Why is the current state of white women in the western world

Asians have these weird frames. They're so squat and square, with all due respect. I frequently notice it.

they wanted this, i dont pity women at all.

>>34403220
because women, as the inferior gender that is incapable of thinking for themselves, take all their cues from men. white western men are pitiable creatures and the dysfunction has transferred itself to women who follow along like a herd of sheep. it's a shame.

The whole world is fucked. Not just that demographic.
>tfw you'll never go back to a pre internet era

Probably because our culture is on its deathbed.

Because women are stuck between two extremes. On the one end of the spectrum is a genuine patriarchal structure and on the other is a radical feminist lobby. A lot of girls feel the pressure to conform to societal expectations while still exercising sexual and personal autonomy. An undue emphasis on sex coupled with a need for male approval makes some women go crazy.

Eastern countries have fewer problems because their communal structures tend to be more segregated along lines of sex. India has very few divorces and low rates of premarital intercourse but has not criminalized rape when committed by a husband against his wife. In India, women tend to be considered lesser to men. The culture there ensures that women live up to ideals of femininity at the expense of their own independence and well-being.

Some well-balanced girls realize that they can make decisions for themselves without giving in to the pressure of "have tons of sex" or "get a husband." Not every woman who refuses to conform has a high sex drive, although some certainly do.

Those girls are quite rare.

For what it's worth, I've traveled a good deal in Southeast Asia and lived in South Asia. Most of the "good wife" girls are intensely boring.

>>34403220
Because men allowed them too much freedom

>>34403335
> On the one end of the spectrum is a genuine patriarchal structure and on the other is a radical feminist lobby.
Thank you for getting it. Thank you. You perfectly summed up my confusion with the modern world as a woman.

I don't want to have lots of sex and be a whore, I don't want to hate men or think they're inferior, but I also don't think -I'm- inferior and enjoy working and don't want to be a submissive little housewife. I don't care if people want that, I would just find it very unfulfilling.

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>>34403220
well OP because we have a historically dominant gender that used to coexist with a gender that provided different things to society (motherhood, beauty, child bearing, different view points). They wanted a piece of the male cake by needing entrance at all costs into male dominated industries, which males gave up because they wanted sex. However, they were paid less because of the still existent risks associated with their culture/biological makeup (periods causing mood swings, high likelyhood to eventually get pregnant and take state-mandated paid leave, high likelyhood to eventually quick to start a family, fucking over their company's investment in them, not to mention lack of natural affinity that may or may not exist). now they'll bitch about uneven pay while claiming that companies shouldnt give a fuck about these risks because that would be "misogynist," aka "you should act irrationally because we're women, give us more money." then it bled into the legal system "i can't make decisions/consent if i'm drunk but the guy sure can." easy alimony claims despite more than equal workforces, child support.. the list just fucking goes on and on. holy fuck

>>34403374

Sure.

As a man, I wouldn't want to marry a woman who had no interest in getting an education or working. I'd want to be with somebody who values being a productive person but also shares my values about monogamy. I'm not a virgin and don't expect to find a virgin, but I wouldn't want to be with a girl who doesn't have an attitude regarding sex which is similar to mine.

In my mind, that's a matter of personalities and preferences. A lot of women conflate societal wants with their psycho-physiological needs.

Men do the same thing too, which is why /r9k/ constantly cries about not getting laid and spergs out when it needs to say "hi" to a human with a vagina. It's not fair to anyone; I feel that men and women alike have a lot of identity confusion, given that we live in a society that has only recently begun embracing progressive thoughts.

>>34403443
Fuck. Reasonable people. I thought you'd all died out or something. You're basically describing my views of the polarised modern world.

>>34403374
>You perfectly summed up my confusion with the modern world as a woman.
what's the confusion? you sound pretty sure of what you believe in. do you mean that you're confused about why these extreme ideologies have taken over?

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>>34403482
>>34403443
can you two just exchange skypes and get married already? holy fuck

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>>34403503
kekked

accueil mofas

>>34403220
can you elaborate a bit ? thanks

>>34403485
>do you mean that you're confused about why these extreme ideologies have taken over?
Yes, exactly. I apologise, it's quite late and I'm tired.
I believe it may have it's roots in the internet.
I'm sure the extremes existed in the past, it's just that they were in small pockets around the world-now they can talk to each other in their little echo chambers, and various media outlets pick them up.

Thus the watered down version (think The Guardian for the left and say, Fox news for the right, or Breitbart and Buzzfeed) reaches the general public and everyone forms up on these...battle lines about absolutely nothing of importance. Meanwhile the world slowly burns around us.

White women are the most desirable women, get everything handed to them on a silver platter, and never have to worry about anything being an inconvenience for them. Since their life is infinitely easy, they make up things like "HURRRRR IM SO OPPRESSED" to seem interesting, relatable, and like their life is actually hard, when in fact it's the opposite. If you're a white woman, your entire life has been assured that you win constantly and no matter what situation you're in, you're assured maximum comfort and pleasure. Since their life is so ridiculously and disgustingly easy, they started this whole modern feminism bullshit so they can seem like they have it difficult and gain sympathy so people would cater to them even more, since white women are never satisfied and want to be treated as goddesses. They got what they wanted, I guess. But there is noticeable downsides to this feminism bullshit.

>>34403538

I think it's a natural and expected clash of old versus new, with the difference being that discourse is amplified by the Internet and mass media. Feminists make a ton of good points, but are often crass in getting their message across. They, like conservative, tend to not be very persuasive. I think I could even argue that they're completely ineffectual at even getting "the other side" to see they might have a valid set of opinions.

People don't want to compromise. As you said, sometimes society picks up on trends. Little bits and pieces of dialog and ideologies are blown up, tossed around, and enter the poplar consciousness. Suddenly people don't know what to believe - the sensible medium, the traditions they grew up with, or the radical ideas which preach either a return to the past or an unconditional acceptance of the future.

Everybody is getting boinked by it. We're really just at a point where people are starting to get smart but have tens of thousands of years of retarded history grinding up against their assholes and begging to be let back in.

>>34403580
I'm not a buddhist, but he once said that the best way to go is "The golden middle way". It's very true. Extremes are based upon belief, and not fact or reasoning, and thus can't be reasoned with because the reason for holding them are not entrenched in reality.

>>34403614

Yup.

I agree with that as well. I don't really have any general "life rules" I abide by, but I always figure that most everything is needed more in moderation than not. That's as true for drinking and sex and television and exercise as it is for tolerance and suspicion.

At any rate, I think I have faith in the future. Either things will continue to improve for ordinary people, as they have for centuries, or they won't.

>tfw 7:43am
>tfw just starting to get sleepy
>tfw took sleepy pills to fall asleep
>tfw going to sleep until 4pm again

>>34403658
Or robots will phase humanity out of existence.

Anyway, geez, go to bed man. Don't want to fuck your body up too much with sleep schedules like that. Where are you anyway, that it's that time? it's only midnight where I am.

>>34403220
Just thouht I'd chime in

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Almost 200GB of 1080p porn featuring the woman in the OP. She's my favorite.

You'll need a non-shit client to open this torrent due to its size.

>>34403669

>midnight

Where is that? Australia?

I live in the American Rust Belt. I'm not taking classes this semester and won't be working again until Thursday. I was in India until early December. Since I didn't have any responsibilities to adjust to, I never bothered to get over the jet lag.

>>34403710
Yeah, Australia. Sucks man. It's too hot and there's loads of spiders.

Where in India, and why?

I ask because I've been there too.

>>34403220
They did it to themselves. Shot themselves in the foot collectively.

I just feel bad for the small majority along for the ride that hate the direction women are headed but can do nothing to stop it.

>>34403730

I've been to India seven times. On my last trip, I spent a lot of time between New Delhi and Jaipur. I also wanted to Manali and Rishikesh and a couple of other places. Been to J&K, West Bengal, MH, and Goa in the past.

My first girlfriend was from India. Went there to meet her once, didn't really like the place, but felt the urge to go back again after we broke up. I liked it more on the second visit, made a ton of friends, and keep going back to catch up with people.

Where'd you go and why?

>>34403777
>tfw same thing happened to me

Went to Singapore for a girlfriend, now all these years later I can't stop going back. I love Southeast Asia.

>>34403777
I went with my parents when I was 14, to Kerala in the south.
It was a bit of a uh, shock? Beautiful and fascinating, but also slightly horrifying. Also, everyone thought I was much older than I was because Indian women are smaller than white women, and leered at me a lot.

Anyway, you should get to bed. Trust me, you want to get back into a good schedule as soon before work starts as possible.

Atheism and liberalism (the 2 are often correlated, but not always)

>>34403804

It's an esoteric kind of feel.

Actually feel kind of bad about how many times I've been to India. I need to see some new places. Been to about 30 countries since 2013 but been to India eight times.

>tfw /trv/ so much that I can't stop /trv/ing

>>34403810

Yeah, I know Kerala. Haven't been there, but I guess I'll go at some point.

Will probably sleep in ten or so minutes. Meds still haven't kicked in. Fucking sleep schedule.

>tfw next time I get on 4chan it will probably just be autism again

>>34403220
>feminism is about hating white men
>white women raised to hate being white

Very easy for them to just be whores and racemix. The only people who care about white women are white men and white women are rejecting them en masse.

The white race won't survive the millennium.

>>34403866
Yeah, 4chan is always like that. And yet it's oddly fascinating.

well, goodnight then reasonable anon, sleep well.

>>34403866
Don't feel bad anon. I left my heart in Singapore. I'll be going there till I die. I hope I die there.

I love going to Thailand and Malaysia too. I don't know how to explain myself. It's weird. This year was the first year in years I missed Chinese New Year. Even though i'm a white American guy it depresses me. It's the comfiest holiday right after Christmas.

>>34403882
Ah anon, you make me so want to throw my perfectly white virginal body at you and bear your white children, the way you hate me so.

>>34403374
>>34403335
>genuine patriarchal structure

Nothing patriarchal about monogamy and two parent households and the father and mother taking on their gender roles. It doesn't make one gender superior over the other.

>>34403907

Goodnight, agreeable stranger I'll probably never talk to again.

>>34403912

Thanks for the feels, senpai. Taking classes again in January but going to Tanzania, Ethiopia, Egypt, and then probably India again in the summer and early fall. Sometimes I feel a bit odd by how different things are between the two countries.

Get the same feel on some holidays, too.

>>34403935
What are your thoughts on white guys who've never slept with a white girl before?

>>34403941
The man is still the head of the household and in charge of financial decisions- That is the literal definition of patriarchy, without feminist dilution.

>>34403374
>enjoy working

TELL ME YOUR SECRET

>>34403953
I don't have any opinion of them. I cannot bring myself to care either way.

>>34403953

Virgin men? Bitter losers that are dealt bad hands and are cucked from having a family.

White guys that fuck non-white women? They hate their own race. Every race should find themselves attractive, be proud of themselves, and procreate with their own.

Now, whites are gonna be bred out of existence.

>>34403972
I have a good job that I enjoy, managing a library-pays pretty well, and because I only have myself and one cat and one dog to support, I save a lot.

>>34403957

Not even when 1000 years ago was it like that. The wives usually handled the finances because she took care of the house.

Today, what it should be, is that both parents make decisions together. I don't understand why people think this shit was that extreme and that women had no rights.

>>34404015
1950s. We're talking 1800s onward. The idea of the male breadwinner and employment outside of the home (i.e. not living off the land) was born in the industrial revolution, and with it came the dynamic of the male head of the household controlling his wife and any daughters.

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>>34404015
The man is also in control of what the household does, who the daughters married, was the final word on everything etc.

>>34403935

I don't care what your snarky comments are, I'm speaking the truth and the demographic statistics as well as every study on sex and relationships prove this out.

This is partly why I hate women, you said shit is shit an then they have to attack you for pointing out the problems. What makes me happy is hearing every story of a white woman getting raped and killed by non-whites, especially every story of white girls being put into sexual slavery for years. You honestly deserve it.

Take the most advanced and rich societies the world has ever seen and throw it away for Muh multiculturalism. Multiculturalism means no white people.

>>34403957
while the wife raises the children and literally shapes the future and has the choice to work or not work or send children to school or homeschool them wow women were so oppressed now you have NO CHOICE but to work

>>34404061
Yes dear. I know you're triggered by snarky comments.

Either way, when white men are like you, it's small wonder they go for other men.

>>34404028

There's a reason for that. Working for others like that was seen as slavery and an embarrassment for the person doing it, so women holding jobs like that was frowned upon. Capitalism was new, people working for others for a wage was new.

>>34404082

You aren't punishing me by doing so. You're free to do whatever you want. I don't owe women or society or the white race shit. This path was decided decades before I was born. I'm only speaking out on the problems this shit will make and everyone wants to hand wave it and deny it.

No civilization on earth has ever successfully been multicultural. Diversity always brings conflict.

>>34404069
Women were not able to be educated, unable to make political decisions, unable to work -if they wanted to-. It's not about what some people enjoy- some enjoy being housewives, and I'd never hold that against them. But many don't, and they lead very unfulfilling lives because they had no other options.

Also, the system you describe is very open to abuse, for the man controls the purse strings and has total say over the women of the household- thus if he's minded like my fine friend here >>34404061
he can do what he want and hurt who he wants. That is the beauty of financial interdependence- neither party is beholden to the other, and thus less resentment is fostered.

>>34404117
India was. Kushan empire- built by buddhists who preached tolerance because it's their central tenant.

>>34404041

And? That shit has long past, no one follows that anymore. But now you're shitting on families and having two parents and gender roles.

This is why single mothers exist and everyone is a fucked up whore drug addict loser today and nobody is happy.

>>34404122

You're arguing against shit nobody supports. Are you saying marriage today is about all that, that women have no rights and can't do anything? Why are you arguing against marriage and gender roles and using shit from almost 100 years ago or more as the reason why we shouldn't follow it.

You know what, I don't give a shit. Live your life how you want and live with the consequences. This is exactly why white women are garbage.

Our civilisation is on its deathbed.
It's probably going to fall sooner than we think.

Even if I did find a nice girl, who I thought would be a good mother and a good role model for our children, I wouldn't be comfortable having children, I wouldn't want them, or their children, to have to live in fucking Mad Max.

I'm just disappointed I was born at this time in history.

>>34404142
Where exactly, did I do that?
You specifically said that women weren't oppressed even 1000 years ago, and never have been in human history. I don't disregard the family, and think it's of vital importance. Gender roles? not so much. If the two adults within the family are able to make mature decisions about how they balance work, household duties, childrearing and still having some other things in their lives, that's my ideal.

For some, it's a traditional family, for others, a househusband. For yet other's it's 50/50, some 60/40 etc etc. I think those conversations are very important, and a good thing. I don't think it should automatically be 'woman does this' 'man does this', it should be 'whoever is most suited does [blank]".

>>34404177
>>34404198
See, I answered someone else with the exact same question.

>>34404198

I said women weren't as oppressed as you think and not all societies followed the same thing. What you think of as the patriarchy was the most extreme that very few followed at the time.

>>34404198
"whoever is most suited does blank" is literally where the gender roles came from

>>34404198
>gender roles? not so much

A man has to be the father and a woman has to be the mother, with everything that entails. Families are fucked up when you break away from this.

>>34404219
You're putting words in my mouth. I never even mentioned a patriarchy. I don't think they were as oppressed as western feminists thinks, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to live as a woman at any point in history other than the last 50 years.

>>34404244
Yeah, and it made sense in the past. But because women are able to do most work now, because it's not as physical, those roles have to be more fluid.

>>34404270

The work and the home are two different things and the laws of biology still apply.

>>34404250
What else does that entail besides loving your children and raising them as best you can? Obviously gender is important in having kids-basic biology. But it doesn't mean the woman has to stay at home all the time, particularly once the kids hit high school, and it doesn't mean the man has to be emotionally disconnected and work himself to death to support the family.

>>34404198
>I don't think it should automatically be 'woman does this' 'man does this', it should be 'whoever is most suited does [blank]".

I agree that this would be the ideal.
If people were actually capable of acting in a manner that even slightly resembled ideal, that'd be great.
The trouble is that they're really not.

Gender roles were not perfect, but they worked.

Attempting to run society on
>'whoever is most suited does [blank]".
just ends up with a pair of unreasonable assholes holding together some barely functioning relationship.

Assigned gender roles worked for the majority of families.
Something working acceptably for the majority is better than something that works perfectly, but only for a small minority of families who can actually manage it.

Perfect is the enemy of good.

>>34404278
What? Sometimes, women are the higher earners, or men prefer housework. It's all about who want to do what. That's all I'm saying. That now, each individual couple has to have these conversations, because roles are no longer black and white-while this takes adjusting it is not a negative thing as it protects one person from having to be beholden to the other.

>>34404293
>>34404312

I have no interest in arguing this further, I just wanted to drop in the thread and post my opinion. We aren't going to agree on this. Live your life how you want and live with the consequences.

>>34404298
So basically humans are selfish dysfunctional creatures who can't cooperate?

Hell. Me and my husband worked it out.

We both work part time, him slightly less than me because I have a higher salary, and the kids go to after school care once a week.

>>34404330
Fair enough. You too. Best of luck. Like I said, there are no negative consequences for me personally, and I hope your decisions have no negative consequences for you or your future (or current) wife.

>>34404293
>>What else does that entail besides loving your children and raising them as best you can?
Have you tried reading a book?

>and it doesn't mean the man has to be emotionally disconnected and work himself to death to support the family.
Oh you're retarded, nevermind.

>>34404374
I'm not even them, but what is wrong with what S/he said?

>>34404392
>S/he
It's Xe, please.

>>34404404
Well I don't know if they're a genuine woman or clever bait that's got you all fooled.

>>34404414
>they're
It's Xe's, please. I won't ask again.

>>34404392
They're strawmanning the actual normal human family ideal everyone else is talking about with the hypercapitalistic broken neurotic "family" that was introduced into society after the industrial revolution and considered the status quo in American post-WW2 capitalism.

>>34404432
>>34404404
Bugger off, troll.

>>34404434
>They're
It's Xe's, please. I'm only asking again because you're a different person. Thank you.

>>34404434
I do think they have a point though. Motherhood and Fatherhood do not necessitate the economic roles within a family- just the roles in regards to the children.

>>34404336
>So basically humans are selfish dysfunctional creatures who can't cooperate?

The majority of them, yes.
It's not always selfishness, a lot of people are just genuinely incompetent, and have absolutely no time management of financial management skills.

If you can live on two part time incomes, you either make a lot of money, or you have a lot more financial sense than most people do.
That's not really something most people can manage, most couples I know have at least one person working full time and they're always broke.
It is entirely their fault, they are shit with money and refuse to learn how to not be a financial retard.
But these are the kind of people we are dealing with, they can't figure out how to not waste all of their money every week, there's no way they'd be able to sensibly divide up the work required for a family on their own accord.

>>34404449
>troll
It's Xirself, please. I won't ask again.

>>34404454
Okay, I am her. Could you fuck off please? I am a girl.

white women wised up to the controlling autistic sociopathy of white males. white males try to enforce and racial gender hierarchy with them on top but this is long gone. minorities and women understand their bullshit now.

asian women are spineless and greedy so they'll agree being subservient to crusty white autists if they'll get a green card and a socioeconomic boost out of it. basically opening their legs to have white privilege by proxy

wmaf is the most disgusting neocolonialist pairing with some self hating asian woman and a bottom barrel white that leads to the most fucked up kids ever.

>>34404466
>Motherhood and Fatherhood do not necessitate the economic roles within a family
Of course they don't, who ever claimed that except the retarded roastie who doesn't understand that there are other roles that don't amount to LE MONEY?

>>34404467
Well, we had kids when our careers were stable, and we don't buy a new car every three years or a computer every one year. We also bought our own house and paid of the mortgage quickly before we had our child, when we were both on fulltime incomes. So, I guess we are sensible with money,

>>34404474
>her
It's Xir, please. Don't assume your pronouns. Could you fuck off please?

>>34404489
What else though? Emotional support and the like?

>>34404519
Did you actually have a father?

>>34404485

Exactly this. White women realized that black and brown men believe in equality and that they are more masculine and have bigger dicks.

Not only that, but Christianity was a problem as well. White women are figuring out for themselves that Islam and Judaism are the feminist religions and are converting en masse to them. White women KNOW that white men are all garbage and are flocking into the arms of black and brown men. Thank god for that, they can't help their subconscious attractions and all white women are addicted to submitting to non-white men.

>>34404529
Yes? I'm really confused as to what you're getting at. My father was loving, caring, supportive, did stuff with me, fostered self respect and respect for others (along with my mother) etc. etc. and he and my mum share the work and household things.

>>34404547
>My father
>did stuff with me

Yes, that's abundantly clear.

>>34404558
Answer the question. You know full well that she meant activities. I'm curious as to what else you think fatherhood entails as well.

>>34404580
Are you coming to her rescue because you want to do "activities" with her as well?

>>34404547
Read this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicomachean_Ethics

This is what a father is supposed to do in a broad sense, instill a practical sense of ethics and explain to his son his general place in the world. In a more narrow sense that you might understand, this would be helping the son find his profession in life, be a good man, explain to him how the courting rituals of his society work, who to trust and who to distrust, and so on.

>>34404589
You're just not answering the question, are you.

>>34404496
Yeah, actually outright owning your house would probably make the part time thing work a lot better.

It does sound like you definitely have a much better grasp of how to be a reasonable adult than most people I meet do.

You and your husband are the kind of people who will thrive when you are left to manage your own lives.
Most people are unfortunately not like that at all.

I'm happy things worked out well for you, hopefully I can find something similar one day.

>>34404580

Being the rock and protector of the family.

Any femanons want a blackbot bf? I'm fairly attractive and make a decent income.

>>34404597
Bro, I came in here talking about gender neutral pronouns and now I'm accusing some rando cunt of fucking her father. I haven't the slightest clue what this thread is about.

>>34404593
But that comes under what I said about raising them as best you can. Teaching your children about the world, their place in it and how to be a good person and succeed IS raising them.

>>34404606
Protector from...what exactly? It's not like we all live in constant danger of wild animals, and any war is likely to be nuclear.

What is the 'rock'

>>34404619
Then what the fuck are you still pretending to be confused about?

>>34404649
You were the one who said there was more to it than that. Not me. That's why I got confused.

>>34404619
>be a good person and succeed

pick one

>>34404535
Is this that Indian Shitposter who dedicates his life to cuck posts?

>>34404645
>It's not like we all live in constant danger of wild animals

Haven't been culturally enriched yet?

>>34404666
Success is not just in material terms.

>>34404666
really made me think you twat

>>34404658
Glad we cleared that up, now describe your pussy and asshole in great detail.

>>34404703
Belong to my husband alone, and have never been touched by another,

>>34403220
You white guys let your women get way out of control, just as out of control as the blacks let their women get, only in a different way. Just like black women, white women don't feel like they need men anymore and white men don't feel like they need women anymore.

>>34404734
That's almost as poor of a description as the one of fatherly roles. You need to learn how to talk to people it seems, are you Varg's autistic daughter wife?

>>34404754
>white men don't feel like they need women anymore

I fucking well don't feel like that

>>34404703
Well, one of them is constantly filled with shit, and the other is my asshole! Which is also constantly filled with shit.

>>34404734
How old were you when you met?

Is he Chad?

>>34404734
You liar, you JUST said that your dad fucked you.

>>34404819
You could not begin to understand the poor condition of my pussy hygiene.

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>>34404039
This is the most autistic shit I ever read in my life. Thank you anon.

Also it's really interesting how Amerifats are usually the autists to come up with this shit. Then again, egalitarianism is a European ideology.