If you have no natural talent or ability you may think God has

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>natural talent and ability

>>26234450
more like pure nepotism

>no natural talent
>aka why can't I be a master at the piano in 2 weeks

Natural talent still requires work.

>>26234420
pls explain OP, I don't see what you're trying to say.

>>26234541
I know it isn't an excuse but it feels bad when you see all the people who started young and are great by half your age. Gotta keep on trucking tho I suppose.

>>26234541
>Natural talent still requires work.
yup

>>26234675
maybe he's implying that havingt a talent means that you're bound to it forever and all of the connotations that comes with it?

as opposed to being average at everything and doing whatever you want, while nobody expecting anything special out of you.

>>26234541
>>26234693
It requires work to be a master, but it doesn't require much work to be good, or at least, much less work than the average person would put in.
Is what talent means.

>>26234723
>while nobody expecting anything special out of you.
and yet they're still disappointed :/

I can see where you're coming from though. My older sibling has talent so there's less attention on me and my loserdom, she's kind too. I'm glad for her existence although I couldn't tell her that. She's one of the reasons I started trying.

>>26234675
he means that there's no comparison to being naturally talented and working for something. Struggle breeds greatness and the person that achieves his talent through work instead of luck will be more fulfilled and satisfied with his results. its like beating a game with cheats instead of just playing, it will get boring by thw time you reach end of story.

I think if you talked to someone successful and said you wish you were as talented as them they would get mad.
Accomplishments are not usually a result of pure talent.

>>26234420
I have super autism, and make super detail Anime shorts during WW2
I would post some but i dont know how to Webm

>>26234804
>Implying achieving anything has been satisfying in my whole life
Look at him and laugh.

>>26234804
That seems pretty viable too but wouldn't that just mean that the talented person would move on to harder things, that you'd never be capable of even with hard work?

>>26234790
sounds kinda corny, but i'm glad i have an older sibling too.
>I'm glad for her existence although I couldn't tell her that.
why not? I'm sure she'd be happy to hear that.

or are you two not really on good terms

>>26234883
you have never been satisfied with any minor achievement in your life? you sound extremely cynical if that's the case. stop expecting unrealistic things and you might be happier

>>26234982
Because I acknowledged that in the end, it really doesn't even matter.

>>26234934
sure but just being better at something doesn't give you the discipline required to achieve things beyond the reach of normal people. besides there's no reason the average person would be unable to reach the talented person, would just take longer but once you catch up its an even playing field.

>>26235026
!?!?!?! if you acknowledge it (I don't see where you did) then do something about it instead of complaining. unless your happy which you don't seem to be since you've apperantly never been satisfied with yourself.

>>26234790
Same. Both sisters are successful university grads with careers, I'm a wage cuck starting university next year at 25.

Last couple years my mom keeps bringing up grandkids, thankfully I'm 100% left out of the not-so-subtle hints. >>26234790

>>26234804
Not really.
There aren't really skill level caps in real life, a talented person will be able to go further than someone who has to struggle just to get the basics down, and much faster as well.
In fact the person with talent is much more likely to be fulfilled and satisfied at his work than the person without, as the person with talent is able to push the envelopes of what can be done in the subject, or at least achieve a lot with little effort, while the person who can only go off of hard work will forever lag behind struggling and suffering just to keep up ten paces behind the one with talent.

Take playing the piano. I'm sure the person who is able to play 20 songs by the end of a week from just starting would feel much more fulfilled and accomplished than one who is merely able to play "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star" by the end of that week.
What's more is that being talented starts a snowball effect of positive feelings, where the talent person will see a return on his efforts near immediately, while an untalented person will mostly see frustration and stress with only small occasional rushes of accomplishment, causing the positive person to feel happier and happier with thier constant success, which would cause them to stick to it, while the hard worker will require an immense amount of willpower to stick to something he is constantly failing.

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We may all be God, only playing that we are not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH9H7f97AfI

>>26235089
I am unhappy because the world is ruled by evil men and people are dying each day, and I am unable to change anything.
I may be here enjoying my first world life while people are dying in subhuman conditions in chinese pawn shops.
And I can't stop buying those products because I need them to survive.
My sadness comes from realizing the truth.

>>26234541
>playing blops 3 with 7 year old niece
>she's getting a better k/d ratio than me every game
She could be a huge in esports one day, but she only likes shit like minecraft and nintendo ds.

>>26235054
I meant when the talented people get to a hard part so that they start working hard and by being talented and working hard they'd be able to reach levels that you could never.

> there's no reason the average person would be unable to reach the talented person,
in the time it would take to reach the talented person's skill level, you could've already reached an age where your motor skills / body have started to deteriorate.

I disagree as well since some people are born with photographic memory, that's something you can't develop. Sometimes you gotta accept that you'll never reach what others have achieved and focus on what you yourself can try to achieve.

>>26235253
>photographic
>develop
heh

>>26235177
Not that anon, but I couldn't agree more.

>go to med school
>realize you can't help people because of infrastructure

most patients don't realize the raw deal they're getting from the system and are still benevolent to their masters. THey believe treatments to work, when their own unhealthy lifestyle causes their issues. If they were just healthy they could fix a lot of their problems, but hospitals wouldn't make money. The people that need doctors are the poor deprived of it, but there's no money in that. Doctors are just pawns in the insurance/hospital/pharmacy game - and there's so much to fix in so little time. Do I just become hedonistic about it? Should I give up my comforts and live among those that need help? Or do I dedicate my life and efforts to fighting the tide? I don't know anymore but I want to lie down.

>>26234778
>It requires work to be a master, but it doesn't require much work to be good,
R9k logic
Don't try because I don't excel at something straight away

You only become good with work. Talent helps, but you can be just as good in a similar time frame if you try

>>26235177
>And I can't stop buying those products because I need them to survive.
They need you to keep buying those products as well so they get paid. They're stuck in a catch 22. I wouldn't think too much on it, no-one really has a solution to that.

>>26234942
I'd be too embarrassed, I'm not usually the feely type IRL. I prefer to mull over them in private. I make sure to thank her whenever she does something for me though.

I'm gonna brb, on mobile so I will reply to the guys about talent vs accomplisent through hard work in q bit

>>26235477
>The only solution is to ignore it
Good,now that you understand it, you understand why we want to die and we hate this life.
If you want to pretend everything is fine or deluded yourself, good for you.

>>26235177
volunteer at a soup kitchen, work foe nonprofit. you can at least help disadvantaged people near you if you care so much. btw thwre arent evil guys taking whatever they want and ruling the world, wealthy people are people, your not a part of them(neither am I) but you can't just judge them a whole.

>>26235540
It's not about pretending everything is fine, it's focusing on what you have control on.
I could cry and weep for days on end about how the milky-way is on collision course with the neighboring galaxy but what good is it going to do?
Shit sucks for those who may be affected by it but I can't fucking do shit about it so I'm not going to worry about it.
I've got more relevant things to worry about, like survival and people I can actually help.

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>>26235605
I already do charity.
Still we all know that's as useful as painting the outside of a house in ruins.

>>26235661
if you think its useless then stop and do something you think is useful. if you can't then forget it and try to become a person who can do useful things. in the end trying is all you can do so at least do it instead of wallowing in misery.

>>26235743
>Implying I don't do both
It still doesn't help when you are conscious that the whole universe will stop existing at some point.
If I wasn't religious I would have ended myself years ago.

How can you tell if you're a natural at something?

>>26235936
Try it for sometime. If you find it easy compared to others, then you hit the spot.
However not just cause you are talented means that you will be the best. Sometimes you best isn't good enough.

Why? What I want most in life is to be great at something, but I know it's an impossibility at this point.

>>26236005
>talents

few people have that. Beep Beep you missed the boat to develop yourself, and you only have yourself to blame.

I'd rather have no talent. people say I'm talented at playing guitar but the fact is I'm mediocre at best and I'll never reach Django reinhardt or guthrie Govan levels no matter how much I practice

>>26236136
Yeah, all can really do about it now is mope and drink myself to death.

>>26236136
How late is too late?

>>26236241
however late you're willing to deal with it.

I won't say its never too late. Because it can be, given what you want to give up.

Chase your dream now and if you're 30, you may miss out on some other things like family. But what have you got to lose other than your comfort. Then again, the grass isn't greener necessarily. Do what makes you happy.

>>26236241
Your developmental years are really the only period you have to truly gain and improve your skills. Once that window passes, you;re stuck with what you've got.

>>26236279
You still develop before 25, right? Or is that mature brain thing just a meme?
>>26236276
Is 19 a good age?

>>26236279
this, senpai.

Wish I hadn't played so many video games. and procrastinated. But maybe that's not as bad as I'm making it out to be.

>>26236333
Kinda late, but you're not screwed. start now with whatever you were thinking of doing.

Depends on the skill. Developing a work ethic, social skills, learning languages and athleticism - more of a early age thing.

Learning coding and programming is a kind of college thing. Not that you couldn't have learned it before, but specific knowledge is more of a college age thing due to societal structures.

>>26236333
Things like arts and sports begin cultivation at the age of 2 or so.

>>26236361
Piano is what I want to learn but it seems that all the great players started at the age of 5.

>>26236409
well, it'd've been easier for you to learn then, but do you want to just learn it for the hell of it? Go for it. Don't expect to be a master at it, unless you really want to. Then you have to practice all the time. Of course they'll be better given the 15 years of experience on you. But there's always someone better than you. You should still want to learn it, regardless of that. Otherwise, what were you really getting into it for?

>>26236467
I want to learn it so I can feel like I've developed a strong skill. That and I want to jazz jam like hell with others. I understand that there will always be someone better than me, even by a decade, but I only have myself to think about. I get jealous easily but I'm trying my best to tone it down. I live with my parents and have a job. Should I quit just to learn something I may not even be great at?

>>26235339
>Don't try because I don't excel at something straight away
to be fair, a lot of people feel who say this feel that way because that's exactly how it used to work for them. and there are occasional flukes where it still does.

i reupholstered all of my furniture and built a table because i got sick of looking at my living room one day. didn't know a goddamn thing about any of it. now i do it for money occasionally.

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>parents wanted me to have a career in music
>mastered piano, trumpet, guitar, even harmonica by adulthood
>think it's gay as fuck and quit entirely
>want a career in law enforcement instead
>can't hold a gun straight from shaky hands
>suck at sprinting fast from short legs
>high blood pressure
kill me

>>26236526
up to you, bud.

>>26236624
see a physician. if they're that shaky you might have a problem.

manage your blood pressure through diet (avoid salt) and exercise. If need be get some medications. Is it genetic? Do you have diabetes?

That whole 'hard work' thing is a meme. It's literally on the same tier of advice as 'just bee yourself'

If you are born with natural talent AND work hard then you will succeed. If you just work hard it doesn't matter. I played guitar for 10 years and I am still shit at it. I can practice singing all I want I'll never be Pavarotti. I could have spent my entire youth playing football every day but I'd never even be a pro let alone as good as Lionel Messi.

If you aren't born with natural talent then trying at anything is pointless and will just end in bitter disappointment. If you are not talented you just need to do your wageslave job, play video games, watch tv and drink to stop yourself from committing suicide, until you are 70 years old and your heart explodes from all the boozing, sugar and salt and you are no longer of any use to Mr Shekkelstein. That's real life.

>>26236721
>work hard is a meme

that's because 90% of the population has to do that. Few people have natural ability, or at least any that can make them make it in life. I was pretty good at math and puzzles. Whatever that translates to idk, but I didn't use it so it wasted away. You're throwing out artistic stuff, and the same applies to sports - but to some degree hard work will get you through the professional world. That's what people mean.

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>>26236721

100% goddamn true. Life is talent. Those on top see the fruit of their labor and think it applies to the worthless masses. If you fail, the failure is conceptualized not as a admission of inferiority, but a lack of hard work. That way, those on top can feel superior in their position, and those on the bottom can feel only frustrated at themselves and not the world.

Genetics, Genetics, Genetics.

>>26237004
man i doubt it.

I'm a fucking retarded robot in medical school. I busted my ass to be here and others got here by natural ability. We're both here on the same playing field, and they'll surpass me becoming high level specialists, but I'm more than happy to be a generalist with the same degree and decent lifestyle. So genetics has a role, but its not the sole factor.

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>>26237075

Except people don't have dreams of being mediocre. People dream of being Famous artists, NBA stars, Writers, Mathematical prodigies.

You're saying people can be happy if they settle for mediocrity. Many of us will never be able to settle. The dissonance between our factual inferiority and our dreams of greatness will haunt us to the grave. LIFE IS GENETICS. Superior or Not. High IQ or Low. Tall or Short. Your life was inscribed on alternating paths of nucleic Acid.

>>26237184
Oh on that point I totally agree. I'm a mediocre student, who had dreams of being bigger than this. I don't have the fortitude or willpower to be better than this. Maybe if I applied myself, but I don't think I can - which is I guess is all that matters.

So the illusion is shattered. Now what do you do? Settling for mediocrity at least takes the dreams out of the equation, which summed up only to being angry at your inferiority. Its a tough pill to swallow, but its that or work to become something better, which you know you can't do.

That just leaves doing what you can within your own framework. We're mostly all mediocre. I guess you can blame society for giving us all hoop-dreams.

>>26236721
Yeah, no matter how good I get, I'll always pale in comparison to so many others.

>>26237184
It's so much worse when everyone around you is achieving their dreams, and doing genuinely great things. Seeing it only makes me hate myself even more.

>>26237184
>>26237407
>and doing genuinely great things.

Who is doing great things? And why should you care? What are these things and why do you admire them?

Though another way to derive solace is to be okay with your mediocrity by ceasing to compare yourself to others.

Why are you even concerned with others and society? You're measuring yourself against them, but they're a part of society that seeks to parasitize your accomplishments and labors? If you disengage from it, what does it hold over you any longer?

>>26234723
>being average at everything

You're giving me too much credit kek

>>26237458
>Who is doing great things?
My friends and and family.
>And why should you care?
Because they're my friends and family, and some of the thing they're doing are among my greatest aspirations. I don't resent them for it; hell, I'm even rooting for them. It just helps to remind me how much of a failure I am.
>What are these things and why do you admire them?
Attending prestigious universities, getting fancy jobs, partaking in research, getting published, becoming educated and skilled in the things they're passionate about etc. It's hard not to care when you constantly see those around you getting the things you've wanted out of life since you were a child.

>>26238048
I can understand that.

Keep working at it. what else can you do? For me, all that stuff is hollow. Its a nice rush, and it feels okay in the moment, but then I yearn for freedom from it, and those obligations.

Weirdly, I coveted it like you did, though I thought it was passion, howeverI might've been mistaken.

>>26239265
I suppose that's all I can do, but I just don't know how to make it from my current position. My failures seem too great for me to recover from them.