DER KRIEG VII: Peace for our time

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But all is not well within Europe. In Central Europe, with the Allies and Germans pledging to protect Poland, the Polish-Czechoslovak alliance has fallen apart. Now surrounded by German-friendly nations, the Czechoslovaks have begun partial mobilization, bringing their army up to 300.000 men. In the East, meanwhile, the Soviet union condemns the decadent democracies of Europe, calling the treaty a knife to the throat of the proletariat. Rumours are that Stalin has ramped up the purge of Soviet officers to create a new, stronger Red army.

>>437148
Suprise invasion of Czechoslovakia

>>437239
Fuck no, actually this is the perfect time to go to war with Russia. However it is inevitably the better course of action to make them die out from economic means, swindling them in trade deals and embargoes etc. that is what made the soviet a fall in the first place.
For now I suggest we pay off our debt by raising some taxes and instituting some social welfare policies. That or getting rid of debt+using the surplus to extend and increase the intensity of the deal we made previously with our allies to improve infrastructures including electricity and running water in every remotely populated area.

>>437322
You continue building up the German welfare and infrastructure programs, while setting aside a small sum to pay off your debts. How do you plan to swindle them in trade?

Also should probably put my trip back on

>>437530
What the Soviets need and what Stalin wants is industrial equipment and loyal people. We give the soviet state what it needs and deprive Stalin of what he wants, by giving him industrial equipment in exchange for agriculture produce and at the same time sending spies to work a resistance movement amongst the military.

>>437554
What this will effectively do is relieve some pressure from the people of the soviet state, we can use this as humanitarian propaganda in addition to offhandedly insulting Stalin. Spies in the military will ultimately oversee the affairs of the country and make certain national unity is low
Additionally we can send small arms in black market deals to oppressed ethnic minorities and anti-Stalin sympathizers, strengthening our position in the Soviet Union.

>>437554
The Soviets do not wish to engage in trade with you for industrial equipment, restricting trade to raw materials only. It is worth noting that you have quite a large trading deficit with the SU.

>>437630
What is our trading history with them? Current deals and the whole shebang.

>>437643
Oil, rubber, grain, manganese, bauxite ore for aluminium smelting, and chromium, although Iran has some reserves that could be mined.
You export to them coal, iron, steel, and various luxury products.

>>437711
This adds up to a trade deficit? Well before we cut ties let's hold a council of all the worlds powerful leaders and country ambassadors and convince them that the soviets need to be embargoed and that embargo will be effective because all of the countries within the Soviet Union have a history of underdevelopment and strife, considering they have a massive army and such they are constantly running themselves thin. This would be a humanitarian oversight if we do not help those people but we can help in other ways.
Either way let's see how many people show up and react to this. Obviously we are not inviting the soviets or their allies to the meeting.

>>437786
A meeting is held at the League of nations at your behest, with the Comintern countries' invitations being handily lost. There you argue for the complete embargo of the SU on the grounds of their massive army and underdevelopment. Several criticisms are made against your arguments, including Stalin's industrialization efforts in the past year and the fact that, for it's size, the Red army isn't too large. Also, many League nations depend heavily on Soviet goods, and do not want to put that in jeopardy. The Allies back you tentatively though, and your spherelings give you their full backing.

>>438031
Display empathy for those that rely on Soviet resources, still talk about that Stalin is a dangerous man and should be deposed. The Soviet Union and their recent purge has literally killed millions, a massive blood clot in the advancement of humanity. If we must retain relations with the red scare, then we shall put a new head on it so it does not create such issues in the future.

where are the previous quests?

>>438139
The Assembly is shocked by what you suggest. Deposing Stalin is a whole other dimension from an embargo, and would mean millions killed, and more importantly, millions from their countries. It seems like too drastic an action, and with too little to gain, since the Comintern still trades with the outside world just fine.

>>438190

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>>438219
Here. Can we egg the Russians into war?

>>438195
>>438249
We can point out the Katyn massacre to the polish and wait for the Russians to attack, they will attack in time, but probably not until they can get 5th columnists into the country.

>>438219
Wait is this like a civ quest, but with political parties instead?

>>438257
Kinda. It is kinda political hardcore

>>438249
I don't think we should do that. We have projects going on that will be helped by not going into war.


For example, I want to finish the infrastructure program, perhaps even expanding it into any willing nations (for instance, Iran).

I also feel we will need to begin a multitude of army modernisation, expansion and innovation programs. Motorising our army, developing new equipment and then expanding it to fight the Russians.

I even would suggest building some fortifications in Poland to delay any pushes by the Russians and to allow them to bleed themselves on our concrete castles before we begin our attack.

>>438269
Germans aren't allowed in Poland, but our German Infrastructure is modern and clean. We should only mobilize if the Russians Declare war.

>>438249
Seeing as how this is the height of the Great Purge, probably not.
>>438257
The Katyn massacre hasn't happened yet, it's only the middle of 1937, plus Poland still stands.

>>438292
And I suppose the Allies want peace still? How is Spain going?

>>438279
Incorrect. German soldiers aren't allowed in Germany and if I remember right we altered the deal so we are allowed them there to train the poles and do other such things.


Plus, we don't need to send troops to make fortifications. Instead we need a few thousand people to go and map the region. A few military designers, civil engineers and architects to figure out how to best defend the region and then cheap labour to build the advised defences.

To assuage the polish goverment that we aren't going to invade them, our mappers would be brought in under polish guard until in the region. Since we would be designing defences on the soviet-polish border, the information would be useless for a German invasion.

>>438307
German soldiers aren't allowed in poland, but we could get away with some fortification building.

>>438322
The question is what to focus on? Airfields and anti-air cannons? Anti-tank and machine gun bunkers? Mortar case-mates and barbed wire? There are many possibilities yet unless all are present the soviets will break them.


We must counter endless waves of infantry while resisting airborne and tank-based bombardment. If they breach even a single length of the line, we can't throw them back without extreme losses.

>>438341
Their Air force is laughable, but we have to worry about the Zerg rushes. Anti-tank mines, anti-personnel mines, anti tank guns, and intricate bunker systems with too many guns on them.

>>438345
So we are going for Maginot line; part two, now with no alternate land paths (unless you go through the middle east... or Denmark...)!

>>438305
The Allies still want peace, yes.
>>438341
Keep in mind that this is 1937, and neither you or the Soviet Union are in any shape to create "endless waves of infantry".

>>438390
The soviets however, have the numbers to throw at any defences. We won't, ever. Our advantage is actually having enough industry to equip our army.

>>438364
Yeah. Maginot line two electric boogalo.

>>438397
>The soviets however, have the numbers to throw at any defences.
Not for a good two years. The Soviet government is embroiled in purging over a million citizens, many of which are in the nomenklatura, severely weakening their ability to conscript men.

>>438432
And we couldn't wage War against the Soviets, right?

>>438437
It would be very painful.

>>438443
1944u

>>438461
Any way, both of those plans, be it fortification or war, require we have the industry and numbers to back them.


Thus I feel we should focus our surplus on the infrastructure program and African territorial projects.

>>438471
We should have the Industry. Especially since we have a huge amount of industrialized territory

>>438437
Not as a democracy, no. The Nazis spent 60% of GNP on the Soviet war effort back in '42, which with your economy would be closer to 70%, which is unaffordable.

>>438484
True but there is never enough industry. Not until we can afford to give every squad a T-70-esque support vehicle and the rest have more gear than all of /k/.

>>438500
Then we improve our economy. What are taxes at?

>>438513
Taxes are 25% for income and corporate, or approx. 30 billion Reichsmarks.

>>438526
What is Minimum wage?

>>438526

Spread rumours through bars and some of the spies we have (by covert leaflets or bar talk and only a few, dont want all our spies to be caught) that the kingdom of germany is willing to accept political refugees fleeing purges.

And then when they inevitably come through poland, accept them. We'd gain a number of officers who they cannot reintegrate from their gulags and probably a large number of intelligensia.

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>>438533
There is no minimum wage.
>>438589
Whispers spread throughout the Soviet Union that there is an escape from Stalin's wrath through Poland, and that the Soviets are censoring news of officers being granted political asylum. A few dozen officers, mostly those formerly stationed at the border, turn up in Poland.
Meanwhile, in the outskirts of Beijing, a scuffle between Japanese and Chinese soldiers seems to have spiraled out of control. Last night Hideki Tojo announced that a state of war now exists between the Empire of Japan and the Republic of China. It seems world peace won´t be achieved just yet.

And I´m going to hit the hay for the night.

>>438632
Good Riddance. Fuck both those guys.

>>438632
My party seeks to put in place a minimum wage that while not particularly high, does make sure that workers can pay for housing and food with some extra if they work their normal hours.

This.
Let's also make standard workday from 9:30 to 5

>>438650
I agree.

>>438650
That would be somewhere around 45 Reichspfennig an hour.
>>438726
>7 1/2 hours of work per day
What is this, France? True Deutscher wörk 12 hours a day for the Vaterland!

>>440082
I say 9 hours. Germans are hard workers like the Amerikans across the ocean. Lets cut some of the restrictions off and let kids 16 years or older start working.

>>440094
>8:30-5:30
We support 8 hour work days with the tagline "Besser arbeit, besser leben"
9 is still too much

>>440114
also this is ARFP

>>440114
What about "Work sets you Free"

>>440118
you can advert with that, my party is doing better work better life though.

>>440094
You pass a law setting 9 hours as the official length of the German workday, and anything beyond that is overtime. The German people rejoice in getting more overtime pay, and the phrase "Arbeit macht frei" becomes a common phrase in the German vocabulary.
>>440114
Why do you hate work? Are you a communist or something?

>>440161
Alright. At this time, how are our colonies doing?

no, but working 8 to 5 is still crazy.
8 seems good to me because it just works.

>>440185
Well 8 is normal now, but we really need to boost our economy. In the future, we can adjust accordingly.

>>440197
true
9 should be the max
Also make our colonies independent states to an extent nd make like a commonwealth of sorts.
also cut up our colonies to be sensitive to local ethnicities.

>>440165
Libya has quickly risen to have living standards comparable to central Italy. However, most of Libya's wealth is in the hands of Italian settlers, leaving the average Libyan impoverished.
Somalia is decent, with average wages being around 1/3 of those in mainland Germany, and limited intustrialization in Mogadishu and the Jubaland. It is self-sufficient in food and export a small amount of cash crops.
Eritrea is pretty shit, even for an African country. Beyond the coastal cities lawlessness reigns as governors barter with hostile tribes in order to get the supplies and taxes they need. The cities themselves are in dire straits, living standards being comparable to Auschwitz, the Gulags, or Gary, Indiana. The only reason people don't leave is that most of the ships break down before they reach their destinations.

>>440219
>>440223
For Libya, set up food and education centers to teach them how to farm properly and irrigate. As for the shit hole, send 2 divisions of infantry down there to maintain order until we can invest. What's going on in Spain?

>>440223
begin putting effort into our colonies.
Send a couple of divisions into Etitrea to wipe out insurgents.
put alot of money into making them as good ad Germany, and allow them to elect their own officials.

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>>440232
The situation in Spain is stable, with the Republican forces, along with ten of your divisions, steadily pushing back the Nationalists.
>>440232
>>440250
You send two divisions of infantry down to Eritrea, and plan to send some money for investment as well. The soldiers ask you to do it fast, people are flooding into their makeshift barracks because they're better then their regular homes.
In Lybia, you begin a concerted effort to teach citizens proper irrigation and farming techniques. Of course, water may be a bit of a problem.
In Lybia

>>440291
Alright. In Eritrea, are there any people there who now how to build fucking houses? Or even just basic living quarters? Actually, offer companies exclusive mining rights there if they will build the required housing and utilities. They can pay the people 10 Reichspfennig a day.

Finish up Spain.
Begin building new infrastructure such as power plants in our colonies and give them some autonomy.

>>440307
>10
Min wage at least anon.
We need to treat them as we treat our people

>>440291
Focus on providing housing in Eritrea. Have the deployed troops, assuming they have no rebels to suppress or any other such threats, begin digging trench-housing for the people of the territory.

>>440291

With regards to the defected red army soldiers, have them debriefed by some of our intelligence agencies. No coercion, just get some cooperation from them, hinting that they will be treated better for just abit of info, anything they can give us. Any equipment they might have carried with them, guns and what not, pass over to our r&d for an overview.

Then resettle the defected soldiers away from poland, possibly in the rhine or in our new territories in former italy, making sure that they are comfortably housed and are gainfully employed.

>>440335
But the company is gonna end up building Infrastructure and living areas as well as utilities. 20 is highest

>>440363
Nein! Nein!
This is not fair to treat German people as untermensch

>>440363

We can do it in a different manner. House them free of charge in exchange for labour for a number of years. Loyal continued service for our development company will see them eventually earning the apartment they live in. And we can pay them the reduced amount for years. Say 10-15 years or so. And it wont be so bad on them since they have the target to work towards and have a roof over their heads.

Of course, this should be cheap apartment blocks that are fast and cheap to build while still being liveable.

>>440389
For minimum wage?

>>440389
so slavery?
Let's just treat them as Germans.

>>440403
More accurately, indentured servitude that they enter of their own free will.

>>440410
If the company can provide quality housing and electricity, then they can get away with paying 20

>>440403

Its not slavery. Reduced wages for company living arrangements.

And not indentured forever since they earn the houses over time and their wages dont have to be at that lower level for all those years, there can be wage inceases.

Simply, this allows us to reduce the immediate investment funds required to be injected immediately, allowing it to be spread over future years.

Too much of a deficit and citizens will be complain why so much money is being diverted offshore and not for much clear benefit for germany.

>>440410
why is treating them as equals a bad idea?
seriously, build up ther shit, bring corporations to provide jobs, etc
make vacation spots

>>440307
>>440337
>>440361
You focus on building new houses in Eritrea, and creating jobs in mining for the people. The local tribes put up much resistance against mining, which slows down progress on jobs and housing significantly. Do you kill them, move them somewhere else, or something else entirely?

>>440425
How large are the tribes?

>>440420

Because currency valuations.

There would be very little reason for private companies to invest and develop products here if the currency was as strong as in the fatherland. A weaker colonial currency, as practised like UK, allows goods to be more cheaply manufactured and shipped and sold there rather than having them made in germany directly. If it was of the same value, they might as well save freight time and set up a factory here.

Plus flooding their local economies with too much buying power leads to chaos. It needs to be done in stages. We can pay better than what is currently being done but we cannot just make them all local millionares overnight.

>>440425
Is it uniform resistance? Armed or just blocking? Send representatives, german and locals along with some bodyguards to attempt to negotiate with them, find their grievances.

Limit mining to current sites and use some infantry as guards but with orders to shoot to kill only as a last resort.

>>440445
Slowly over time. But I think there should be some wage. Have we agreed on it yet?

>>440459

A factory worker in germany earned about 40/hr in that time period.

I think 20 is a good benchmark at this point, considering the additional housing.

>>440445
ah okay
otherwise we should give them full German rights and regular housing.
Be back soon, I'm on vaca and I'm gonna go to the pool and bar.

>>440429
Around five thousand people each, although in some cases tribes try to band together.
>>440445
The resistance does not have uniforms. They aren't armed, although in some cases spears have been chucked at aggressive miners. They demand you cease attempting to exploit their land, and allow them to use it for low-intensity agriculture.

>>440542
If they try to attack, shoot on sight. How does the citizens feel about the tribes?

>>440542
State that unless they are willing to buy the land or can show proof of ownership under the Italian or German rule they can't expect us to alter our plans.

>>440575
The citizens do not care about the tribes, only about getting jobs and housing.
>>440645
You tell them to either show ownership of the land or buy it if they want to live there. They say they will do neither, this land has been theirs for centuries, and resist moving. You have them all shot, and progress marches on.

>>440726
Alright. Lets genocide them if they aren't dead already.

>>440771
Nope. No genocide.
Eritrea should be turned into the Dubai of Africa, that or we build a port and evacuate citizens in mass emigration to Iran or Somalia or just spread them out everywhere amongst our spheres.

We are putting up the humanitarian game here, let's not ruin it over silly genocide.

>>440785
Its only a couple of thousand

>>440771
>>440785
So lads, what will it be?

Also, I switched computers

>>440851
Well is there a cheap and easy way to kick them out of the country?

No genocide. any strikers just ignore them and kill any who attack.
We're good people

>>440858
You could Trail of Tears them into Ethiopia, but that would greatly anger the Ethiopians.

>>440896
If it is only a few thousand, then we have to kill them. We are nice to the people that want help.

>>440896
Eeeh no thank you, emigration to willing colonies, sphere states and Germany itself even would be preferable
>inb4 we have a bunch of niggers escaping their shitty countries to rape Europeans.

>>440909
We aren't putting them into Europe. If there is no willing country, we have to kill them.
Aren't you supposed to be ruining a country, Merkel?

>>440910
Fine we aught to jam the lot of them in Somolia/Iran/lybia.

>>440920
We can just put them on a ship and sail them to Australia.

>>440896
Could we pay the Ethiopians to take them?


Alternate plans are thus;

1) Work around them, if they get in the way eliminate them but if they stay out, we leave them be.

2) Section off part of the country for them to live on.

3) Genocide, enslaving, poisoning whatever method. Aggressive elimination.

4) Pay some tribes to eliminate other tribes until one is left, let that one exist / kill them off. Hides our actions as "tribal" war and lets us kill the survivors for being such savages.

>>440907
One for genocide
>>440909
One for going full Merkel
>>440939
One for exploring more solutions

I'll be back in 40 minutes to see which wins

>>440939
Definitely feeling a mixture of 2 and 4

>>440939
I could agree to 4

>>440944
>>440947
>>440951
So we are agreed on 4? Paying the tribes to attack each other, causing them to have civil wars and other such things? Until they are reduced to a insignificant enough amount, perhaps 5000 at most.


An additional point is that we can send in "peacekeepers" to deal with these rebels fighting on our lands... should they move too close to our towns and cities.

>>440958
Yeah, but let's play the humanitarian card first and give them a generous amount of land to live on by their own means. Then we pay them to kill each other in booze and luxuries under the cover of black market dealers and whalla we accomplish two things at once, no more hostile tribes, and everyone thinks we're in the right.

>>440909
this and 1
genocide schould be a last resort.

no
I veto 4
you savages.

>>440975
You can't Veto, I have majority

>>440975
It is two against one yet I respect you.


Thus I offer an altered deal;


We go with option 1. If things stall or we feel the need to eliminate them, we can initiate 4.

>>440978
I am 2/3rds as big as you and have a strong presence in southern Deutschland.
this isn't a cock measuring contest.
fighting should be a last resort.
be back in 30,

>>440984
this

>>440986
I don't want to start a civil war over this. I don't see the need to keep these people alive, but I could agree on a twenty square mile area for them.

>>440995
see
>>440984

>>440995
Mate we are dealing with multiple tribes, some numbering in the thousands, who want to practice low intensity agriculture and yet you think 20KM will sustain them?

>>441012
Kinda the point. The fact is that the only way to stop these tribes is to give them half the country

which party are you?

So you agree to section of a 20 square mile (51,8 sqkm) patch of land for the tribes? If so, do you wish to spend on modernizing their agricultural practices or just leave them be?

>>441043
Teach those who are willing, also offer jobs to anyone willing and all that shit. Might as well take advantage of the fact their low-tech living will create good warrior cultures...

Perhaps even see if any are willing to leave their tribes for the cities and such.

>>441043
>>441051
This

>>441051
>>441065
The tribes are extended an offer of land where they will live unharmed, and whoever wants can be taught and given a job at the mines, or even move to the cities. A few hundred decide to move, and ca. two thousand from every tribe decide to get jobs. The mining projects now go faster than before, and it is believed that at this pace, by 1940 Eritrea will stop being a shithole.

>>441111
Fuck yes. Germany is best country confirmed.
Progress update on the war+infrastructure project in our sphere+geopolitical situation please.

>>441111
Well that is a good start. Now I have some ideas for additional projects for Africa;

1) Begin developing coastal infrastructure to support our navy and to allow for both a shipbuilding and fishing industry.

2) Begin construction of military research sites, army camps and other such facilities. Taking advantage of the low land costs and large open spaces for testing new technologies.

3) Infrastructural programs like rail, road and such. Also creating freshwater cisterns to help farming get through droughts.

>>441123
This. We can test our A bomb here

>>441132
Cost effective A-bomb's are quite far away.


Cost effective Biological and chemical weapons are easier to achieve. If we develop a chemical weapon to make the Russian breadbaskets barren (until it is neutralised) then we can cause them to starve en masse just before the war.

>>441141
Yeh but that would be all new research. Our a bomb is just about a year away

>>441144
That assumes ideal circumstances. Even then, we need to begin producing them in large enough quantities to effect the war with Russia in some way besides morale or removing the occasional section of fortification or city.


Meanwhile with my chemical weapon, we can deploy it covertly through rivers to destroy their agriculture, leading to them falling apart.

>>441152
this
Starve Russia out

>>441152
I agree with Chemical weapons, but we are years away with them. No prior research has been done.
And I realize dropping a bombs on Russia wouldn't even make them flinch. I am making them for Europe.

>>441152
>seriously considering making a chemical weapon to destroy the soviets
>doesn't seem to realize what that means
>inb4 it's Chernobyl across the entire Soviet Union

No thank you.

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>>441119
The infrastructure project is about 70%done, and should be completed by the end of the year.
You're currently slightly friendly with the Allies despite their worries about your expansion, The Soviets hate your guts while the Japanese and Americans don't care as long as you don´t threaten them.
Your sphere is the dark grey countries on the map.
>>441123
You begin improving infrastructure in Eritrea, putting half a billion reichsmarks towards army and naval facilities, rails and roads, as well as "testing sites" for the military.

>>441162
Most of Europe is on our side. The rest, ignoring a few minor eastern European nations, are neutral.


As to those sorts of chemical weapons being far off. We can achieve similar effects with biological attacks, you get a sample of the black plague equivalent for wheat and we can fuck the bastards over.

>>441162
>years away
Ahahahahahahaahahahhahaahahhahahahaha ...
aaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhhhh
Chemical and biological warfare has existed for 1000 years.
Just salt the fields or my personal favorite, nerve gas?

>>441144
>Our a bomb is just about a year away

A-bombs are at least four years away, you´re just getting into nuclear fission.

>>441168
We should begin building American relations much more, or get thr brits to attack them
Expose war plan red anyone?

>>441168
Attempt to extend the infrastructure project into Ethiopia and invite them into our sphere.

>>441179
If you are talking about Nerve gas, I am all aboard. I thought you were talking about weaponized flu viruses and and advanced pesticides.
>>441196
I agree. It would be fucking awesome.
>>441189
Oh. I thought you said 1937. Anyway, how is our Economy?

>>441205

Russia:
We need to kill their crops and starve them from the inside.
Maybe get the Finns to begin invading Russian Fennoscandia?
Mericka:
We try to send in agents to infiltrate the US files and find war plan red.
We anonymously sell it to the baguettes and then the froggies will tell yhe brits. the Brits attack America, they take Canada, we call out the brits for hostility, invade them and France through Switzerland and Belgium, test the A bomb on Paris or Liverpool, win the war, free their colonies, and do what they did to us and rape them for a bit and become a great empire again.

>>441198
The Ethiopians accept your request to build a bunch of roads on their land for free. Ethiopia is now in your sphere.
>>441205
Your economy is steadily growing, with GNP growth reaching 4% this year.

>>441239
Maybe the Brits will attack America, but we will need to throw more money at our spy Agency.
>>441246
Hey our spies that are in the Midwest, what are they doing?

>>441246
That's the golden number for growth. Eggcelent.

However in the interest of economics I got a couple of questions.

1)what is our current ecconomic model? From my point of view it's pretty expansionist considering the massive spending so it's probably a redundant question but if I can get some other specifics that would be nice
2) are there any markets in the private sector that are exploding at a very fast rate? And what can we do to control it to prevent a crash?

>>441253
putting $ into the National intelligence agencyis worth it. Maybe retrain some troops form our German Republic Corps?

>>441253
>Hey our spies that are in the Midwest, what are they doing?
Spying, mostly, as well as encouraging locals in taking pride in their German heritage. Surprisingly, not much of note happens in the Midwest.
>>441267
The current economic model is laissez-faire capitalism combined with a fairly developed welfare state. Germany uses a fiat currency and sells bonds to finance deficit spending.
The private sector has just been pulled out of a crash by the military-industrial complex, who is only exploding literally.

>>441341
what leads do we have on War plan Red?

>>441341
Also what exactly is our deficit? I'd imagine it's really high by now.

>>441349
The GNP of Germany is currently 120 billion reichsmarks. The revenues for the German state total 31 bilion marks, while gov't expenditures are currently 35 billion marks. Government debt is currently 38,4 billion marks with 4% interest.
>>441349
According to your spies, war plan Red is a hypothetical war plan developed by the US, focusing on defending America from the UK should it cone to war. It details an invasion of Canada and the Bahamas to prevent the invasion of the mainland, and undefined operations to secure the Caribbean if the UK does not want peace after that.

I'm going to call it quits here.

>>441431
Mkay, see ya later op.

>>441431
Bye OP
Secretly tell the Brits about WPR, ant say the US may be mobilizing, but do our best to hide the fact that these messages are coming from us. Do not give where the US is mobilizing though.

>>441431
We should start paying off our debts while our economy is strong.

>>441551
After the infrastructure project is done we will have tons of money at our disposal, unfortunately many Germans will also lose their jobs. Laws regarding foreign exchange programs and perhaps some subsidies here and there in the private sector can nullify the effect.

>>441593
Not to mention the relocation program, willing workers are moved to Africa to work in new industry. Bringing the region into the modern world!

>>441635
It's like what China is doing to Africa right now. Except we want a lot of Germans in Africa.

>>441640
So exactly like what china would do in Africa, assuming they could remove the Africans?

>>441643
Well they use the Africans as very cheap labor, but that is kinda the opposite problem for us. We need manufacturing so there could be a manifest destiny in our territories.

>>441659
Eh, I just wanted to get more industry for our empire.

>>441665
Of course, but that requires manpower, and thankfully we will have a lot of that.

>>441679
To quote one of the people working on hearts of Iron four during a stream;

"If you need man power, invade Africa. It's very useful for that."

>>441686
I always wish I could have gotten the hang of that game

>>441698
The new one is far easier to play, admittedly it is far "simpler" than the 3rd. Still looks like a good laugh.

>>441722
HoI4 is pretty much EU4 for the 20th century
>>441539
You anonymously tip the British about war plan red. The British don´t seem to care that much.

>>443203
Hey op. Let's bring a swift end to the Spanish civil war. Also specific update on how our airforce is being used there.
Additionally attempt to extend Portugal into our infrastructure project and sphere, say that we don't hold their decision to not allow our troops into their border against them.

>>443217
>Let's bring a swift end to the Spanish civil war.
How do you propose to do that?
>specific update on how our airforce is being used there.
It's mostly being used to bomb enemy fortifications and soldiers, occasionally attacking supply lines where there are any..

>>443232
Considering that the nationalists probably don't have a navy anymore due to our u-boat intervention, it's safe to say that we can port strike with our naval bombers, Bombard coastal defenses with our other ships and land special forces all along the coast of Gibraltar and that southern area. Or am I incorrect?

>>443241
Additionally the area still held by the nationalists on the Iberian peninsula is mostly lowlands with minimal altitude differentiation in the geography, making our tanks far more viable in an all out attack.

>>443241
Yes, you can land an attack from the coast and into Iberia. A tank offensive is also possible.

>>443262
Lets do tanks

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>>443286
You do tanks. It works.

>>443262
Or we can do both?
Nah I got it, so the tanks do the dirty work, the infantry mops up, the navy comes in, loads up the lads, and overnight they are blitzing Morocco.

>>443294
I think we should capture the nationalists capital while having our armoured units attempt to encircle it.

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>>443295
>>443302
You capture the Nationalist capital of Seville, and deploy some o' the lads across the straits of Gibraltar to near Tangiers.

>>443317
Kick them out of Spain

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>>443327
Well, you did it. You've freed Spain from the disgusting fascists and can send the lads back home to get some well deserved rest while the Spaniards mop up their colonies. Or can you?

>>443340
I Hope so. Lets send our boys home and let the Spaniards finish up. Did we ever send Operation Red to the british?

>>443340
Pull out half of our divisions, while using the other half to help mop up the stragglers. Approach the Republican government for a formal alliance and offer to repair their damaged industry and infrastructure.

>>443350
In return we get some lucrative trade deals

>>443350
Yup. Is the Portuguese deny the offer though?

>>443348
You did, but the British don't seem all that worried. Or maybe they just plan to appease the Yanks with Ontario, who knows.
>>443350
Five divisions, including the armoured and artillery division, are sent home, while five infantry divisions stay to mop up Morocco.
>>443353
The Portuguese claim they can take care of their country themselves, they wus romanz and don´t need the help of barbarians to build roads.

>>443380
Well damn. Operation Commonwealth is a failure

>>443380
Well fuck those stupid Portuguese then, they can starve and shit in their own shitty little country.

Eeeem. The hell do we do now?

>>443401
Dunno, invade Lithuania or something

>>443405
Huh. Do we have any surplus American uniforms hanging about?

>>443405
Can we skip ahead in time a little bit? I don't think we should expand right now, and instead just continue research and repair.

>>443414
This sounds like a good option. Going to war isn't really necessary.

>>443408
Only one, and it's too large for any of your soldiers to wear properly, so it´s been sitting in the cupboard for a few years now.
>>443414
Sure. Shall we say six, eight months?.

>>443455
Sounds good.

>>443455
Six sounds fine.

>>443466
>>443483
Right then, it's now April of 1938. The Spanish civil war has ended, and Spain has restored order to all of its colonies. Japan prepares to take the fortress city of Wuhan, and the Soviet Great purge is winding down at last. The Focke-Wulf Condor and Junkers Ju 87 have become available, and the Panzerkampfwagen tank is entering testing phase.
What do you do now?

>>443560
Replace our older planes with the newer ones, see how far they are with helicopters, and lets go stir up some trouble. Anybody have ideas where?

>>443569
Well, I can think of a few places we could mess around in;


1) Colonial conquest of the nation of Siam, grants us a supply of rubber assuming we are successful and a naval base in the east. May piss the Japs off since they covet everything to the east of India.

2) Sphere expansion to Finland, opening another border with the Russians, strengthening our alliance and discouraging the Russians from a conquest of the region.

3) Conquer Iraq, get a supply of Oil under our direct control. Grants port in region.

B) Assist Iran in the conquest of Iraq / Afghanistan. Strengthens ally, removes potential Russian expansions.

>>443587
Well we will aim for Siam in the future, but I think oil is extremely important. Lets do a joint invasion of Iraq. We can see if Iran is up to it. We can also see if Finland wants some German bases for defence

>>443610
Okay, so an invasion of Iraq, offering assistance in the "Maginot line part 2; electric boogaloo" project and plan for Siam.

>>443628
Sounds like a plan

>>443610
>>443587
Sorry I'm late lads had to help my dad set up his DVD player.

Anyway, so you want to invade Iraq, and have Iran join. Where will you be invading from and with how many divisions?

>>443810
If we invade from the Iranian border we can quickly push to their capital.

Alternately we could try a sea-landing or even getting the brits to allow us to move out from their lands.

>>443825
Well we could sea land while our armor pushes from the border.

>>443825
Well, you have forty divisions to deploy, four of which re armoured, twelve of which are motorized, three of which are cavalry, and one paratrooper.
Which ones do you deploy?

>>443873
Lets have the 6 motorized on the border, as well as the armor, and ten divisions of Infantry ready to beach land

>>443873
Have we ever deployed paratroopers before? If not, now would be the perfect time to field-test them!

>>443893
In our invasion of Hungary. It was great for getting behind enemy fortifications

>>443895
Then we should absolutely make use of them here. If we can disrupt things behind Iraqi lines, then we win the war much faster.

>>443898
We can have our beach landing where present day Kuwait is, then pushing from below and to the east, we can hopefully win it fairly easily. We can drop our paratroopers when we encounter a fortification.

>>443887
>>443898
Right then, you send some lads onto the boats, with the armored and motorized divisions landing in the ports of Persia while the infantry is put into waiting in Somalia and Eritrea.
>>443914
Present-day Kuwait is a British protectorate, and putting a 170.000 soldiers there might miff the British a bit.

>>443950
Ah fuck. Send a telegram asking for permission to put troops there for just a few days.

>>443950
Hold the fuck up. Did we even ask them to join our sphere yet? The hell are you idiots doing?

>>443962
>idiots
Who the fuck are you to get off calling us that? We are gonna have Iran hold most of the land anyway. I know it is unfeasible to hold a country as large as Iraq.

>>443961
You ask the British to allow ten infantry divisions to stay in Kuwait for a few days. The British reply simply asks: "Wot the 'ell you going to do with a hundred thousand man in Kuwait?"

>>443997
Huh. Didn't think of that. Well to appease the gentleman up here,>>443962
Ask Iraq if they want to join the league of super friends

>>443966
All I'm saying is that we could just get them to join our ring of alliances instead of breeding hatred amongst the people and causing our soldiers to die in addition to repair costs of power lines and shit.

War is fucking retarted when you can just solve all of your goals and problems with diplomacy.

That's why I'm calling you an idiot, or maybe I'm just not paying enough attention.

>>444038
The Iraqis are okay with allying with you, as long as you promise to allow free trade between your nations.

>>444059
Yep, extend the infrastructure project to get the people running water and electricity, allow for jobs and all that jazz.

Especially considering they will be in our sphere free trade between us is kind of generous in comparison to just destroying them.

>>444088
As long as jobs don't get outsourced

>>444095
Nah the infrastructure project works with us at the helm supporting our own workers while volenteers from other countries get paid by their respective organizations and such.

The way our sphere works doesn't allow for outsourcing of jobs really. mostly nationalized and decentralized.

>>444088
You decide to extend the infrastructure project to Iraq, which will cost 1.5 billion reichsmarks.
>>444095
With China being mostly occupied, that won't be a problem.

Wait we're invading Iraq? I thought we were against starting WWII.

>>444136
Not anymore. Now we are getting their sweet black juice.

>>444136
Crisis averted.

Right so let's invite Scandinavia, the Balkan states and the fins into the alliance/project deal.

>>444150
What project?

>>444150
Yeah, let's create a super alliance between Europe. Afterward, Polen zeit!

>>444162
The infrastructure mate, running water and electricity for erybody.

>>444167
Prioritize the Finns. The sooner a war with Russia, the sooner we bring democracy to all of Europe.

>>444128
Wait if ww2 never happened, is America's Economy still shit?

>>444192
Yeah, recovering but shit I imagine.

>>444192
Ja
We should provoke the British into starting a war against the US and help them.

>>444201
Damn. There must be something we can do. We all know war is a great economy starter. Especially since it's separated by two oceans.
>>444206
That could be our next big goal.

>>444210
Yes it should be anonymously though. We have a vague idea of war plan red and if we anonymously tell the Brits then nuke them once they attack America.

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>>444150
>>444163
>>444184
You invite the nations of Europe into an alliance with Germany. Finland and Latvia agree due to fear of Soviet agression, and Lihuania and Denmark are just glad you´re not claiming their land. Also, in blue-grey are the members of the "Invest, don't invade in Eastern Poland" pact.
I've got to get up early in the morning, so that's it for today.

>>444218
Well we will have to fabricate something. We told them already and they didn't care. Maybe forge some really foolproof documents

>>444226
Bye
Let's offer Estonia into this defense pact as well.
On a side note, pay some money and buy Memel.

>>444232
Yeah, but it has to be in bullshit places so America can dominate.

Well, I'm all caught up, It appears I tried joining this quest like 3 times, but kept getting put off by things like the civ style and other posters.

Will there still be elections? What is the point? It seems regardless of who wins, putting in the effort to "win" doesn't matter, since now Hitler is dead, and we have a kingdom..... which should have seen the political parties abolished to some degree.

>>444226
Bye habbe butiful time.

Did we invite all the Scandinavians? Did they Turn down the offer? Will Estonia join? Will Europe stop being a bitch and join our coalition? All that and next time on German deiplomacy!

>>444256
There are elections every 4 years I think, and yes, parties do still matter. But the kingdom is only called that because the Kaiser is here and it makes some citizens feel better

>>444256
Take GLCN party. He quit thread 3
>>444259
Reichzeit is a better name f.am

>>444279
Did he quit?

>>444279
Really? I thought he just went anon. But still, Seems like its kinda a waste of time to do these elections.

>>444261
So why are you pro Spanish commie, and anti chinese?

>>444366
The Chinese really fucked us over, and we needed an ally on the other side of the continent. I guess we just chose one randomly.

>>444373
When we rip Japan a new one and release China, we will defiantly be taking Hong Kong for ourselves and making China part of our sphere.

>>444426
Yeah. We are gonna need it's mineral deposits. We could drop the A bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki

>>444373
but you guys supplied the guys they were fighting? Could have tried to fix the relationship with some words and freebies.

>>444226
Fortify the frontiers along the Soviet Union

>>444293
>just went
Maybe I am wrong but I haven't seen his name at all since thread three. Also elections are useful to judge how much power you have.
I.e: KN has 50%,I have 35% everyone else has 15%
Peeps need to start taking abandoned parties.
>>444426
Why don't we have Siam as an ally in Asia.

>>445579
Pretty sure we just did that? If we didn't then yeah why not.
Oh! The Philippines! But the us has them by the balls don't they?

>>445582
>>445579
I believe the official plan was a conquest of Siam, after Iraq. Then some anons disagreed and we shelved the plans, before just allying the Iraqis.

>>445682
Well alright then we can just use diplomacy.

Problem solved.

>>445682
Siam might not want to ally with us
>>445707

>>445708
Which is part of the reason I wanted to conquer them in the first place. Along with the prestige of colonial war, the training for our troops and also the rubber.

>>445714
why do we need to take over Siam? if anything, we should take over the Dutch or Swiss or Czechs.

>>445727
Rubber

>>445727
The Swiss would be a costly war for little gain, the Czechs are currently on the defence and expect an attack. The Dutch meanwhile are allies of our allies I am certain.


Another reason we wanted to take Siam was to gain a naval base in the region to use for attack into Japan, china or the eastern Russian flank.

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>>445727
We don't need to nor should we take over the Dutch or Swiss. Czechs will come eventually. Last thread, I posted this map as our intended borders, with Black being current borders and Grey being intended future borders. The rest would be in our sphere of influence, either as puppets or allies. Notably, France and Russia would be broken up so they can't post a threat to us in the future.

Colony-wise, I think we are fine with what we currently have (Libya and Italian East Africa). We could later expand it to include French possessions once we have dealt with the Soviets.

As for the topic of Siam, I think its too far away for us to thoroughly exploit it (we lost all of our colonial ports in Versailles), so we would have to get some bases along the way to Indochina (maybe in India or the Pacific) before we go after to Siam. Not to mention, we really shouldn't be expanding right now, since we don't want to build up a reputation as an aggressor. We should appear like the good guys.

>>445751
Again, that was part of the reason for the conquest of Iraq, it secured more oil and provided us with a good stepping off point to attack Siam. Instead we would now need / want to use the Iranian /Iraqi bases.

>>445759
Siam is still far away from Iran.

>>445759
Iraq is under the British sphere of influence, and we are allies with the British.

>>445762
It is far closer than our alternate ports in Africa.

>>445763
Not in this reality it ain't. Iraq is part of the "fuck the ruskies" alliance with us. We are investing heavily in their nation's infrastructure so I doubt they are feeling too loyal to the Brits.

>>445579
So its like weighted voting? If A bigger party/player doesn't want something to happen he can override everyone else?

>>445751
So if the Czech republic is going to be part of Deutschland, why has nobody taken action?

I'm back, by the way.

>>445828
It's probably not. We could ask our allies I guess if they want to help invade. Or we could ask if they want to be in the Alliance

>>445828
Cause they are being dicks about it and war is meh considering they are expecting hostilities. They will probably have the initial advantage.

Right so imma lay out three good options to consider.
1: colonial intervention for Siam.
2: blitzkreig the chekslovaks for being cunts
3: totally modernize and revamp the army instead of directly going for 1 or 2

>>445851
We have got a bunch of ideas for army projects like the APC, the division gun, the machine-gun or the scout car.


The problem is that without a combat test they have limited capabilities and will certainly have flaws.

>>445858
That and none of the other allied countries seem to want to put in the work for them

>>445863
That isn't true. The JAR is used by us, the Iranians, the Greeks and the rest of our close power block.

>>445873
Sure, but you have to admit that we did most of the work. Our scientists are just too far ahead

>>445876
We can section off areas in Lybia and other remote/desolate testing camps for extensive testing of our prototypes.

>>445890
Libya, Finland, Iran, maybe a small one in the alps. Different conditions to test these weapons and uncover their flaws faster.

>>445843
The Czechoslovaks do not wish to join your alliance, preferring to stay neutral.

>>445890
We could use the deserts and the alps. Should we invade the Czechs?

>>445909

How far does the autobahn extend till? Does it enter poland?

>>445961
No, but it is all over eastern Europe

>>445967

We should offer german expertise once more for expanding the autobahn into poland. The Polish authorities can have final say on the placement of the route though we can advise them on it. On the surface it would be to expand economic cooperation and investment, less visibly, it would allow for rapid deployment of allied forces into polish locations to defend against russia.

>>445983
Sure. We need more construction or our bubble is gonna burst

>>446002
We will lead the world into its worst recession ever.

>>446008
I'd rather avoid that, so we either need to finally get into a war with Russia, or keep building shit

>>446024
We are milking the manufacturing market until it dries up.
Though we do have to realize the path we are going down takes us to irl America economy-wise.

>>446087
So long as we can sustain the industry and don't send it all over seas, that won't happen.

>>446095
As long as we keep China busy and our trade balance fine, we should be good.

>>446107
>>446095
Nah nah nah nah nah
It's an inevitability that our manufacturing economy will change to a service one, it happens with technological and overall wealth accumulation.
Which is exactly what happened to America after ww2, they had a massive boom and then a service economy took over practically overnight. Because of the depression they were left with shitloads of national debt and no way to feasibly pay it off without destroying the country, and it's just gotten worse.

We need to take our manufacturing and run with it and go as far as we can take it, then go into a major recession to pay off debt immediately after so that it doesn't accumulate. This is so that we can have a modern day America but German and without disgusting national debt.

>>446126
The Industrial service was in America for a hilariously long amount of time because it was the only country that was capable of producing. Of course this won't happen in our timeline, so we should focus on shrinking the budget and balancing it.

>>446126
>>446131
Yeah, we should focus on just getting rid of national debt.

>>446131
To do that we need to complete the infrastructure projects asap, however it is incredibly beneficial.

The best alternative course to this and be in the black as soon as possible is to hand off the torch to another major power and complete our work for us. But that might have some consequences, and the project won't be done as fast since it won't be a state funded venture with German payed workers. It would stay a volunteer effort.

>>446142
So lets finish up fixing our territory and transition to Industry. It is gonna be bad until we kick into overdrive to defeat Russia.

>>445828
What is the world's view of the Czechs?

>>445751
no dutch or swiss
But they are ethnic Germans!
We should anschluss them ASAP
More clay for the empire and the closer we are to uniting ethnic Germans!

>>446274
The Allied nations are on cordial terms with the Czechs, while you and your sphere are cold towards them, the feeling being mutual. The Soviet Union likes them a bit, and the Czechs have been moving towards increased trad with the SU in recent years.

>>446358
Well then maybe we can invade them. Lets look at our Spy agency. Are they capable of doing anything along the lines of forging official documents from the czech and getting away with it?

>>446362
Forging official documents is easy. Making sure they're believable is a bit trickier. It's about a 50/50 chance that you can successfully make documents that look like they were issued by the Czech government.

>>446388
Well this could either be a big success or a big blunder. I am ready to go ahead and forge documents that say the Czechs are ready to completely distance themselves from the Allies and directly ally with Russia

>>446398
Alright, I'll wait to see if there are any other players here and if they approve, you can roll a d100 to see if you succeed

>>446418
That's what I am waiting on. I don't want to fuck up and have the entire country hate me

>>446477
I disagree with this course of action. The repercussions are too large if we fail.

>>446532
But the rewards are plenty if we do succeed. The question is if we should take the chance

>>446418
I approve
ARFP here
Maybe partition them with Hungary taking Ex Trianon areas?

>>446537
The repercussions of failure are too great. It could see our allies lose trust in us, the USSR declare war and / or us losing the peoples support.

2/3 approve
let's do this

2/3 approve
let's do this
Our allies would get Slovakia
>>446549

>>446537
>>446546
>>446549
So the plan is to forge official documents (concerning what?), vthen invade Czechoslovakia, giving Slovakia and Transcarpathian Ruthenia to Hungary and taking the Czech lands and Bratislava to ourselves, if I understand correctly.

>>446602
Thats what me and ARFP agreed to. The documents will basically say that they plan on cutting all ties to the Allies and go full Commie. As well as help with the Invasion of Europe as a launching ground.

>>446626
Very well, then, roll 1d100 and if it's above 50, you succeed.

>>446667
For fucks sake why does my trip keep disappearing

Rolled 93 (1d100)

>>446667
Oh shit. Well, time to either guide my country to greatness or ruin.

>>446673
Not that bad

>>446673
>93
Noice

You manage to forge a Czechoslovak memo, apparently directly from the Czech President to the army, disclosing unmistakably that the Czechs plan to ally the Soviet Union and help them in case of an invasion into Europe. The Czechs call it a forgery and try to prove it, but are damned as they find out that unbeknownst to them, a German agent has stored a duplicate of the forgery in the archives in Prague. A crisis is brewing and action must be taken quickly. What do you do?

I'm going to have to call it here, and I'm going to b away this Saturday. I'll see you Sunday.

>>446767
Oh boy. Well it worked. I guess Monday we will discuss with the rest of the Anons what we are to do

>>446767
have a wonderful saturday OP
<3
As for the Czechs invade Bratislava and southern Bohemia

As for generic ideas who wants to found the HRE?

>>447369
Back from vacation and now I can focus on this.
Anyone here?

>>451433
Here

>>451495
Okay now we have to wait for OP
In the mean time what do we do after the Czechs? I'm against colonizing Siam, and I was thinking we invade Switzerland or the Dutch and begin unification of the Germanic people

>>451520
Colonizing Siam will be a challenge. I don't know how we will be able to justify invading those countries. Lets handle the Czechs first, and then turn our sights to Russia. That will unlock our pathway to Siam and all of Asia.

>>451541
WE could always do it peacefully with referendums.

TO OP:
I wish to begin spreading my word to Switzerland, particularly in Bern and Zurich and around Liechtenstein

>>451558
I doubt Switzerland will join. Once we defeat the power in the east, we will be almost unstoppable.

>>451603
Not if we spread our influence to their people. The government says no because they have their own parties and stuff. If we go and spread our party influence, we can push out the other parties for our own.

>>451618
We can spread our 'Germanic" culture in Switzerland but it will take a while

>>451632
They already have our culture, just different politics.

>>451644
Kinda. They wouldn't even let us build the Autobahn.

>>451646
for political reasons. If we m0ake their people open to us, we will take them out of neutrality.

Is anyone here?