So nice to have a white president again.

>>34352395
Wonder how hard it is to get that nigger stank off the white house

>>34352395
So nice to have a semi-proper old-guard Dem president again.
None of this third-way crap.

t. Liberal false flagging to make us look racist

>>34352395
Put yourself in the shoes of a non white. Minorities make up the majority of the population in the US but they are the least represented? You are asking for a race war you cannot win.

>>34352440
I would have been happy with Ben Carson, Henry Cain or even Colin Powell. At least they were born in America and not the secret love-child of a communist agitator.

But yes, having a white back in the White House looks cool. I know it won't be for long though. Liberal insanity has passed the point of no return. Pretty soon white male presidents will be illegal and racist.

>>34352763
I meant Herman Cain.

>>34352486
>Minorities make up the majority of the population in the US

Not until the 2040s, at minimum.

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>>34352395

Also nice have such an elegant, classy first lady

>>34352440
>t. Liberal false flagging to make us look racist
sure, because there isn't a sizable minority of conservatives who aren't unironically racist, right?

it must be hard to even exist with so much cognitive dissonance, believing that the party which recieves the unanimous approval of white nationalist groups could somehow at the same time stand for the rights of minorities

>>34352763
Congrats, how tolerant of you. I think you may be forgetting that the liberal demographic backed Bernie Sanders, a white male, for the majority of this election.

>>34352911
He never said there wasn't a sizable group of people who think like that. But who do we have to impress now? We are in power and don't need to hide our beliefs anymore. Ask any black and they have a preference for their race just like everyone did just 70 years ago, but for some reason whites stopped and only the whites stopped doing that.

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>>34352911
I will concede Jews are white but Sanders was against poor whites and even denied that they existed.

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>>34353055

Did you listen to even one speech the man made? He literally could not shut up about the working class, he said something about it basically every time he had a microphone on him.

>>34353055
>Jews are white
No they aren't just cause some of them have light skin that doesn't make them white if thats what makes you white Asians must be white too

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>>34353185

Who do you think you are kidding? What Jews think about themselves is irrelevant to who they group with genetically.

He's already fucking things up. We'll probably never vote in another white male president again after this.

>>34353154

> white people don't know what it is like to live in the ghetto
> white people don't know what it is like to be poor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6IlGoeDIUQ

Lololololol at all the angry libs, your free ride is fucking over welfare queens. You NEET faggots better start looking for a job or something.

>>34352887
Is that the original Bruce Jenner?

>>34352486
>Minorities make up the majority
Inner city education at it's finest, folks.

>>34352911
>the rights of minorities
They have the same rights as everyone else. Stop pretending they don't.

>>34353055
You make me feel sad for you. You need to get off pol and try the real world. It must suck going through life being like this.

>>34352486
>they are the least represented?
Ah yes, don't be racist because we're all the same but our diversity is our strength.
Representation is elected. Don't blame the system for the voters' votes.

>>34353185
How sad. It sucks to be you.

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>>34353055
>I will concede Jews are white

>>34352425
It probably still smells like dank kush.

>>34352395
cucks got literally destroyed

>>34353379
I was like this before pol

>>34353055
>was against poor whites
he wasn't, you only hear what you want to hear.

I don't believe at any point in his campaign did Bernie ever advocate for race based tax reform, nobody would, that is ridiculous. All anyone wants is equality.

>>34353185
the Census classifies Jews as white, which is the only relevant definition for any legitimate purpose in which US race or ethnicity would be discussed.

This holds true for the entirety of the Census's lifespan - there has never before been a "Jewish" or "Hebrew" racial group in the Census before.
Interestingly enough, there has been a Mexican racial group at one time...

If we are talking in general about the Jews, Jews are an "ethnoreligious group", both an ethnicity and a religion, but they are of the white race.

In this definition it's important to understand the difference between ethnicity and race - this is related to why in the modern Census there are two questions asked about race, as I am sure you have seen before -
Are you Hispanic or Latino? is the first.
What is your race? is the second.
(which is broken into, you know, white, Asian, black, pacific islander, other, etc)

Why is this? It's because the definition of Hispanic simply means someone who speaks Spanish - this is a catch all phrase for those from South America, because South America is a very diverse place. There are many black Hispanics from, you know, the Dominican Republic, Caribbean, there's many Asian Hispanics in Peru and Brazil, there's White Hispanics from Mexico and Argentina, etc

this is a moot point with the Jews, as I believe that the ethnoreligious group is fairly racially uniform, all white.

This all has to do with how race is largely a social construction - how we used to consider the Irish to be a different race but we no longer do, how we used to consider Mexican to be a race, etc.

note that more detailed info on social classification (country of origin, etc) is collected in the American Community Survey since 1994

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>>34353286

The idea that Bernie really thinks that there aren't white people who need help is one that runs counter to the overall message of the campaign. What you have here is one gaff of wording in a single debate versus years of speaking out against the trade agreements that ship poor white jobs overseas when no one else would and demanding free healthcare which would benefit all the poor, including the white poor, on top of all the other progressive policies he supports. To be against the white poor would be incongruous with the policies and positions he has spent his life championing.

I'm just going to speak directly to you here; you think Sanders is anti-white because you're stupid. You hear a guy say anything pro-black at all and you immediately assume that means anti-white because you live in the racist bizarro world, but that was not a position stated or implied by Bernie, his actions or his campaign. When a man says he wants to make the system work for the 99%, you certainly realize that 99% of America includes a lot of white people, right? Definitely including the ones that live in trailer parks and all the other wastelands of white America, the term "working class" is basically a euphemism for "white poor" to begin with; or if you're feeling unkindly, a euphemism for "white trash." What you're not grokking here, because you're of a certain mindset, is that it's possible to be for the promotion of the white poor and the black poor at the same time. What is important is not the color of their skin but the fact of their lack of opportunity. And if you go over Bernie's whole campaign, you'll see that.

>>34353607
>If we are talking in general about the Jews, Jews are an "ethnoreligious group", both an ethnicity and a religion, but they are of the white race.

Jews need to be counted separately because they have a separate culture and frequently are advocates for a foreign state.

They also can't be considered "white" if they get their own special word for anyone who criticizes them.

why does pence look so smug

>>34353756

People who oppose Mormonism are called anti-Mormons. Many Mormons are white and most in the US are white.

>>34353297
Kek you stupid nigger this entire site is made up of NEETS

>>34353849
Trying to hide his raging homosexuality behind a mask of smugness.

>>34353607
cenus also says mexicans are white. if jews are white then why do they push for white genocide hernie panders is a sellout

>>34352395

Enjoy the internet while you can. Pretty soon sites like 4chan won't be able to afford to exist.

I wish trump the best and all and I hope he succeeds, but if his administration already gets super salty because his inauguration turn out got compared to a previous one and starts lying about trump's having a bigger turn out... Well, it's not a great start.

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>>34352395
Now we just need a half-ass fiscally responsible one.

>Trump
>white

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>>34355444
>he hasn't heard of the multiplier effect
>implying gov austerity isn't what got us into the economic rut we're currently in

He's using that debt to stimulate the economy.
That's good debt.

>>34355536
And why exactly is Obama's debt bad debt? Also, we don't need to go to complete austerity, we just need to keep our spending in check, especially considering where his tax brackets are set and the fact that he's forcing producers to manufacture in the States under threat of high tariffs, which will increase the costs of products both foreign and domestic for consumers. Responsible budgetary practices was kind of a staple of American Conservatism.

>>34355526
Trump is Israel's bitch. That means he automatically loses his white status.

>>34355667
Debt and overspending is bad only when a dem is president. Trump's debt and massive overspending is good!

>>34355667
Obama's debt isn't bad debt.
I'm not a Republiturd and neither is Trump really.
>forcing producers to manufacture in the States under threat of high tariffs, which will increase the costs of products both foreign and domestic for consumers.
Not all producers and not all manufacturers. He's picking out key industries--auto, steel, etc.-- to build up via protectionist measures and leaving everything else to the free-markets. He's not going to slap tariffs down on everything.
>which will increase the costs of products both foreign and domestic for consumers.
I suspect it's a momentary thing.
Protectionist measures when used correctly and sparingly are a good thing.
>Responsible budgetary [...] staple of American Conservatism
This isn't your father's cuckservatism. This is alt-rightism--think FDR but less taxes.
>>34355749
Trump is putting on a show for the republiturd voters. Read anything about him and his policies and you'll quickly realize how much of a RINO he is.

>>34355856
>think FDR but less taxes

That sounds absolutely disastrous and I would highly recommend you leave your cuckold fetish out of every conversation you take part in. I agree that basic protectionist trade policies are necessary, but let's consider what happened to the steel industry back in the 1980s when we tried applying the same tactic:

>Back during the 1980s, when there were huge losses of jobs in the steel industry, the government restricted the importation of foreign steel. It has been estimated that this saved 5,000 jobs in the American steel industry.

>But of course restriction of competition from lower-priced imported steel made steel more expensive to American producers of products containing steel. Therefore the price of these products rose, making them less in demand at these higher prices, causing losses of sales at home and in the world market.

>The bottom line is that, while 5,000 jobs were saved in the American steel industry, 26,000 jobs were lost in American industries that produced products made of steel. On net balance, the country lost jobs by restricting the importation of steel.

https://www.creators.com/read/thomas-sowell/07/12/jobs-versus-net-jobs

Also, what exactly do you mean by "building up" these industries? In what aspects are they down?

>>34353607

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6IlGoeDIUQ

Sanders disagrees with you. It's right there chump.

>>34355856
It's clear Trump is RINO. What's not clear is what his policies are. The guy can't stay consistent on anything, and will flip from one end to the other daily.

>>34352395

Crazy how a liberal president has to run as a Republican to have a chance at winning. The left is full marxist now.

Reminder, Teddy Roosevelt, the hero of progressives, was a nationalist and demanded that immigrants come here legally and assimilate otherwise that had to get out. FDR, the hero of the left, put the Japanese in internment camps to vet them. These are ideas and policies that work for the benefit of and protection of all Americans.

The left is globalist and marxist.

>>34356006
>knock job-killing, anti-free trade China down a few pegs bigly
>stimulate the economy via protectionist measures and tariffs
>gut or privatize SSI
>renegotiate trade deals

Don't worry about it, norman.
E v e r y t h i n g w i l l b e f i n e.

>>34356045
*via strategic application of subsidies and tarrifs

>>34352395
>Trump has been POTUS for 2 full days
>I don't have a gf

What the fuck, I thought Trump was supposed to fix things? I can't believe I was bamboozled by this fraud.

>>34356064
>Trump president for 2 days
>ISIS already bombed and leader killed

Really makes me think Obama knew where they were and didn't care. Almost like he supported them. Hmm. Barack Hussein Obama. Really makes me think.

>>34356045
>job killing
In what respect? The net total of manufacturing jobs in the United States has declined, but the net total of jobs in general has done nothing but increase, and the access to capital that's come as a result of these trade deals with China has been a pivotal factor in what's been driving GDP growth since their inception. Again, what needs "stimulating" in our economy and what will prevent the cost of goods from skyrocketing along with our inflation rate over the course of the next decade?

>>34356112
Also, how long can we guarantee the security of these manufacturing jobs? Automation is rapidly becoming more improved and integrated, so should we give it ten years? Fifteen? Holding onto these laborers will eventually come at a disproportionate cost to producers and consumers alike, and then we'll have an even larger domestic workforce with no work.

>>34352486
>minority
>majority
These are antonyms, anon. A minority cannot be a majority

Trump being president is like a toddler with a loaded handgun. There is always the chance an intruder will come along and the toddler will shoot it.

>>34353154

Fucking pornhub spreading cuck videos

>>34353710
>>34353154

Bernie said in a Democratic primary debate that he wanted open borders and to give free shit to illegal immigrants.

this thread is so negative. i didn't know republicans are this negative.

don't call me cuck, i'm just a nonwhite who's planning to move to america. i thought it has the best people in the world. i was wrong.

you are nasty nasty people. none of you should've voted. thank God it was electoral, not popular votes. because american democracy is already tainted with racist demagoguery

>>34356271
I can tell you're a foreigner, because that post wasn't remotely coherent.

>>34356271

This is a great place, and Trump's 4 years can not do too much to hamper that.

If you wanted to come here before don't let Trump get you down now.

>>34356189
yes but if that intruder was black then you have yourself a hate crime, the very least impersonating an officer charge

>>34356302
your attempt at humor has been acknowledged

>>34356282
how is it not ? i can't believe republican whites have these thoughts in their heads. i would never feel salty or bothered if a chinese was chosen to be my president here in my third world country, my skin color and culture doesn't matter to me. caring about it makes me feel like i'm a bad person.

>>34356252

Again, you only think that equates to being anti-white because you're dumb.

>>34356292
i just can't believe it that my future white neighbors have these kind of thought. "it's nice to have a white president again". pretty sure they would see me as a subhuman

>>34356332
>>34356314
>Obama elected
>entire left and the entire world
>YES A BLACK PRESIDENT SUCK IT WHITE PEOPLE THIS IS GREAT BECAUSE HES BLACK

Oh, but god forbid people are happy a white person is president.

>>34356252
http://fortune.com/2016/04/17/immigration-open-borders/
What's wrong with that?
Data shows open borders are a net benefit for all involved.
>>Once they're here, they'll never leave.
>This brings us to a fascinating paradox: Open borders promote immigrants' return. Take the border between Mexico and the U.S. In the 1960s, 70 million Mexicans crossed it, but in time, 85% returned home. Since 9/11 the U.S. side of the border has been heavily militarized, which has discouraged immigrants from going back. "We annually spend billions of taxpayer dollars on border enforcement that is worse than useless -- it is counterproductive," observes a sociology professor at Princeton University. "Migrants quite rationally responded to the increased costs and risks by minimizing the number of times they crossed the border."

>>34356319

It's not about him being anti-white, he advocated for open borders and for all immigrants to get free healthcare, welfare, and schooling up to and including college.

>>34356314
>thank God it was electoral, not popular votes

The Electoral College assured Trump's victory, it would've been the other way around were this dictated by popular vote. That's what I didn't get about your post. In any case, true American Conservatives prioritize merit over ethnicity and responsible budgetary practices over whatever the hell we're in gear for. Don't worry about it, just pursue your career and strive for improvement.

>>34356271
Most people aren't that malicious.

You need to understand that for several years now, politics and popular culture has been constantly denigrating white people, and calling it out gets you labelled as a white supremacist or something equally ridiculous.

People are just getting fed up with it.

>>34356352

I'm pleased all you care about are the bottom line of corporations. Can I convince you to be for open environments because companies dumping their garbage in the air and water is a net benefit for society.

>>34356352
Fake data

>>34356332
>i just can't believe it that my future white neighbors have these kind of thought.

The vast majority of people here are good people anon. Keep in mind that Hillary did win the popular vote.

The people who voted Trump are either uneducated poor people in small towns or elderly people in the South, those kinds of people aren't gonna be your neighbors in any city to which an immigrant would move. Cities are overwhelmingly democratic.

Remember that the biggest protest the US has ever seen took place a few days ago. People are mad about this, this clown doesn't represent the average American in the slightest.

>>34356372
You do realize Trump has openly and explicitly advocated for dismantling of environmental protection laws?

How the fuck do you people justify all this shit in your head? You know that environmental protection laws are good from your post, clearly, yet you are fine with Trump doing the opposite, why?

>>34356372
>>Cheap immigrant labor forces down wages.
>To disprove this fallacy, we can turn to a study by the Center for Immigration Studies -- a think tank that opposes immigration -- (1)which found that immigration has virtually no effect on wages. (2)Other research even shows that new arrivals lead to an uptick in the earnings of the domestic workforce. Hard-working immigrants boost productivity, which brings paycheck payoffs to everybody. All too often, moreover, the alternative to hiring immigrants is to outsource work to other countries. And that, ironically, (3)does force wages down.
(1)http://cis.org/sites/cis.org/files/borjas-economics.pdf

(2)http://www.epi.org/publication/bp255/


(3)https://books.google.nl/books?id=CLDgDxHNu1oC&printsec=frontcover&hl=nl&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q=outsourcing&f=false

>>34356343
well people should be happy that the best candidate is the president. ethnicity should be irrelevant in a libertarian multiracial society.

>>34356372
>bottom line of corporations
Illegal immigrants pay taxes, they work the jobs we don't want to do, and it's really a win win for their home nation and ours.
I don't see the problem.

>>34356419
>How the fuck do you people justify all this shit in your head? You know that environmental protection laws are good from your post, clearly, yet you are fine with Trump doing the opposite, why?

Don't deflect. If all that matters to you is the economics of a policy, then if you're for open borders you must be for open environments to be logically consistent.

>>34356424

I love it. All that matters is the economics, right? Then open the environment. There are no negatives to open borders, right?

>>34356450

Me neither right? The same is happening in Europe right now. Economic boom from all that illegal immigration.

>>34356364
well not just career but i want it to be my new home.

All these libhshills, gross

>>34356474
>everyone who disagrees with me is paid

fr*ck off trumpshill

>/r9k/ is full of virgins, NEETS, and other self-described "losers"
>/r9k/ is predominantly right wing
Hmmmmmmm

>>34356450
I would be completely fine with illegal Japanese immigrants.

>>34356512
impossible. they must find it dishonorable to be an illegal immigrant. plus they're the biggest nationalists on this planet.

>>34356508
>>34356424

And I'm glad you used that source.

http://cis.org/Welfare-Use-Legal-Illegal-Immigrant-Households

tl;dr Illegal immigrants use more welfare than legal immigrants and that if we legalized illegal immigrants, the welfare system will be too strained to exist. But we should be for open borders because it's a BENEFIT that they are here. Truly they are enriching us with their presence.

>>34356535

And the point is that we are supposed to VET immigrants BEFORE they come in because the purpose of immigration is to benefit America, not be a drain and make our cities and towns unsafe. Wages and jobs are not the only variables with immigration.

>>34356553
Uh how are we supposed to vet the illegals...?

>>34356582

We build a wall with a great big door. Our borders have to be secure. Too long we accepted the illegal immigration for profit.

>>34356591
Oooooh, I see, you're talking about getting down to zero net illegals, then vetting folks that wanna come here. Gotcha.

It'll be even better when his coked-up heart gives out.

>>34356622

American policy was always to vet immigrants. It's why Ellis Island existed and the area in Califonia(can't remember it's name). Only in the last few decades did the American government know that illegal immigration was happening on a large scale and did nothing to stop it.

>4chan's Trump supporters are typically children and redditors
what did they hmmmm by this?

>>34356656
Too much money in it. It's cheap labor. Exploitive. I agree.

>>34356662

Were there any unironic Hillary supporters?

>>34356535
>.org means it must be credible and not a meandering website full of clipart and raking in ad revenue
Shouldn't you be in bed by now?

>>34356690

Excuse me, if the source was credible here >>34356424

Then it must be credible here >>34356535

>>34356674
Who cares about Hillary Clinton?

>>34356535
And this is why I agree with Trump on curbing illegal immigration, but everything else about his fiscal/trade policies spell disaster to me, for reasons that have yet to be addressed >>34355444
>>34355667
>>34355927
>>34356112
>>34356155

>>34356700
the "Center for Immigration Studies" is horseshit no matter who is citing it.

>>34356715
That whole ordeal of him stating he'd directly impede the AT&T/Time Warner merger really rubbed me the wrong way, too.

>>34356715

I'm not the guy you're arguing with about that. I support Trump 100% because of his stance on immigration. The Democrats were for open borders AND given them free healthcare and schooling.

>>34356753
>100%

And this is the crux of the whole issue. We need to make our grievances plain, and we need to exercise this with the powers we have as a constituency. The "lesser of two evils" sentiment would make the Framers vomit.

>>34356753
No

originaIanigiro

>>34355667
>he's forcing producers to manufacture in the States under threat of high tariffs

From his dealing with the Carrier people, it reads more like if you want to outsource you should just threaten it first for a tax benefit, then outsource half the jobs you wanted to anyway. Trump's following the blowjobs for bankers model, he's not going to play hardball at all, ever.

>>34356784

Hate it all you want, it's what we have. As long as Democrats, as a party and almost along partylines, support socialist and progressive policies, I will never vote for them.

I think Trump's appeal was that he was somewhere on the middle between D and R.

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Feels great, all my libtard friends are triggered to the max

>>34356832
His appeal was his entertainment, never his policies. Middle America voted for him because they wanted something "else," which both on its face and in actuality was completely asinine.
They hired a landscaper to fix their pipes because they didn't like what their current plumber was doing.

>>34356832
>in the middle
Being a champion of the ruling wealthy is not "moderate" or "in the middle".

>>34356832
Hate what? Our representative democracy? I don't hate that at all, it's the foundation of it that's the problem: Voters. You. Had we approached our respective delegates with uniformed, constructive arguments for more fiscally-minded candidates in either party, none of this would happen.

>>34356843
lel that's how we run a country lel epic tr0ll joxter 2 teh maxx
>>>reddit

>>34356870
>His appeal was his entertainment, never his policies.

Literally the opposite. You think people supported him for grabbing pussy and dodging taxes? People want immigration control and lower taxes.

>>34356880

Okay.

>>34356889

Asking too much.

>>34356821
And so he's also setting a bad precedent to fix an issue that isn't really an issue.

>>34356907
He wont even deliver on either, sadly.

>>34356907
Then why not vote for Cruz or Rubio? You are wrong. Trump was elected because of his unpredictability.

>>34356907
I'd prefer the Trump entertainment factor over the Pence policy any day of the week.

>>34356907
Then maybe the universal right to vote is also asking too much. And again, immigration control I support, but lowering taxes must be either compensated by considerable cuts in federal expenditure or a strong, consistent surge in GDP growth, neither of which I see in his policies. No, the majority didn't vote based on what works economically, they voted because they heard the term "jobs" being used in "alternative" contexts.

>>34356921

We'll see. Give him a chance. Also, don't forget Trump isn't king and has to deal with the other 2 branches of government which are checks to anything he could do.

>>34356948

Because neither one was as against illegal immigration as Trump was.

>>34356921
Oh, they'll bring back the Bush tax cuts and let voodoo economics rain down on us like a pyrite shower

>>34356970
>Then maybe the universal right to vote is also asking too much

Uh oh, you're sounding a little fascist here. Are you saying democracy has faults and might not be the best system?

>>34356832
>>34356880

The Democratic party is actually the middle now, because it rolls over for most pro-corporate shit just like the right but has liberal social policies so it's not quite as repugnant on the whole as the GOP. That's why Hillary got all that establishment Republican support after the primaries; they liked her well enough and she was running to the right to meet them; and she is the embodiment of establishment Democrat politics.

>>34356889
>uniformed, constructive arguments for more fiscally-minded candidates in either party

You could've approached whoever, I don't think many voters buy any of the bullshit policies that tend to come come with the word "fiscal" attached anymore. It took a few decades but I think people have noticed that what economists recommend usually makes the fatcats fatter and fucks everyone else up the ass.

>>34356973
>Cruz didn't have an immigration plan virtually identical to Trump
Flat lies

>>34357003

Only after Trump came out and said his plan. Cruz is a Christ-tard too, which comes with it's own baggage.

>>34352395

Yeah it's kind of surreal seeing him sitting there.

>>34356991
>using Democrat as an adjective
Rush has trained you well. Opinion discarded.

>>34352486
We win if we don't unlock the prisons

>>34356973

I really don't get what there is to "see" about. There's nothing about Trump's stated plans, published rhetoric, past actions, character or ideological leanings that suggest his presidency will be a success of any sort. The only thing that could change this around is something like a benevolent alien invading his brain and using him like a big orange puppet.

>>34356991
>what economists recommend usually makes the fatcats fatter and fucks everyone else up the ass.

Based on what, exactly? Are we defining small businesses, which employs over seventy percent of the American workforce, as fatcats? They've benefited just as much as corporations and the public at large as a result of globalized trade through access to capital. We can curb illegal immigration and innovate within our own private sector while still maintaining this system of trade.

>>34356991

Being for open borders is not a middle ground position. That's a radical, far-left position. And being for universal healthcare and free college is not middle ground, it's socialism which is a left position.

>>34357020
I forgot Republicans get cold feet when it comes to voting for Evangelical Christians.

>>34357047
>socialism
There's that word again. How does your grandma enjoy her Medicare?

>>34356984
>Are you saying democracy has faults and might not be the best system?

Of course. I never stated otherwise and I pointed out the cog in the gear that won't turn: The constituency. Were it up to me, I'd enact a kind of "technocratic" system of voting, where only those who pass a basic assessment of open-ended economic policy questions would be registered. As to how I'd enforce that, I don't know, and I don't really want to use the term "technocratic" because I'm not asking that only THE most educated citizens be allowed to vote, only those with a fundamental understanding of the economy.

Was trump actually born in the USA? I heard he was born in Norway or something?

>>34357096

That's what it is. And not as much as having 1/3 of her check removed from her before she even sees how much she earned.

That's why people hate the left. You get people dependent on government programs, set up the system so that they don't have a choice but to pay into it, and then act like you're doing everyone a favor.

>>34357108
The problem with that is who controls the answers to the questions. We're seeing with this administration that "alternative facts" can exist.

>>34357132
>dependent
it is impossible to live on 7.25/hour. Try it.

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>>34357138
And who's responsibility is it to check sources? What dictates what the media, mainstream or otherwise, covers and the "spins" that go along with it?

>>34357047
>And being for universal healthcare and free college

Are you paying attention to anything at all? Establishment dems do not support these things. They'll talk a bit about relieving student debt burdens and shit, but Obama's big solution to healthcare was a law which forces you to buy PRIVATE insurance.

Bernie Sanders is for those things because he's a progressive, and that's why the DNC sabotaged his run at the primaries, they don't share his ideals.

I also find it hard to believe Clinton would have done anything to reduce border security. I don't know offhand if she talked a game on that, but I guarantee the action would not have been there.

>>34357035

??????

>>34357138
Hahahahaaaaaaa I almost wet myself when I saw the "Alt Facts" quote. Four years of this. There's not enough popcorn in the world.

>>34352887

Yeah it's nice to have eye candy in all our official white house pics now, between her and Ivanka and whatever other hot girl is always floating around Trump.

>>34357132
You can say the exact same thing about every public service

>>34357150

You're changing the subject. And you can't define a livable wage.

>>34352395
Is it Agent Cooper behind Trump's back?!

>>34356229

Someone needs to tag all of them as cuckold porn.

>>34357169

I lose 1/3 my check every time I get it. What the fuck does the government give me in return for it? Nothing. I'm paying for others.

>>34357166
>eye candy
Kek whatever you say

>>34357185
Yeah, and if you were to lose your job and have issues attaining a new one, it'll be there to assist you. You nimrod.

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Wtf i'm motivated now??!

>>34357155
the scary thing is Trump and the right are using social media to influence stupid people to a degree the mainstream media can only dream of

>>34357155
The goal of the alt-right is to shade the truth so much that we get tired of fact-checking and assume nothing is true. Remember, this isn't the party of GWB or Reagan. This is the party of Breitbart. This is the party that drmanded Hillary Clinton's imprisonment then gave her a standing ovation two days ago. This is a party of manipulation, and a significant portion of this country fell for it and is coming to its senses shamefully too late.

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>>34356282
>>34356271

I kek'd so hard. Nothing against foreigner anon, but it's just funny how it's a dead give away. I mean we see it on social media, someone types in this weird incoherent English were you can tell it's not their first language.


But no foreigner anon, don't let random anonymous people online shape your opinion of people. /r9k/ is not for average normies.

>>34357229
>Nothing we want for our future is beyond our reach

I want my offspring to enjoy a higher standard of living than me and your economic policies are kicking that dream right in the nads.

>>34357157
>for teh lulz
the grownups are trying to talk. I'll check in on you later. Ok bud? I promise.

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>>34357045
>They've benefited just as much as corporations

Nope. Most of the benefits of our past few decades of policy has gone to the top .1% of Americans. Shockingly more.

We'll also have a lot of difficulty innovating in our own private sector with a shitty education system that likes nepotism better than ability. I'm sure Trump will help with that though? Oh wait, his champion on this front is Betsy Devos, a charter school advocate who probably just wants kids to be forced into schools that are legally allowed to spend all day teaching the Bible instead of anything that matters, and doesn't really care that it'll leave the next generation unprepared to compete.

>>34357170
No I'm not. The social safety net is not dependency. Who wants to make less money?
>inb4 you find a story where someone makes "too much" for welfare and isn't happy about it
I know they exist, buy it's miniscule against the 10s of millions who really need it because capitalism alone doesn't pay enough for many people to feed themselves

obama already did his damage
all the girls I know irl are obsessed with the BBC

>>34357185
Read your pay stub and you'll find put where that money goes. Eventually you'll be the one relying on those SS and FICA checks from yhe government.
Beyond thay, you went to a public school, right? If your house caught fire the fire department would come, right? You have roads that lead to your house, right? Yhe internet you are using is based off government infrastructure, right?

>>34357275
>Most of the benefits of our past few decades of policy has gone to the top .1% of Americans. Shockingly more.

... And it's gone to everybody else, through access to capital. Yes, the rich will get richer, but if we lower taxes on the lower class while making proportional cuts in federal expenditure (which Trump isn't), then the poor will not get poorer. Restricting imports from foreign countries will only drive the cost of products upwards, which throws this strategy, were it being adhered to in the first place, into disarray. The globalized market is not the source of the problem.

>>34357307
Mmmmm. They have good taste.

>>34357170

The hell kind of bullshit claim is this? You can easily estimate how much it costs to buy the food and other supplies necessary to live in an area, you just have to know prices and know what people generally consume over time, which is easy to know.

>>34357353
To add, what jobs are we bringing back? They left for a reason. You're not getting $25/hr to sew tshirts unless everyone wants to pay $70 for a tshirt.
Basic macroeconomics, folks.

>>34357353
>through access to capital

There isn't more of this in the current climate, it's actually less because banks are encouraged to gamble in the abstract planes of finance rather than make loans to entrepreneurs. As far as normal people are concerned, nothing has improved. They have less and can do less. Millenials are making 20% less on average than their boomer parents were at the same point in their lives, and things are likely to only get worse as globalism forces low-skill laborers in the US to compete with low-skill laborers in third world countries while automation digs into both sides.

I don't think the solution is anything economic, though. Automation will continue to ruin those job markets at an increasing pace; self driving trucks for instance have just a few years of testing and then a few years of litigation between them and wiping out millions of American jobs. Our only hope is universal basic incomes to pad things over and great education to get people inventing new kinds of work, and the basic lack of compassion among this nation's elite will prevent either of those things if they're left to their own devices.