STEM Is Bullshit & Here Is Why

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cont.

Now, there are about 2,000,000 bachelors degrees awarded each year

2,000,000/10,000 = 200

200 x the number that graduate in whatever major you're looking at to get the real number

now if we look back at how many people are actually graduating EACH YEAR with BACHELORS degrees in these fields...

>CS = 48,600
>Biology = 41,200
>EE = 33,600
>ME = 26,400
>Math = 18,200
>CivE = 16,600
>Chemistry = 12,800
>CompE = 9,800
>ChemE = 8,600
>IE = 6,800
>Physics = 5,000
>AeroE = 3,000

I happen to think that you all have no idea what you're talking about.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/264547519/WIW2-FullReport

You're fucking retarded, what makes something oversaturated isn't just the number of degrees given out, it's also the number of job opportunities. The reason why stem is the way to go is because the number of job opportunities are growing.

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>>25464348
>"i'm in STEM and just got my world fucking destroyed"
it's okay, don't take it out on me.

>>25464471
Ok senpai :^) you're right if you get a stem degree you're fucked.

>>25464348
>The reason why stem is the way to go is because the number of job opportunities are growing.
no, they aren't.

look at any of these
http://www.bls.gov/ooh/architecture-and-engineering/home.htm

http://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/home.htm

all of them match an over-saturation over the next decade.

>not having successful family members who can get you high paying jobs without having a degree or even needing to apply

it's like you enjoy being failures I know I do

>>25464844
>not just starting a business from your dorm room and then quitting university because it's actually a waste of your time to not put all of your time into your business that is taking off
lol

>>25464233

It's cool mate us destitute military boys steal your smart girls anyway. they don't care for smart boys or rich boys unless you're chad

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>>25464893
wtf are you even saying nigger

>not going to trade school
Think you're too good? Want to write the great american novel?
Blue collar workers built your world and cucksheds, losers.

>not learning a trade

Making great money as an apprentice (no debts whatsoever, coming out of school in the black) and my boss is struggling to find someone to start at 26/hr because they're so few and far between and can find better money elsewhere

Not to mention skills that are useful to people, around the house, working on cars, DIY projects, etc

STEM a shit

>>25464943
>>25464968
but you're absolutely 100% disposable, so nobody wants to be disposable.

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Why doesn't the government just make more jobs like they print money?

>>25464915

what im saying is that arguing over degrees is stupid because the difference between them is arbitrary. it's petty arguing over 5k a year becauss you're still busting your arse in a job that demands a lot. Saying that, you are not the amount of money you earn and your are not the company you work for.

in the eyes of the public, a military boy is valiant and brave, whereas doctors and engineers are spergy and nerdy.

>>25465022
because they wouldn't be worth anything you dumb fucker

>>25464982

>implying

Trying to find someone who will know all the shop specific stuff, locations of tools around the place, getting used to the sort of jobs we do and getting quicker and more efficient, etc isn't worth firing someone.

They would have to retrain even a journeyman for over a year before he's even up-to-par at the shop I work at.

So no, it all depends on where you work.

>>25465039
lol you're a dumb ass who had no future and had no choice but to go to the military or work at walmart. shut the fuck up faggot

Trades are good for around 20 years of your life before you suffer permanent damage to your back, and wrists. Before that point you need to build a network so you can make a business by the time that point comes along, otherwise your fucked.

ALL jobs will be over-saturated. This is a natural result of automation and robotics getting better and better. Less people will simply be needed to run the world. Get ready for a feudal future, kids.

>>25465070

I worked in the chemical industry mate, you don't even need a degree to join at around 18 in the UK through apprenticeships. it's true. no need to brag about 5K a year, you make yourself look insecure

>>25465171

You write like some of those chemicals got into your brain, Nigel.

>>25465197
This is the first thing idiots like you do when you can't argue anymore.

>>25465084

>learn to lift stuff properly
>eat good
>exercise outside of work

voila, permanent injuries avoided

but you're right, a lot of people i work with have injuries because they didn't look after themselves

>>25465197
It's Trevor, actually.

>>25465197

Nigga im on the Internet I don't need to type with full grammar. im not trying to prove myself to burnout education fags

>>25465249
>>25465285
>>25465271

Holy shit, are there three of you sharing a computer? I didn't know England was THAT poor...did refugees use up all your computer time?

Dumbasses, this is why Im studying to become an English professor. Teachers will always be needed, regardless of what advances we make.
Sciences are always advancing, engineering will always change and develop.
But I will be in a job that has perpetual demand, because the language must still be taught

>>25465312
lmao fucking rekt
>>25465335
we're talking about saturation. english is literally in the top 10 you dumb faggot

>>25465312

you don't have a relevant argument bro

>>25465356
Yeah, but I still will be in demand, especially with the current highschool grads being brainwashed to aim for stem

>>25465335

I am >>25464968

I was working out with a guy who was an English teacher internationally.

He was in Korea. He pretty much said you don't even need to know Korean because they are required to speak English and nothing else in your classroom, and Korea in general is english-friendly enough.

He also said it's just one gigantic party/orgy between all the foreign english teachers.

I'd go that route if I were you, instead of dealing with the edgy teens you see on here in a NA/EU high school

>>25465356
Hey you jackass, "WE'RE" not talking about saturation. YOU are.

Saturation is not happening in anyway. It's a fucking myth like your girlfriend

>>25465399
>not wanting to go to public school just to whip millenials into shape
>not wanting to btfo their leftist arguments on anything
for shame familia

>>25465447
>post actual proof all over OP
>"lol nope"

You're at the mental level of a creationist.

>>25464982
Not as disposable as a barista with a fem studies degree or an oversaturated stem cuck.

>>25465492
STEM degrees are much more useful than a trade license, sorry tradesboy. it's how you even have a fucking job, genius.

>>25464943
>>25464968
Kek
how can someone be so devoid of self esteem. Do you think working as welder,plumber or some odd job guy command any respect ?

Such people are nothing but the bottom rung of society. Think about what will your son feel like when you tell him that you are a fucking plumber or some shit.

Seriously being NEET is better.

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>getting STEM degree
>realize I still have to network to get a job

>>25465530
yes you and the thousands of other fucks who have them, what will you do? Go get a job as a doctor? In the US? Aint happenin m8

>>25465530

STEM faggots are burnouts. Highly stressful work for people who've been indoctrinated to think it's worth it. Enjoy getting lost in a corporation that won't know you exist

>>25465587
See>>25465600
desu sempai

>>25464233
>long convoluted "actshualleee" post
>about what program you take in college
Maybe 50 years ago this would have mattered? I don't know what your point is. Take any degree you want, just meet cool people and work hard. I got a bio degree that no one takes seriously but still got a job 2 weeks after graduating with a 50k salary. It's not even required that you know any science shit for science work because everything is done by computers and machines. Half of my "work" is just looking up articles or signing papers and the other half is moving glass tubes around.

>>25465587
I'm already a robot, I'm already the lowest of the low regardless of what career I have.

>>25465793
>attests to industry standard science being able to be preformed by a monkey
Jesus help us all

Actual STEM grad here. Unless you have an MS or a PHD you will be paid shit and you will be competing with H1B visa bullshit

>>25464233
>accounting
>nursing

>basically bullshit degrees

You can't be older than 16.

> merchant navy marine engineer by trade
> retraining in chemical engineering

Gonna get a shit hot degree with a tidy well paid office job and if it doesn't work out go back to sailing and being a fucking sailor.

>>25465959
fuck jesus. im just saying you don't need any education or background to work in the industry. i had almost all genetics and math courses, but got a tech job in microbiology. then with no understanding of how antibodies work, i got a job in immunology research.

at the top levels most people are still confused as fuck and if you are a bookworm you'll have an even easier time getting great positions.

>>25466106
my point still stands that most of it can be done by some smart programming and a monkey

>>25465587
this. i'd rather be a fucking robot than some trade shit head

go to university for a technical skill, and start a business from your dorm room (online, whatever)

continue business after you graduate. there, you now have a good degree, experience in your degree, from your own business of 1+ years

you literally couldn't do any better

The truth is every field is saturated, by getting an engineering/cs degree or something you give yourself a better chance to make it either as an engineer or other white collar job. Also barrier to entry, I studied chem E and applied math, I know that engineering and math profs will continue their duty in weeding out the general populace to prevent it turning into business.

>>25466262
...but looking at the OP, that isn't as true as you'd like to think.

>>25465335
You could be replaced by a dictionary m8

>>25466217
This desu familia
though Id drop the technical degree down to a few classes and find something that you enjoy.
suggestions include education in a different language, anything AP, and Lit.

>>25466363
Do tell me when you read and understand Hamlet by yourself, and diagram a sentence.
Is it possible to learn on ones own? yes
Will the common populace do so? no

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>>25466365
shut the fuck up dumb ass. you're not going to do fucking anything with your three language classes or your literature shit. you take a technical degree, apply the shit you're learning in your business

and fucking boom you FUCKING IDIOTS, EXPERIENCE, SIDE PROJECTS

EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE A BUSINESS WHEN YOU GRADUATE, YOU WILL HAVE EXPERIENCE AND EXTRA CURRICULAR ACTIVITY THAT EMPLOYERS WILL LET YOU SHIT IN THEIR MOUTH IF YOU LET THEM HIRE YOU

just fuck you amateurs

>>25466584
Then do so and be happy man, was just makin a suggestion. no need for you rectal enragement

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>>25466633
OKAY YOU KNOW WHAT THAT'S IT

>>25466664
what is it satan?

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>>25466217
>>25466584
the only smart thing i've ever read in any thread ever created on 4chan about university/careers/majors/degrees ever.

stempai

>>25467625
gone forever

>>25464233
Lol

>stem is oversaturated!!!
>proceeds to show that business degrees are just handed out over everything else

I'm not even in engineering anymore, but you are dumb as shit OP

>>25464868
Not everyone has good business ideas, most businesses fail :( I wish I had a good business to start off of.

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>>25466363
>M8

Fucking Australians make me lose my sides everytime.

>>25467846
It really, really doesn't fucking matter anon. The fact that you even try is huge on a resume. It's way more impressive than any internship you'll ever get if it's successful in any fucking way whatsoever.

>Falling for the university meme
>Not learning to operate mining equipment and making 200k a year with no student debt
>Not getting a trade and making 100k a year with no debt

It's like you enjoy getting memed

>>25468067
>100K a year
you make 45K average as a tradesman lmao shut the fuck up maymayman

>>25468119
Oh yeah I forgot most of you are American

>>25468119
>average

You realize that is a mid-line, right? If you are flexible and willing to relocate, you can find a spot that does offer $100k jobs for trades quite easily. Most tradesfucks are normies who decided to spawn diseased maggot children with their whores and cannot move to a better location to take advantage of the better money.

>>25468264
stop acting like you're more than average.

>>25468296
Ah, you are retarded. Sorry man, I didn't realize it at first. Hope your mother has a fresh change of diapers ready for you over the coming week.

>>25468394
>I'm a tradesboy and annoyed that you're telling me facts about my choice
just shut up

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>>25468457
>projecting this hard
>thinks he has facts

The best thing to do is to get a CHAD degree that also is kind of scientific

E C O N O M E T R I C S

econometrics is literally the best degree of them all, very unknown but you can make fucking BANK with it

>>25465793
>other half is moving glass tubes around

Your mom must be proud of you, Mr. tube arranger.

>>25468457
>Doesn't work in the trades
>Thinks he has the facts
Let me break it down for you. If you want to make good money in the trades you go where the work is, for a journeyman $40.00 an hour is pretty reasonable when work is in demand.
Usually you can get free company housing or motel or camp, and a rotating shift where they will fly you back home on your days off.

If you want to make insane money become a safety officer, but those jobs are highly sought and competiton is fierce.

>>25468510
>>25468621
So, you actually want me to post a google search link to what the average trade shit head makes in a year?

>>25468621
>having no life to get an extra $5 an hour
lmao you morons

>>25468644
See
>>25468264

Is reading comprehension that hard for you? I thought you were a unifag?

>>25468702
you're implying that You will ever do that, though.

what about biochemistry

I just study for fun, I don't really care about getting a job.
Chemistry is fun, what more can you ask for?

>>25468644
>you actually want me to post a google search link

Ahh, so you fell for the "median wage" meme, especially since Google spits out a number, you listen to it like a little sheep.

Enjoy debnts and no job.

>>25468737
>Implying I don't already
>Implying I don't work with laborers with no education who get flown in and out and get put up in motels.

It really isn't hard to get into, you could drop out of uni right now and get into the trades and it would be the best career choice of your life, but your cognitive dissonance won't allow it I'm sure.

>>25464893
>People in the military cucking well-adjusted, non-PTSD civilian men

It's opposite day!

>>25466416
this so much

teachers/professors are there to provide insight that you cannot provide on your own.

yeah, you could always go to a library. but will you? fuck no. where would you even begin? why would you assume that you have the power to teach yourself advanced topics?

>>25464717
those IT jobs you listed are retard tier jobs. My current company has those exact positions and half those people don't have more than a cert they got online. Fuck off.

There will always be jobs for engineers. Stay buttmad faggots.

>>25464233
College in general is a scam. The entire point of college is to keep you out of the workforce, that's the reason you don't start your major in your first year and instead classes like "Introduction to the art of some random group in history 101" exists.

>>25469270
>implying everyone went for a retarded degree at a retarded liberal arts college

I never had single course that didn't pertain to my major, and those I would have to take, I took in high school as AP classes.

>>25469270

>Universities give half a fuck about who is in the workforce, besides their own graduates which makes them look good

>>25464233
i told a normies sister that degrees a useless, and her brother got mad at me for saying that lmaooooo

>>25469352
so where do you work wagecuck

If you take the proper steps to succeed (interships/ co-ops, certifications) get decent grades and pick a non-retarded major, you will get a job after college and succeed. This kid of "Hurrrr STEM is bullshit" talk came out of the stinking sewers of business majors when I went to college.

>>25469437
I got my computer engineering degree and now work for a company as there in-house app dev

I majored in mechanical engineering. I got a job straight out of college and so did everybody else I know from my university except for one retarded faggot who couldn't even be bothered to wash his hair and put on a suit for career fair.

>>25469474
There you go. Even with a highly popular engineering field like mechanical. These faggots are assblasted beyond all recognition that they wasted money on a degree that they put no effort in to. You can't just say get a random degree within the STEM field and expect to have a job.

>>25469473
do you enjoy it, how long you been working there?

>>25464717
By the way, you gave us the number of jobs and that are specific only to the respective STEM field, but you did not mention that a STEM graduate can be accepted into jobs not specialised. Most people do not do work associated with their degree.

A STEM graduate has a much better chance of if employment than a non-STEM one. Face it. Employers know STEM grads had to go through intensive maths, problem solving and abstract ideas, and they are far more likely to be smart than a non-STEM grad as a result of their specialised training.

>>25469711
4chan is kinda like reddit

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>>25464233
> stay mad liberal arts fag

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> business management at top

>>25469706
I mean the work isn't as rewarding as say, AI research, but I solve problems and create useful programs for employees. I graduated last year, so just around a year.

>>25469540
>You can't just say get a random degree within the STEM field and expect to have a job.

You can't say that about any field. If you half-ass everything, people are going to notice and nobody will want to work with you. I recruited engineers at a career fair at my alma mater once and it turns out it's really easy to detect somebody who doesn't give a fuck.

EVERYONE HAS BEEN TROLLED EVERYONE HAS BEEN TROLLED EVERYONE HAS BEEN TROLLED EVERYONE HAS BEEN TROLLED EVERYONE HAS BEEN TROLLED EVERYONE HAS BEEN TROLLED EVERYONE HAS BEEN TROLLED EVERYONE HAS BEEN TROLLED EVERYONE HAS BEEN TROLLED EVERYONE HAS BEEN TROLLED EVERYONE HAS BEEN TROLLED EVERYONE HAS BEEN TROLLED EVERYONE HAS BEEN TROLLED EVERYONE HAS BEEN TROLLED

>>25469796
>>25469352
Natural sciences and mathematics are literally a part of liberal arts, fucking /pol/tards.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts_education#Modern_usage

>hurr it has liberal in it! liberal bad!

Well, I'm already balls deep into my CS degree, so I don't really give a shit at this point.

>>25468264
Yeah go move and get $100k job. Only problem is, that place where you can get an $100k job also has really fucking high living expenses despite being in the middle of nowhere

>>25470232
That's why you get camp or motel or company housing provided.
You get live out allowance to cover other expenses as well, the lowest I've seen was $40.00 a day.

>>25468621
>living in the company barracks
Do they pay your ass in scrip too?

>>25470434
Company housing is when they rent a house and you get a bedroom.
In camp you get a private bedroom and washroom and as much free food as you want.
Camps employ a full kitchen staff headed by a chef, they cater to dietary needs as well such as vegan or halal if requested
But whatever helps you sleep at night m8.

>>25469711
>A STEM graduate has a much better chance of if employment than a non-STEM one. Face it. Employers know STEM grads had to go through intensive maths, problem solving and abstract ideas, and they are far more likely to be smart than a non-STEM grad as a result of their specialised training.
This statement is such nonsense I don't know where to begin. Your boss cares about competence, and so might his boss, but the next guy up probably doesn't. By the time you get to the top, the only thing they care about is shareholder value, so while your training might be better, you're competing against guys from India who can code bulk modules at a tenth the price actually in India, and maybe only half the price here, and they're not saddled with six figure debt starting out.

Most STEM jobs are non-professionnels, meaning that you're not going to be working autonomously like a lawyer or a teacher or a nurse. If you're going to be competitive, it takes a lot more than just a bachelor's in something technical, you need to have something practical to back that up, that is, a reason they should hire an expensive American that commands a high salary because he's drowning in debt not having worked a day in his life against an Indian who is sending money home at half your base pay who has five years experience in the field.

You just can't compete.