>Why don't you read Nietzsche anon

Nietzsche was a failed normie who lost his onitis to Chad and went nuts from chronic blue balls.

sorry but i prefer marx instead

>>34451389
Does he write those goosebump books?
I like those, I get scholastic reader points for every one I finish.

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>>34451389
should I start reading philosophy?

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In the three or four civilised countries of Europe it is possible; by several centuries of education, to make out of women anything that we like,- even men, not in a sexual sense, of course, but certainly in every other sense. At some point, under such an influence, they will have taken on all male virtues and strengths, and of course they will also have to take male weaknesses and vices into the bargain. This much, as I said, one can bring about by force. But how will we endure the intermediate stage it brings with it, which itself can last a few centuries, during which female follies and injustices, their ancient birthright, still claim predominance over everything they will have learned or achieved? This will be the time when anger will constitute the real male emotion, anger over the fact that all the arts and sciences will be overrun and clogged up by shocking dilettantism; bewildering chatter will talk philosophy to death; politics will be more fantastic and partisan than ever; society will be in complete dissolution because women, the preservers of the old custom, will have become ludicrous in their own eyes, and will be intent on standing outside custom in every way. For if women had their greatest power in custom, where will they not have to reach to achieve a similar abundance of power again, after they have given up custom?

Because philosophy is a waste of time.

>>34451389
Because every dumbass at my artschool was into.

I don't read the work of hack philosophers

Why is everyone all over this grill when her friend is way cuter?

Is that Shyla Jennings?

>>34451446
Stirner pretty much demolishes all other philosophers. Epicurus is quite worthwhile, as are the stoics if youre into that kinda thing. Nietzsche is for the most part uninteresting. His concept of master- and slave-morality is pretty good tho.

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He can't get with me spitting this shit
Wickedly lickety shot
Suspicious spickety split lickety

>>34451389
reading is boring and useless, that's why.

>>34451488
dude you're dumbass too. who the fuck goes to artschool.

>>34451389

This dude/girl looks exactly like me irl

>>34451488
>Because every dumbass at my artschool was into.
where do you go

>>34451874
art school can be a very good investment if you aren't a fucking idiot

http://blogs.artcenter.edu/dottedline/2014/08/22/money-magazine-ranks-art-center-value-star-best-return-investment/

Sure, there's a lot of stupid art students, but art can potentially be a good investment if you aren't stupid and go to a reputable school and know how to use your degree

>>34451389

I feel like nobody in academia wants to be the first one to admit Nietzsche was a crazy asshole who wrote a bunch of bullshit

I read the Geaneology of Morality when I was 17/18. It turned me into a crazy asshole who didn't care about anyone.

Nietzsche is a philosopher of the great man not the common man; and by common means common in the nasty sense of the word.

For Nietzsche, selfless compassion was the product of the resentment of slaves; an inversion of the values of master morality so strength and power are seen as evil.

For Nietzsche, a truly great man, like Napoleon, is beyond good and evil. Great men should not be held down by petty concerns of compassion for the weak and pathetic.

>>34451389
Because I rather read... CUNT!

>>34452035
It is obvious that in his day-dreams he is a warrior, not a professor; all of the men he admires were military. His opinion of women, like every man's, is an objectification of his own emotion towards them, which is obviously one of fear. "Forget not thy whip"-- but nine women out of ten would get the whip away from him, and he knew it, so he kept away from women, and soothed his wounded vanity with unkind remarks. [...] [H]e is so full of fear and hatred that spontaneous love of mankind seems to him impossible. He has never conceived of the man who, with all the fearlessness and stubborn pride of the superman, nevertheless does not inflict pain because he has no wish to do so. Does any one suppose that Lincoln acted as he did from fear of hell? Yet to Nietzsche, Lincoln is abject, Napoleon magnificent. [...] I dislike Nietzsche because he likes the contemplation of pain, because he erects conceit into duty, because the men whom he most admires are conquerors, whose glory is cleverness in causing men to die. But I think the ultimate argument against his philosophy, as against any unpleasant but internally self-conscious ethic, lies not in an appeal to facts, but in an appeal to the emotions. Nietzsche despises universal love; I feel it the motive power to all that I desire as regards the world. His followers have had their innings, but we may hope that it is coming rapidly to an end.

- Bertrand Russell.

>>34452108
What a load of hippie SHIT

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Where should I start with Nietzche?

>>34451389
Why do you read Nietzsche, Stacey? What's he to you? Are you a braggart?

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>>34452147

If you really want to learn about Nietzche, don't bother doing anything because it's largely pointless anyhow.

>>34451475
>waste of time
>implying you can objectively waste a resource that is subjectively experienced.

HAHA what a fucking spook you are.

>>34451854
>boring and useless
>This is why a bunch of the most successful people read at least 3 books a month

I have read Nietzsche. He a shit.

>>34451389
tfw i look exactly like her but im a man
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee i don't want to be a trap

>>34452134
But it's a fact that we're all connected.

>>34451389
too busy gushing over your qt face

Also, I like Plato. He's pretty dope.. And uhh.. It's true. The Republic and Symposium are so obviously fucking true. Makes me gush like a creampied teen pr0nnstarr

>>34452264
Too late I already bought it

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>>34451446
Stirner is the greatest philosopher. He had his shit down.

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>>34452108
bertie was a literal cuckold

>>34451874
Yes, I was a fool. Didn't even learn graphic design. Took a graded class once where teacher-led ary project to "raise awareness of homelessness" was to leave piles of old shoes on street corners with no explanation.

ars project *sic*

meant art project

But i do you silly cunt
>tfw bought Thus Spoke Zarathustra yesterday

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>>34452611
hahahahaa


robot

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>>34452648
>tfw nietzsche is 2 deep 4 me

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>Nietzsche
>Stirner
literally MEME philosophers that only have edgy teen followings who dont even understand their ideas. Especially Stirner fags, most of them just know the meme.

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>>34452696
philosophy is dead m8

go outside

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>>34452648
Best book by him, good job anon.

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>>34451389
Nietzsche is rolling in his grave.

>>34452731
It's his worst. I don't want to read holier than thou prose, I want the actual ideas.

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>>34452753
Stirner was superior.

>>34452264
>largely pointless anyhow.
why's that? because of what society prevents you from becoming or because philosophical ideals are ultimately pointless?

>>34452787
You're supposed to use your reading comprehension skills anon.

Schopenhauer and Spinoza

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>>34451389
Sorry anon, I prefer Kierkegaard.

>>34451825
Stirner was just a cunt.

>>34452870
I like him except for the christian stuff

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>>34452913
*teleports behind your debt collectors*
pshh...nothin personell kiddo...
*opens a milk bar*

>>34452916
I find his stuff on Christianity interesting, but I don't agree with any of it.

>>34451389
Camus is /ourguy/

>>34452326

Lmao I look exactly like her and am handsome as fuck

>>34451389
I listen to Sadhguru

List of fictional ubermensch characters:

Luna (harry potter), Trunks (dbz), Rorschach (watchmen), Amalia (Kafka's The Castle), Avril (Infinite Jest), Gatsby, Radical Edward, Raphael (in one version of TMNT), Tigger the tiger, Maya the bee, Zarina the pirate fairy, Pinkie Pie, Trowa Barton, Sonata Dusk, Furiosa (Mad Max), Azula (Avatar), Charmcaster (Ben 10), Jango Fett, Robin and Starfire, Shay Obsidian, Shego (Kim Possible), Rhonda (Hey Arnold), Quicksilver maybe, Hoopa and Magearna, The Snow Prince (Elder Scrolls Lore), Betsy (The Mindy Show), Setsuna (I Am Setsuna), Kenpachi and Yachiru, Elizabeth (Persona), Cindy (Three's Company)

Some of those characters could be verified more closely. Also, I am using one interpretation of ubermensch. I'm not really sure what Nietzsche wanted that term to mean.

Don't take what those characters did literally. A real life ubermensch would be one of the nicest people you ever met.

Nietzsche was a race realisit and didn't believe in equality of race why would this sjwh ask that?

>>34451389
Because he's the moron that is responsible for the belief that being dismembered can be a positive experience because you learn from it. Schopenhauer all the way baby.

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>>34454090
More characters:

Pippa Lee (The Private Lives of Pippa Lee), Sakura Mizukami, Theresa (The Urbz: Sims in the City), Melody (Rune Factory), Jack-O' Valentine, Calista (Sofia the First)

>>34454090
>Shego
>ubermensch
>not Ron

as a KP fan I'm fucking triggered by this.

>>34451389
Oh god, what a nice wide strong face. Very aesthetic. I'd have kids with her.

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>>34452800
>philosophical ideals are ultimately pointless
> Nietzsche
> ideals

i don't get it

>>34455146
ubermensch is not just some compliment that can be thrown around. it applies to very specific circumstances. the interpretation i am using is that ubermensch means someone who was born a sage. their personality is sanguine, wild, strange, warm, aromatic, ecstatic, natural, well rounded, folksy, free

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>>34451389
>Nietzsche
>liberal
>progressivist

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>>34451389
Whenever someone bring up Nietzsche on 4chan, which seems to happen all the fucking time, it becomes clear that most have just read his wiki page and have no clue what he really wrote about. It's the same reason why Nietzsche is always presented as a dark, brooding, nihilistic figure in the media.

>>34452787
> I want the actual ideas.

Good luck discovering what Nietzsche thought about things from Zarathustra

>>34455407
Ubermensch is someone who has achieved existential freedom. I don't know how you could assign that quality to a fictional character

>>34455261

she's mine

b-back the fuck off?!

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>>34451475
Everything is philosophy mang

>>34454090
>Elder scrolls lore
>Doesn't mention Talos

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>>34455551
Sure thing body.

6'3'' here, pic related. Think you can compete?

Nihilism is bitch tier. Absurdism is the patrician philosophy

>>34455696
When did you come to the conclusion that Nietzsche was a nihilist?

>>34455529
Nietzsche got his idea of an ubermensch from greek fiction. The greeks got some of their ideas from the collective unconscious. The same archetypes that existed then exist now. People are still telling the same stories in different ways.

>>34455580
epistemoligy is important but very limited in applicability.

>r9k

>not enjoying Schopenhauer instead.

>>34455755
He may not be, but people who tell people to read Nietzsche are.

>>34455813
They have a lot in common.

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>>34451854
it sure is anon ignorant people are happier anyway

>>34455421
i'm not completely familiar with the liberal platform but i think their instinct is more in tune with the generative processes of nature which is very Nietzschean. Nature is not survival of the fittest. Believing that is like believing you can ever solve pi. Nature is completely symbiotic. There is no room for force. Pi represents the need for the scientific and dominating mind to give way to the submissive state of mind.

>>34456186
That is complete gibberish though.

>>34451389
Because not developing your own perception of reality is the one true ultimate way to permanently cuck yourself

>>34456237
How does reading prevent you from developing your own perception? I mean technically speaking you can only ever develop your own perception. You cannot develop the perception of someone else.

>>34456237
Translation: I'm too lazy/stupid

>>34455423
> KANT IS A NEET
> GERMANS ARE VERY FOOLISH
> NO SYNTHETIC A PRIORI FOR YOU
> AS IT HAPPENS, EVERYONE BUT ME IS A NEET

- Nietzsche

>>34451389
Nietzsche is what edgy alt-right types read to feel better about themselves when they drop out of STEM and cope with their useless english/history/etc meme degree. "Master" morality is ironic because the people who become neo-nazis aren't the people who win in the end. The egalitarian globalists are the ones who dominate today even under "nationalist" leaders like Trump and Putin.

>>34451746
This one has better facial aesthetics. Not saying much since they are both a couple of 7/10 lesbos at best.

>>34456836
Nietzsche thought that you had to be a NEET to become a philosopher.

>>34457017
>muh alt right

in the video they're obvious sjws
fuck off with your alt right boogeyman shitlord

>>34452264
Good joke! <3

>>34456206
Survival of the fittest is bleak. Nature wants to flourish. Surviving is a calculating game that can't be won. Flourishing only requires benevolence towards all life. It is easy because you do not lead. You submit. This easiness is your new happiness and so long as you stay humble you remain imbued with power. That is the will to power Nietzsche was talking about. He says that the ubermensch creates their own morals but all true morals are the same. He disliked asceticism that was not done for the purpose of helping others. Pi can only be properly understood by accepting the infinite.

>>34452147
Help me guys
What should I read first of Nietzsche?

>>34457476
>Nature wants to flourish

How can nature want anything?

>Surviving is a calculating game that can't be won

You are right about that.

>Flourishing only requires benevolence towards all life.

Imagine 2 people locked a room with only food for one person. With this benevolence towards all life, how do they proceed?

>It is easy because you do not lead. You submit.

If you submit you just follow your natural instincts. To kill and be killed.

>This easiness is your new happiness and so long as you stay humble you remain imbued with power.

Contradictory.

>That is the will to power Nietzsche was talking about.

I can't comment on that.

>all true morals are the same.

what is a true moral?

>Pi can only be properly understood by accepting the infinite.

This part is the gibberish. Pi is the relationship between the circumference diameter/radius of a circle expressed as a number. It doesn't have anything to do with the rest of your post.

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>>34454090
Luffy or Gold Roger (One Piece)

>>34452793
Fuck off /lit/
Stirner is and always will be a nobody

>>34457017
>implying STEM is not a meme degree

>>34457158
> OH AND FUCK CHRISTIANITY

he's basically an edgy millennial with no chill on his teenage anst.

>>34458380
>edgy millennial
>no chill
>teenage angst

you are a philistine.

>>34451389
>92 replies

Proof that too many people on this board are just obsessed with the image of being an "intellectual" or a "reader"

>>34458430
Have you considered that people could have a genuine interest in philosophy?

im an analytic, now leave me alone with my truth tables

>>34451825
>as are the stoics if youre into that kinda thing.
Marcus Aurelius wasn't even a real philosopher and he's still the best of them all.

>>34456186
the liberal platform is pure christianity

if you think they're nietzschean you haven't read a single fucking book he wrote

>>34456274
>>34456544
>"He's not one uf us, we must degrade him until he cracks"
Studying other's perspective of life can cause it to fuse with yours and you would basically have some heretic version of their perception.
>Marxist-Leninist
>liberal-socialist
etc.

>>34458495
>it to fuse with yours

Figuratively speaking.

>you would basically have some heretic version of their perception.

Even if you perception was the exact likeness of someone else's perception, it would still be your perception, and not theirs. Alternately you could say that it was the perception of both.

What is the point of trying to be distinct from everyone else just for the sake of being distinct from everyone else. Seems like the mentality of a hipster.

>>34458583
>Even if you perception was the exact likeness of someone else's perception, it would still be your perception
It's their way of thinking being executed through you, you're basically a medium for their thoughts and beliefs if we're speaking theoretically.

>What is the point of trying to be distinct from everyone else just for the sake of being distinct from everyone else

Diverse thinking leads to a higher chance of innovation, what if we just had a bunch of plato-minded people whose thinking is so abstract there could never be any progress made? It's not all about
>"le I'm an individual xd"
meme

>>34458495
not studying others perspective on life will at best leave you at the level of the pre-socratics if you are a legendary genius which you are not

and nietzsche is one of the most influential people of the last 100 years, you're going to consume ideas from him whether you like it or not unless you were raised in a fucking cave by wild animals, better get them straight from the source

if you have to isolate yourself to not give in to his power you weren't much to begin with

>>34458669
>you're basically a medium for their thoughts and beliefs if we're speaking theoretically.

They can hardly claim ownership of thoughts that you are having. If you explain something to someone and they understand it, it is not your understanding it is their own understanding.

>Diverse thinking leads to a higher chance of innovation

Innovation is driven by people standing on the backs of previous generations. Not by people trying to stand out.

>>34458490
Nietzsche was really just calling for true Christianity.

>>34458921
you're not even a pseud you're just a pure shitposter at this point

>>34451825
>literally the anti-truth
nigger what the fuck

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>>34457569
Birth of Tragedy

>>34457758
Perona

>>34452709
philosophy is the only intellectual discipline that can never die because it will always have a subject matter because its subject matter is whatever exists

>>34454090
Why Azula?

I'm reading Nietzsche at the end of the semester for my Theology class (part of my University's core). I have plenty of reading to build up to that.

I've never actually read Nietzche, but I've read other people's takes on his work, like Guenon, Evola and Ludovici, so I think I have a pretty good basic knowledge of his writings.

I was turned off the idea of reading Nietzche from how he's kind of a meme philosopher now with normies and their DUDE NIHILISM LMAO

>>34458962
Don't take Nietzsche so literally.

>>34459136
You know she is a sweetie. I don't pick the characters entirely by what they do in the show because the authors can make them do whatever they want. I just got the same vibe from Azula as I got from other similar characters.

Also, I tried to describe this character type here:
>>34455407

>>34459472
I should say she is capable of being a sweetie. She could have been rehabilitated.

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>reading only one philosopher

>>34457853
I've never been to /lit/ for anything other than trolling slam poetry threads with links to slam metal bands on YouTube.

>>34460076
>reading

abc123

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>mfw all these pleb tier philosophers

>>34457758
kill yourself pls
unoriginal post

>>34452147
twilight of the idols

>>34458430
Have you considered that people want to talk about things other than traps or bbc?

>>34451389
>Nee-Chee

>>34451389
someone link the vid please

>maxims of larochefoucald
>marcus aurelius

so much more rewarding than the nietzster

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>>34460857
>the guy who believed jews came from space
>philosopher

>>34459331
>I've read other people's takes on his work
you insipid little autist, you sniveling little sack of shit. If you were next to me I would smack you.
Form your own opinions, NEVER judge work based off of others.

>>34452959
this is underrated

>>34455423
I love it when people talk about Nietzsche and Nihilism as if they are associated, immediately exposing that they haven't actually read Nietzsche

>>34451389
read nihilism when i was an edgy teen, its bullshit, its complaining about everything without proposing a solution

>>34451389
All it takes is a pretty face for a man to completely reverse his political opinions.

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>>34451389
>DUDE NIETZSCHE LMAO
He's okay, only edgelords take him seriously

>>34451389
None of this matters August, we are going to die and be forgotten forever.

Want to cuddle and make babies?

>>34452108
Bertrand Russell was the one of the first numales.

>>34457696
>This part is the gibberish. Pi is the relationship between the circumference diameter/radius of a circle expressed as a number. It doesn't have anything to do with the rest of your post.

Intellectual amoeba.

>>34458430

Jesus fuck, don't type any long posts anon.
A mind like yours is clearly incapable of such complex activity and breathing simultaneously.

>>34452147
Plato

arche originalkos

>>34452558
Pls explain. I know he cucked elliot but was there something beyond that?

>>34452309
t. Tai Lopez

Origano

>>34451424
/thread

>im an alabama nigger and wanna be free

>>34466865
It is ineligible gobblydygook. you are trying to peddle some kaballistic mysticism.

>>34451475
why do you think it's a waste of time?

>tfw you dropped out of high school after reading the ego and its own

>>34464138
I haven't judged it, I just haven't got around to reading it yet. Calm down Anon, you're scaring me.

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>>34452147
I took a course last semester at uni that culminated in Nietzsche. We started with Kant. The professor claimed that much of Nietzsche was a response to Kant. Of Course, Kant is a response to philosophers before him. You could try that and see how far into the rabbit hole you're willing to dive.

Pic related - Good summary of Nietzsche's ideal Republic.

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>Implying I don't
Eyy bb, come sit on my blonde beast.

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>>34455612
>Talos
Talos is a Merophobic propaganda based on lies and mythology.

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>>34454090
>Rorschach
You mean Ozymandias

Rorschach was a conventional moralist of the highest order.

Also how can you mention TES lore and Ubermensch in the same sentence without mentioning Vivec?

>>34451825
He doesn't. Have you read his books?
He literally refuses to use logic and reason becuase they are juat "spooks", none of his arguments is actually justified. Also his historical analysis is laughable at best.
I'm pretty sure that almost no one on 4chan has actually read Ego and its Own, and the ones who did never read any relevant philosophy book.

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>>34451389

I don't really know if I can handle philosophy.

I read the first half of Ego and it's Own, some stoic stuff, some buddhist stuff(dalai lama and siddhartha), and some other shyt.

Whenever I start to think deeply, I get real fuckin depressed and negative. Even if it's positive stuff, I really can only reflect on the bad.

Recommend me some philosophical works that will help me cope with living in this vile, degenerate age.

>>34452042
That wasn't the point of the Genealogy of Moral at all.

Compassion should be resented because it weakens your spirit, but that doesn't mean that you should be immune to charity and ethical actions.
Teenagers who read Nietzsche always think that he is a selfish egoist, wich he wasn't.

There is no fixed ground for morality and ethics (such as God), but that doesn't mean that you should just be amoral. Instead Nietzsche tells you that you should overcome the moral system based on unreasonable statements, and make your own values, wich in Nietzsche's case were humanist (the elitism in Nietzsche is not structural, but intellectual) and followed the Greek virtue ethics.

To be amoral only because there is no basis for morality is seen as cowardice by N. Instead we should follow our notion of being ethical in spite of that lack of foundation.

tl;dr: teenagers who read Nietzsche fucking suck

>>34469138
>Whenever I start to think deeply, I get real fuckin depressed and negative.

This just shows that you are genuinely considering what you read, instead of the majority who compartmentalize it and treat it as a topic to gossip abut.

>>34469170
>degenerate
Read Hannah Arendt "The Banality of Evil".

>>34451389
Diogenes is cooler

>>34457017
Wait..I thought I was on /pol/ but no This Is /r9k/.

>>34456186
But nature is survival of the fittest. Both abstract concepts and material beings are constantly revised over periods of time to become the most adapted and fit to exist as they can possible be. It's true that symbiosis and the Deluzian rhizome play very large parts in the order of beings and concepts, but their current incarnations are always the work of the process of natural selection. Further, that process will continue ad infinitum, forever modifying whatever it touches to become the most appropriate version of itself.

>>34457017
>implying that Nietzsche actually have anything to do with the alt-right

If you think so you have understood NOTHING about N.

>Master" morality is ironic because the people who become neo-nazis aren't the people who win in the end

Master morality should elevate on the people who ''win''. Nietzsche had respect only for those people who, in a way or another, managed to impose their will onto the world without corrupting it with unexamined traditional thought.
Therefore Napoleon is great, but Saddam is not. Therefore Wagner is great, but a crony capitalist such as Trump is not.

stiII alive loI

>>34470662
Why do you think you are an authority on Nietzsche?

>>34468962
>You could try that and see how far into the rabbit hole you're willing to dive.


So what you're saying is...

start with the greeks?

Nietzsche is all about overcoming your own circumstances, so as to be able to self actualize yourself. It's no suprise then that most people here hate on nietzsche, since you're all fuckin neets who aren't willing or capable to do anything with your life

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>>34455844
except Nietzsche is 'yknow the outright repudiation of Schopenhauer's pessimitic epistemology

>>34472972
>Implying I have to objectively do anything besides exist

Grats on missing the point of all philosophy

>>34472972
"So I have mentioned some of the conditions, that must be met, for a genius to arise in our age, a free, manly character, early aquired knowledge of human nature, no learned education, no patriotic narrow-mindedness, freedom from having to earn a living, and no relation with the state" - Nietzsche.

>>34474620
He was also a student of Schopenhauer. You could say he just took Schopenhaur's philosophy and made it his own.

>>34474696
>no patriotic narrow-mindedness

I haven't read any of Nietzsche yet but if he's anti-tribalism he's a cool nigga in my book.