents fault how didn't they notice my face was turning into a triangle

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>>34697697
>>34702180

Why are people who are always against "vanity" the biggest cunts alive?

Probably even more insecure than the people who want cosmetic surgery.

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>>34706696
just wear eyeliner my man

>>34706828
>but a receding chin has nothing to do with genetics

It can be be caused by genes.

It can be argued that you have a specific type of recessive chin caused by mouth-breathing, but chin definition is definitely affected by genes.

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>>34707041
textless posts are not allowed
originale oregano

>>34706828
receding chin is also genetic, some people without mouth breathing have chin that are few cm inward in compare to upper lips

https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-get-a-sharp-jawline/answer/Percy-Kizer?srid=uYF25

>>34689421
Nose
Eyebrows lift
Chin

That's literally it

>>34689892
>at the local chinic

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>>34689892
that neck in the second pic

lmao

DUDE JAW LMAO
lose weight you dumb cunts and you will have a jaw. not the same jaw as the guy on the dolce gabbana poster but guess what 99% of men dont have that either

>>34707843
but I have overbite anon

>>34698361
Mike Mew's face looked pretty similar to that 15 years ago. It's like a broad shouldered guy lifting weights, he already looks good so he'll just look better. People who don't already have wide jaws aren't going to see massive differences for DECADES. Just keep your tongue on the roof of your mouth and cope, mewing religiously will not make you look different besides making the skin under your chin look less saggy.

>>34707843
>lose weight you dumb cunts

amercunt always assume that everyone is fat

>>34689421
>ctrl+f
>no results
IT'S A FUCKING CHADECTOMY YOU GUYS DISAPPOINT ME

>>34708395
fakeChadClinic

>>34689421
here you go fellow no chin mongoloids. if you have no chin might as well still have good posture. we'll still be ugly, but stand tall doing so. god speed you ugly mother fuckers.

https://youtu.be/FTV6UCh-yhs

>>34689421
its called a betaroidectomy

Hows my jawline ?

>>34697420
*whips out penor*

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>>34709608
here you have it

>>34690493
Yep, that's pretty much my life at 30. There's no fixing it now, the TMJs are so weak any surgery would fuck it up.

Younger bots, do yourselves a favor and go see your local orthodentist. If you're still in your early twenties and don't feel any pain, occlusion problems likely have a solution, and the benefits can be tremendous.

>>34709663
Your head is craned forward, which makes it look better than it is. Make your neck completely upright.

>>34690448
If you have decent credit you could apply for a loan.

>>34689892
Fuck man, I think I have good facial features but my fucking jew nose ruins it all

>>34709682
Can these operations fix asymmetrical jaws too?

>>34689892
>decides to get braces later on
>closes overjet by moving lower jaw forward
>enjoy-your-protruding-jaw.jpg

>>34709727
Do you expect my to have some Kind of good posture when i sit on my Ass all day like a goblin
This is Default

>>34709975
Certainly you don't have muscular dystrophy and can't pose properly for 2 seconds?

>>34694840
Hhahahahah whatcha doin rabbi :D :D

>>34709849
Yes, but only hard tissue.

need to lose cheek fat i think

>>34710077
That's good to know, the bone looks asymmetrical, though I also seem to have a puffier or baggier cheek on the right side of my face, but I'm going to lose some weight and see if it resolves itself, or if it might be caused by the skewed jawbone

i have a minor overbite that if i forget about can make me look double-chinny but if i remember to line up and touch the tips of my bottom and top teeth i have a totally normal face
if you dont have a snaggletooth, overbite isnt the end of the world, but too much of one can imitate a lack of chin

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This is the Most i Can retract my head back
The Goblin nature shines trough now

>>34710390
literally this. hoping by keeping my tongue on the roof of my mouth and doing this, they'll eventually align.

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>>34710441
This is basically what you need for your chin to get you to Chad tier.

>>34710441
I bet you look pretty good from the front, so even though you don't have a long mandible, it doesn't really matter too much.

>>34691425
need pics for confirmation

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>tfw wouldn't actually know what to do if I actually looked handsome for the first time in my life

>>34710563
To Quote the "Bicentennial Man" -"He could sink the Titanic with that chin"

>>34694840
if you were a superhero you'd be turtleboy

>>34693236

Yup. He was a born Chad.

Already had more jaw surgery than he has and I'm still gutter ugly.

Gonna get another surgery (SARPE) followed by revision jaw surgery.

Probably will lose my teeth due to gum recession along the way but so be it.

Life's hard being ugly.

>>34710498
really, if i'm careless about my neck posture and what my mouth is doing, sometimes i feel comparable to embarrasing shots of that faggot leafy. but when i pull my teeth in line with my front teeth, 100% normal profile.
>>34710563
this is pretty much exactly what im talking about, although his overbite looks worse than mine but the same things apply. i will say, it looks like his chin actually is slightly recessed but bringing your teeth in line definitely helps get that right angle in the bottom pic. sometimes it's all you need to do. look in a mirror for a bit, be aware of how your mouth and posture are when you're relaxed and keep your teeth in line. i'm sure a lot of you will find you suddenly feel chadlier. it takes some practice getting used to jutting your chin forward a bit but it'll feel normal over time. and it doesn't look like you're doing so to others, but only feels like it on your end for the first little while.

>>34697962

HA! No shit. Me too but with my open bite. Returned 50%.

I still look better. Also got a numb lower lip.

But I'm gonna need a whole new revision series of surgeries if I want a normal bite (SARPE, revision LF1, revision BSSO).

Life is hell.

I look at all these normal people with all their normal faces and it just blows my mind they got that all for free.

>>34710498
hi anon, with my overbite my bottom teeth just lightly scrape part of my gum on the roof of my mouth and i can only barely wedge my fingernail between the two. if i cough or something with my bite like that, itll give me a yucky double/no chin illusion for the moment my throat is locked, but if i keep my teeth in line (tips touching, canines can touch if you want/if they can), i have a perfectly normal jaw angle, or chad jaw, w/e. (L) just remember to keep your lips closed, teeth touching lightly, tongue top of mouth. i feel like it completely fixes my problem as long as i can remember to keep my shit straight.

>>34689481
you're a chad guy

>>34711366
>my bottom teeth just lightly scrape part of my gum on the roof of my mouth
I used to have this when I was younger so that my lower front teeth sort of exaggerated that little ridge on the roof of the mouth by digging into the sides of it

Are there any actual risks of this procedure