Robot Historyfag thread: Battle of Kleidon Edition

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>>34292676
hmmmmmmmmm

are there truly no history loving robots here?

I will bump this thread until I get some discussion going on

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>>34292885
I'm a /his/ crossposter, but you didn't invite us into any discussion. What do you want people to say?

>>34292965
I don't know, I'm new to this whole making threads for discussion thing. What's your favorite/era/ruler/battle

Or just post a random battle, leader, ect that you think is interesting.

bumping with very original content

Who here has any knowledge in dutch history?

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>>34292676
The Battle of Tours was definitely something that should be counted in all history books in the Occidental World. Criminally underrated everywhere though.

The Franks literally saved Europe from Muslim pressuring from Spain, allowing the Muslim culture never to set one foot into Frankish soil, and it is considered by some historian to be the most pivotal battle for the Occidental Civilization.

Charles Martel also wielded a fucking battle axe and won against cavalry equipped with stirrup using the terrain and limited pikes.

This is probably the most interesting battle of the Middle Ages.

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>>34294278
>I meant to say Early Middle Ages

>>34294278
Interesting, thanks for posting this anon. So if the franks hadn't stopped the Islamic invasion of Spain, would the ottomans have likely succeeded in their invasion of europe later on?

>>34292885

tell me why i should care about history in 10 seconds

just a bunch of boring events and dates

>b-but it's like game of thrones except real!

no, it's a lot more boring

>>34294748
If you're the kind of person who needs to ask that kind of question there's no use in answering it because you're not the kind of person who would enjoy learning about history

go back to your anime and vidya

>>34294723
They would have had to deal with Umayyad Khalifs (Don't know if I pronounced it right) and their offsprings States, instead of the Byzantines and the Crusaders.

Basically the raids they did in the frankish kingdom were escalating, and Charles Martel said : "Fuck this, let's teach these motherfuckers a lesson. Who's with me?"

He beat them to a bloody pulp at Tours, and the Umayyad got a grim reminders of what kind of people lived up North (I think the leader of the long-term raid expedition was the cousin of the Khalif or something, and he died during that battle as he tried to rally his troops, can't remember though).

Afterward the Muslims were so scared they never, ever sent another expedition up North, paving the way for the rise of the Kingdom of the Asturies or Asturica in Spain, which would become Castille, if I'm not mistaken.

>>34294821
Very good, very good. What was the leading reason for the frankish victory? Did they have better trained/equipped soldiers, larger numbers or was it the result of superior tactical maneuvering?

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>>34294821
I'm pretty sure you're wrong or at the very least grossly exaggerating. I can't remember where I've read it but I'm under the impression that the Moors' expansion into Europe had already slowed or halted when they got their asses kicked at Tours, and that the battle itself had little to no actual consequences besides bolstering the Franks' and Christians' morale. Basically that Islam wouldn't have spread further north even if Tours didn't happen.

Manzikert and the siege of Constaninople in the 8th century, now those are some actually influential events between muslims and christians.

>>34295078
Care to elaborate on Manzikert and Constantinople?

>>34295078
t.revisionist cuck

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_I_of_Mexico

Maximilian I always makes me sad as fuck. One of the few rulers who actually seemed like he cared.

>He spoke only in Spanish and gave his executioners a portion of gold not to shoot him in the head so that his mother could see his face.
>His last words were, "I forgive everyone, and I ask everyone to forgive me. May my blood which is about to be shed, be for the good of the country. Viva Mexico, viva la independencia!".

Seems like the world is usually darkest to the people with the brightest hearts

>>34295268
feelsbadman

Why was he executed?

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>>34295191
oh wow, I'm sorry I forgot for a moment that all Muslims have been the bad guys forever, no exceptions. Anyone who kills a lot of saracens is automatically a hero, no?

there might revisionists here but I think I'm not one of them.

>>34295190
I think those two really had the possibility of changing history had things gone differently. But everything I know comes mainly from the wikipedia anyway, so I'm not gonna elaborate more. You can read for yourself.

History is really fascinating though, I'm glad I'm not the only one who takes an interest.

>>34295404
Eh the entire point of this thread is hear other anon's opinions on history but if you insist I'll read the wikipedia instead

>>34295392
Basically Mexicans were sick of European influence. He was more or less forced by his family to become emperor. He went over, tried to end poverty and introduce social reforms for Mexico to lessen the divide between rich and poor.

Mexican republic wanted to overthrow the empire, and ended up doing so with help from the Mexican elite and the US (who also wanted to weaken European influence in Mexico). When he lost, the leader of the republic pretty much wanted to make an example of him.

>tfw he just wanted to explore and study the world

>>34295541
>His wife, Charlotte of Belgium (Carlota), had left for Europe earlier to try to build support for her husband's regime; after his execution, however, she suffered an emotional collapse and was declared insane.

Sounds like his wife really loved him too.

I bet Mexico would have been better off today if the republic hadn't succeeded.

>>34295541
Why do the states have to ruin literally everything? Worst country to ever exist

>>34295647
Definitely a sad case of "what if?".

>>34295682
I agree. Nothing but a history of using and throwing away people for personal gain.

>>34295831
They've also got little to no actual interesting history that isn't bullshit propaganda and they tend to only waltz in and out of world affairs as they please and fuck with other country's conflicts whenever it benefits them

It's kinda sad how long it took them to get involved in WW1 and 2

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>>34296135
I know, man. Grew up in a working class white family in the Midwest US. Everyone around me was a flag draped patriot dripping with freedom. After reading perspectives from other countries , I understood early on that the U.S. is unbelievably cocky and deceitful.

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>>34292676
This is kinda cool OP. I'm not all that knowledgeable about history, but there are some things I invested time into, like >pic related.

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Every person is a story.

>>34298125
This is why I'd never be able to fight in a war. Apart from an imminent fear of death I'd be stuck thinking of every single choice everyone I killed made that got them to the point where they died, the people they knew, their families, their friends and how their death affects that world

>>34297899
hmmmmmm

anon what am I looking at here

>>34298658
If you don't believe me....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kettle_War

>>34299095
Were the hapsburgs by any chance french? Because surrending after a single shot sounds awfully french to me