>>24051258 Cause i like in shitty apartment where are the neighbors are rats cause if you report a posative marijuana sting you get 50 bucks off your rent. Because a lot of dealers used to live in the area.
So my mom send me edibles every now and then but not often enough.
>>24051298 I greatly prefer heroin but its 3x as expensive to use every day, and thats with no tolerance. So I smoke because I'm a povo. And lol OP why did you think this was threadworthy. After a few years you wont meet people just to smoke, and smoking wont be an event. It will be basically be a cup of coffee that makes you slow and dumb
>>24051438 Weed dosen't impair me too much. I smoke it on a friday night like tonight, and I am fine by Saturday afternoon at the absolute latest, and ready to start a new week. Its just something to break up the monotony
>>24051526 What, do you think I own my own place? I cant smoke at home my parents would kill me. Besides, I tried it once and it was shit. So boring. I love it up there, theres fresh air, the stars in the sky as its fairly far from the city, then you can go for high adventures around the neighbourhood.
>>24051584 yeah I have had rare opportunities to do that, and I like the safety of being at home where no one can bother you, makes you less paranoid. But walking around empty streets at night makes you feel so thug, call me a degenerate if you will, but its exciting in a way. You become that scary creepy guy you see creepin around at night, and its a good feel. Can't explain it.
>>24051701 I guess its just the way I percieve things when I am high, and the fact that its the general aesthetic of a lot of rappers I like, pic related from my last reply included. Not to mention that I just generally like changes in scenery when I am high, and I love the apperance of trees at night, the street lights make them look like they are made of crystal
>>24051628 Life is too short to not take it seriously.
>>24051635 Nonsense. If you're going to argue, 'your choices and priorities in life (e.g. whether to spend my time productively or lazying about) depend solely on yourself', you're ignoring drugs' power to alter them, essentially believing that they are immaterial, somehow immune to chemical change. And if you're going to say the changes in behaviour are 'negligible', you're just trying to arbitrarily minimize my concern. It's irrational either way.
>>24051737 In short, 'drugs are safe, you just need to be a responsible user' is disallowing any meaningful discussion a priori, because it literally narrows the subject to 'hey, let's discuss drugs' effects on behaviour, except under the stipulation that there's going to be no harmful consequences in the first place'. It's a farce. 'It's safe as long as it's safe.'
>>24051737 Jesus you're autistic. You're probably the one person in this thread who should be smoking it the most.
Clearly you've never smoked if you got it in your head that you just turn into a potato forever once you down a bowl. If you're gonna be an unmotivated loser, and you also smoke weed, you're just picking your poison to accompany that really. Yes, if you smoked CONSTANTLY you obviously wouldn't be able to do much with your life, but if you have any sort of mental strength you will not become addicted to weed. I smoke once a week, tonight, Friday night. I work a 45 hour week doing an apprenticeship, I drive my own car a very long distance to my trade school, and I am performing well. I am not some degenerate. But the idea of weed isn't to "self-improve" per say, although I've found it improves my life. It allows me to have some downtime from the world, to just let time wash over me with absolute disregard. Having downtime is good for you, no? It just breaks up the boredom of daily life.
Plus, again, the silly implication that there's no room for cannabis to impair your motivation slightly, instead dichotomizing that it's either being absolutely unaffected or becoming a complete slacker. It is obviously not.
You're speaking of dosage; but saying 'it's safe as long as it's safe' betrays that you're not willing to discuss the consequences of any of the doses on behaviour such as short-term drive or long-term choices, instead terminating the discussion by implying, 'they won't be affected as long as you don't let the drug affect them'. It's a non-point; it's not even false.
>Nothing in real life is a priori.
This was exactly my point. I want to unearth and discuss the connections between drugs and behaviour; you're a priori dismissing such discussion.
>>24051898 I'm not that guy, but let me sum it up for sperglords like you:
1. Tobacco and Alcohol are legal 2. Cannabis is 'controversial'. 3. Tobacco and Alcohol have killed millions upon millions of people, health wise and through accidents. 4. Cannabis has been proven to stimulate brain cell growth, fight certain types of cancer, and it works as a natural anti-nausea.
While inhalation of burning plant matter is never healthy for you, there's a lot of data to back up my claims. There's absolutely no reason it shouldn't be legal and taxed in the same way that alcohol or tobacco is. Especially given the propensity of danger associated with the two, already legal, substances.
>>24052218 This reasoning is flawed. You're comparing alcohol and tobacco's civilizational effects after they have been legalized and widespread to cannabis' when it has yet not. I see no reason the increase in adoption of the latter after legalization should not be manifold.
>>24052289 >>24052218 Plus, you're only considering physiological benefits and dangers, disregarding psychological ones, such as direction of interests or conscientiousness. This is because it's easy to shift the responsibility for the latter on the users themselves, 'it's not the drug, it's the users' choices'.
>>24052289 >You're comparing alcohol and tobacco's civilizational effects after they have been legalized and widespread to cannabis' when it has yet not.
Ignoring the fact that this is a sentence fragment, alcohol prohibition birthed some of the United State's most notorious villains. I'm sure you know who this guy is? He's a product of Alcohol prohibition. Hundreds of people died, and hundreds of thousands were arrested for drinking alcohol or owning an establishment that served alcohol. There were people who were killed in automobile accidents from drunk driving as early as 1906. Ultimately, prohibition against it stopped because, to put it bluntly, there was no possible way to stop people from drinking.
The consumption of alcohol impairs your motor function as it forcibly relaxes your muscles. Unlike cannabis, which does not impede you or enter your blood stream, it's operative function is entirely different. Actually, cannabis has more in common with coffee than alcohol.
>>24052320 >you're only considering physiological benefits and dangers, disregarding psychological ones, such as direction of interests or conscientiousness. This is because it's easy to shift the responsibility for the latter on the users themselves, 'it's not the drug, it's the users' choices'. Actually, if we were to talk about the psychological properties of cannabis and how it effects people, it's rather simple. It's been proven to help people with PTSD (think war veterans) cope with their reality. This drastically reduces the suicide rate amongst soldiers who return home and effectively helps them reintegrate into society.
>such as direction of interests or conscientiousness The only person who directs your interest is yourself. A person can be entirely conscientious when they're not consuming the substance, but the same can be said for most substances, especially alcohol.
>>24052441 >there was no possible way to stop people from drinking
I am not convinced that consumption of cannabis would not increase after legalization.
The fact that alcohol is physically harmful renders it rather unambiguously a vice; there is no danger of people becoming convinced that it is good for you. That's not the case with weed, whose 'relaxing' properties can easily be sold (literally) as beneficial.
>It's been proven to help people with PTSD (think war veterans) cope with their reality. This drastically reduces the suicide rate amongst soldiers who return home and effectively helps them reintegrate into society.
That it helps a tail of a curve, e.g. in terms of desolation, doesn't mean it's going to help the whole population. You wouldn't use chemotherapy on a healthy person.
>A [user] can be entirely conscientious when they're not consuming the substance
Hypothetical cases which display no impairment by definition are irrelevant.
>The only person who directs your interest is yourself.
Belief in free will might truly be the biggest obstacle to discussion of social policy. It is vital that we eradicate it.
>been smoking every day for the past month of so >barely does anything, can light up and be at work within an hour operating heavy machinery through tight bends >too weak to abstain long enough for my tolerance to go down
How long must I wait? I've heard dedicated stoners do month on month off patterns. Do I really have to wait an entire month to get back to actually getting high?
>>24052704 I preach about drugs and alcohol being bad and how people shouldn't do them, but then I eat hot pockets and drink pop every day, taking in just as much garbage and probably damaging myself more than a casual weed smoker
>>24052704 This is like saying 'there is no such thing as a stupid person, it's all about the number of stupid and smart choices they make'.
It's possible to superficially undefine the term 'stupid' this way, sophistically 'proving' that stupidity doesn't exist, because it's up to the individual to behave stupid and smart at their discretion. But this won't affect the reality of differences in intelligence.
Similarly, you might undefine the concept of dangers of drugs, saying 'every drug/every user is different' and 'it's up to your individual choices'. But at the end of the day, the consequences of use will transpire anyway, visible for all.
>>24052783 look what im tryin to say is that everything you can eat/drink/smoke/putinyouranus can kill you it just depends on how much you take sure drugs are worse but if you have commonsense15 installed and dont overdo it, it wont affect you too much except krokodil, youre fucked if you take that
It's the problem of 'what do you mean, I'm being too relaxed? I'm being exactly as relaxed as I should, it's you who're overwrought and can't let go of things, you need to smoke one time'. At which point of conflict of definitions one inevitably has to look at the broader social context: is a society (ranging from a circle to a state) in which cannabis and other drugs are legal educated? hard on crime? technologically advanced?
I know a group of people who live in the moment, don't engage in meaningless social chatter, are extremely focused on what occupies them, and are soft-spoken and don't bother other people, while at the same time being self-critical and aware of their limitations.
It's suicidally depressed people.
It's all about the presentation. It's trivial to present positives while obscuring the negatives. Does cannabis make you less ambitious, less argumentative, less critical?
>>24053206 >I know a group of people who live in the moment, don't engage in meaningless social chatter, are extremely focused on what occupies them, and are soft-spoken and don't bother other people, while at the same time being self-critical and aware of their limitations.
That doesn't come close to describing most suicidally depressed people. Most suicidally depressed people are a fucking wreck who can't focus on shit or get motivated to do anything and have deep delusions about themselves and are way too self-critical.
>Does cannabis make you less ambitious, less argumentative, less critical? Cannabis does the opposite of this. It's well known for making people more creative and therefore more argumentative and critical of conventional thinking.
>>24053350 >have deep delusions about themselves and are way too self-critical
This was my fucking point. It's possible to state only the convenient part of the truth: to omit the 'delusions' and 'too' parts.
>Most suicidally depressed people are a fucking wreck who can't focus on shit or get motivated to do anything
I have never been suicidal or depressed, but I remember a period that I looked up suicide methods down to fabric of ropes used in long drop hanging, exit velocity of blackpowder guns, and acidity of juices with which to accelerate release of hydrogen cyanide in the stomach. I'd reckon that genuinely suicidal people would be even more motivated when it comes to this.
I feel the only psychoactives worth spending money on are dissociatives along with the occasional sheet of acid.
>>24053188 Weed withdrawal is a bitch but it only lasts a day or two at most. You probably will never feel it unless you graduate to full stonerhood and smoke copious amounts daily... and then your supply gets dry or you run out of cash.
>>24053456 In fact, just gave http://forum.grasscity.com/seasoned-tokers/402645-weed-revelationsrealizations-thread.html a read.
Needless to say, it is the first Goole result for >weed realizations, because the social consquences of a drug are its most common ones.
Essentially, it is the old 'the system is oppressing us' paranoia, plus the old 'some things cannot be communicated' and 'it's all connected'. Even if it passes for critical thinking, it is definitely not creative.
>>24053638 One recurring point of interest is their preoccupation with and delight in 'realizing how insignificant everything really is', except for emotions. I seem to be alone in suspecting its power to affect life decisions.
>>24051258 >need to get a good job >can't stop smoking weed to pass a drug test to get said job Unfortunately, this shit has been going on for a while now. Any advice? To anyone that made it, once you got the job, did you go back to weed?
>>24054540 You know they sell synthetic urine for that at head shops. I bet more advanced screens can detect it, but I've seen plenty of people use it effectively. The trick is ensuring it is around body temperature when its time to piss. Pretty sure they're not allowed to look at your dick unless its court-mandated piss tests.
I used to get high every day. I felt like I always had the ability to immediately make my day feel a little bit better, like this trump card in my pocket.
Now though, every time I smoke, I get tripped out and it feels like my breathing is all fucked up. It feels like I'm not getting enough oxygen and I have to keep taking deep breaths. Also, my heart always feels fucked up when I get high, I'll want to put my hand on my chest and it's a strange feeling in the left side of my chest and my left shoulder/arm.
I wish I could go back to enjoying it, though. Drinking all the time is way shittier.
>>24051258 i smoke because we are like 12 people and then play poker and just have a great time, laughter because some get to stoned and forgets to check cards, the connection we get when we're stoned is much more fun then normal
can any anons relate to me? story time Ive been smoking weed for about 4 years, im 18. When i first started i loved it and slowly began to dislike it because my highs would almost everytime be extreme in some negative way like body tingling real hard feeling like im burning, or i wouldnt stop twithcing etc..it also made me depressed when sober. Time passes began to like weed again..come 17 start to go hard of party drugs mostly MDMA and speed and ever since then whenever i get high i just become very depressed,anxiety attacks, paranoid and just socially awwkard and OVERTHINK everything Ithis is all high an lesser when sober)it sucks but yet...i smoke everyday normally the first 20 mins of the session im happy an normal then that happens..does anyone know why this happens? idk why i still smoke weed every day i still love it in a weird way
>>24055314 i feel like i didnt do my high explantion justice..sometimes its so intense its like im in a psychosis or some shit i feel schizphrenic and almost every time fall into the mindset im crazy and fucked ein the head..can anyone relate to me?
Some of you people are posting results that really should not happen with plain weed unless you have some kind of weird condition. Maybe your source is lacing it with amphetamines and such, that's a growing problem these days (according to the ponine anyways).
Personally, I find highness actually drastically increases my social anxiety, and usually for days. Beer is the opposite. I like to say "Solo weed, social drink."
>>24055314 Happened to me, happens to A LOT of folks as I see this question posted on 420chan a lot. My advice? Quit blazing for a long time. Try to quit all drugs. Then if you want buy a single gram every couple months and smoke small amounts at a time. Like, really small amounts so you don't get too high. I find the negative effects come from being too high and getting confused and overthinking, which leads to feelings of anxiety for me at least.
>>24055404 yeah man 2 or so years ago i could smoke 3 grams to myself and just feel uplifted an happpy but not real fucked up just normal high..now i hit the joint a couple times and i feel like im border psycho like a piece of glass about to brake..i smoke everyday still i dont get it im trying to stop cos i know i HAVE to im really losing my mind fuck
>>24056055 m8, im slim af and been smoking more than snoopy dawg. I still get high (maybe not AS high as i used to but i still get high). so what you're agreeing to is bullocks.
i will give anons advice tho, this shit will make u think its okay to chill out all day and do nothing. even if u are doing something on a daily basis, the efficiency level is not ideal. when u do decide its time to take a break, you will have urges to smoke which affects u. If you're motivated enough u can beat the addiction. i think the addiction is real if you do solo smoke, social smoking is a diff story tbqh and im gonna say its okay
Yeah, I can relate. Very similar story actually, after doing MDMA and lots of angel dust, smoking weed turned to shit.
I would get just like you when I smoked. Weed would basically give me social anxiety and I would overthink every little thing I did or that someone said to me. When I was high on pot, I would have a really negative view of myself. I would think about bad shit that could happen, and become really anxious and self-conscious. I hated the way it made me, because I had become a semblance of what /r9k/ would call a "Chad."
After that, I only smoked from time to time if I was already drunk or fucked up on something else, and a couple of months before I turned 21 I got addicted to heroin and almost fucked my life up irreparably. Right before I turned 22, I got into a bunch of legal troubles and had to quit drugs and alcohol for 2 years.
When I finished all of that bullshit, I tried smoking pot again. I don't do hard drugs anymore and I rarely smoke pot. It's usually only a few hits off a joint when I'm already buzzed from drinking. Like another anon said, small amounts I'm fine, I just can't get too high.
>>24058415 I don't fucking know man,first time I did it it was just like a regular cig(I don't smoke),no effects. Second time I held the fucking smoke in my lungs like 15 seconds and it worked better,third time the same.
Should I try it one more time and see where it takes me now?
>>24051258 Used to smoke weed. Dumbest thing I ever did. But when you're a poor autist all the street kids like to fuck with you and just see how screwed up you can get. After four years of daily smoking I lost my autist powers of obsession with computers and memorizing classic games. I lost everything I was to weed.
Nearly two years clean now and I'm slowly starting to feel my memory and autism return to normal, so hopefully soon I can become obsessed with programming and stop being a NEET.
>>24058452 Holding the smoke helps, by the third time you should be getting pretty fucking blown out though. The first time I got high smoking weed I had to smoke a shit ton, but after that I could get high with small doses. Maybe you're not smoking enough?
>>24058500 First time I smoked half a gram by myself,second it was like 0.3 Third one it was a spliff with around the same amount which got me decently high but it faded fucking quickly,got back home and smoked another one with some friends and got hit fucking pretty hard,even felt a bit anxious I guess I'd call it and a bit sick to my stomach but I laid in bed and got over it in like an hour.
I smoked weed a few times. But after smoking a sativa strain of weed, I had a full psychotic episode that lasted about 3 months. I'm scared to try it again now, but I'm wondering if just smoking a hybrid or indica strain would be OK for me?
Too poor for weed, so I smoke weeds. I collect them each day from fucking everywhere. It relieves constipation, nausea, forgetfulness, and if you forget stuff at school you will never forget stuff at school and forget stuff at school ever again. It's that good.
>>24051298 hehe if weed makes you tired and confused that means your dealer played your pathetic ass and gave you some shit ass weed or probably oregano since your autistic ass wouldn't be able to tell the difference. I bet he's fucking selling you cooking flour and your dumb ass is snorting it thinkings its cocaine
>>24052643 If you're smoking all day everyday then yes you need to do a month. After 3 weeks is a decent t break for a normal person. Also ease back into it. People usually fuck up a break by smoking a blunt or two after the month. Then in a week they're back to their old ways
my face when repeat users lose up to 15 IQ points, suffer increased likelihood of psychological problems, fund a black market of degenerate and worthless criminals, and become apathetic sacks of shit in denial who post on r9k 24 hours a day about running out of money for >muh weed
Yeah no shit fuckface, so does any drug. So does aging. So does life. Enjoy your godly IQ, I'm sure you're putting it to good use in your parent's basement rubbing your dick raw to hentai you "my body is a temple" dorito eating diabetic piece of shit
>>24063945 yeah, nice and successful bcuz da drugz... like this guy
mfw hedonists unironically demand the right to wreck their brains and become inordinately stupid on the grounds of irrelevant red herrings and strawmen
TRUTH OF THE DAY: >cannabis-impaired approximately doubles car crash risk and that around one in 10 regular cannabis users develop dependence. Regular cannabis use in adolescence approximately doubles the risks of early school-leaving and of cognitive impairment and psychoses in adulthood. Regular cannabis use in adolescence is also associated strongly with the use of other illicit drugs. These associations persist after controlling for plausible confounding variables in longitudinal studies. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/add.12703/abstract
>on my way to bus stop >have to walk through school parking lot >see my qt crush next to car >she's smoking with one of her friends >smells funny >she's smoking the marijuana >go back to campus >report her to campus police, who report her to real police >she gets expelled and arrested for possession of weed
who the [email protected] posted this shit about pot being harmful? dude it's time 2 embrace da millenium my nine year old niece smokes and she's the top kid at her black empowerment liberal arts degree majoring in kikology! I refuse to believe your fucking lies jewbama, saudi arabia did 420 it's time to l.e.g.a.l.i.z.e. inrtavenous aspirin i can't wake too smoke some CL dick
If anyone can post a link to a long-term study of at least one hundred adult cannabis (only) users displaying cognitive decline more than one standard deviation above average while not acutely intoxicated I will cease consumption of cannabis for the rest of my life.
If you want to put the burden of proof on me, here you go:
>>24064624 I know. And even when/if someone does, they either claim you're wrong because their personal opinion trumps academic work, or they mysteriously vanish and stop responding, only to act in the same manner in the next thread. Much like Jews.
>>24064578 >positive correlations to terrance mckenna and ilk >every single public intellectual who has championed psychedelics has been a rambling unprecise guru who made fallicious assumptions ... >these beliefs were not measured for on mental illness tests, despite by default being simply delusions
>>24064906 This is a weed thread, not a psychedelic thread. Don't really care to jump into an argument either. I've posted it often in the past and every time, I get one of the two aforementioned responses because children cannot handle admitting that they may actually be wrong about something. Plus there's that one extra special anti-psychedelic shitposter that resides on /r9k/.
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