Why aren't you doing your dream job?

>>34076872
>dream
>job

this is a contradiction in terms. Why would you dream of having a job? A job is something you only do because you need the money. If you didn't need the money, you wouldn't have one.

wait plz i'm still studying to become a judge it takes time not everyone wants to be a porn photographer

>>34076872
because, as my high school counselor put it, there is no realistic demand in todays job market for a masturbating personal shopper.

>>34076900
Life must get boring as a neet with no money.

>>34076941
Seems like a good job, although not a guaranteed one.

>>34077070
Well if we're dreaming then the dream life would be having at least enough money to live on without having to have a job, yes?

Would you really find life intolerably boring without being forced to work in order to feed yourself and keep a roof over your head? You can't think of anything you'd want to do other than labor?

>>34076872
>dream of having a job
Nobody dreams of having a job

>>34077070

where I'm from you do not have to be elected, its just an exam (tough but still an exam) then you got job for life

>>34076872
I get to design video games all day. Life is amazing.

>>34076900
Wagekeks justify being cuckolds by saying things like "if you do what you love you never work a day in your life".

I can buy this for people who create for a living but otherwise people are trying to forget that their lives are literally meaningless

that's why normies always end up deciding to have kids when they are reaching 40 because they realize this and are afraid of dying

>>34076872
i was born in a third world shithole. my dream is to leave and never come back.

>>34077454
>i was born in a third world shithole
Florida?

>>34077434
Even if you create for a living, having to do it to make a living kills the satisfaction of it. Because once it's a job, two things happen. One, you have to keep doing it. You can't decide to stop for a while and pick it up later when you feel inspired. You have to keep doing it since you need the paycheck. Two, you can't just do whatever you want. Your creative impulses are of no consequence. You have to create what the customer wants. You get to create what sells, and that's it.

I enjoy photography, but if it was my job, and I had to go shoot weddings every weekend, I'd throw my camera in a woodchipper.

>>34076900
> Check'em

While you have a point, I see it like choosing the lesser of several evils.

I don't buy this idea that people should have a "passion" and their work should be that passion. It exists, ok. Guy dreaming of being a firefighter, guy deciding to become a priest... but those are an exception.

For most people a dream job is just the job that lets them do what they want on the side (or helps them to get where they want):

> You are an artist and finds a job letting you draw 8 hours a day
> You are a muslim and finds a job which lets you do your daily prayers
> You are a /fit/ guy and finds a job at your local gym

>>34077434
life is work. Men have always had to work and our minds have evolved to get satisfaction from it.

I work for a startup company, and I have personal stake in the success of the company because I've done about 50% of the coding for the project. When I finish a feature, or when an investor meeting goes well, I feel really good about it. When I have a 3-4 day weekend, I get restless about not having my work in front of me, and I spend a lot of my free time researching different libraries that may be of use to our application, just because I want the end user experience to be good enough to attract users, and because I want to make the job of developing it easier so the less experienced coders can be more productive.

I've also worked as a waiter and as a farmhand, retail clerk, and ski lift operator, and I've never been more satisfied than I am now.

>>34077905
>Men have always had to work and our minds have evolved to get satisfaction from it.
I think what you're describing there is called Stockholm syndrome. You've been abused for so long by the necessity to labor that you've come to identify with and defend your abuser.

I'm still in college, I should do my writing homework.

>>34077986
Well personally, I started working when I was 15 when my parents stopped giving me money and told me to make my own, and I like having my own money. Then I got into coding, tried a bunch of times to find folks who would work on a project with me so I could learn from them, got a few temporary experiences and did other work on the side to pay my expenses and buy weed, then I got a coding job that paid really well and stuck.

So I found what I was looking for since I started programming in the high school library. On top of that I can fuck about on the internet a little bit while I work, and listen to podcasts and music, and the less experienced programmers look up to me and ask my advice a bunch so I feel important, and my bosses tell me all the time that they couldn't do it without me. It's all really good feels, even when it's crunch time, because my bosses buy my dinner.

>>34078148
>I started working when I was 15 when my parents stopped giving me money and told me to make my own
Isn't that kinda agreeing with my point? Is there nothing you wished you could have done with your life other than earning a paycheck, which you were forced to do from a young age? If you won the lottery, there's nothing you can think of to do with your life other than work?

This is the origin of the term "wage slave". You don't have any conception of what to do if you were set free, so you fight to keep your chains on.

>>34076872
Because I don't have a dream or a job.

Too scared to fail. I'd rather keep the false hope I think

>>34076872
I got my dream job and I fucking hate it

>>34078273
If I didn't take a wage I'd have to do something to eat. Am I going to live like a dog and beg for scraps or am I going to earn my life like all my ancestors, on my own terms?

>>34076872
My dream jobs (they're very similar) require either a Masters or a doctorate depending on which one I do and I'm still an undergrad.

I don't know what my dream job is. I would've liked to had been a farmer, if I had been born in the right circumstances. Something about honest work, and being out in a tractor all day seems comfy.

My dream "job" is to be a professional racing driver. Problem is that i didn't start racing karts when i was four years old, and even though i do have some experience, at 24 I'm just way too old to start racing at any pro level. Also my family isnt loaded.

Barring that i would love to be a race team mechanic. I almost made it too but i wasn't persistent enough in my ambition. Plus most of the high- level jobs are not in the US.

So it goes...

>>34079425
No, I admit that as a practical matter most people have to work in order to obtain the necessities of life. What I quibble with is your attitude towards it, which you seem to think others should share. It's perfectly justifiable to say "Well, yeah, it sucks that I have to labor in order to live, but there's nothing I can do, so I'll get on with the job so I can take my paycheck and leave to go do something else with my life"

What I find so horrifying is that you seem to think that working is good and righteous independent of its use to earn a paycheck. On the contrary, it would be a good future if, one day, we didn't have to "earn our lives". The fact that people have to earn to live isn't a good thing, its a problem that we should hope some future generation might be free of.

>>34076872
My dream job is to be a neet

my family's not regal

>>34076872
Because I stopped playing baseball in 8th grade because I wasn't good enough.

>>34076872
Money is stopping me, more to the point, the lack of money.

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Once I take up and finish an internship in the summer for photography, I'm moving back to Bosnia to create a documentary. I haven't decided if it's film or photo, but I'll be sure to cite r9k and pol. Keep an eye out. My dream is to become a photojournalist.

>pic related, one of my photos

>>34076872
All I want in a job is one that is relaxing, pays well, and has some challenge to it. I'm planning on becoming an actuary, which could potentially be my dream job, so there's hope!

>>34079877
Sorry to be a dick but your photo is snapshit tier,not a chance in hell anything like that would get published
You have a myriad of technical faults not to mention the dull subject matter, poor composition, and shit framing or lack there of

>>34076872
Because apparently nobody wants to hire me for my dream job.

1) Don't even know what that would be for me
2) Don't have the money to get the qualifications to do it if I did.
Spent five years in college studying to become a teacher. Depression, anxiety, and general stress helped tank my grades and I can't even finish now. Part of me knows I wouldn't have been happy teaching but I don't even know what to do now.

>>34079622
All great things that we enjoy today, that make our lives easier than the ones that lived 100 years ago, were produced by men to whom their work was more than something they did for a paycheck to keep them fed and distracted. The men who invent, disrupt, and change the world have passion for their work, and derive a much greater satisfaction than the masses that benefit from the product of that work.

For you, the something else that you work to allow yourself to do, is wholly separated from the work that enables it. For me, the work and the reason for working are the same. Maybe not 100% the same, the reason for working, for me, is to master my craft, to practice my skill, and later, I expect inspiration to strike, and the ability that I've developed in myself will find a direction and a passion that you'll never have as a part-timer in two distinct realms. Pending that inspiration, I can look at my skills now compared to six months ago and feel pride in my ability, and look forward to the next six months of development.

It does no good to sit idle and hope for a future. Men have to build that future, and the men who will aren't part timers like you. They will be the people with the attitude that horrifies you. If you lived in that future, and in many ways you do already, you would be cursed to live by means of a power within man that terrifies you, while I will respect that power, as it is something that I was able to reach in myself.

>>34079983
I really didn't ask for an opinion. I have no intent publishing any of my personal work that I do in my own free time. How the fuck am I supposed to frame a digital photo on 4chan?

1/10 for making me reply to your shitty bait

>>34080073
I should also add that while the project I'm currently working on isn't born of my own spark of inspiration, it is still a very cool and novel thing that I'm very excited to see coming together. While the idea wasn't mine, and a lot of the legwork done to allow us to start working on it was not my work, the present manifestation of the idea is made in very large part of my work, and every milestone we reach gives me the kind of pride I imagine a parent would feel for his valedictorian child.

>>34080097>wants to do work in image media
>doesn't know basic terminology such as framing
I wasn't baiting you half wit
>personal work
Why are shitters so defensive when people offer critique, god I hate that.
Then show work you would publish and it will be the same snapshit garbage that a Korean tourist would take because you don't understand the language of images.
Read a damn book

>>34080073
> Men have to build that future, and the men who will aren't part timers like you. They will be the people with the attitude that horrifies you.
>If you lived in that future, and in many ways you do already, you would be cursed to live by means...

In a way you're right. We're cursed to be ruled by the ambitious. Ever read one of those history articles that talks about how, 100 years ago, people were predicting that technological advance would lead to a five-hour work week? The people like me that want that can't have it because of the people like you that prefer to devote their lives to labor.

>The men who invent, disrupt, and change the world have passion for their work
You seem to take as given that more disruption and more change are good things. Might we be better served by less of them? Or, for that matter, by change in the opposite direction than where the disrupters and changers are going?

Even leaving all that aside, though. If you have a craft you enjoy, wouldn't you rather do with it what you want, instead of what some customer wants? Surely there have been programs you thought of and wished you could write that you never did, because it wasn't what the market wanted.

>>34080258
>sure anon, not only will I post something that might identify who I am, but also put professional material out on the internet for FREE. Boy, I love getting help from a 400 pound armchair critic that takes pictures from his Samsung!
You can properly fuck off, you're calling my image garbage, not "offering critique". Had you been smart you would've told me what to fix, but I don't take advice from shit flingers anyway.

>>34080390
>you're calling my image garbage, not "offering critique".
Not him, but he definitely gave you some points to go off of

>You have a myriad of technical faults not to mention the dull subject matter, poor composition, and shit framing or lack there of

>>34080390
Telling you how to fix it would be teaching you the fundamentals of visual art, I don't have the time nor the care to do such. I already told you to read a book, that is the best advice anyone can give you.
>put out professional material on the internet for free
Please stop, you have not a single clue what you are talking about. The fact that you haven't done basic research on not only the fundamentals of visual art but also your rights as an artist tells me you do nothing but walk around with a camera and take snapshit
Another way I can you aren't going to make it is that you then say something to insult a certain!Amber of creating art
>Take pictures from Samsung
I've made more money shooting with a pink35 from a drug store than you'll make shooting period. Get fucked scrub

>>34080613
Thanks for the laugh mate, enjoy your cup of ramen noodles on the milk crate you're sitting on

>>34080283
If you want to live in a world where people don't have to labor to survive, then more changes are necessary, because that world has never existed. But the world where nobody has to work would be your goal, and it's not necessarily mine. If you want things to change a certain way, and the disruptors and changers aren't going that way, then you need to become one of them.

As for doing what I want with my craft, I often have ideas for small projects that I work on in my spare time. I made browser extensions that turns youtube videos into gifs and allow you to record audio from <video> elements in html 5 into mp3s. Sort of like those hosted services, but it uses a webworker locally to achieve the goal. I've done some bash scripts to automate some common organizational tasks that I do in my work, and I wrote and optimized a mandelbrot fractal generator for keks.

One thing that I can't do on my own? Maintain server clusters. The app I'm making at work runs on a load balancer with multiple servers that can currently support several thousand concurrent users, and I'm working on ways to support more concurrent users without opening up more servers. I'm doing UX design that I'd never need to do on my own projects because I designed my own projects for my own use. I'm excited to learn all these things that I'd never encounter tinkering with shit by myself. Just like my dad, who was a chemist for a big company. He had access to pretty much any chemical he could imagine in large quantity working for G.E, and he wouldn't have been able to indulge his passion except by working for a company.

Someday, I'll have the resources to run a medium scale application on my own funding, and I'll be able to build that application and make it pay for itself by taking it to market. Without the exposure to all the elements of making that happen where I work today, not to mention the extra money I put aside doing this work, I wouldn't have that ability in a few years.

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>>34080668
>gets proven to be a know nothing
>h..Ha I bet your shit!
Go present your photos to literally any company right now and watch in horror as they laugh in your face.
Fucking shiters lmao
Bet get used to people calling you shit because your disregard for learning will lead you to that and only that
This is a hard fucking industry and shitters get laughed at
>wants to be a photo journalist but can't handle someone telling him he needs to learn
Good luck, you'll need it

>>34078273
having a job is better than being a lonely NEET

by the way you're literally telling him his enjoyment isn't real

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>build business in Detroit
>employ poor people
>have company get big by good business practices (lol idk)
>take home just enough to live comfortably with simple pleasures and a few luxury goods
>my employees make hella dosh
>they look up to me
>my board executives are well paid, but not crazily like today's usual
>make Detroit great again
>I am an 8/10 so I would probably be famous (9/10 with respect and money)
>Every business owner wants to be like me and ride my dick
>wage gap fixed
>lobby state government
>fix public schools
>fix roads
>better urban planning
>make Michigan a better California
>Cali runs out of water
>everyone wants dat h2o
>Every state's government sucking my dick
>everyone in michigan wearing gucci n shit
>literally become an emperor over the new roman empire
>take over politics with my own political party
>everyone loves me 80% popular vote
>become president
>travel world
>China can't compete with America's businesses
>Globalize
>become Lord
>crynogenically freeze myself
>wake up in 4000 AD
>still hailed with devotion
>get immortality
>become Immortal Lord of the Human Race
>Kill everyone besides me, my bros, and lots of bitches
>repopulate the Earth with my seed and my bro's
>Repeat

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>>34080994
>>having a job is better than being a lonely NEET
says you.

>by the way you're literally telling him his enjoyment isn't real
well thats kinda what all three of us are doing. I look at you two's posts and think "Gee, imagine waking up every day with work in front of you, how horrible", and then you two look at my posts and think "Gee, imagine waking up every day without any work in front of you, how horrible".

He's guy three in this picture. Problem being that he sets the curve on the test of life. Employers want only guy three and try to avoid hiring 1 and 2. Eventually 3 is the boss, and he tries to hire only 3s, and so on. Which wouldn't be much of a problem if only 1 and 2 weren't forced to work in order to live.

I don't know if the guy I've been talking to, or you, are like this, but most people I've met who are like guy 3 are enraged at the prospect of some kind of basic-income system. They don't just want to work, they want to force everyone else to work, too.