DER KRIEG X: BIG TROUBLE IN OCCUPIED CHINA

>>500912
I'm back, also with my efforts in Central Germany, I think it's a good time to pull back. Say that we just wanted the well being of the German people, and as long as no harm or negative efforts come to them by smoking the """"""""""herbs"""""""""" then it's alright. But if you need help there are place you can go.

This is not my idea, but it's from the old thread and worth looking into. Good job anon and party. I'm just doing this so the research gets started right away.

you guys considered developing gliders for your Fallschirmjager units? Particularly heavy cargo gliders could alleviate the issues which doomed their drop into Czechoslovakia during the war by letting them bring AT guns, pack howitzers, heavy mortars and other support weapons/equipment in with them. You could also spend some time developing small wheeled or tracked transport vehicles like the Universal Carrier (or just license them from Britain) to provide better Recce and mobility after a drop, maybe even develop some gliderborne Tankettes/Light Tanks to give them some limited armoured support.

holosights and rails on all of our arms, Jet fighters, nuclear missiles, computers,( ENIAC is only a couple years away!), explore radar and night vision, Assault weapons, and bulletproof vests!

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From the gates of Yan'an 50 new divisions of the People's Liberation army pour forth, ready to drive back the Japanese invaders. 20 of them are even motorized, with the Soviets sending expertise and advisors allowing the Communist party to manufacture 13 divisions worth of light and medium tanks, and even a divisions of heavy ones, along with motorized infantry divisions. Already this new army has seem much success, securing the Mongolian border, surrounding the city of Hohhot, and moving the front towards the outskirts of Kalgan, the capital of the Japanese puppet state of Mengjiang. Although Japan still holds on to large amounts of land, the Chinese might turn the tide just yet.

>>500935
Well we should start looking at helping Japan, set up a meeting and see if they need any resources or help of any kind, also keep up our relation with them.

>>500921
Developing gliders is always an option, should only take a couple of weeks. Speaking of the Fallschirmjäger, with the deployment of the 14th paratrooper division the Abwehr now has 100 total divisions under its wing. In two months it will reach its full size of 114 divisions.

>>501039
Well I think most players agree that we can't have a communist China, so we could sell equipment to the Japs to allow them to beat back the Commies.

>>501046
I agree.
Also outlaw Weed in Bavaria, Baden, Liechtenstein, Austria, and in the Rhinelands.. Essentially, everywhere I control and then some. Drug use is unnacceptable.

>>501105
Which party are you?

I'm new and catching up, but what is our standard equipment, AFVS, ans aircraft?

>>501195
Well our landmass is bigger than Nazi Germany was in 1940, our Equipment is going to be updated, and we're going to be the first with nukes, since we got the smart Jew working for us.

>>501199
But are we still carrying Pre-WW2 equipment?

Like Panzer I, II, III?

BF-109s?

Mausers and MP submachine guns?

>>501202
Nah we're keeping up with equipment in our military. We're not lagging behind on equipment or training. Our troops training must be the highest in the world with all the recent wars we been through and won. Right now were protecting against the Commies and trying to stop the spared.

>>501202
Well our armed forces have been partly modernised;

We, and our sphere / close allies, use a modern, semi-automatic, rifle called the J.A.R (joint. alliance. rifle). Which to quote OP, exceeded expectations in it's first usages in actual combat.

We have access to some of the more modern German bombers and fighters but our navy is unchanged in regards to technology thanks to a lack of interest on the players part (but not numeracy, we've made a shit ton of U-boats since the Italian intervention).

I do think we have created a more modern tank but I can't remember.

We also have government owned chemical weapon production facilities and plans to use our African lands for bio weapons testing and such.

>>501220
so what's the J.A.R. a B.A.R. clone or a M1/Penderson clone?

>>501226
It's like the J.A.R. but better.

>>501199
>Well our landmass is bigger than Nazi Germany was in 1940
Actually, it's a good 80.000 km2 smaller. Remember that Nazi Germany owned all of
Western Poland by the end of 1939.
>>501202
All equipment is technically Pre-WWII, but tank and air technology is pretty much on par with IRL development.

>>501234
When I do landmass I didn't count Nazi Germany with Western Poland since they were at war, and that land is not secure until the war passed.

Also let's improve our equipment to WWII levels

Let start a development of a Infantry Weapon with a effective range of 1000m

>>501254
Like a good Sniper?

>>501226
The J.A.R was originally developed as a general use rifle, based on the features of the Lee-enfield rifle family and M1 Garand rifle. The weapon is chambered in a german rifle calibre.


There was a plan to produce a re-chambered (into a German calibre) and modernised/redesigned B.A.R in a light machine gun role. This fell through during discussion because of higher priority developments like APC's and such.


>>501254
Depends, what kind of infantry weapon are you talking about? Sniper rifle, Anti-tank/armour or something else?

(A good development would be rifle grenades, they provide cost effective fire support and would also allow for greater development as to a "reusable" rifle launched anti-tank projectile.)

>>501242
Most of your army is already at that level, but Ok

An upgrade for all units with equipment over two years old is commissioned. This will take ca. five months.

>>501358
Two years is kinda pushing it. I'd say 3 years or if it is is breaking down or not working effectively.

>>500912
You guys are gay as fuck

>>501364
You say that as if it effects my enjoyment of this thread, or my life.

>>501358
Three years will be better, also the old guns will be stockpile to sell to our allies or sold to the general population.
Or a mix of both is my vote to use the old equipment..

>>501378
Who hurt you?

>>501387
Just ignore 'em he'll get bored and leave. For now we have higher callings.


Firstly, I feel our nation's government should begin focusing our efforts on improving agriculture and similar "primary" sector industries like mining, fishing, logging and such.

This will improve our extraction of our resources and lower dependency on foreign suppliers. Not to mention creating jobs.


I also feel we should begin the creation of more chemical weapon production plants along with the development of a biological weapon and defence research program. Followed by the government purchase of a section of "dead" African lands. These we will use for the testing of biological and chemical weapons.

>>501409
We have a plant being built on our Manufacturing island by Greece that will supply all of our chemical needs. As technology progresses, we can make evil bases in caves that make our wonder weapons. We cab just test it on African land without buying it.

>>501427
I doubt that a single plant can supply all of our chemical needs in a all out war with Russia. Not to mention that if we develop the right transport method for a chemical weapon, we can make the V-2 seem like a firecracker in terms of deadliness.

>>501512
Well then we really need to decide what to research. We have fucking like 6 projects right now. This plant was supposed to be pretty big but we will have to see how much gas we are gonna use. But if we use it, so will they

>>501512
Considering Hilter managed to get pretty far into Russia without chemical weapons, I'd say one plant is more than enough.

>>501544
Well, I think we should focus on making;

1) A tracked APC, potentially designed with alternate forms like a mobile command post, anti-air gun, mortar, etc.

2) A light-machine gun, as previously described.

3) A case-mate mounted assault gun like the Germans actually had. Cost-effective, combat-effective, maintenance-easy.

4) A series of general equipment like hand / rifle grenades, entrenching tools, binoculars, radios and such. To be equipped where needed.


>>501554
Hitler didn't use chemical weapons, ignoring the holocaust, one could attribute this to him living through WW 1 but really it might just be his general insanity.

>>501619
Well Hitler did fail so maybe we shouldn't follow his steps. As for your research ideas, I agree and I think we are close on all of them. I think after we complete the projects, we should combine all of the teams and get to work on a wonder weapon.

>>501636
Well we're not going to attack Russian, that stupid, we already have winter clothes being made if we need to push into Russia for some reason. Most likely they will start the war, but we're be preparing for it, but we're be defending.

>>501647
No one wants to declare war on Russia, but clothing won't cut it. The German vehicles froze so we have to think about that

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>>501619
Those are all interesting proposals. i'll wait until someone else has made some comments on it to implement it, but it's still pretty good.

In an attempt to create stability in Western China, the Kuomintang, Communist Party, and the USSR have sent forward some diplomats to decide the fate of the unruly provinces of Qinghai and Gansu. The USSR has promised men and munitions to help China restore order over the provinces, declaring itself having no interest in the area bar stability.

>>501663
Wasn't it the oil that froze in the vehicles? We need to make some anti-freeze and lots of snow and ice tires.

>>501619
Good idea

>>501679
QM this guy has good ideas let's implement it, as well as making anti-freeze and Russian-winter equipment for our vehicles. Also we should set up that meeting with Japan so they have the equipment to fight the Russians.

>>501679
Whoops, please ignore this picture.

>>501695
We have already implemented those ideas

>>501706
>Those are all interesting proposals. i'll wait until someone else has made some comments on it to implement it, but it's still pretty good.
What QM said it side on the ideas not being implemented

>>501695
A large research program is put in place, aiming to develop Sonderkraftfahrzeugs to safely move infantry, light machine guns and Sturmgeschütz's for advancing infantry and armour, as well as a bunch of general equipment upgrades. The light machine guns will be developed in ca. four months, while the general equipment upgrades will be done in six. The rest will be developed in between.

>>501744
How about the anti-freeze and improvements for winter for our vehicles. Also the Japan meeting. We should at least know how there doing against the commies, and we could sell goods to them.

>>501777
Improvements for winter vehicles will be done in three months. As for antifreeze, I'm pretty sure it already exists.

Through some miracle, you manage to get an audience with a Japanese diplomat. A medium-ranking ambassador, he makes sure to let you know they would've sent one of their best, but didn't think you were worth his time.

>>501821
"You don't seem to be in a position to insult. You have the might of both the Russian and Chinese power coming down on you and I know for a favt you won'e be able to hold it. I am offering help to only you."

>>501821
Well talk, tell them you know that they are fighting with commies. But while they have the fighting spirit, they could use some help with equipment.

Tell them you'll be willing to help them.

>>501849
>>501854
The ambassador seems skeptical.
"Help? You gave us "help" once before, but not before giving twice as much to the Chinese. Why should we trust disonest snakes such as you?"

I've got to get up early in the morning, so I'll leave it here. Feel free to detail how you are going to "help" the Japanese.

>>501896
"We helped China when we didn't know they were gonna go full Commie. Not only will you have our help, you will also have the Support of the allies with you. And besides, we only played doubles because we were in a real bad spot and needed the cash. We apologize, but if you hold that against us forever, this new world will be every different for you."

>>501114
ARFP. Sorry got sidetracked
>>501896
Fuck them both. Pull a gun on the ambassador and shoot that. I want to end imperialism, and the Japs will attack the US either way.
Unless we side with them then after putting troops in Japan, we just start killing them and liberating them from Fascism. I hate the Communists but the War on Fascism is not over

>>501940
Well the main or a good reason why the Japs attacked the US was because they needed Oil and US cut them off. We should work with the Japs here since the Commies are more of a threat, since they will cause more shit than the Imperial Japs will do. I also have to disagree with just shooting them since they will lower relationship with everyone, and will not work to our goals of stopping the biggest threat the commies.

>>501953
>Oil
Error. Hawaii has no oil.

>>502007
Japs attack because America cut oil trading with them. The Japs than attack Hawaii to try to cripple the American Navy. Since before that happened America had no great military strength since it was a sleeping giant, as it had a great depression

>>502020
I'm a Russian spy and have just shot you all in the head.

>>502020
Ohh I thought you meant that they attacked Hawaii because oil was there. Either way, if Japan attacks, Side with the US and secretly pledge to protect the US in case of an attack from Japan, Mexico, or the Brits.

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>>502055
Remember, No Russian

>>502173
> Brits
Um. Wut?

>>502182
Y'know, so if Brit relations go to shit and they attack us, our alliance with the US will save us.
The defense pact would be two sided.

>>502207
Britain hasn't waged an offensive war on the continent since the 1800s. Just don't invade their allies and they'll at worst be passive aggressive and set up some trade embargoes. Not to mention the idea of the US going to war against the UK to side with Germany is stupendously unlikely, no matter how much you try and cozy up to them. The best you could hope for is to keep the US neutral in such a conflict or to intervene as a mediator.

>>502234
Still, Two sided defensive pact, maybe even help with War Plan Red it they're open to initiating it.
>Implying I want to wage war against the British

>>502245
Maybe don't antagonise them is all. Especially with us trying to position ourselves as a bulwark against the Soviets we could actually bear trying to improve relationships with Europe's eminent naval power, rather than having to worry about some defensive pact with the US leaking and giving us a bum rap with them.

>>502269
Unless you just meant a unilateral defensive pact, in which case yeah, that's a good idea.

>>502271
We protect each other. No strings attached besides joint scientific research for both civilian and military purposes.

>>501344
>>501357
I meant the StG 44 i think this was the requirements which led to the development of this weapon

>>502660
* these were

>>502660
>>502663
I dislike the StG 44, it is mechanically unreliable, costly to produce and really only useful as a proof of concept.


What we need is to decide on how we want to fight our wars, and thus the equipment and training needed. Either way we will need most of the equipment being researched and designed as of now.

>>502901
>Unreliable
Because they were tested more on the Eastern front. While we should make something like an M16, and have it have rails, firemodes, and a better stock that isn't wooden, the STG 44 is still better than bolt action rifles in mid to close range scenarios.

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>>501913
>>501940
Well, seems messages are mixed. i'll let you guys figure this out on your own.

In other news, the powers of China have, with Soviet mediation, reached an agreement to tone down hostilities, allowing them to focus their efforts on Japan, and to formally divide the states of Gansu and Qinghai in the west. The treaty goes as follows:

I)The People's Liberation Army and Kuomintang forces shall cease all unwarranted hostilities against each other. Any soldier or officer who acts in breach of these conditions shall be appropriately punished by their party courts.
II)The Kuomintang and Communist Party will hereby be obligated to share all information available to them of enemy movements and strenghts with each other. The USSR and all affiliated individuals are obligated to do the same,as well as to give one thousand (1000) recoinassance planes to each party military wing.
III)Gansu province will be given in its entirety to the Kuomintang government in Wuhan, with the exception of the prefectures of Pingliang and Qingyang, who will be put under the control of the Communist party, and Jiuquan, who will be given to the Qinghai ASR (see Article IV).
IV) Qinghai, With the exception of the prefectures east of Qinghai lakem, which will be ceded to the Kuomintang, along with Jiuquan prefecture in Gansu, will be administered as an autonomous area of China, henceforth known as the Qinghai Autonomous Socialist Republic. It will be re-integrated into China at the end of the war with Japan.
V) The USSR will provide all the garrisons and war equipment that the QASR deems needed in the war with Japan.

>>503130
I say we use Japan to fight off the commies, the Japs don't attack Pearl Harbor in this timeline if we make sure that the US is still trading oil with them.

I say to provide them help, selling of our old equipment since we just updated our own equipment. Maybe also information of the enemy movement, so the Jap can stall both th China and Russia.

This will be useful since it limit the growth of the commies while Germans don't need to fight and died for the Japs.

hey i'm interested in joining.
I've read a few thread and i'd like to name my party NPD after the Nationaldemokratische Partei Deutschlands.
Also regarding general Politics we should really ally France and Italy and create a Union similar to the ECSC aka the European Community for Steel and Coal and start trading thoses to make our economy BOOM and Steamroll the Soviets and Create and Franco-German Hegemony.

>>503170
Well regarding the ECSC it's already being done, since I gave the idea, right now were choosing what to do with the Japs, either to help them fight the commies or not.
I'm in favor of helping them so we can use them to stall the commies, while we are not harmed by it, and we get some cash as well.

>>503176
I don't think we'll get cash from it war tend to make people lose money but a first war and encounter could throw them in a famine since they lack the capacities to not go through our deadly line of defenses so the risks are minimal for us and war does make RnD kick it into overdrive which we kinda need.
Also we'll have a good fear economy and fight well with all our allies.
England which is the only wild card is profoundly capitalist so no backstabbing here.
Overall i think it'll deal more damage to them than us since we cannot lose much from an offensive since we have defensive line to back us up in case those fail.

>>503213
Yeah, even if we lose a bit of money, we'll save more in the long term, as Russia will be weaken, allowing us and our allies to steamroll them, making us lost less men and equipment as the Commies are weaken by the Jap attack.

>>503130
Offer the Japs our help in equipment, and supplies.

>>503213
Why don't we send troops to Japan then immediately turn our troops on them? Fascism must be eradicated like Communism.
At least assassinate Tojo

>>503235
No, We need to use the Japs to eradicated communism first since there a bigger threat, we're not sending troops to them just equipment and supplies. If we pull this off we weaken both the commies and the Japs.

Doing your idea will be diplomacy suicide and will land us in heat, that we can't never come out of.

>>503235
Sending troops to japan is PLAIN DUMB
The proper course of action is to attack on our own Front.
Also Tojo is most Imperialist than Fascist and at the core of their culture Japan is imperialist and value collectivism and hierarchy highly even nowadays.
You can't change a whole country's ways.

>>503235
>Why don't we send troops to Japan then immediately turn our troops on them? Fascism must be eradicated like Communism.
>At least assassinate Tojo
Japan would hardly accept more than a token force on the mainlands, they wouldn't be able to achieve shit on their own

I Came up with a small plan.
step 1:
>Send Japs supplies , wait till they arrive and ask them to launch a big offensive then to make Russia urgently reinforce their east Front.
step 2:
>We strike them on their western Front and march to the capital
step 3:
>Now Soviet have to either split their force and face a likely defeat on both fronts or push the japs out or make us retreat to our heavily fortified defensive line making this a stalemate in this front for the time being.
step 4:
>Either way either us or the Japs landed a heavy blow and probably threw them in Famine at the same time by burning their field and supplies while we're in their lands making them heavily vulnerable to a second push.
>>503257
>Japan would hardly accept more than a token force on the mainlands, they wouldn't be able to achieve shit on their own
After a good war two nukes, the Americans would tell a different story.

>>503266
Well there one problem with that the alliance agreement we signed was only for defense pacts if the Soviets attack.
But we could have the Soviets attack us or just the Japs do some work while we keep building up our forces.

>>503291
Let's not lie.
We build Defense lines ON THEIR TERRITORY.
The Baltic and eastern European states will join us and they know that they could get some land from it as well as technology regarding warfare because they will cooperate a bit with us.
Regarding France it's true that it will be the hardest part but if they do join us we will win.
Anyhow when the Soviet come knocking at the defense line if the offensive fail rest assured that they will not stay passive and wait for them to come all the way to their homes.
People WOULD create militias to fight C

>>503303
Well right now we're preparing, like getting winter clothes, updated our equipment, looser gun laws, and even gave made propaganda departments to have the people more supported to the war and brochures to gave the people proper ways to help the German Country if any country would to invade.

Also some of the forts are not done, if we don't want a break in our defenses we need to wiat a few more months. In that months the Japs will or try to weaken the Russians/

>>503312
This Timing seems better then, we should wait for the end of winter and improve our army whilst waiting.
Priority should be tanks,infantry and artillery.
Also we should improve our logistics to have the possibility to leave no supplies to Russians if we have to retreat to our defensive line.

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>>503266
>ask them to launch a big offensive to Russia

You guys seem to be having lively debate, but I'm going to chime in a bit.
Japan is, without a doubt, not going to take any hostile action towards the Soviet Union. Khalkin Gol still happens in this timeline, and the Japanese are already doing worse than OTL in the Sino-Japanese war, with Wuhan still standing and half of Mengkukuo occupied.

>>503340
I'd still support the Japanese i'd rather have them have it than the soviets or the filthy slimy backstabing British

>>503340
Alright I want to help the Japs, but no German troops, give them the equipment they need to take down the Chinese and the Russians. Since during the war they had outdated equipment, and let them do what they think is best, while we supply them and give them Info if we have it about the what the Russians are planning.

>>503350
I'd prefer to send a Token force just as a way to demonstrate support of Japan, equipment is the best we have to offer and sending a token force will let us know the improvement that we should focus on by testing our equipment on the field of battle.

>>503369
As well with that token force which is a good idea, is also sending people to train the Japs how to use the equipment.

>>503347
>>503350
So you want to send material aid to the Japanese, basically. How much do you want to send? Will it be weapons, food, advisors, and/or something else?

>>503382
Weapons, food if they need it, advisers to help and train the Japs how to use the new German Equipment, vehicles, and ask the Jap what will they need since they know what they want. Also a token force.

>>503382
I'd send Generals and weapons as well as a small force to help them train their troop to use the equipment and maybe start a political friendship.
We can supply them with weapons and they can supply us with military experience.

>>503391
>Military experience
We have lots of military experience with the Czech and Italy war, but it's be nice to ask them also what they need and it's good to get experience on how to fight in the Asian front for the future.

>>503403
that's what i'm looking for as well.
Those territories resemble those of the USSR.
Also basic strategic Input from our reformed military will help us see how well they perform whilst helping Japan and give them experience for the upcoming war.
It will also prepare Japan to attack the USSR.

>>503390
>>503391
So you want to send advisors to help the Japanese operate equipment and plan strategy, and as much food as they are in dire need of (about 50.000 tons of grain and 100.000 tons of rice per month). Also, weapons and vehicles of an undetermined amount. The Japanese say they'll need 20 divisions' worth of basic weaponry (ca.300.000 rifles and handguns), 8 divisions worth of tanks (1920 in total), 38 divisions' worth of artillery, anti-tank and AA (456 of each) and 50.000 trucks. That should fulfill all their needs for the next six months or so.

>>503499
Yes, I agree to this. Also as for the thing with China well say that was before we known that the Chinese were snakes.

>>503499
We should lend them some equipment.
But not that much they could do with 200000 basic weapon, regarding tanks their enemy are lacking those i believe so we should send only 4 division's worth.
For the same reasons only 20 division of supporting high caliber.
Trucks meanwhile can be dispatched since they will need the logistics but only 30000.
Let's not give them loads of mechanized infantry and High tech high caliber weapons.

>>503509
Do like this guy said, also be sure to send people to teach them how to work the weapons and equipment

>>503509
>>503513
also we should reduce the amount of food according to those changes

>>503505
>>503509
>>503513
Right, so You're sending all of what Obelix has listed to Japan+food and advisors. A merchant fleet will be deployed shortly to send all the aid to Japan. The overall cost of this material aid will be 4 Bn Reichsmarks.

>>503545
Jesus. That much? Why? It isn't gonna make a difference

>>503545
>>503513
>>503235
>>503257
I believe we should really Open Military outpost in the area to assist the Japanese and potentially launch an offensive from this side with out technology as well.
This First cooperation will bear fruits in the future.
Also knowing the Japanese tendencies we should propose a joint research project like they did with unit 731.
The fact that we did not holocaust and therefore did not do human experimentation might hinder our progress in the future.
Also teaming up with the Japanese in a Remote location in the world compared to where we are could have it's benefits and Japan will surely be glad to have a technologically more advanced nation share their research project with common benefits.

>>503564
It is.
The fact that we deploy equipment there isn't to fight the Chinese.
They'd have lost anyway.
We are deploying it there to make sure that the USSR is facing threats from the West and the East.
Also Allying Japan is crucial at this point since we already gave them weapons.

>>503566
Good idea as well.
>>503545

>>503564
Also it will make a difference since the Japs just needed the equipment to win in the war, but in this timeline they don't be facing against the Americans and we're make sure of that.

>>503574
>>503573
Our 4 billion dollar donation won't make a difference. It isn't enough. What I could see is that annexing a part of the Japanese land for Germany so we have a foothold in Asia

>>503581
Well with all the help we're giving them, we're of course going to be asking something in return. This is not a donation, it's a investment to get a foothold in Asia, and making one more friend against the Commies.

>>503581
It's not a bloody donation.
The money is going straight out of our pocket into our war industry.
They do make a profit and will therefore with the feedback be able to develop a new generation of weapons.
Also our donation isn't here to make a big difference in an already won war.
Essentially what we're doing is Making sure we have support in the East and that our industry perform well.

>>503587
>>503590
I can agree to getting a foothold in Asia. Why don't we trade the supplies for some of their land so when the Japanese lose, they can't get our land

>>503597
It's easier to negotiate land they have than land they're fighting for.
This is why we're holding off.
Im not gonna ask for land personally because we know they'll refuse letting us have too much land.
What i would ask is for Military bases and some Research Agreements as well as some support against the USSR.
Asking for land will result in failure.
Do you seriously believe a realistically useful amount of land would be worth merely 4 Bn Reichmarks?
Clearly even if we take in account inflation i believe it is not the case.
The land we're bargaining for right now is the Land we'll get quickly from the USSR once we go to war for their support.
More land unconnected to the mainland and near them would anyhow e administrated by them one way or the other due to the fact that it would be a very small territory.

>>503581
>Our 4 billion dollar donation won't make a difference

Actually, it would, especially the support weapons/artillery. The weakness and scarcity of Japanese artillery was one of the major reasons the Chinese held out as long as they did.

>>503597
For now we're helping the Japs, and once the war is over we'll get the land, but like Obelix said, Military bases and Research agreement is a nice way to go. Until we'll able to beat back the Chinese.

>>503611
I didn't see a mention of Artillery. Our J.A.R. weapons might help, but we didn't include artillery in.
>>503608
And what happens if they get to these Military bases? Unless they are on land not owned by Japan, there is the chance that the Chinese could push right up to the front gate. What happens then?

>>503632
>38 divisions' worth of ARTILLERY, anti-tank and AA (456 of each)

Some good artillery would be especially useful for the fortifies cities

>>503632
>38 divisions' worth of artillery, anti-tank and AA (456 of each)
We did include artillery and they'll need it.
Military bases are our land, just a small piece compare to what the Japanese has. If the Chinese do anything to the Military bases it will be a act of war. Also with all the help we're sending the Japs the Chinese will be pushed back.

>>503632
We're NOT gonna build them RIGHT NOW so China won't even see them in action.
We'll build them after the Chinese lost as a way of "protecting our Japanese brother from communism".
Also if the USSR attack them they'd be attacking Japan so Japan would go full force.
Having military bases in a country is a nice way of ensuring an alliance against it's neighbor.
Also:
>a less numerous , less advance, less experienced army making a push while being fortified is more advantageous.
Chinese won't make a lot of pushes.
Much less with the pressure we're supplying them thanks to the new equipment.
>>503643
btw i reduced it to 20 divisions since they clearly don't need that much.

>>503649
If you want to, the Japs should be grateful either way

So do you want to do anything in the meantime or just skip to the Japs getting their stuff?

>>503661
In the meantime, just get some propaganda posters and stuff ready for a war and our friendship with the Japs. It's something small, but this is not shown to the public but stockpile for later use.
Then go to the Japs getting their stuff. Also just increasing relationship with France in the meantime.

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>>503661
I'd like to simultaneously ask them for the Military bases.
Also let's issue a bit of propaganda in Japanese for them to show we support them and that Europe in general (apart from england likely) support them.
Make a few ones that show how our equipment save their men lives ( like your husband came back home thanks to us) and a few ones Boasting about the quality of our equipment but make it culturally appropriate
>>503670
tfw people read your mind

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>>503675
Well Propaganda does work, and it funny the many things we could come up with. I like your ideas and we should give them a try. It's weird how we thought of the same thing.

>>503670
>>503675
Are you sure? Coming out as supporters of a fascist nation who is in the middle of invading their peaceful neighbor would have a severely negative impact on your relations with Western Europe.

>>503828
That's why I warned them, but...

>>503828
Don't worry we can paint the Chinese as communist and pretend the weapon they own were given by the USSR.
It's not Fascist if it's to destroy communism.

>>503828
I'd discourage such a course of action. A.K.A, I am against it but am for giving them equipment to level the playing field in the east.

>>503828
Do it, since against the communist Chinese that are now puppets of the mad soviets, paint that this is against for getting rid of communist.

>>503837
>we can paint the Chinese as communist and pretend the weapon they own were given by the USSR.
In the case of the Communist party, that's true.
>>503838
>>503843
Still, at the time there was fighting between the Kuomintang and the Communists, supporting the democratic candidate was always an option.

>>503922
Well they showed that they want to work with Communists, so let's just paint it that we're helping the Japs get rid of the Red threat, paint it that Russia is bad guy here.

>>503940
It's not like they had much of a choice though. You can still keep your aid to Japan a secret.

>>504004
Well we're not saying it to the whole world the some propaganda designs should be made in the meantime while we give Japan aid in secret.

>>504025
Alright then, you manufacture propaganda supporting the Japanese in secret as well.
I've got to go now, see you tomorrow.

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>>504093
See you
I wish to print anti Communist and anti Japanese government propaganda, As well as promoting the US, Switzerland, our allies, and neo conservatism. Promote our ideals with radio adverts.

I do not agree to us helping imperialists, maybe see if we can get the democratic chinese states to forgive us? I do not wish to form the Alps confederation, but I do not want my people's tax dollars going to something we're outright against.

Freiheit muss sein.

>>504352
Well there aren't many Democratic Chinese left, but I do agree against helping the Imperialists

>>504352
>>504364
While i do agree Imperialism suck.
Let's be honest a second.
We're not gonna last long in the cold war era and not fare well in suppressing fascist , imperialists and communists.
Because if we became democratic we value free speech and if we do those movement will resurface and even worse we won't have any counter argument that legitimate against them because all the shit that Communism did never in fact happened because we prevented it because we prevented Communism as a whole.True Democracy event in real life is not viable long term solution.In fact True Democracy is in fact impossible to set up people emotions and thoughts will always be swayed by those who own more power, Democracy is therefore just what the sheeple like to call oligarchy to feel important and more powerful.
Liberty is not something that come from the ability to access leadership but from the power to influence it's decisions and people without even voting simply by expressing their thoughts own potential power over others.
Therefore i believe Democracy to be redundant with the very notion of the Volk and that as long as a Leader Listen to it's people more than he influence them the Government is Good.
Of course for a Good government to be efficient the people must be wise and a consensus must be achieved and this is why the referendum is the closest thing to what Democracy aim to be.

I don't think we should actively hunt an ideology therefore purely based on it's political allegiance to a movement but instead on where it sit on a scale from censorship to Free thoughts and speech and another scale from inefficient to efficient.
Of course Free thought can be sacrificed for efficiency at times (propaganda) but balance must be achieved.
And i believe that unbalanced states regardless of ideology have to put back on track one way or the other.

>>504462
Well I never really planned on being our Democratic way of life forever. As much as I like the Good ol' US of A, I recognize that they system will eventually collapse on itself. My long term plan, ever since I joined this game in thread 1, I planned on turning the U.S. Imperialistic, as well as Germany. Will I get to do that? Maybe. Maybe not. All I know is that I aimed to completely transform Europe. And let America to his own sphere.

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>>504462
We should side with the west if the Cold War breaks out. Fuck the imperialists, fuck the reds, Fuck the Fascists. If it is decided against, I want autonomy

Our union WILL fracture if we continue to try to side with the evils of the world. Alpen Freistaat when?


>>504093
On a completely unrelated note, Train 5 divisions of GRC, purely ARFP. Split the GRC into ARFP members (They'll form the AFRC or Alpen Freiheit Republik Korps) and the detractors will form the FC (Freikorps).
Purchase some Panzer IIIs for them, as well as some P40s from the US. Also buy some anti Tank guns, AA guns, Request Urals and military vehicles from BMW, US BARs, Lee Enfields, Remington Shotguns, manufacture modernized Stahlhelms, and create a unique fighting force of elite troops.


Hold peaceful protests against our involvement in Japan and China, Defend the protesters with the AFRC and pass a law in Liechtenstein that no money taxed will go into fighting proxy wars in China or East Asia. Propose that law in all of Germany with the tagline: Money for the good, none for the evil.

I do not wish for a civil war, but the actions of "Fledermaus Scheisse" politicians will make every non Prussian or Brandenburger suffer because of the actions of the Prussians will destroy the confederation.
>>504364
>>504524
So you want to Highlander it and become a fascist while killing the other?

>>505064
My intentions were to create a democratic utopia while uniting all of Germanic Europe and then some. We still are a ways away though

>>505109
I honestly feel like further conquests are superfluous beyond simply satisfying a thirst for power and regardless of motivation will likely only alienate others to us.

>>505143
I think wars should have purpose, Random aggression wars should not happen, and we should work to get as much land as possible peacefully before deciding to declare war or not.
As for non expansionist wars, only do such to help our allies, piss off the Brits, or to preserve freedom. This war is none of these and is just shady. If we want to stop Communism, do it with Mccarthyism, Nuking Leningrad, or funding a coup. Siding with an equal evil is not progress towards a better World.

As for Isolationist ideals, I just don't like the Brits (In game, of course, I like Brits IRL) or the French (See Brit). They have only caused suffering to our people and we must get vengeance for our suffering and the imprisonment of our people. Otherwise, I do not wish for isolationism.

>>505109
Well I wanted to rot the structure of the Great Powers in Europe and beyond. I feel like if we set up our cards, we can knock everyone out in one swift blow and Germany will finally rule not only Europe, but maybe Asia as well. I don't think being a democracy would allow us to do this.

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>>505232
Why do we want to found a global empire? Have a Snickers. While I want to have a large country, I do not want to overextend and destroy the world and freedom. I want Superpower status to world police, not to rape and pillage. Essentially, a Gentle Giant. And you say Democracy will slow us down when the Most Powerful Nation on Earth, the US, in reality used to be a strip of land hugging the Atlantic, but the US is now the most powerful country on Earth in both GDP and military strength, even when there are countries with triple population and military size, the US still is more powerful and influential than them what ever happened to middle conservatism? Instead of becoming the Third Reich, let's become the United States of Europe.
Remember:
Freedom is the only way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LNYMKgC7AE

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>>505333
>have a snickers hehe
I'm not gonna go full /pol/ on you man. I don't even like fascism. I don't even really want a huge Empire, rather a new German Empire. Also, don;t give me that shit about America becoming all mighty just because of Freedom. I love my country, and I love freedom, so I see no reason to not follow through, but I feel like we will have to break rules.

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>>505354
I want a New German Empire too, but I don't want to commit any crimes of an Empire. Looking back, what happened to the Czechs was a bit extreme with poisonous gas and bombing of civilian targets. We cannot forget ethics and honor. and I did not say it was because of Democracy, but you said Democracy would destroy our hopes of expansion, when in fact, if we do this the 2016 way, we can annex as much land as we wish through referendums.

If you do not believe in the freedom of the People, it is my job to protect it.

This pic is the borders I wish to achieve. I want to do this as clean and as ethical as possible.

>>505214
What do we gain from tweaking the noses of the French and British though?

> They have only caused suffering to our people and we must get vengeance for our suffering and the imprisonment of our people.
Yeah, something they achieved with the help of America, and it's hardly as if Germany is blameless after all, we were the ones that violated Belgium's neutrality and we sort of wiped out the better part of a generation of Frenchmen.

The point is, Europe will never be strong if we stew in the hatreds of the past. We've just started this Coal-Steel Area deal with France, and if we can in find some similar common need/s with Britain we might actually be able to begin in small ways actually healing the wounds of the Great War. Leaving our West secure so we can put down the Communist abomination we birthed in the East.

>>504093
In a other unrelated note, since the APFP had a great idea, I'm going to do the same thing sorry ARFP but it's a good idea.
Train 8 divisions of GRC, purely NCP. Purchase some Panzer IIIs for them, as well as some P40s from the US. Also buy some anti Tank guns, AA guns, Request Urals and military vehicles from BMW, US BARs, Lee Enfields, Remington Shotguns, manufacture modernized Stahlhelms, and create a unique fighting force of elite troops.

>>505455
Also I don't get why you don't want help the Japs, we could always turn them against the tide off imperialists, if we fuck everyone we're going to be fuck right back, we're could try the peacful method on turning counties to Mercia Democracy. Also people having freedom is great that why I want everyone in the country to have guns, to protect against threats inside and out.

>>505455
I love freedom, but there is more than one way to get it. Just know I love Freedom as a American. With the China business that something else, since the Democratic Chinese are working with the commies.

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>>506116
>>506116
>copying word for word what I said.
You could've said +1 on GRC

Also I don't want to send effort to extremist troops in a faraway land that possibly could effect us instead of trying to just prepare for Russia and defend American, Portuguese, and Dutch holdings down there to warm relations with those countries. Japan and the PRC will eventually waste each other then we can just nuke the winner and invade for war crimes. We still get our Democratic China and Japan with less steps.
We have to let them beat each other senseless, then just come in and murder the Victor, which will be a tank, or will be so weak they cannot do anything about the assault.

Anyway, quintiple AFRC. Begin remaking the BARs to be lighter and more AR like. Experiment by putting rails on them for Sights and grips.
Noone is in consensus and it seems the 3 major parties (me, KN, and NCP) are at odds on what to do. To quote Han Solo: I've got a bad feeling about this.

>>506277
Really it's not at odds, Japs were able to be pushed back, we're just giving them a one time deal with equipment so they beat the Communist Chinese and damage the Russians.

From what I understand is that you want nothing to do wtih Japan and want to help Democratic Chinese.

From KN and my views, we're going to just get Japs to cool down on the Fascist movement they got, and giving them equipment will quicken the destroying of the commies. We just feel that Japs need a push so they help us finsih the big red threat, since if we don't take it down here, than it's going to make things worst for 40+ years. That the thinking behind our reasoning, as it better to help for a while, so we don't get the red threat, red scare that happens in real life for 40+ years.

Hope you understand better. This is the NCP party, I'm Inky by the way :^)

>>506277
Let me tell you I want to be Friends with America.

>>506277
> Noone is in consensus and it seems the 3 major parties (me, KN, and NCP) are at odds on what to do. To quote Han Solo: I've got a bad feeling about this.
Better start training private armies, because that went so well for Germany last time didn't it?

>>506296
>>506277
>Noone is in consensus and it seems the 3 major parties (me, KN, and NCP) are at odds on what to do.
I feel that as Imperialistic Japan is it is best to keep them as allies.
We should prepare to invade and nuke them after we're done with the USSR to demonstrate how efficient we are bringing them peace and freedom with our ruthless brutality.
Also if we want democratic China we need to inspire the colonies to become free which is what the USSR did while they were enemies of all the colonialist state but now we are friends with France and we can't free China this way.
So we must choose is it better to have Imperialistic UK have it or Imperialistic Japan.
I believe in neither while we reach hegemony over the USSR and access to Nuclear weapons we should swiftly make Japan Surrender to show our might and then declare that China must be freed and a new Democracy started.
This would worsen our relation with the UK but having France on our side would mean a lot, would also mean the US would stand with more historical allies like the French and US since we do have a cultural impact in the US.
Thus we would be able to crush UK's Imperialism,Japan's Imperialism and free China.

>>506372
Regarding the potential lack of cassus bellie to nuke Japan.
>divide USSR for re-integration program
>2 year later ask Japan to give their part back
>they say no
>Free cassus belli and nuking ensued
>next step liberate China while everyone is afraid of nukes and our power and France is glad as fuck to have us as an ally.

>>506372
France and the US will NEVER choose Germany over the UK. Even if we put everything we have into trying to heal the lasting wounds of the Great War, pay our reparations, relinquish any claims on places like Alsace-Lorraine and the like, basically our best end point would be joining the allies as a senior partner (sharing the reins with the US essentially) thanks to our common enemy in the USSR. France especially hates Germany's guts, always has and the feeling is mutual and would remain so until into the Cold War. The US is substantially more sympathetic (as is Britain actually though not quite as much, and prior to WW1 the UK was about as pro-German as it was pro-French) but they're far more closely tied, in terms of language, culture and ideals to Britain than to a heavily militarised, belligerent Democratic Germany.

Imperial Japan is also terminally stupid, please don't tie our necks to that anchor of an institution.

>>506277
>Begin remaking the BARs to be lighter and more AR like
BARs and ARs aren't even remotely similar from a mechanical standpoint. That's like telling someone to make an airplane more like a bulldozer.

The BAR is more similar to something like the FAL or G3 by today's standards. Also:

>>506380
>France and the US will NEVER choose Germany over the UK.
>France especially hates Germany's guts
>tfw French
>I know what you're saying is BS
People hated Germany because of the War and the losses but in truth lots of people were afraid to say that German were way more organized and way more polite and fought clean while we fought dirty using civilian ambushes and other such tactics that are regarded as Dishonorable and cowardly.
I think that if we create closer economic ties and demonstrate that we have power by nuking Japan France would rather stand with us for sure.
We can pull a Charlemagne propaganda and a "Mère patrie and Vaterland" card pretty well Germany could turn things around saying they came out of Fascist and learn the ancient value of the 1700s French philosophers that are free speech and Democracy.
France also has all the reasons in the world to have the UK because they have Colonies that they'd like to steal and we can help with that by freeing China and asking France to "liberate" most of Africa.
Also the Us will side with France and those who have the most power but will always act opportunistically.
Also we worked on making American culture more close to our so it wouldn't be huge problem.
Uk isn't that Popular The French in reality hate them even if they fought together also it wouldn't be direct war so France would likely support us fucking the Uk to create another Free Nation and America WOULD BE THE FIRST TO SUPPORT ANY NATION THAT FREE A COLONY OF THE UK FOR MUH FREEDOM.
So liberating China by force isn't going to fuck us that much it won't be a huge P.R. hit from America or France who pretty is ok with anyone fucking UK's colonial leadership.

>>506389
> Germans
> fought clean
> the first to use gas on the battlefield
> the first to use flamethrowers on the field
> used communal punishment against Belgian towns that resisted
Nobody fought clean in the First World War, and the Germans were actually some of the pioneers in the field of these 'dishonourable' or inhumane ways of conducting war.

> I know what you're saying is BS
I have never read anything that would lead me to believe interwar France was sympathetic to Germany. Admittedly, perhaps this is due to only having access to English language or translated sources, but you don't build a massive line of fortifications along the border of a country you're friendly with and sympathetic to.

As for the dislike between the British and French, yup, they've disliked each other for basically as long as they've been proto-nations. Regional rivals, colonial competitors etc. But by the end of WW1 the dislike was basically personal, ie it was not political. Politically speaking, that is, regarding policies of the nations (particularly military ones), both in the interwar period and now, the two nations are very close.

> America WOULD BE THE FIRST TO SUPPORT ANY NATION THAT FREE A COLONY OF THE UK FOR MUH FREEDOM.
Maybe in the 1700s, but the US is very Isolationist by now and has little real interest in foreign intervention, not to mention that FDR and his administration were really very chummy with the Brits. Add to that the fact that the two nations engage in huge amounts of trade, cultural and social exchange and we might have been 'influencing' American views to be more pro-German but that won't undo 30 odd years of good relations between Britain and the US. They might want the UK to give up its colonies, but it's more like wanting your friend to give up smoking, you don't stab them to death to achieve it.

Look I'm not going to nitpick your post any further, but just consider that even if to the contrary to what I've seen, France actually loves this new, expansionist, highly militarised neighbour with a history of invading them, our people might not feel the same.

>>506399
> the first to use gas on the battlefield
> the first to use flamethrowers on the field
>implying using any kind of weapon on battlefield that isn't deception is dishonorable
> used communal punishment against Belgian towns that resisted
>aka you used guerrilla tactics to fuck us and we punished you as a collective like it's done in the military because it's efficient at rooting out the cause of the punishment
That's actually pretty humane to try to end a war fast by using all the weapons you have and doing it the most efficient way.
There is nothing humane about war other than its end.
>but you don't build a massive line of fortifications along the border of a country you're friendly with and sympathetic to.
To be fair there was Some amount of fear that came from the USSR regarding the Maginot Line and it was seen more as a way to keep peace than to prepare for a war.
>Politically speaking, that is, regarding policies of the nations (particularly military ones), both in the interwar period and now, the two nations are very close.
Without a Common enemy that we are they are bound to fight each others for African land because once they're done fighting their enemies they'll fight their "friends".
And god know they've both been aching to Land-grab everything, Siding with France is more sensible also you'd think war makes people grow hatred toward each others but it's actually often the opposite.
War back then didn't have the same nature a strange statistic i found was that more than half the people in WW1 and WW2 did not in fact aim truly for the person and were mostly doing potshots even when they had a clear shot.
We still are in a way their brothers and the common folk still have some minor awareness of this.
>They might want the UK to give up its colonies, but it's more like wanting your friend to give up smoking, you don't stab them to death to achieve it.
Well i'm not looking for a Direct war against UK just to liberate China and maybe India while we're at it and by liberate i mean give them propaganda and weapons.
I mean after the USSR is dead and we've nuked Japan they'd probably love to fight for their country and freedom and in a Way America would support them because the Literally could become an Amazing Success story for our ideology.
While stuck in between Fascist Japan, Communist Russia and Imperialist UK if China was to Rise as a victor if would be a HUGE step forward for our ideology which we share with France and the US.
I Truly believe a Franco-Americo-German Alliance could work.
Also i like the shortened name for it the F.A.G. Alliance.
Also wed get Props for making all the country who have an element of the periodic table join together.

>>506406
>aka you used guerrilla tactics to fuck us and we punished you as a collective like it's done in the military because it's efficient at rooting out the cause of the punishment
Except it didn't work, in either war. Almost always collective punishment simply drove more people into the arms of partisan or resistance groups and turned world opinion against the Germans.

> Without a Common enemy
They have a common enemy, either in us or the Soviet Union.

> they are bound to fight each others for African land
Not really, not at all in fact. You seem to think that France and Britain were on the knife's edge of war when neither country wanted any kind of war, at all, and again their dislike was by 1940 more embers of an old fire than the inferno of the early 1800s. The war weariness of the two nations after WW1 was such that it left them both lethargic in response to German aggression for years and eventually cost France her freedom. Add that to the fact that African colonial borders had pretty much settled by this point and the sheer scope of effort required to transport the necessary troops and material to Africa to support a war and there's precious little (ie no) basis for such a situation.

I just don't want to fight a proxy war overseas nor lose our democratic government. If we do lose it, I WILL START A CIVIL WAR. We must maintain ethical policies during peace and war, and only invade Germanic nations. We must stand up against imperialist nations. It is our job to do what's right, destroy the Imperial powers, take their colonies, restore their infrastructure, then release them with stable governments.

>>506624
>Why start a civil war

>>506711
Because if a dictatorship is put into power, it's bad for the non ultra right nationalists.
What about the center, and left?
I cannot allow this to occur, and I will get support from countries not wanting the uberreich. This is, of course, if it happens.

>>506755
Who saying we're going to be a dictatorship?

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>>506759
Who said we weren't?

Also to OP even though I've said I wanna do alot already, kick my campaigning into overdrive, double regular elections,. Especially in Baden- Wurttemberg, the Rhineland, and every area that already is my plurality. Campaign in Austria and Czechia heavily too, run ads for donations on radio and whatever TV stations are up. Campaign around human rights and helping each other.
Tagline; Do what's right, fix Germany.

>>507024
It's not a dictatorship also +1 to ARFP idea but with my party and places

>>507024
ARFP I want freedom and love morals and ethics

QM here, not going to make it today, my mother needs my help moving some shit. I'll start earlier tomorrow to make up for it.

>>507225
Ir's probably for the best

>>507041
Stop stealing my stuff! >_<
Where are you campaigning? Stay out of any alpine region or Rhine region, as well as Bremen and Hamburg.
Also I say dictatorship in the modern sense, so an absolute monarchy like Saudi Arabia is a dictatorship. Voting rights and rights in general is what I mean.

>>507710
Jesus Christ I sense a civil war.

>>507745
Private armies will do that yeah.

>>507776
Well luckily I don't have to hire a private Army.
>>507225
Call in 3 divisions of infantry to Berlin. No martial law yet. Just have them stationed

>>507745
>>507776
Don't worry, I will only start one in an extreme worst case scenario. Plus with private armies we can do stuff and it won't reflect on the state. For example, let's say KN wants to attack Luxembourg, he can go do a full scale attack with his militia, we just say it's a Rogue force, take the city, then imprison a general involved for treason, send him to "Isolation", which we just put him in a sort of witness protection with a fake name while he still works for KN.
The only issue is in the case of civil war, we need a treaty to prevent absolute destruction.

>>507809
I think that could work. A proxy war. Channel some money through multiple banks and Clinton anyone who catches on.

>>507795
Instead of mobilizing against ourselves, let's try to calm down the situation?

>>507809
Civil wars tend to start when things spiral out of control. What happens when ARFP and NCP !totallynotSS clash at a demonstration on some policy you disagree on? By the time anyone who wants to calm down the situation shows up it's too late, there's already a shooting war on.

And the 'proxy war' (this isn't really a proxy war, funding and supplying the Luxembourg pro-German faction to start a civil war would be a proxy war) thing won't work. Either you could have just done it with the regular army because other powers are too cowed/uninterested in war, or using party troops trained and equipped by the state of Germany will still start a war.

Founding a private army directly under the control of your party is really nothing beyond a transparent attempt at solidifying your political position through military might and giving you a tool to either gather glory from military achievements more expediently or to counter other parties' efforts in the political sphere, and ensure you have a force of troops indoctrinated to your particular ideology. Which incidentally is exactly why the Waffen SS, Herman Goering Division and other such establishments existed in Nazi Germany, and just like here they were a terrible idea both for the stability of the institution and for the efficacy of their armed forces.

>>507812
This
Now you get the potential, lets sign a treaty to prevent Destruction of Germany.

TREATY OF INNSBRUCK
In times of Civil War:
No Carpet bombing cities.
No holding hostages.
No use of Nuclear, Biological, or chemical warfare.
No "preparing" by just digging trenches, setting up Artillery, or setting up AA guns when there is no looming civil war.
No intentional killing of civilians.
No purging oppostion to you
If there is a resistance or riot, do not fire until fired upon.
Prisoners of war and political prisoners will be treated with respect. We aren't Japan.
No conscription.
No destuction of landmarks.
Excessive Violation of these rules will abolish the party after the war.
The Government will be abolished if there is a civil war.
Any external powers cannot be directly i involved.
If an external force decides to come in and claim land during the civil war, we must unite to push them back.

Let's pray this treaty is never to be needed

>>507841
What regulatory body would/could oversee this treaty? What's to stop the winning party from just disregarding it outright?

>>507863
Mutally assured destruction.
To be honest, depends on the size and scale. Like if one small town is accidentally steamrolled, not that big, but if like a gas or nuclear attack occurs, nuke or gas them to shreds.

>>507871
Yeah, that's not going to work short of the nukes which we won't have for years, and we don't even really have room to test. Particularly:
> No Carpet bombing cities.
> No holding hostages.
> No purging opposition to you
> No conscription.
> No destuction of landmarks.
> Any external powers cannot be directly i involved.
> If an external force decides to come in and claim land during the civil war, we must unite to push them back.
Aren't going to work at all, they're either realities of war, especially civil ones or ignorant of the nature of the vehement feelings that birth civil wars.

> Excessive Violation of these rules will abolish the party after the war.
Either they lose and get abolished anyway because they lost a civil war, or they win and don't have to give two shits about this clause, because they won the war and can now make the rules.

It's all nice thoughts but the moment an actual civil war happens this will all go out the window because someone realises "Hey they can only punish us afterwards if they survive."

>>507893
That's a good point, but I feel like QM will just fuck over anyone that tries to start a civil war.

>>507901
Maybe, as someone primarily observing I think a civil war would be a good way of the QM curbing some of your more overambitious goals and presenting some genuine challenges to the progress of the nation. So far we've basically breezed through and become a great power basically by intertia alone and I'd like to not see Germany get too far ahead of the rest of the world economically, technologically or militarily as to make the quest a moot point or simply a matter of time until we reach world domination.

>>507917
Well it's not like we can go conquesting around the world. We are running a deficit right now, and the only reason the economy is healthy, because we need manpower to rebuild what we destroyed in war and all the factories we have. it's like our own Economic system

>>507927
>>507893
True.
Let's try to get the economy back on track, and if civil war breaks out just try to preserve the way of life as much as possible. On a totally unrelated note, who is SDP? They were in the previous election and I don't know if that's a person or not

>>507981
I think SDP was a party that stopped posting. Happens a lot.

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>>508023
Maybe, but if not we should see if the Soviets, Japanese, or brits are funding them.
Also Liechtenstein does want to be it's own province of Germany with a bit of land from Tyrol so it has a border with Bavaria.
Essentially cut as far as my influence goes in Tyrol.
Give It 1-5 seats and take the same number from Tyrol

>>508253
Oh and to get a separate flag from Haiti, add the crown on there just like they did in real life.

>>508266
Well you know I don't want civil war, I'll even back out helping Japan if it clam you down. Should you like that?

>>508253
Do you have a stronghold in Tyrol?

>>508253
ARFP Just know civil war is shitty, and I don't want any part of it. You should talk about things, but just pull the civil war card as a threat.

>>508253
Also I don't want Civil war since it pit Christian brothers against each other, and I don' want Christian lives to be lost.

>>508409
Or white ones

>>508418
Yeah them too, but you understand I hate civil war and want to work something out with ARFP, see if there is a happy middle happy ground.

Since Civil is can't say this too much, but stupid as it does nothing, and I want no part in it, for something stupid like helping the Japs. ARFP shouldn't be ready to fight a civil war before talking stuff out.

>>508253
ARFP let work something out, just know I want no civil war of any kind. I don't want to deal with civil war bullshit.

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>Everybody's flipping their shit over me saying if we go German Empire with absolute monarchy or Nazi Reich I'm protecting the Freedom of the people.
>They think I'm starting a civil war over Japan as we speak, even though I was only considering it for a nit but then thought Japan is a shithole that fighting a civil war against a fighting force 3 times mind is worth it.
we will just outlaw taxes going into it in Hamburg, Bremen, Liechtenstein and Bavaria.
As for my AFRC, deploy them on the French border to build a counter Maginot line.

bless you all for making a thread like this :'D

>>509194
Same
>>507225

Thanks OP

Alright, I'm back. So, what's all this civil war talk about?

>>509258
How do/can new players get involved?

>>509263
Create a party, get elected, get into government. Unless the civil war happens, then you can just create a faction and/or become part of the new dictatorship.

>>509273
Oho.
Well then I'll lay low and lurk until something good happens and I can go all carpe diem on this shit.

>>509290
Yeah, i´m just waiting for the rest to come too. Might check out the new Crusader Kings DLC in the meanwhile.

>>509292
Well start doing the private army business and ramp up the NCP efforts to get more votes

>>509295
How do you intend to recruit and fund this private army? Through the state? The party? Some other institution?
How large do you intend to make it? Will it be organized, with specialized divisions and support battalions, or a simple militia?

>>509318
Well it's be a private party army, but we need a better economy first so let's invest in our African colonies, see if we can't find some good resources.

And we need to spread the word of Christ to the natives so I want a party supported programed funded by donates from anyone that want to help the natives, through churchs and through the party, it's purely donates. With the money raised it'll be used to build churchs and food for work program, where the natives can work and get paid with food and the word of God. In the bases the churches are in they will be protected by the party private army just a militia for now.

>>509318
Oh yeah make a investigate of my party to see if anyone is stealing money or using it for there own gain. If there are found doing this, they get send to Africa to help the natives they stole from.

>>509360
So you want to get your party to have its own army. With the funds available to your party alone you could probably raise ca. 20.000 men, or you could use some accounting tricks and dig up some cash from the state coffers.
A Christian mission to Africa is a bit old-fashioned, but it might touch the heartstrings of the old and the humanitarian people of the country.
>>509364
According to an internal audit, the NCP does not suffer from any corruption. The NCP's elected representatives might be another matter, however, as their public offices are not available for auditing.

>>509386
Well I don't want a full party army, just a militia to protect the party interests like the mission to Africa.

So I give the green light for Christian mission to Africa and let's try to Christian the Japs as well, will the Japaneses allow my missioners to talk to the Japanese people about Christ? If not let go for the Koreans while they are under Jap control they will be more alright with it. Also Christian Mission in India as well.

>>509318
Thru donations and some state money.
Also it will be a professional army that will protect the state

>>509386
Also my party will have a professional army Thru donations and some state money. That will protect the state

>>509392
Sorry about the late update, I was having dinner

The NCP manages to get enough in donations to launch Christian missions in Somalia and Eritrea. The Japanese are firmly against any sort of activity that disrupts their nations' unity, and Christianity has done exactly that in the past. The British, for their part, won't allow missionaries in India, but offer to allow missions in Nigeria, the Sudan and British Somaliland instead.

Also, if I understand you correctly you want a militia force to protect your missions abroad, while wanting a professional army as well to defend the nation a la Volksarm.

>>509655
Yea, also do all the missions we could do in Africa, that how your understanding it is correct. Get some missioners in China if we can, the places without the battle and the whole war. Give them Christ and some help in the Chinese missions.

>>509655
Because I care about my Country, lets take a look at Russia. What are they up to?

>>509665
Having both a professional army and a militia is interesting. So the militia is supposed to be small (ca.1000 men), while the professionals are the main army (ca.10.000 men), if I understand correctly.
Unfortunately, the war reaches over most of China. At his point, almost the entire country is run by local warlords, so a mission would be very dangerous as well.
>>509712
The Russians have been hard art work deindustrialising the West, with almost a quarter of all Russian industry having been moved over the Urals. A further five percent have been moved out of the RSFSR already, being placed into Almaty or the Fergana valley. Roads and airfields continue to be laid across the country, while food production stagnates.

>>509766
Well stay out of China for now, and focus on making the African into Christians, and as for the country, what industry is lagging behind?

I think we should look into researching rockets, I want Germany to be the first into space, but I know our tech is behind, so just start rocket research like the V2 rocket.

For the economy will look for untapped markets to sell our goods.

>>509774
I agree with this. Lets wait for one of the other projects to get done first

>>509774
>what industry is lagging behind
Mainly medium-scale civilian industries who produce knick-knacks, as the government' main focus has been on military, automobile and heavy industry.
>>509782
Fuck, I've forgotten all about the projects

I'ma sift through the last thread to try to remember

>>509838
Well kick start the knick-knack industries, make them do military toys, Christian knick-knacks, and other thing that that will get the people to buy it, also snow globes, and I want to make propaganda that God has the Germany back against any threat we may face.

>>509838
I thought there would have been a google drive or something. We had the long range rifle, the treaded vehicles, and better infantry loadouts.

>>509861
>thought there would have been a google drive or something.

It's 1940, Google is a long way away.

>>509852
You put forward a bill offering subsidies towards the production of military and christian toys and novelty items. Medium-scale manufacturing goes up a bit.

>>509917
How many airports are in our African holdings?

>>509920
Three, one in Tripoli, one near Benghazi, and one in Mogadishu. Some large towns or fortresses have crude airstrips but those are unfit for any more than a single military plane.

>>510033
Well lets throw down some asphalt for them and make them 2 lane.

>>510051
All colonial airfields are upgraded to two-lane airports, creating eight new airports in Lybia, four in the Somaliland, and one in Eritrea. This will cost 350mn RM.

>>510137
Alright. How are the ports in the colonies?

>>510137
Can we get a status on Enemy troops?
Do we need to fund an Intel departement?

Why don't you try turning that military production to something profitable, seeing as you're currently in the red. Develop and produce export ready war material like trucks and tankers, light tanks, recce vehicles, armoured cars and/or half-tracks.

Mainly sell them to sphereling nations but cast the net wide and try to sell either material or the license to build to other large non-communist nations like France, Britain or the like. Britain especially should be in the middle of trying to mechanise their professional army (while struggling with their at this point still mostly shitty artisan-based industry) and would provide a steady customer for trucks and transports if you could convince them to buy.

>>510179
Selling it to Eastern Europe states seems like an amazing money cow since it's cheaper for them to buy than develop.

>>510179
Well can ask America and try to sell to our Baltic allies

>>510202
America's much less likely to buy, as a rule the US has always produced its own stuff wherever it can and it has enough modern industry to manage pretty easily. At best you'd sell a licence for a vehicle or part of one and they'd go further develop it on their own. Baltic allies would probably go for it though.

>>510193
Yeah, though the size of their militaries and treasuries will limit how much money can be made. At the end of the day they won't be able to afford that much mechanisation. Ideally you'd want something like a panic order of say, recce vehicles from France after a set of wargames reveals they're severely lacking in that area.

>>510149
Libya and Somalia have ports in every city where the ocean is deep enough. Eritrea has two ports, Massawa and Asäb.
>>510167
I don´t know, CAN you?
>>510179
Britain unfortunately has its own industry, and does not wish to outsopurce their designs. that being said, you do have acces to a variety of Czech, Italian and German tanks and vehicles to sell.

>>510237
Yeah figured, maybe Belgium could be interested. First though sell to the spherelings and Baltic states, while making overtures to anyone else that will listen. Focus on selling easy to produce, use and maintain designs over powerful ones (so probably the Czechnology ones). Small nations tend to care more about how efficient something is than how effective. Encourage buyers to send feedback and performance reports so that we can take them into account for future domestic or export designs.

>>510277
Good idea also if they don't have the cash they could send resources in stand.

>>510277
You arrange for some military goods to be sold to your allies. they buy 1bn RM worth of goods up front, and will buy 2bn RM in the next 12 months.

>>510343
Ask our allies if they need any good in there markets? Also sell the novelty items to our allies and try to sell them to Americans as great German engineering.

>>510343
What's our Air Force like in terms of size, modernity and doctrine?

Additionally, we should invest heavily in our army's officer training and doctrine development, our use of antiquated, primarily homogeneous frontlines during the Czech annexation cost us dearly in time and men. We should try to encourage development of a modern, highly mobile and aggressive doctrine for our army. Maybe we'll end up with Soviet style deep offensives, British style grand battleplans with highly modular artillery and air support or something analogous to Blitzkrieg. At the end of the day we should just develop something. Know how and good leadership will almost always trump better equipment that's poorly used.

>>510347
Your allies are mostly self-sufficient, buying your raw resources to create their own goods to sell.
>>510425
Your airforce relies mostly on Me Bf-109 (ca.1000 planes) and Bf-110 (ca.500) fighters and Junkers 88 (ca.900), Junkers 87 (ca.1100) and Heinkel 111 (ca.500) bombers, with recon and seaplanes supplementing those numbers.

>>510488
Let go into research of the jet engine and rockets.

>>510488
Fuck accidentally cut this

It's decently modern, being slightly behind the OTL Luftwaffe.

Its doctrine is basically terror bombing with Ju 87, tactical bombings with Ju 88, and crude doctrines using the fighters to gain air supremacy. Aviation doctrine has been mostly sidestepped in favour of Blitzkrieg and motorized infantry doctrines.

>>510503
Well now that we have Blitzkrieg, lets look to some advanced German air strategies

>>510502
Alright then, that will take six months.

Also, at this point, the light machine guns and Sonderkraftfahrzeugs have been developed, and gone through a basic testing regime.

>>510503
We should develop our air superiority and close air support capabilities further, the latter is essential to supporting a Blitzkrieg style attack and cannot be implemented if the former cannot be established. Encourage greater cooperation between ground forces and their air cover and experiment with Luftwaffe Forward Air Controllers embedded at the Company or even Platoon level, first in the Fallschirmjager then if it is successful roll it out to army troops at a less dense level (Battalion or Company level).

Try and retrofit as many of our existing planes as we can and implement new marks to keep us modern. Especially try and buy a license for better engines from somewhere, German engines weren't very good until the Fw 190 as a rule, the 110 especially suffered from being severely underpowered. Any aircraft which can't be retrofitted up to our standards, sell to our allies.

Oh and increase the size, supply and training of our ground crews. Germans suffered the whole war with mechanics who weren't as numerous well trained or equipped as their allied counterparts and it basically cost them the air war.

>>510554
Do what this guy said

>>510554
And the fact that they threw all of their planes into the meat grinder during the Battle of Britain

>>510502
I'd recommend keeping this as a low priority, just stick some eggheads on it and give them a token budget. Early jets were ridiculously expensive, finicky and in many ways, not much better or even worse than some contemporary prop fighters. It's a good thing to have it under development, but I don't expect to see anything ready for combat service for several years.

>>510584
That was just one incident, though an important one, but most of the planes lost during the BoB would've been out of service in a year or two anyway. It was an issue that a lot of the planes that were lost couldn't be replaced by their industry quickly, but the most indicative thing of their real problem was that many that came back damaged couldn't be repaired in situ because their mechanics didn't know how to fix them or have the tools or numbers available to do so. So they scrapped them or had to send them all the way back home to be fixed up. This happened on every front throughout the war and it soon crippled the Luftwaffe's offensive capabilities.

>>510608
While I do agree that trained mechanics are always good, I think the problem was with how many pilots they lost during the prolonged battles. It is easy to make a plane, but to train a pilot takes a lot more time

>>510617
This is actually another good point and one I forgot. The Axis didn't have a good pilot training system set up, which is part of why they had ridiculously high scoring aces. Where the UK and US would pull these kind of pilots off of the front lines to train new pilots and had an incredibly robust system for getting new recruits ready for combat, the Germans left them on combat ops and kept cutting back training programs as the war went on, while the Allies made theirs more and more intensive. We should adopt a system where pilots who demonstrate great skill in combat are offered the opportunity to train new recruits and create a robust flight school system to ensure a steady flow of well trained pilots.

>>510637
I think it should be the second on our Armed forces priority. The army being first and the Air force being second and the navy third.

>>510644
The Kriegsmarine can be a distant third. Maybe we should commit to not expanding it much further and sign a deal with France and Britain saying we won't exceed the current total tonnage of our fleet by something like 30% for the next 5 years, maybe even scrap a few junkers that are more trouble than they're worth anyway. If we're not going to do much with the Navy, why not get some free PR with the West for our inactivity? It will especially placate the UK who don't like people competing with the RN.

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>>510554
That's a great post, have a tip

A large shift in doctrine is ordered, with close-air capabilities developed more, and the air force integrated into the general Blitzkrieg doctrine. The Mod quickly overhauls its system to create a department dedicated to relaying information and fostering communication between the Luftwaffe, the Fallschirmjäger and the Abwehr. Every Fallschirmjäger company is furthermore given a forward air controller to ensure smooth communication and co-operation.

A large number of factories are shifted towards producing Me 110s and Ju 88s to replace the older models, and a good fifth of Me109's and tenth of Ju 87's are retrofitted to bring them to the modern age. The engine used in the Fw 190, the BMW 801, actually already exists, and you can begin developing 190's right now.

A great increase in ground crews is ordered, and the mechanic crews are tripled in order to feed the new aircraft complex. Supply lines are enlarged and streamlined, and six extra months of training are given to all crew.

All in all, these reforms will cost 11bn RM.

I need to get some sleep, see you tomorrow.

>>510661
Sounds good.
>>510656
I think we should make a deal with them to, but in the future, my plan was to get the U.S a lot more distant from the U.K. All we really need are a lot of subs and we should be dandy. We did retrofit a lot of old trade ships as troop carriers. I think they worked very well

>>510661
Thanks, I think starting the development of the 190 might be a smart idea, as well as experimenting with mounting the 801 in existing airframes. With these reforms, I think any further Luftwaffe development can now wait.

>>510668
I'm still of the mind that distancing the UK and US from each other too much isn't really viable without something absolutely unforeseeable occurring. I'd instead recommend trying to placate the Allies where we can, maybe shift our politics left to align with theirs ever so slightly and try to establish a strong Western Coalition to oppose the Soviets and an increasingly Communist China.

We gain nothing antagonising them really, except the potential that when the Russians do come West, having the French or Brits stab us in the back. Better to play nice, make friends and try to heal old wounds. Besides America tends to like nations that play nice on the world stage, so the quickest way to an alliance with her is probably through not pissing off Western Europe anymore.

>>510703
Well I don't think it would be completely impossible. At least sponsoring some U.S. politicians that are isolationists.

>>510703
The FW 190 is drawn up, and prototypes are being built as we speak. It will be available in four months.

The Sturmgeschütz I and III are now available, the I being a more mobile artillery gun on treads, and the III being an infantry transporter and more mobile tank destroyer. General equipment upgrades have also been developed, and within two months the entire army can be outfitted with this new equipment, for approx. 6 billion RM.

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>>512876
What a clusterfuck. What is the Average German soldier's load out?

>>512942
I don't know what a load out is, sorry.

>>512971
Should have phrased that better. Cultural differences. The gear. The set up. What the Average soldier carries

>>512977
Sorry about the late reply, had to dig around a bit to find an answer

The average soldier carried 45 lbs (20.4kg) of equipment, consiting of ammunition, bayonets, bread and water rations, a gas mask, his rifle, additional small arms (pistols, grenades et al.), and other equipment depending on the front.

>>513069
Maybe we can look into some basic entrenchment tools. These could not be built out of wood and metal, instead maybe a plastic.

>>513069
Well let's research on making MOLLE which means Modular Lightweight Load-carrying Equipment. For our soldier so they have a easier time carrying more equipment, the MOLLE was not made until 1997 and it's not something hard to do.

So let see if we can have it done and researched, the reason why it was used until 1997 was because countries didn't look into it.

Rolled 75 (1d100)

>>513076
Entrenchment tools already exist, they're one the front-dependent tools.

Alright, you begin to research Modular Lightweight Load-carrying Equipment, or MOLLE for short. It'll take either a couple of months of a year, depending on certain factors.

>>513108
Anything special happened with that roll that your writing about?

Also make sure the African missions are happening in full force

>>513166
The African missions are going swimmingly. The MOLLE will be researched in three months.

>>513227
Well I want to send Missions to the middle east, since it still under British rule the Muslims will be less killing all infidels I want to give Christ to them.

Also for our country I want to work on the Economy, so how about we talk with the Baltic states, and see if they need some factories in there lands, that way there unemployment goes down, and we both get profit from it. factories that will use the Baltic states resources really well.

>>513238
You can send a mission to the Middle East, but there is a 3/4 chance you will fail.

The Baltics have most of the factories they need, but factories for export are always welcome.

>>513373
Alright I don't send missions to the Middle East.

For the Government let's make a law in our written constitution that is like the American 2rd amendment protecting the citizen rights to bear arms. How about skipping time to see how things are going. Just try to buddy it up more with the French and the USA by doing trading deals.

Also be sure to make good MRE for our soldiers to eat.

Let's also make rails for our guns so we can mount grips and sights and grenade launchers to our guns.

>>513373
Also make sure we make some good scopes for the guns

>>513381
A law is drafted protecting the rights of German citizens to bear arms. It will have to be run by the other parties to be made law, though.

>>513451
>scopes
>not 360 noscoping Bolsheviks

Disappointed in you

>>513500
We add the scopes so there are not used.

Also how about making Let's also make rails for our guns so we can mount grips and sights and grenade launchers to our guns. And ramp up my party campaigning everywhere as I want to protect all the people freedom and give them gun rights.

Also I want a small time skip to when something happens.

>>513512
You create rails for infantry rifles to attach accessories to. It will take three months to equip the Abwehr with these rails.

Going to call it quits for today, not a lot of people seem to be here.

>>513578
Well see you, I think is because people are running out of ideas, and we don't know what is happening with the Japs and the commies, and the war didn't happen yet.

>>513578
Went out to eat. Sorry

>>513500
I agree.

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>>513512
>Copying what I said for the fifth time in this thread

>>513500
I agree

>>514558
>>515018
Looks like the 2nd Amendment: German edition passes. So is everyone in favour of a time skip? Do you want to do anything first?

>>515353
Progress in Luxembourg, maybe evan an Anschluß

>>515377
Luxembourg is currently around 10% german, and although the Luxembourger government is cautious in dealing with Germany due to French influence, they are still quite friendly.

thread seems to be slow this weekend, guess I'll just take it easy.

>>515579
Helping some friends move. Probably gonna be out today.

>>515679
Well then, I'll just come back on Monday and see how it is then. Going to play some CK2 in the meantime.

>>515755
Just when I got back the QM is gone

>>515353
I'd say maybe consider signing a Naval Limitations agreement with the Western Powers (saying Germany won't lay down any new hulls other than to replace destroyed/scrapped vessels and that we won't exceed our current naval gross tonnage by something like 15%) before taking the time skip, so that we can reap the rewards to our foreign relations in the meantime.

The agreement itself can either be done without demand of recompense or for them to do the same, in a show of peacemaking or we could try to convince them to similarly limit any further militarisation by any signatory of the French-German border, ie no new forts other than to replace defunct ones, no increases to border garrisons sizes without obtaining the consent of the other signatories, etc. This is an ambitious proposal but by piggybacking it onto an offer to limit our navy I think we can make it work.

Sign it with the UK, France, Belgium, a couple of our closer/more powerful spherelings and if they can be persuaded to observe it as a mediator, the United States. Not only will it lower tensions, it makes us looks pretty great to the US (which you're trying to cozy up to at every turn it seems) but even if things do go sour, we benefit more from a less fortified French-German border than they do, with our offensive Blitzkrieg doctrine.

>>517836
Oh and the deal should be for 5 years, barring its overturning by unanimous decision of the signatories.

>>513578
I would also recommend scaling back this program substantially, for the following reasons:
> These are the first rails of their kind ever made, and they were designed basically overnight, they almost certainly don't work very well, wobble, break, bend etc.
> We can't afford with a 1930/40s industry to produce large enough numbers of scopes to equip even a fraction of our infantry (lenses are real expensive), and if we did, scopes of the time were finicky, easy to break and unsuited to regular line infantry combat.
> With WW2 style total war, and a non-professional military like ours, we don't need the average infantryman to be able to customise his gear, it's superfluous at best and lets draftee rookies make dumb mistakes at worst.

Instead we should roll it out to a small number of elite units for field testing and development. Snipers, a Fallschirmjager Division, a couple of Pioneer and maybe our premier Panzergrenadier units. Once it's had a year or so to get the kinks ironed out, then roll it out to Special Forces, Fallschirmjagers, Snipers and our best Shock/Assault Troops. This way it gets into the hands of the troops that'll put it to best use in enough numbers to matter. Additionally, consider what you will develop to actually mount on these rails. Foregrips are an idea, but the modern Grenade Launcher doesn't exist and would have to be developed almost entirely from scratch (the closest to it is the Federal Riot Gun, which was not really up to use with frag rounds) and then adapted into something that would fit on the bottom of a rifle, likely ending up bulky, unreliable and uncomfortable. If it found use, again it would likely only be in elite units who had a particular mission focus that could make use of such experimental or eccentric weapons.

You know what, we should just rigorously field test all the new stuff we've introduced, a lot of it is brilliant and cutting edge, but a bunch of countries experimented with these very technologies before during or after ww2 and dropped them because the technology at the time couldn't make them work in an actual military. So lets find the bits that don't work properly, fix and simplify where we can, and recall what we can't.

>>517836
>Literally wanting to sign another Versailles

I refuse, then they can just attack us with their supernavys. I do not want Germany Raped again because it will make us look obedient.

>>518086
>undoing a major advancement that won't be around for 30 years.
ACOGs and holographic sights will remain on firearms, also, who said we had an unproffesional army? Even the party forces are proffessional.

>>518236
>another Versailles
The Nazis were actually the ones who made a naval limitation treaty with the UK OTL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-German_Naval_Agreement
>>518086
Right then, we'll skip time into the beginning of 1941, and field test a lot of equipment in the meantime.

>>518419
Made sure the African missions are happening and maybe one in Vietnam since it's own by the French,

>>518464
The African missions are progressing slowly but surely, managing to convert a few villages. A mission is sent to Vietnam as well, to spread the good word.

>>518471
The missions I have to say is Protestant in nature, also
Well try to get international help from the American Protestants and see if we can work together to spread the good word. This is just party stuff, alright,

While the government as a whole try to work out trade deals with the USA and others countries so Germany has to pay less tariffs and taxes shipping goods.

>>518480
The mission project is extended to allow Americans access and Americans, mainly Midwesterners, flock towards the project. The Americans are open to lowering tariffs on goods and services, but it has to be bilateral.

>>518484
Well for the lower tariffs on goods and services do so on the items we make too much of, and make the American lower tariffs on goods we need and buy of them.

Also I want to ramp up our auto car industrial get the people with a low cost car to sell in Africa and the poorer states in Europe

Also how that '''''Herbs"""" research looking? Also I want to do what the people of Germany problems are, if it's alcohol, herbs, crime, drugs that type of thing to know if we need to fix something with the citizens.

>>518493
That's not how a bilateral tariff reduction works. Either you lower tariffs for a product on both sides, or you lower it for neither side.

You decide to begin a stimulus program for the auto industry, to create another export product for Germany. Do you want a private company to do it or to create a public company?

Surprisingly, alcohol seems to be the drug of choice in Germany, and the source of most of Germany's problems are its excessive drinking and amount of drunkards.

>>518518
Well what is something we need from the US but we ourselves make little to nothing of it? That the thing I want to bilateral tariff on.

For alcohol it's Germany bloodline, so start a AA programs that teach the drunkards to cut back or stop doing it all together with the help of God of course. Also do some drunk driving laws, like you can't have this much alcohol if your going to drive. Also do some research on effects of alcohol.

For our cars make it a private company also a new law about adding seat belts for cars. For the private company make sure that know what there doing so we don't bail them out all the time, they need to keep themselves afloat.

Also let's make German Shepard a more popular breed worldwide, start training the dog to be use for police work, and show the Americans what the German dog can do, find drugs, stop bad guys, just a way to have stronger ties, and get people more in love with all Germans.

Also we should look at is Industrial that are lagging behind or that are untapped while we have the resources of it. What things industrial could we do that we are not looking at?

>Cracking down on alcohol
Because that worked soooo well with Prohibition.
Also advert for BMW overseas.
What's the Luxembourg situation?
Are they still leaning towards the French?

>>518567
Well cracking down on alcohol doesn't work, I'm just providing help if they need it, also a simple no drunk drivers it's not that extreme.

Alcohol is in German blood.

>>518570
Oh okay, but I thought we had a no drunk driver rule already!

>>518567
This. No Prohibition

>>518567
>What's the Luxembourg situation?
Are they still leaning towards the French?
Yes they are. They are quite friendly towards Germany, but pragmatism forces them to side with France politically.
>>518539
>Well what is something we need from the US but we ourselves make little to nothing of it?
Most raw materials excluding iron and coal. Meat and cereals are also in short supply in Germany, but that can be imported from other areas such as Argentina, Romania or Poland.
However, if the US is to make a treaty it must see benefit for itself in it. Opening up the German market towards its refined products would be a good incentive.

>>518713
Well we don't really have a big manufacturing base for refined products. I don't think it would cut into our economy

>>518713
Do the deal with the US of refined products.
Also see if they want to work together making a new weapon for our solders together

>>518750
I doubt it. The U.S. isn't at the stage for joint production and they never have really been big on that anyway

>>518760
Well it never hurt to ask and will show that we want to work with the US even if they don't agree. It the offering that I think the US will look at.

>>518735
>>518750
A formal deal is made with the United States giving Germany access to raw resources in exchange for American industry getting access to German markets.
You offer the Americans to start a joint military project together, but the respectfully decline. They might be interested in trade, but political isolationism still rules in Washington.

>>518805
Yep. Is FDR still in?

>>518814
Yeah It's 1941

>>518805
Also Let's try to get missions going in the Dutch colonies if they let us.

For the Government thing we should look into building some things in Africa looking for pockets of metals or other things and start mining them.

>>518814
Yep, guy is still hanging on
>>518835
The Dutch unfortunately don't trust you. Opening some mines in Africa is perfectly possible though.

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>>518242
There's no way we could have an army this size of entirely volunteers. No way at all, we also don't have ACOGs, we don't know how to make tritium illuminated reticles, not to mention lacking the 50 years of industrial and optical progress that the ACOG is built upon. Our scopes almost certainly don't look like an ACOG, they look like one of these. We also won't be able to produce enough to give them to all our soldiers, not without diverting valuable industry and materials away from stuff like Artillery and Tank optics, bombsights and other such equipment that do far more to win wars than an infantry combat sight.

>>518863
Well that should change that in 1944

>>518888
What was this conversation based on? Still kinda fuzzy

>>518894
Basically I want us to not roll out the rails and rifle scopes to everyone all at once because I don't think it'll help in most cases and it's likely that none of it works very well at the moment. Instead I'd rather test this technology thoroughly with elite units and the once it's done testing roll it out to units that will actually benefit from the tech.

Basically I'd rather make sure stuff works and not needlessly produce. Just follow the reply chain back up if you want more context.

>>518914
I think you want one really well made scope instead of ten different ones that suck ass?

>>518888
Quads confirm, we do not have a volunteer army. General conscription was introduced in 1936 during the Italian war. Since then the Abwehr and Fallschirmjäger have balloned in size, from 100.000 to 1.017.000, not counting the 90.000 men enlisted in the Volksarm and the 10.000 in the NCP's paramilitary.
>>518889
Why would it change in '44?

>>518925
Something like that, probably more like one scope that works instead of 10 that don't. Honestly it's 1941 so the scope will probably still break easily, get moisture inside behind the lenses and become a fogged up nightmare and all that other stuff that comes with non-modern optics but I'd rather test it so we KNOW that and can mitigate it where possible.

>>518863
Speaking of QM, has this testing turned up any major flaws in equipment that can't be fixed with a new Mark?

>>518940
Well the General Election, but if I recall, Dewey got blown the fuck out in the election. Maybe we can try to change that

>>518940
Well I have a great idea, to start up private companies that make guns, Like the private companies of Swift and Wesson, Glock and others.

Glock while a private Company in Austria sells to the German Army, so let's start up Gun private companies.

>>518967
Well if there is a need, the private market will eventually start a company. We have Krupp

>>518971
What your idea on what the government should do?

>>518979
Well we still have a lot of factories we bought during the depression. We could put them up for sale at a lowered price, but I think we would be guiding the market towards a crash

>>518940
QM keep going research on rockets and nuclear stuff.

>>518986
Maybe we'll need some can food, or other random factions that make food goods. Support me with the research while we figure out what to do with the factories.

>>518986
Well I'm not selling mine, but I'm open to renting them.

>>519010
Well the parties don't own them,, the state does.

>>518971
Not to mention Mauser

>>518940
Also, I've been posting in here pretty regularly now, so I think I'll just take the dive and declare myself a party: I form the Europäische Zusammenarbeit Partei or European Cooperation Party (EZP), our policies are primarily focussed on the preservation of our democratic system, more trade and cooperation with Western Europe and the US (funny that) and guiding our foreign policy away from further annexations or invasions (if a nation wants to join us they can have a referendum or civil war about it) towards greater stability in Europe through peaceful coexistence and joint defence against the Soviet threat. We will begin campaigning across German, searching for areas sympathetic to our cause (areas who suffered a lot of war dead during the annexation wars, who have large non-German populations, anywhere which has cause to dislike expansionist policies or antagonising Western Europe).

Finally we will begin trying instigate peaceful (this word is important) demonstrations against the NCP paramilitary by the people. While I don't necessarily disagree with the NCP's policies, I think private party armies are a clear and present threat to the sanctity of our democracy and at best should be turned over to the command of the Abwehr or disbanded.

>>519015
Well EZP the paramilitary I have is used only to protect the missions my party has around the world it's not set in Germany. It's a militia, but I'm willing to disband it if no other party has any armies of any kind.

>>519019
I'd be happy to accept its subsumation into the regular armed forces. It's officers would have to be replaced but other than that it could remain mostly intact and continue its current duties. I just don't want a situation where parties can even be tempted to enforce their domestic policy by military might.

>>519026
I think there was talk of private armies but that died down. You can keep yours, but I would rather you not

>>518940
Also QM my party in areas that saw war and my Non German areas set up places were people can get a warm meal, a nice drink, and the good word of God and Christ

>>519026
Just give the officers jobs in the other beaches of the army, and I would enforce things we don't want since I don't want to hurt my Christian brothers

>>519034
Well mostly everyone doesn't have a private army. It was only to response of the threat of civil war that I will never want.

>>519034
I still have mine under joint control of the state, also I did buy a couple in thread 2 or 3 for spreading of adverts and instead of I voted stickers, goodies to help gain more votes, but that was early on.

>>519015
Stay out of my influence areas and you're fine.

>>519042
Well you can keep your 3 I guess.

>>519015
Also don't go to my area

>>519034
>>519039
>>519042
Since you seem to be the big three major parties and you're all here at the moment, I'd like to repropose the Naval/Border Limitations agreement I proposed here: >>517836 Now I know ARFP is against it but I'd like to know if you are all against it in sheer principle or whether it could be altered to be more palatable to you? If so what would you like to change about it. Let's you know, try and democratically debate and then pass a policy.

I'm sorry but I campaign in all your areas, if you have done well by your constituents and they agree with your policies and outlook, you'll beat me fair and square (and you probably will, your parties are far more established and influential than my brand new one) that is the beauty and value of a democracy.

>>519015
The thing about your party is really like the rest of us at least to me, since my party is against annexations and invasions, I join when the Czech invasion was happening. Also I always try to get more trade and preservation our system and really is like you. So I don't think you would have much votes in my areas.

My party always had help Germans and non Germans, so I don't think I'll see much change in my area of control.

The thing about the plan is I like it but not the navy plan, we should try to get them to sign, leaving the navy part out first to see how they feel.

>>518948
Oh, I thought you were referring to the Dutch.
>>518943
The equipment has been proven to work in field tests all around Germany, as well a in Slovakia and Italy. A couple of flaws have been found, mainly relating to performance in temperatures of -15°c or lower. The Panzer IVs and Sonderkraftfahrzeugs, furthermore, cannot go up inclines of 9% or higher, and therefore cannot go up steep slopes or mountains.
>>519015
That sounds bretty gud, we haven't had a "progressive" party since the Greens came and went. You'll probably be best off campaigning in Veneto, Central Germany and Czechia. Speaking of which, Czechia doesn't actually have voting rights. And the Sudeten question is still unanswered. What to do with Czechia?

Well, I've got to go to sleep. See you tomorrow.

>>519103
Well QM my party is like there "progressive" party but with Christ since I hold the same ideas as them

Also mass campaigning in Veneto, and Czechia and the area I have control of. Show that that I care about the people, set up food kitchens, and other things so people have a place to stay and eat. Also say we all Brothers under God and we need to stick together under the NCP party. To have a more peaceful Germany.