If we know we are so autistic at socializing, why dont we try

Or you could read philosophy. It'll get you friends, girls and somewhat of a more efficient and healthy mind.

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>>34146993
10 bucks the conclusion to this book is

>BEE yourself ecks dee

>>34146993
That book doesn't even say that you should "be ur self." It tells you to put on a face to trick others into liking you.

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>>34147016
>philosophy

>get you friends
>get you girls

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>>34147019
its not, im 150 pages in.
when am i getting the 10 bucks

>>34147053
Then it's either a complete lying meme book or it's about muh social engineering.

>>34146993
I read that book. Every advice written there is for normies who wants to be better
Just that, it won't work for social misfits like us

>>34147035
no it tells you how to deal with people, that makes them happy, which in turn makes you happy.

>>34146993
I've read it. It actually is really good, even though the title is awesome. Lots of concrete scenarios and advice.

After reading it and practicing a bit, I actually enjoy making smalltalk with people I don't know at parties. I won't pretend like I'm making friends, but it's still good.

>>34147039
Well, it worked for me. Every girl I've got in the last four years (and believe me, I spent like five months alone in the whole time) was "lured in" by me talking about Philosophy. Friends, too.

You get a lot of positive attention by being genuinely passionale about something and sharing that with others.

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>>34147151
how much do you make from this memestudy
. 30k?

>>34147151
I'm passionate about pornography and 4chan.

It isn't working!

>>34147227
Don't know what to tell you mate. "Sell" yourself better.

For example: I was doing a uni workshop. We had to create a project for a newpaper thing and then present it; my thing was a free fold-up sheet with loads of qreader squares on it. Each of them would redirect you to some "esoteric" piece of internet content. During the presentation I talked about live suicides, DAK, shit like that. People where into it. A girl was nodding her head off, literally. A lot of them hit me up afterwards, asking to talk with me, take a coffee, chatting it up because they were interested. It works.

>>34147349
Sounds lame.

I'm going to keep being radical online.

>>34147382
Faur enough. Hit us up with a link if you write essay form shit, it's always nice to see robots write at length about stuff.

>>34147349
good for you, i once again ask, how much do you earn by majoring a girlscoring shit tier major

is the 3 years wasted worth it just to fuck some girls, where you could have met them in the bar anyway

>>34147463
I live in Europe, unis are cheap, I work in the meanwhile, it's something I love and do even when not studying, I have references, contacts and other skills to employ. Lire is good.

>>34147529
>im too embarrased to say my salary so i just talk about other shit that has low value
or maybe you dont even have a job after finishing philosophy

>>34147463
>>34147193
You don't need a degree in philosophy to read philosophy. Why do idiots like you get so buttblasted whenever somebody mentions philosophy?

>>34147151
But everyone that I've ever spoken to about philosophy is a self righteous ass reads wikipedia summaries and tries to get into a discussion with me only to conclude that everything is subjective once you bring up something too complex for them to understand.

>>34147590
Mate, we don't have salary prospects when we sign up for uni. If we can (and I do) we do what we like. Jobs come afterwards - or better yet, if you're a good enough student (and I am) you can fine a complete scholarship in another country and go on studying and building job prospects and connections.

>>34147628
They're dickheads, then. You meet a lot of them in your courses, whatever they are; philosophy dickheads tend to be more self righteous and vapid than most, sadly. Finding the good ones to have a good talk is a bit of an effort.

>>34146993
Good book read it when I was fifteen. I've had 5 gfs and am currently in a relationship.

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>>34146993
People that are actually on the autism spectrum to some degree do not gain much from reading normalfag self-help books. Faking behavior (even just for a while) and manipulating people are literally some of the things autismos and spergs have the most trouble with and are largely incapable of. Though naturally the amount of people here with real autism is low, regardless of what some might believe. Autism is such a abused word at this point it barely means anything without solid context provided.

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Let me save you some time, here's what you'll find in the book.

BECOME A FRIENDLIER NORMALFAG
1. Don't criticize, condemn or complain.
2. Give honest, sincere appreciation.
3. Arouse in the other person an eager want.
4. Become genuinely interested in other people.
5. Smile.
6. Remember that a person's name is to that
person the most important sound in any language.
7. Be a good listener. Encourage
others to talk about themselves.
8. Talk in terms of the other person's interest.
9. Make the other person feel important - and do so sincerely.
10 The only way to get the best of an argument is to avoid it.

WIN NORMALFAGS TO YOUR INTJ WAY OF THINKING
11. Show respect for the Normie's opinions. Never say, "You're wrong."
12. If you are wrong, admit it quickly and emphatically.
13. Begin in a friendly way.
14. Get the Normie saying, "Yes, yes" immediately.
15. Let the Normie do a great deal of the talking.
16. Let the Normie feel that the idea is his or hers.
17. Try honestly to see things fro
m the other person's point of view.
18. Be sympathetic with the Normies' ideas and desires.
19. Appeal to the nobler motives.
20. Dramatize your ideas.

BE A FUCKING CHAD
21. Throw down a challenge.
22. Begin with praise and honest appreciation.
23. Call attention to Normies' mistakes indirectly.
24. Talk about your own mistakes
before criticizing the other person.
25. Ask questions instead of giving direct orders.
26. Let the Normie save face.
27. Praise the slightest and every improvement. Be "lavish in your praise."
28. Give the Normie a fine reputation to live up to.
29. Use encouragement. Make the fault seem easy to correct.
30. Make the Normie happy about doing the thing you suggest.

There's one thing I learned from Dale Carnegie, which is that a new task is a kind of rest. It's easier to study a language for 1 hour then read a book for another than to study for 2 hours straight.

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>>34148013
Thanks, ill still be reading the rest of the book for the excellent examples

i will be saving this for later use.

>>34146993
It's not a good book
It takes a simplistic approach and assumes it applied to everybody

>>34148013
>6. Remember that a person's name is to that
>person the most important sound in any language.
I hate hearing my name. Always some jerkass trying to waste my time.

But anyway, knowing people actually use this kind of checklist of self-serving bullshit with which to manipulate their way around the dunghill town is preemptively discouraging.

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>>34148013
So basically just pretend to care what other people think. Not sure if I can do that

>>34146993
Reading List:

Influence: Science and Practice by Robert Cialdini
Written by a leading scientist in the field of social psychology based off his research.

It's Not All About Me: The Top Ten Techniques for Building Quick Rapport with Anyone by Robin Dreeke
Cheesy sounding name and extremely short this book is nonetheless packed with valuable insights. Written by the FBI's head of behavioral analysis.

The 33 Strategies of War by Robert Greene
Written by a historian and former low level Hollywood Jew this book is an analysis of historical figures' successes and failures in the social field. Helps to cultivate a strategic outlook which is extremely valuable.

>>34146993
>over 75 years in print
Why the fuck would you want to write that on the cover? This shit was written pre-WWII. A year before it was published the entire world celebrated the Nazis for hosting the greatest Olympic Games in history and being all around masterrace badasses.

>>34148391

What do normies even think about?

Can such base considerations even be classified as thought?

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>>34146993

It's not something you can "learn", you're either born socially inept or you're not.

It's like taking a 5'6" manlet and telling them, "Okay, I'm going to teach you how to dunk a basketball."

>>34146993
I read it but it's basically for normies.

Like most robots I'm still stuck at that "how do I interact with someone without having a panic attack?" stage.

>>34146993
I read some of that, it assumes that you are able to approach people and talk to them like a normal person. It mainly focused on making yourself more presentable and agreeable for formal/business relationships.

>>34147076
read the book you dumb fuck, holy shit.

>>34148759

This may not be best way to Influence People, you forgot to talk about your personal mistakes before calling him on his shits, now he can't save face.

>>34148687
Social ineptness is the result of not learning how to properly socialize. Generally the best time to learn social skills of course is from early childhood when your peers are at your same relative level.
You can learn to socialize as an adult by reading and practicing but it requires discipline, focus, and a thick skin because there will be many failures.
The only way you can be doomed from birth is if you have a mental illness such as autism. Personality disorders can make it extremely difficult as well.

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Can someone give a brotha the PDF?

>>34148013
Excellent summary, anon! Good job! I'm going to screencap your post and save it.

I don't think I'm terribly bad at socializing, I just hate having to break the ice.

>>34147078
Because you don't practice.

>>34148013
TL;DR: pretend to be someone you're not, not even the person you would want to pretend to be.

>>34148893
Found it on here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/RedPillReadingGroup/comments/40bwli/how_to_win_friends_influence_people_dale_carnegie/

>>34148893
How about no. If you don't have the will to even find the book, or God forbid purchase it for $5 then you definitely won't ever read it, let alone put to practice what you've learned.

>>34148687
>It's like taking a 5'6" manlet and telling them, "Okay, I'm going to teach you how to dunk a basketball."

Muggsy Bogues

>>34147349
post a pic of yourself m8

>>34148687
It's like teaching someone to drive, and you say stuff like "check your blind spots and clear ice from your windshield in winter" but that person doesn't even know what the gas pedal is.

>>34149147
>Writes a self help book
>If my advice doesnt fit your situation then YOU NEVER STOOD A CHANCE IN THE FIRST PLACE KYS YOU BETA KEK

tl;dr normies and their friendly advice

The problem with books like OPs is that they assume you can lie, and lie convincingly.

Most normies can, and can't imagine that there's anyone who's bad at lying. But if you can't lie a lot of the advice is impossible. If you can't fake "be sincerely interested in people" you're fucked right out of the gate. The problem I have, and that I imagine many other robots have as well, is that we're too autistic to be able to convince normies that we're interested in something when we're not. I know when I talk to normies, however much I try to not let on that I don't give half a shit what they're saying, they can tell. I'm sure it's behind my immense difficulties in the job market too, a manager has a way of knowing when you're thinking "I have no desire to do any of this, I just want a paycheck", and step one in getting hired is fooling him on that front.

Which makes me wonder about the point of books like this. The people who are able to put the advice into practice are the ones who are either normie enough, or are good enough liars, to not need it.

>>34149435
I had this exact problem when I joined the military to avoid homelessness. I decided to go full autist and just actually become the lie.

Now the problem is my peers have no idea what sincere happiness to serve looks and sounds like, so they think I'm being sarcastic all the time. Like I volunteered to stay late one day and apparently this pissed off my boss so he punished me by having me stay late.

>>34148885
Autism is not a mental illness

And there are natural things in our way to be, (like the tendency to introvertion) that factor in the whole "social/not very social" thing

I agree that mental illness and personality disorder makes things, much, much harder

>>34147019

No, but the book is only useful if you're willing to take a leap of faith and try out a lot of the meme sounding advice it gives.

I think it could help a lot of robots on this board, although they'd all be too stuck in their ways to bother taking in the message, and given the attitude of your post you'll probably throw it away after the first 20 pages.

>>34148239
you sound like a young person.

t. that's exactly what I said when I was 14 years old thinking that I was some kind of deep thinker who succeeded human morality

>TFW all the normalfags in my Psychology class at uni wanted to do their report over this book.

Fucking faggots, I did mine over depression. But the fucking normalfags wanted to do their report on a book that teaches you how to be a normalfag.

>>34149038
it's called being polite hopeless cunt

if you actually are a robot and not just a normie posting here anyway then you sound like the epitome of human worthlessness and entitlement, if you are a plain normie or above then you probably do atleast 40% of the things mentioned here.

God, it feels like I share a board with 16 years olds. Oh wait.

>>34146993
I read this book. Guys, don't ever read this. I hate this book. It teaches you how to be an ass kisser, which probably worked more than50 years ago, but that's no longer the case. I mean, read it and see for yourself. I thought it was """""interesting""""" but has no practical use.

>>34151233
a moral person doesn't game people like a Machiavellian trainee stooge

you were smarter when you were 14

>>34147019
>not pirating

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Sorry OP but Dale Carneige's book was written to teach farmers to become salesmen.

Nothing in that book works today or applies to introverts.

All robots should read this book instead. It talks about all the scientifically proven differences between the brain of introverts and extroverts.

It explains why books like OP's will never work on us.

Being an introvert is not a question of nurture. It's in our DNA. It's a fact. You can't change that.

Society is the problem, not us. Decades of indoctrination and movies have demonized introverts, calling us broken, depressed, miserable.

But it's them who are wrong. They have to accept us. We shouldn't have to change.

>>34152402
Is society shitty? Yes. Should they accept us? Yes. Will they? Never in a million years. Society gets shaped by those who are most social. That's so obvious as to be tautological. It's the same logic as why society will always be hostile to the lazy - those who lead society are by definition the most ambitious and hardest-working, that's how they got into the leadership positions.

>>34152402
even if it were true, society isn't gonna change in our lifetimes

>>34152511
But the book talks about how introverts tend to be the most successful leaders. That is if they know how to play their strengths instead of pretending to be charismatic talkers.

Extroverts also have terrible flaws, things that us introverts can do easily. Time to admit it and focus on our strengths.

>>34152514
I think it will. Homos and trannies got accepted in less than a decade so it wouldn't surprise me.

Keep in mind that introvert shaming is mostly a Western thing. The book also explores how other cultures actually glorify introversion.

Give it time. They can't bury us all. Eventually they will have to accept us.

>>34148013
>1. Don't criticize, condemn or complain.
Well, I'm glad I didn't spend my time reading to that shit.

>>34152663
>>Keep in mind that introvert shaming is mostly a Western thing. The book also explores how other cultures actually glorify introversion.
you're presuming that other countries will influence the US to become more like them, instead of vice-versa. That seems unlikely, considering how much US culture permeates the rest of the world.

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>>34152402
this book is the shit.

i don't know how it's not more talked about.

>>34152663
>Homos and trannies got accepted in less than a decade so it wouldn't surprise me.
you cannot hope to be accepted if you do not communicate your case / arguments
and introverts, by definition, do not do this

I am currently reading this and I am extremely socially autistic, it has helped me so far in online conversations and I feel a little more confident in the minimal social interaction I have in real life. Really helps you get an understanding of the normies (which is useful because I am also legitimately autistic) not some stupid "just do you" bullshit either. Would recommend.

>>34152723
Then we gotta move out in the mean time. Life shouldn't be this painful. It really shouldn't.

>>34152739
Let's keep spreading the word. We are not broken, it's our nature.

>>34152756
This is the age of the internet. Things are changing. Videos and books can be more persuasive and influential than speeches. We have an edge now.

>>34152842
>This is the age of the internet. Things are changing. Videos and books can be more persuasive and influential than speeches. We have an edge now
either way, if i'll be 30 years old by that time, it doesnt even matter
not that introverts will ever be accepted lmao

>>34152842
That guy has a point you know. I don't want to "spread the word", and an activist is the last thing I want to be. I want to be left alone.

>>34152739

I think it's because people are afraid of coming off as a special snowflake like, "Read this book guys! It basically says how introverts are actually the best and that they're underappreciated. I'm an introvert btw."

Also, I'm pretty sure most of the readership were mostly introverts and so it wasn't brought up all that much since they just kept it to themselves.

fuck reading that book. the best way to be comfortable is to make sure their uncomfortable and not you if that makes sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W34wyKZlWQ

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Read this a while back. Interesting stuff. A lot of good advice in there some of it is difficult to remember and remembering to utilize it is even harder.

That book is mostly about persuading people so that you can sell shit to them or manage them as underlings. Not genuine connections.

>>34147019
Yaa like jazz?

>>34146993
The best book I read about social interaction was "Starfish"

>>34148168
It says it works in general, but not with everyone. It says it'll get the best results you could have gotten most of the time.